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On September 22 2015 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FF let's see who do you not call mafia on this phase.
everyone is mafia
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On September 22 2015 05:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 05:51 Rels wrote:On September 22 2015 05:50 Fecalfeast wrote:On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:It comes down to this here basically: On September 21 2015 23:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so you seem to be really sure that Damdred and James are mafia.
Somehow you insist we lynch Damdred over James, when there is absolutely no reason to.
Then you don't know who is the third mafia and apparently you don't even care.
Why? Why this all? First: Rels thinks it is obvious Damdred and James are mafia. Fair enough. For some reason he insists we lynch Damdred over James. Why? It doesn't make any sense as he is sure both of them are mafia.Second: Then we talk about tictock. Rels has a townread on him. but he cannot lay out a single reason why he has a town read on him.He has meta points, he doesn't clarify them. He has also bad points that actually make more sense from scum than town perspective (see the middle of the quote below. On September 21 2015 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2015 22:35 Rels wrote:
Yeah he is scummy as town, I thought he was mafia the last game too for a while. But he's playing exactly the same so what does he do as mafia? Why would he questioned confirmed town (Vivax) and universally townread (you) if he was mafia ? i think the better question is why would he do that as town? i don't think questioning me is alignment indicative, questioning Vivax definitely is. And he tryhard the whole D1, he was even the first to do so. I agree he needs to continue doing that starting now though Again, what does he do as mafia then? Being dumb or scummy is NOT a towntell.. Here is what he actually does say about him.On September 21 2015 22:40 Rels wrote:
Maybe I'm biaised because I think I can read him. I'll let him defend against what you said, and I'll also see if he starts being more active On September 21 2015 22:58 Rels wrote:On September 21 2015 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ehh so you basically think there is only 2 mafia in this game?
rofl-. I'm not sure about the third I'll lynch TT because of POE over you or LS, but I read him as town On September 21 2015 23:07 Rels wrote:
now I'm not going to do a town case on TT unless he is getting lynched and I still think he is town None of this makes any sense because if Rels thinks TT is town, Rels should be arguing why he is town.It helps the town in PoE. I think it is more likely he doesn't actually have any reasons to think TT is town, because the reasons he has laid out are not really reasons... Third thing is this: On September 21 2015 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2015 22:40 Rels wrote:
Maybe I'm biaised because I think I can read him. I'll let him defend against what you said, and I'll also see if he starts being more active Fine, then tell me why FF is mafia because that's basically what you are suggesting here and i don't see it. His D1 is fucking strong. On September 21 2015 22:47 Rels wrote:On September 21 2015 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2015 22:40 Rels wrote:
Maybe I'm biaised because I think I can read him. I'll let him defend against what you said, and I'll also see if he starts being more active Fine, then tell me why FF is mafia because that's basically what you are suggesting here and i don't see it. His D1 is fucking strong. I filter dove him yesterday looking for scumtells and I didn't find much. That's why I'm sheeping HTS' meta read of him being town He can't lay out reasons why either of FF/TT is mafia. It's not uncommon in itself, but he doesn't even care. He doesn't read HtS scum either. Like in his world (not counting my next point), FF basically HAS to be mafia if TT is not, but instead of figuring it out by himself he trusts HtS' meta read on him........ It doesn't make any sense because again, if TT is strong town!!! he is DEFINITELY missing something and then it is most likely HtS meta read. But instead he doesn't care. At all. Last thing; Okay the point before could be understood if this; On September 21 2015 22:58 Rels wrote:On September 21 2015 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ehh so you basically think there is only 2 mafia in this game?
rofl-. I'm not sure about the third I'll lynch TT because of POE over you or LS, but I read him as town .... was true. That would mean Rels reads me as scum (as i think the quote says, because it makes no sense to not list Vivax here otherwise). But apparently he doesnt. Apparently he doesn't read BM mafia either, because if he did he would be arguing he is the third mafia. Apparently he doesn't read HtS mafia either, which is quite clear from his posts. So, given all this, he basically has to think FF is the last mafia given that he has a strong townread on TT (over BM and HtS both). There is literally no other possible answer. But again, his answer is; I filter dove him yesterday looking for scumtells and I didn't find much. That's why I'm sheeping HTS' meta read of him being town So they guy basically has 100% PoE'd FF as last mafia but calls him town because of someone else's meta read. no no no. It is almost 100% certain Rels fucked up at some point when talking with me (i think it's the point where he called TT strongest town after me and LS - and couldn't just explain properly anymore). The fact is he is contradicting himself, and for the person who says he is being scumhunting all game long it doesn't make any fucking sense that NOW, suddenly NOW he really doesn't care about scumhunting anymore. (yes he really doesn't, i think i have pointed that out clearly). + the fact i brought up on D1; It is a minor point but i think it still stands. Here; On September 20 2015 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is nothing fucking weird in that. Two arguably the most experienced players in this game have a really strong scumread on LS and basically no read on Dandel and you decide to lynch Dandel.
That is weird, not my concerns on you. I actaully think Rels is trying to push a mislynch on Damdred who is inactive for whatever reason. He knows LS is gonna claim on D2 because i WILL be pushing him for his play and LS doesn't listen / think properly. His play doesn't make any sense otherwise (another point on my argument on the James/Damdred thing). Rels is scum. Nothing in his play on D2 makes any sense. He has only been interested in people who he should not be interested in (except for BM, but that didn't go anywhere). After that, he just doesn't care about people he should care about (TT/FF). I like this for the record. mm that's true it's a super good case maybe I should think of answering it point by point you should 
You bastard! p:
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On September 22 2015 05:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
vivax on pg85 is nurturing my rayn tinfoil read tbh. HTS i only have 25m do you have any spare?
So what are you trying to say here? I think you might want to completely catch up on the thread before declaring rayn/rels/me scum, if your read is based on that.
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On September 22 2015 05:53 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FF let's see who do you not call mafia on this phase. everyone is mafia
no, everything is bomb
+ Show Spoiler +
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Haha.
Furstly LS being under pressure to claim is probably nai in this situation in this game. As everyone is a role and mafia gets more information as time goes along.
It also does not speak well of ls in this situation because even if he doesn't get lynched and he's telling the truth it gives mafia 2 kills.
Today I don't think his play has been the opposite of his normal games. A lot of his normal reads evolve over time and he branches out to reading other people and they just aren't happening here.
LS would probably be the best lynch target tbh.
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On September 22 2015 05:56 Damdred wrote:
Haha.
Furstly LS being under pressure to claim is probably nai in this situation in this game. As everyone is a role and mafia gets more information as time goes along.
It also does not speak well of ls in this situation because even if he doesn't get lynched and he's telling the truth it gives mafia 2 kills.
Today I don't think his play has been the opposite of his normal games. A lot of his normal reads evolve over time and he branches out to reading other people and they just aren't happening here.
LS would probably be the best lynch target tbh.
what about his yelling at me?
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On September 22 2015 05:55 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 05:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
vivax on pg85 is nurturing my rayn tinfoil read tbh. HTS i only have 25m do you have any spare? So what are you trying to say here? I think you might want to completely catch up on the thread before declaring rayn/rels/me scum, if your read is based on that.
no I'm going to base all my reads on 10 pages ago you can't tell me what to do
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On September 22 2015 05:56 Damdred wrote:
Haha.
Furstly LS being under pressure to claim is probably nai in this situation in this game. As everyone is a role and mafia gets more information as time goes along.
It also does not speak well of ls in this situation because even if he doesn't get lynched and he's telling the truth it gives mafia 2 kills.
Today I don't think his play has been the opposite of his normal games. A lot of his normal reads evolve over time and he branches out to reading other people and they just aren't happening here.
LS would probably be the best lynch target tbh.
So LS is fakeclaiming
Do you really believe he can lie about that AND the fact geript visited him ?
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On September 22 2015 05:58 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 05:55 Half the Sky wrote:On September 22 2015 05:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
vivax on pg85 is nurturing my rayn tinfoil read tbh. HTS i only have 25m do you have any spare? So what are you trying to say here? I think you might want to completely catch up on the thread before declaring rayn/rels/me scum, if your read is based on that. no I'm going to base all my reads on 10 pages ago you can't tell me what to do
was Damdred scummy 10 pages ago ?
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Honestly in this setup since mafia killed geript it would be logical in a way to make that up if you are claiming pope. So its not that big a leap.
Tge yelling idk what to think, angry ls is town ls usually. So it does give me pause.
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On September 22 2015 04:01 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:It comes down to this here basically: On September 21 2015 23:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so you seem to be really sure that Damdred and James are mafia.
Somehow you insist we lynch Damdred over James, when there is absolutely no reason to.
Then you don't know who is the third mafia and apparently you don't even care.
Why? Why this all? First: Rels thinks it is obvious Damdred and James are mafia. Fair enough. For some reason he insists we lynch Damdred over James. Why? It doesn't make any sense as he is sure both of them are mafia. I'm way more sure Damdred is mafia than fidei. I was scumreading Damdred D1, and that's why I pushed the plan to check him. Starting with this post I'm sure Damdred is mafia: Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 17:07 Rels wrote:On September 21 2015 17:06 Rels wrote:On September 21 2015 07:04 Damdred wrote:
Hi friend sim back just now will be catching up here and posting some as I read WTF This is Damdred's only post in D2 OK guys That is multiple times Damdred has posted like that through the game I know I'm part of the "if no claim Damdred is green" crew, but Damdred has to be mafia here I suppose this also means Shining was the inquisitor He multiple times said he would do stuff and ended up not doing it without excuses. I saw he did it again after I left. Damdred is mafia and if it's suspicious you cannot see it. I had a townread on fidei D1. I started having a scumread after his "inquisitor should claim" and his inactivity D2 as showed here: Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 20:52 Rels wrote:On September 20 2015 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 19 2015 18:59 Rels wrote:On September 19 2015 18:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck reals are you in fact mafia?
your eod is sososo bad... WTF ?? Why do you townread James for saying LS makes sense when nothing LS says basically makes sense? - Ask LS questions: - He answers to something unrelated to the question - Ask LS who is mafia: - He says Damdred - Ask LS who is other mafia: - He says shining might have been -Ask LS why Damdred is his strongest scumread if there is no red check on him (which would prolly make him town): - he says shining might have been the cop.. Vivax don't be stupid here now. There is absolutely no way i am mafia and kill geript when he basically has my back 100% in this game. Especially when he is scumreading LS. LS is scum, that is the easiest explanation because he is not even trying to scumhunt, and geript got shot. That is a fact. Damdred might be mafia assuming people in this game do not fucking listen to me and do shit that they are not supposed to do. This is a claim game, when is time to claim. This is also a game where people are supposed to do what they are told to, because of no flips, and mafia getting the night kill roles. The only role that can claim is dead, noone is gonna save themselves by claiming. Mafia knows geript's role and If someone claims it is not to be trusted. Noone should counter-claim if the lynch target is claiming. Period. James is probably scum aswell, i am unsure about the third. I kinda think Damdred is not mafia. BM is probably town, Vivax is town, Rels is... meh.. i don't fucking know, if he had not 14 pages of filter i would probably lynch him for the reasons i have laid out. Tictock is another meh... he says stuff that doesn't make any sense. Tictock what happens if we lynch LS here and he is town? Your dumb post about the numbers makes no fucking sense at all. I think fidei can be mafia actually, if Damdred is not. I liked his first post but he has really been inactive since. And I didn't like his "inquisitor shouldn't claim" post. Now I'm not convinced he's mafia, and in opposition to Damdred, his excuses are valid as they have mostly been validated by HTS. Your case on him isn't very strong I feel. Him not being sure about HTS for example doesn't mean anything. So I would lynch him, but not over Damdred. Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Second: Then we talk about tictock. Rels has a townread on him. but he cannot lay out a single reason why he has a town read on him.He has meta points, he doesn't clarify them. He has also bad points that actually make more sense from scum than town perspective (see the middle of the quote below. On September 21 2015 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2015 22:35 Rels wrote:
Yeah he is scummy as town, I thought he was mafia the last game too for a while. But he's playing exactly the same so what does he do as mafia? Why would he questioned confirmed town (Vivax) and universally townread (you) if he was mafia ? i think the better question is why would he do that as town? i don't think questioning me is alignment indicative, questioning Vivax definitely is. And he tryhard the whole D1, he was even the first to do so. I agree he needs to continue doing that starting now though Again, what does he do as mafia then? Being dumb or scummy is NOT a towntell.. Here is what he actually does say about him.On September 21 2015 22:40 Rels wrote:
Maybe I'm biaised because I think I can read him. I'll let him defend against what you said, and I'll also see if he starts being more active On September 21 2015 22:58 Rels wrote:On September 21 2015 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ehh so you basically think there is only 2 mafia in this game?
rofl-. I'm not sure about the third I'll lynch TT because of POE over you or LS, but I read him as town On September 21 2015 23:07 Rels wrote:
now I'm not going to do a town case on TT unless he is getting lynched and I still think he is town None of this makes any sense because if Rels thinks TT is town, Rels should be arguing why he is town.It helps the town in PoE. I think it is more likely he doesn't actually have any reasons to think TT is town, because the reasons he has laid out are not really reasons... Before today I didn't have to do a case to defend TT. And BTW I think he's town but I'm interested about what he has to say about your points, I think he didn't address them. During the weekend I had a lot of time, that I used to read filters before being stopped by that stupid BM fight. I stand by all of what you quoted, if TT is town he fooled me until now. But I'll do a TT case when I have time (IE not tonight, unless the lynch is set before deadline). BTW that's why I wanted and I still want to have him checked if fidei is dead tonight: Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 17:04 Rels wrote:
Now we need to talk about the check target
Obviously if fidei isn't lynched or shot, we need to check him. So, if fidei is alive N2; check him IMO.
Now he will probably get shot, so we need to decide a check target.
I think TT is the best check because:
- I think he's town
- some people thinks he's mafia, so he's an easy mislynch
- there is a good chance he's alive until the end of the game Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Third thing is this: On September 21 2015 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2015 22:40 Rels wrote:
Maybe I'm biaised because I think I can read him. I'll let him defend against what you said, and I'll also see if he starts being more active Fine, then tell me why FF is mafia because that's basically what you are suggesting here and i don't see it. His D1 is fucking strong. On September 21 2015 22:47 Rels wrote:On September 21 2015 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2015 22:40 Rels wrote:
Maybe I'm biaised because I think I can read him. I'll let him defend against what you said, and I'll also see if he starts being more active Fine, then tell me why FF is mafia because that's basically what you are suggesting here and i don't see it. His D1 is fucking strong. I filter dove him yesterday looking for scumtells and I didn't find much. That's why I'm sheeping HTS' meta read of him being town He can't lay out reasons why either of FF/TT is mafia. It's not uncommon in itself, but he doesn't even care. He doesn't read HtS scum either. Like in his world (not counting my next point), FF basically HAS to be mafia if TT is not, but instead of figuring it out by himself he trusts HtS' meta read on him........ It doesn't make any sense because again, if TT is strong town!!! he is DEFINITELY missing something and then it is most likely HtS meta read. But instead he doesn't care. At all. You say here I'm not fucking scumhunting. Guess what I was doing while you were AFK during the weekend; I filter dove to check if LS was really scum and who were the other mafias. In spoiler 'cause it's long: + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2015 18:40 Rels wrote:Now that plan of directing the cop check is really bad for the mafia and really good for town. So everybody that participated in it will have town points: Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:14 Rels wrote:
OK so we have:
Damdred check: rayn Rels TT Hts fidei ff shining
Fidei check: geript Maybe the last voters get less points, as at this point it was pretty clear Damdred would be checked though. But they still participated on something that is bad for mafia, which would be unnatural if they were mafia. On September 19 2015 18:58 Rels wrote:
So geript was killed. His reads were:
Town
rayn
Damdred
BM
Vivax
Maybe town
Shining
Maybe scum
fidei
FF
HTS ? (not sure)
Scum
LS
Disclaimer: NK WIFOM following.
Two people are the most incriminated by this kill.
LS: no explanation needed.
HTS: geript's kill was a surprise to me. I thought the kill would be rayn, I, or maybe Damdred. Now we could all have been protected by angels (assuming Shining was town), so the shot was a medic dodge. I thought that if the mafia wanted to medic dodge, they would have shot HST or soup Vivax. Now Vivax is confirmed town, but I find it weird HTS wasn't the shot since the mafia team medic dodged. On September 20 2015 17:28 Rels wrote:
hello everyone (=
so every single person is OK lynching LS. That means this lynch is mafia approved: either a mislynch or a bus
I have a few hours before I need to do other stuff, so I will try to filter dive everyone. If I don't have the time I won't do the people I'm pretty sure are town On September 20 2015 18:45 Rels wrote:I started my filter diving with LS since he's the focus of today. Town points:1Outside of his play, everybody is OK lynching him now. This indicates either a mislynch or a bus. So the question is: was LS' situation bad enough to warrant a bus ? With geript being killed and rayn hard pushing his lynch, maybe. 2Seemed genuinely angry when being attacked D1. Defended himself without reading the thread, which is town indicative; scum wouldn't do a mistake like that I think. Posts like these are both genuine and indicative of not reading the thread properly: + Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread. On September 15 2015 21:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Also people that tend push are generally are mafia when I'm given my history. I never even played with rels before that could the most true thing of the rule of LS Town which if a new player who never played with me before tries to push me chances are they are mafia looking for a easy lynch. I had this happen time and time again so(shrugs). On September 15 2015 21:43 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 21:40 Rels wrote:On September 15 2015 21:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Also people that tend push are generally are mafia when I'm given my history. I never even played with rels before that could the most true thing of the rule of LS Town which if a new player who never played with me before tries to push me chances are they are mafia looking for a easy lynch. I had this happen time and time again so(shrugs). There are multiple people pushing you. Why are you attacking me, when I'm voting The Shining ? Remeber when I said I need to read the thread more carefully? Ya that exactly what happen I saw that you had me in a list but you were voting Shining. Damdred the last he was mafia he called me out when I was town very early in Gaiden 1 so I still having a little pause for now on him. On September 15 2015 22:02 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW that was rude to say GTFO regardless of your alignment people might actually rage quit regardless of their alignment if you say mean stuff towards them. In spoiler rayn' and geript' post against LS, which I will merge with my own points below. + Show Spoiler +On September 17 2015 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LS i believe is mafia for several reasons.
His opening. Geript is definiteky right about his meta. Also see the next point. I talked about this earlier.
LS has really hard time lying as mafia. Here he does things that are scummy when not explained. When people ask him to ezplain, instead of laying out his thought process he takes a re-route and talks about something distantly related to the matter (see for example the GB stuff - that jhas nothing to do with what geript said because gb is NEVER a town leader even when he is "leading"). Also see the part where i ask his grail vote.
Sorry for bad explanation. I am on phone and posting on phone is shit. On September 17 2015 04:53 geript wrote:
LS. I think the meta thing re: questioning your martry claim without having a clear thought/reason/explanation/idea why not still feels very accurate. Another thing that in looking at his filter that really bugs me is the "people that tend to push me genearlly are mafia." I don't think that's actually true. In my experience, usually the first few pushes on him tend to come from town; but I don't think him being wrong on it is damning in and of itself as it could just be a difference in perception. The grail vote is a little odd but eh. A specific thing that bugs me is I'm not seeing him related games to current status. IE he's bringing up games, but it's not really as a marker point relating to the current state. The closest thing is when we were on a scum team in JOAT, but that's not really relational to the game states etc but commentary on how he could see something. Not sure I am explaining that one well. My initial point, which is still not properly explained (because it cannot be explained): rayn explained why martyr not claiming is bad. LS was against this martyr plan because he didn't read the OP. Whatever, this is not scum indicative. But instead explaining why rayn's plan was bad, he asked him a question rayn had answered 3 minutes ago and left the thread. + Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 16:56 Rels wrote:Fucking seriously. rayn posts this explaining why martyr not claiming is a bad idea: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now the martyr role, if used and not claimed does the following:
1) You die, noone in the town knows who mafia killed.
2) noone in the town knows your role, mafia does
3) noone in the town knows the role mafia tried to kill, mafia does.
It gives mafia an uncontested soup kill (their actual night kill) AND it gives them a possible fakeclaim (martyr) later on. Then LS post this 3 minutes later: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? @LS did you read rayn post (the first quote in this post) before asking a question ? LS has trouble explaining himself, and always answers something that doesn't answer the question. It could be indicative of scum refusing to commit an his answers. I'm talking about posts like that: + Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 23:53 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:On September 15 2015 23:44 LightningStrike wrote:On September 15 2015 23:42 Rels wrote:On September 15 2015 23:40 LightningStrike wrote:
3. You think I capable of some of my posts as scum this game? What posts are you talking about I asking HTS a question since she knows me well enough. I going to reread the thread more carefully now. I'm not asking why you said that. You said: "I wouldn't make some of my posts if I was scum". So I ask: what posts are you talking about ? I was asking her if I am capable posting some of the posts as mafia. I meant to add if so which posts and I can explain my thought my process on the post. On September 17 2015 05:39 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 05:27 LightningStrike wrote:On September 17 2015 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 05:23 LightningStrike wrote:
I here and got out of class early and I been trying to answer people's concerns straight up to the best of my ability rayn. Plus I take you over Vivax because I can't remember much of Vivax other than he's the Martyr because no one cced him. We don't want him to have it because if he dies when he got it than we lose it for the rest of the game I think if I read the op correctly. okay. if you are sure i am town and you are right why would i not die? Angel save assuming Vivax dies from the soup. Also I just checked the op about the timing of the lynch and it's 72 hour days so tomorrow is the deadline so that is a relief for me so I can be here tomorrow at deadline okay. why do you assume we lynch town D1? I didn't assume Damdred is town is Angel saves work if the people don't get soup killed? On September 18 2015 06:55 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:47 Half the Sky wrote:
I don't fully understand your second sentence.
Look at his filter - what do you make of his responses to Rels and myself
Or what do you think of Rels' case? When I said look at his filter I meant about the timing of his posts about me and correlation of me being a hot topic at that time. About his responses to Rels and you: It's okay nothing to spectacular about it. Also I think Vivax might be our best grail vote since hs is the unCCed Martyr and that role seems way antitown I doubt mafia would waste their KP to soup kill a Martyr. ##HolyGrailUnvote
##HolyGrailVote:Vivax geript's meta read, which I suppose is true, and is definitely sincere since geript was killed. + Show Spoiler +On September 17 2015 04:53 geript wrote:
LS. I think the meta thing re: questioning your martry claim without having a clear thought/reason/explanation/idea why not still feels very accurate. Another thing that in looking at his filter that really bugs me is the "people that tend to push me genearlly are mafia." I don't think that's actually true. In my experience, usually the first few pushes on him tend to come from town; but I don't think him being wrong on it is damning in and of itself as it could just be a difference in perception. The grail vote is a little odd but eh. A specific thing that bugs me is I'm not seeing him related games to current status. IE he's bringing up games, but it's not really as a marker point relating to the current state. The closest thing is when we were on a scum team in JOAT, but that's not really relational to the game states etc but commentary on how he could see something. Not sure I am explaining that one well. Maybe scum. Voting him atm, but the unanimity of his lynch bothers me. On September 20 2015 19:40 Rels wrote:Now about BM. Town points1Tone. BM seem to be able to post freely, and this is town indicative. Mafia pointsIn spoiler Vivax' case against BM. I will take one point from his case. + Show Spoiler +On September 17 2015 22:52 Vivax wrote:Rapid fire posting doesn't make BM town. I don't find his reasoning for talking about my reads over rayn's satisfying. Point being he shouldn't have any reason to compare his reads to mine when I'm confirmed town and turn a blind eye towards rayn like he did. While I'm writing this I'm also suspicious of rayn for the way the two of them haven't been particularly hands-on towards each other. I'm going to pick apart a few of his posts: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred
He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT
TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.
I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does "Buddying" is something you do when you try to pocket a townie, scum don't need to buddy each other. BM should know that. This post has pretty much contrary opinion to what me and Rayn said about Rels and TT and ends with him wanting to "consolidate" on LS for unmentioned reasons. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:40 Bill Murray wrote:On September 16 2015 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i seriously think BM is town now.
BM i don't think your read on Rels is accurate, i think he is quite obviously town.
I will re-evaluate TT tomorrow, but i still think he is town.
I think FF has a decent chance of being mafia. well even if i think they might be town i want to break up their buddy buddy circlejerk Here rayn talked against his reads and notice how BM's reads shift towards thinking that Rels and TT might be town. Rayn agrees with FF being mafia. Also interesting wording implying that rayn and me aren't part of that buddy buddy circlejerk when BM is townreading all of us. Kinda minor point but seems like reasoning he just slapped in there. No mention of LS he was willing to consolidate on (2 minutes later he softens that scumread). I have no idea why rayn TRs him. Here BM reaches the point of zero scumreads: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:
LS has a unique read there
FF im gonna drop my scumread on you because i like your explanation - i didnt realize he ninja'd you there... but i remember reading the lol into lol followed by the influx of marijuana induced loling So he rereads to find something: And finds something that suddenly makes Rels town... When it has been posted SIX HOURS before he scumread him for the buddy buddy and the list post. Proof: + Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
OK let's bring back this little thing.
The useful list of useless people
The Shining
HTS
LS
fidei
Dandel Ion
If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard His post at page 15: On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:I don't understand you. You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan. And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? Then you gtfo. I think you're mafia. On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred
He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT
TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.
I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15 So yeah, BM is bullshittin Vivax's good point in the case: when first posting and catching up with the thread, we had 4 people more or less forming an initial town circle: TT, rayn, Vivax and I. BM tried to break the circle by mentioning: - TT and I were buddying (which, if we're both mafia, is not even the right term) - saying Vivax's reads were wrong (about TT and I town) - not mentioning that rayn's reads were wrong, even though they matched Vivax' Then, as soon as rayn told him I probably was not mafia, he dropped his scumreads. So what I'm seeing here is BM buddying rayn by: 1. saying Vivax' reads are wrong instead of rayn's, even though they are the same 2. dropping his reads as soon as rayn talks to him 2BM didn't participate in the check plan (rayn's plan about town deciding the check target). This plan is bad for mafia, so him not participating or mentionning the plan is scum indicative. + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2015 18:40 Rels wrote:Now that plan of directing the cop check is really bad for the mafia and really good for town. So everybody that participated in it will have town points: Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:14 Rels wrote:
OK so we have:
Damdred check: rayn Rels TT Hts fidei ff shining
Fidei check: geript Maybe the last voters get less points, as at this point it was pretty clear Damdred would be checked though. But they still participated on something that is bad for mafia, which would be unnatural if they were mafia. BM's first post in D2 was him scumreading and voting Damdred. What's bad about it is that the town sentiment about Damdred D1 was that we would be waiting for the check to happen to decide on him. I don't understand him immediately jumping on Damdred, before everybody had a chance to post. Now he has switched to LS, being the last person to sheep the town sentiment. Maybe this is indicative of a scum bus if LS is mafia. + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads
His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on
I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred On September 20 2015 12:39 Bill Murray wrote:
I changed my vote to LS Maybe scum. The only thing keeping me scumreading him 100% is his tone. So: I want someone who has played with him before to tell me if he is capable of having this "I don't care here is my thoughts" tone if he is mafia. On September 20 2015 20:47 Rels wrote:
I read FF's filter and I have no idea how to read the guy. Here is why he could be mafia:
- sheeping the vote sentiment: being one of the last voters on both the Dandel train and the Damdred check vote, now sheeping a vote on LS.
- not doing much scumhunting, just poping in the thread from time to time to discuss stuff
So nothing strong.
Now I'm really waiting HTS and Vivax to tell me what they think of him 'cause they apparently can read the guy easily.
@FF: did Vivax or HTS correctly read you as mafia before ? If yes it means their townread on you can be believed. Then I was stopped by BM attacking me hard. And I have a fucking scum team of 3 people: Damdred, fidei, BM, in order of likeliness. Damdred is 99% mafia. Fidei has legit excuses, but uses them to do nothing this day and wants the inquisitor to not claim a red check. BM's first batch of posts D2 are nonsense if he's town unless he's one certain role. So yeah, I think FF AND TT are town over those three people. Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Last thing; Okay the point before could be understood if this; On September 21 2015 22:58 Rels wrote:On September 21 2015 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ehh so you basically think there is only 2 mafia in this game?
rofl-. I'm not sure about the third I'll lynch TT because of POE over you or LS, but I read him as town .... was true. That would mean Rels reads me as scum (as i think the quote says, because it makes no sense to not list Vivax here otherwise). But apparently he doesnt. Apparently he doesn't read BM mafia either, because if he did he would be arguing he is the third mafia. Apparently he doesn't read HtS mafia either, which is quite clear from his posts. So, given all this, he basically has to think FF is the last mafia given that he has a strong townread on TT (over BM and HtS both). There is literally no other possible answer. But again, his answer is; I filter dove him yesterday looking for scumtells and I didn't find much. That's why I'm sheeping HTS' meta read of him being town So they guy basically has 100% PoE'd FF as last mafia but calls him town because of someone else's meta read. no no no. It is almost 100% certain Rels fucked up at some point when talking with me (i think it's the point where he called TT strongest town after me and LS - and couldn't just explain properly anymore). The fact is he is contradicting himself, and for the person who says he is being scumhunting all game long it doesn't make any fucking sense that NOW, suddenly NOW he really doesn't care about scumhunting anymore. (yes he really doesn't, i think i have pointed that out clearly). Please show me where I fucked up at some point since you are 100% certain. You admited since you misunderstood my post, so I assume this is retracted ? Unless you found another contradiction. Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:+ the fact i brought up on D1; It is a minor point but i think it still stands. Here; On September 20 2015 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is nothing fucking weird in that. Two arguably the most experienced players in this game have a really strong scumread on LS and basically no read on Dandel and you decide to lynch Dandel.
That is weird, not my concerns on you. I actaully think Rels is trying to push a mislynch on Damdred who is inactive for whatever reason. He knows LS is gonna claim on D2 because i WILL be pushing him for his play and LS doesn't listen / think properly. His play doesn't make any sense otherwise (another point on my argument on the James/Damdred thing). Rels is scum. Nothing in his play on D2 makes any sense. He has only been interested in people who he should not be interested in (except for BM, but that didn't go anywhere). After that, he just doesn't care about people he should care about (TT/FF). You again say your argument that it's weird I voted Dandel over LS N1. But you're not showing me HOW my Dandel push is scummy. Especially now that I think LS is town, you cannot say LS was a better lynch atm. Now that he has claimed, obviously he was the better lynch, but I don't think he's mafia.
On September 22 2015 04:14 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the reason BM is 100% confimred the next day? Alright rayn. BM's first batch of posts was about Damdred being mafia, before we could see if Damdred would play today. He voted him, pushed him, and started making association (yeah finally found that fucking word) cases based on Damdred being mafia. BUT Damdred was 99% being checked tonight. EVEN IF BM didn't believe Damdred was town, he should have waited until we had more infos about the inquisitor; so at least D3. At the very least, he should have waited to see if the inquisitor would claim. So BM knows Damdred is scum. He is either his teammate or the inquisitor. Talking about these posts: Show nested quote +On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads
His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on
I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred Show nested quote +On September 19 2015 12:58 Bill Murray wrote:
Oh yeah, by the way, I missed the EoD by 13 minutes. Came online at 6:13. was very disappointed, until I realized Dandy was probably Cavalier and sniped Shining-scum
but yeah im pretty sure scumteam was/is one of Shining/Damdred... and if Damdred is scum, pretty sure he is with FF.
If it's not FF it's Rels. Depends how Damdred plays. Might be neither, but there are some tells in his filter that point me in those directions.
Pretty sure Damdred is an A-B-C player, which would be Damdred/FF scumteam
I am playing based upon "worst case scenario" ... with there being 7 town left. If it's 8-2 ... then maybe damdred is just playing poorly this game... anyways i dont see him being scum with shining ... im really just not seeing a way i was right about shining's flip... idk im kind of tired and rambling but im keeping my vote for now unless rayn wants to talk me off of it
I don't want to kill rels
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On September 22 2015 06:02 Damdred wrote:
Honestly in this setup since mafia killed geript it would be logical in a way to make that up if you are claiming pope. So its not that big a leap.
Tge yelling idk what to think, angry ls is town ls usually. So it does give me pause.
You were in Himalayas with LS. He did the exact same thing there, lost his head to the point where he almost got in trouble for behaviour.
Look at Tictock's post on LS's behaviour (about geript/wraith/etc). Do you think Tictock is misleading here or in any part of that post? Or the way he's describing why he doesn't believe the claim?
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Also back to LS, what do you make of the fact that LS isn't providing much in the way of reads? (or had not)
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On September 22 2015 06:04 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 04:01 Rels wrote:On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:It comes down to this here basically: On September 21 2015 23:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so you seem to be really sure that Damdred and James are mafia.
Somehow you insist we lynch Damdred over James, when there is absolutely no reason to.
Then you don't know who is the third mafia and apparently you don't even care.
Why? Why this all? First: Rels thinks it is obvious Damdred and James are mafia. Fair enough. For some reason he insists we lynch Damdred over James. Why? It doesn't make any sense as he is sure both of them are mafia. I'm way more sure Damdred is mafia than fidei. I was scumreading Damdred D1, and that's why I pushed the plan to check him. Starting with this post I'm sure Damdred is mafia: On September 21 2015 17:07 Rels wrote:On September 21 2015 17:06 Rels wrote:On September 21 2015 07:04 Damdred wrote:
Hi friend sim back just now will be catching up here and posting some as I read WTF This is Damdred's only post in D2 OK guys That is multiple times Damdred has posted like that through the game I know I'm part of the "if no claim Damdred is green" crew, but Damdred has to be mafia here I suppose this also means Shining was the inquisitor He multiple times said he would do stuff and ended up not doing it without excuses. I saw he did it again after I left. Damdred is mafia and if it's suspicious you cannot see it. I had a townread on fidei D1. I started having a scumread after his "inquisitor should claim" and his inactivity D2 as showed here: On September 20 2015 20:52 Rels wrote:On September 20 2015 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 19 2015 18:59 Rels wrote:On September 19 2015 18:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck reals are you in fact mafia?
your eod is sososo bad... WTF ?? Why do you townread James for saying LS makes sense when nothing LS says basically makes sense? - Ask LS questions: - He answers to something unrelated to the question - Ask LS who is mafia: - He says Damdred - Ask LS who is other mafia: - He says shining might have been -Ask LS why Damdred is his strongest scumread if there is no red check on him (which would prolly make him town): - he says shining might have been the cop.. Vivax don't be stupid here now. There is absolutely no way i am mafia and kill geript when he basically has my back 100% in this game. Especially when he is scumreading LS. LS is scum, that is the easiest explanation because he is not even trying to scumhunt, and geript got shot. That is a fact. Damdred might be mafia assuming people in this game do not fucking listen to me and do shit that they are not supposed to do. This is a claim game, when is time to claim. This is also a game where people are supposed to do what they are told to, because of no flips, and mafia getting the night kill roles. The only role that can claim is dead, noone is gonna save themselves by claiming. Mafia knows geript's role and If someone claims it is not to be trusted. Noone should counter-claim if the lynch target is claiming. Period. James is probably scum aswell, i am unsure about the third. I kinda think Damdred is not mafia. BM is probably town, Vivax is town, Rels is... meh.. i don't fucking know, if he had not 14 pages of filter i would probably lynch him for the reasons i have laid out. Tictock is another meh... he says stuff that doesn't make any sense. Tictock what happens if we lynch LS here and he is town? Your dumb post about the numbers makes no fucking sense at all. I think fidei can be mafia actually, if Damdred is not. I liked his first post but he has really been inactive since. And I didn't like his "inquisitor shouldn't claim" post. Now I'm not convinced he's mafia, and in opposition to Damdred, his excuses are valid as they have mostly been validated by HTS. Your case on him isn't very strong I feel. Him not being sure about HTS for example doesn't mean anything. So I would lynch him, but not over Damdred. On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Second: Then we talk about tictock. Rels has a townread on him. but he cannot lay out a single reason why he has a town read on him.He has meta points, he doesn't clarify them. He has also bad points that actually make more sense from scum than town perspective (see the middle of the quote below. On September 21 2015 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2015 22:35 Rels wrote:
Yeah he is scummy as town, I thought he was mafia the last game too for a while. But he's playing exactly the same so what does he do as mafia? Why would he questioned confirmed town (Vivax) and universally townread (you) if he was mafia ? i think the better question is why would he do that as town? i don't think questioning me is alignment indicative, questioning Vivax definitely is. And he tryhard the whole D1, he was even the first to do so. I agree he needs to continue doing that starting now though Again, what does he do as mafia then? Being dumb or scummy is NOT a towntell.. Here is what he actually does say about him.On September 21 2015 22:40 Rels wrote:
Maybe I'm biaised because I think I can read him. I'll let him defend against what you said, and I'll also see if he starts being more active On September 21 2015 22:58 Rels wrote:On September 21 2015 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ehh so you basically think there is only 2 mafia in this game?
rofl-. I'm not sure about the third I'll lynch TT because of POE over you or LS, but I read him as town On September 21 2015 23:07 Rels wrote:
now I'm not going to do a town case on TT unless he is getting lynched and I still think he is town None of this makes any sense because if Rels thinks TT is town, Rels should be arguing why he is town.It helps the town in PoE. I think it is more likely he doesn't actually have any reasons to think TT is town, because the reasons he has laid out are not really reasons... Before today I didn't have to do a case to defend TT. And BTW I think he's town but I'm interested about what he has to say about your points, I think he didn't address them. During the weekend I had a lot of time, that I used to read filters before being stopped by that stupid BM fight. I stand by all of what you quoted, if TT is town he fooled me until now. But I'll do a TT case when I have time (IE not tonight, unless the lynch is set before deadline). BTW that's why I wanted and I still want to have him checked if fidei is dead tonight: On September 21 2015 17:04 Rels wrote:
Now we need to talk about the check target
Obviously if fidei isn't lynched or shot, we need to check him. So, if fidei is alive N2; check him IMO.
Now he will probably get shot, so we need to decide a check target.
I think TT is the best check because:
- I think he's town
- some people thinks he's mafia, so he's an easy mislynch
- there is a good chance he's alive until the end of the game On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Third thing is this: On September 21 2015 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2015 22:40 Rels wrote:
Maybe I'm biaised because I think I can read him. I'll let him defend against what you said, and I'll also see if he starts being more active Fine, then tell me why FF is mafia because that's basically what you are suggesting here and i don't see it. His D1 is fucking strong. On September 21 2015 22:47 Rels wrote:On September 21 2015 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2015 22:40 Rels wrote:
Maybe I'm biaised because I think I can read him. I'll let him defend against what you said, and I'll also see if he starts being more active Fine, then tell me why FF is mafia because that's basically what you are suggesting here and i don't see it. His D1 is fucking strong. I filter dove him yesterday looking for scumtells and I didn't find much. That's why I'm sheeping HTS' meta read of him being town He can't lay out reasons why either of FF/TT is mafia. It's not uncommon in itself, but he doesn't even care. He doesn't read HtS scum either. Like in his world (not counting my next point), FF basically HAS to be mafia if TT is not, but instead of figuring it out by himself he trusts HtS' meta read on him........ It doesn't make any sense because again, if TT is strong town!!! he is DEFINITELY missing something and then it is most likely HtS meta read. But instead he doesn't care. At all. You say here I'm not fucking scumhunting. Guess what I was doing while you were AFK during the weekend; I filter dove to check if LS was really scum and who were the other mafias. In spoiler 'cause it's long: + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2015 18:40 Rels wrote:Now that plan of directing the cop check is really bad for the mafia and really good for town. So everybody that participated in it will have town points: Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:14 Rels wrote:
OK so we have:
Damdred check: rayn Rels TT Hts fidei ff shining
Fidei check: geript Maybe the last voters get less points, as at this point it was pretty clear Damdred would be checked though. But they still participated on something that is bad for mafia, which would be unnatural if they were mafia. On September 19 2015 18:58 Rels wrote:
So geript was killed. His reads were:
Town
rayn
Damdred
BM
Vivax
Maybe town
Shining
Maybe scum
fidei
FF
HTS ? (not sure)
Scum
LS
Disclaimer: NK WIFOM following.
Two people are the most incriminated by this kill.
LS: no explanation needed.
HTS: geript's kill was a surprise to me. I thought the kill would be rayn, I, or maybe Damdred. Now we could all have been protected by angels (assuming Shining was town), so the shot was a medic dodge. I thought that if the mafia wanted to medic dodge, they would have shot HST or soup Vivax. Now Vivax is confirmed town, but I find it weird HTS wasn't the shot since the mafia team medic dodged. On September 20 2015 17:28 Rels wrote:
hello everyone (=
so every single person is OK lynching LS. That means this lynch is mafia approved: either a mislynch or a bus
I have a few hours before I need to do other stuff, so I will try to filter dive everyone. If I don't have the time I won't do the people I'm pretty sure are town On September 20 2015 18:45 Rels wrote:I started my filter diving with LS since he's the focus of today. Town points:1Outside of his play, everybody is OK lynching him now. This indicates either a mislynch or a bus. So the question is: was LS' situation bad enough to warrant a bus ? With geript being killed and rayn hard pushing his lynch, maybe. 2Seemed genuinely angry when being attacked D1. Defended himself without reading the thread, which is town indicative; scum wouldn't do a mistake like that I think. Posts like these are both genuine and indicative of not reading the thread properly: + Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread. On September 15 2015 21:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Also people that tend push are generally are mafia when I'm given my history. I never even played with rels before that could the most true thing of the rule of LS Town which if a new player who never played with me before tries to push me chances are they are mafia looking for a easy lynch. I had this happen time and time again so(shrugs). On September 15 2015 21:43 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 21:40 Rels wrote:On September 15 2015 21:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Also people that tend push are generally are mafia when I'm given my history. I never even played with rels before that could the most true thing of the rule of LS Town which if a new player who never played with me before tries to push me chances are they are mafia looking for a easy lynch. I had this happen time and time again so(shrugs). There are multiple people pushing you. Why are you attacking me, when I'm voting The Shining ? Remeber when I said I need to read the thread more carefully? Ya that exactly what happen I saw that you had me in a list but you were voting Shining. Damdred the last he was mafia he called me out when I was town very early in Gaiden 1 so I still having a little pause for now on him. On September 15 2015 22:02 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW that was rude to say GTFO regardless of your alignment people might actually rage quit regardless of their alignment if you say mean stuff towards them. In spoiler rayn' and geript' post against LS, which I will merge with my own points below. + Show Spoiler +On September 17 2015 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LS i believe is mafia for several reasons.
His opening. Geript is definiteky right about his meta. Also see the next point. I talked about this earlier.
LS has really hard time lying as mafia. Here he does things that are scummy when not explained. When people ask him to ezplain, instead of laying out his thought process he takes a re-route and talks about something distantly related to the matter (see for example the GB stuff - that jhas nothing to do with what geript said because gb is NEVER a town leader even when he is "leading"). Also see the part where i ask his grail vote.
Sorry for bad explanation. I am on phone and posting on phone is shit. On September 17 2015 04:53 geript wrote:
LS. I think the meta thing re: questioning your martry claim without having a clear thought/reason/explanation/idea why not still feels very accurate. Another thing that in looking at his filter that really bugs me is the "people that tend to push me genearlly are mafia." I don't think that's actually true. In my experience, usually the first few pushes on him tend to come from town; but I don't think him being wrong on it is damning in and of itself as it could just be a difference in perception. The grail vote is a little odd but eh. A specific thing that bugs me is I'm not seeing him related games to current status. IE he's bringing up games, but it's not really as a marker point relating to the current state. The closest thing is when we were on a scum team in JOAT, but that's not really relational to the game states etc but commentary on how he could see something. Not sure I am explaining that one well. My initial point, which is still not properly explained (because it cannot be explained): rayn explained why martyr not claiming is bad. LS was against this martyr plan because he didn't read the OP. Whatever, this is not scum indicative. But instead explaining why rayn's plan was bad, he asked him a question rayn had answered 3 minutes ago and left the thread. + Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 16:56 Rels wrote:Fucking seriously. rayn posts this explaining why martyr not claiming is a bad idea: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now the martyr role, if used and not claimed does the following:
1) You die, noone in the town knows who mafia killed.
2) noone in the town knows your role, mafia does
3) noone in the town knows the role mafia tried to kill, mafia does.
It gives mafia an uncontested soup kill (their actual night kill) AND it gives them a possible fakeclaim (martyr) later on. Then LS post this 3 minutes later: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? @LS did you read rayn post (the first quote in this post) before asking a question ? LS has trouble explaining himself, and always answers something that doesn't answer the question. It could be indicative of scum refusing to commit an his answers. I'm talking about posts like that: + Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 23:53 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:On September 15 2015 23:44 LightningStrike wrote:On September 15 2015 23:42 Rels wrote:On September 15 2015 23:40 LightningStrike wrote:
3. You think I capable of some of my posts as scum this game? What posts are you talking about I asking HTS a question since she knows me well enough. I going to reread the thread more carefully now. I'm not asking why you said that. You said: "I wouldn't make some of my posts if I was scum". So I ask: what posts are you talking about ? I was asking her if I am capable posting some of the posts as mafia. I meant to add if so which posts and I can explain my thought my process on the post. On September 17 2015 05:39 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 05:27 LightningStrike wrote:On September 17 2015 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 05:23 LightningStrike wrote:
I here and got out of class early and I been trying to answer people's concerns straight up to the best of my ability rayn. Plus I take you over Vivax because I can't remember much of Vivax other than he's the Martyr because no one cced him. We don't want him to have it because if he dies when he got it than we lose it for the rest of the game I think if I read the op correctly. okay. if you are sure i am town and you are right why would i not die? Angel save assuming Vivax dies from the soup. Also I just checked the op about the timing of the lynch and it's 72 hour days so tomorrow is the deadline so that is a relief for me so I can be here tomorrow at deadline okay. why do you assume we lynch town D1? I didn't assume Damdred is town is Angel saves work if the people don't get soup killed? On September 18 2015 06:55 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:47 Half the Sky wrote:
I don't fully understand your second sentence.
Look at his filter - what do you make of his responses to Rels and myself
Or what do you think of Rels' case? When I said look at his filter I meant about the timing of his posts about me and correlation of me being a hot topic at that time. About his responses to Rels and you: It's okay nothing to spectacular about it. Also I think Vivax might be our best grail vote since hs is the unCCed Martyr and that role seems way antitown I doubt mafia would waste their KP to soup kill a Martyr. ##HolyGrailUnvote
##HolyGrailVote:Vivax geript's meta read, which I suppose is true, and is definitely sincere since geript was killed. + Show Spoiler +On September 17 2015 04:53 geript wrote:
LS. I think the meta thing re: questioning your martry claim without having a clear thought/reason/explanation/idea why not still feels very accurate. Another thing that in looking at his filter that really bugs me is the "people that tend to push me genearlly are mafia." I don't think that's actually true. In my experience, usually the first few pushes on him tend to come from town; but I don't think him being wrong on it is damning in and of itself as it could just be a difference in perception. The grail vote is a little odd but eh. A specific thing that bugs me is I'm not seeing him related games to current status. IE he's bringing up games, but it's not really as a marker point relating to the current state. The closest thing is when we were on a scum team in JOAT, but that's not really relational to the game states etc but commentary on how he could see something. Not sure I am explaining that one well. Maybe scum. Voting him atm, but the unanimity of his lynch bothers me. On September 20 2015 19:40 Rels wrote:Now about BM. Town points1Tone. BM seem to be able to post freely, and this is town indicative. Mafia pointsIn spoiler Vivax' case against BM. I will take one point from his case. + Show Spoiler +On September 17 2015 22:52 Vivax wrote:Rapid fire posting doesn't make BM town. I don't find his reasoning for talking about my reads over rayn's satisfying. Point being he shouldn't have any reason to compare his reads to mine when I'm confirmed town and turn a blind eye towards rayn like he did. While I'm writing this I'm also suspicious of rayn for the way the two of them haven't been particularly hands-on towards each other. I'm going to pick apart a few of his posts: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred
He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT
TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.
I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does "Buddying" is something you do when you try to pocket a townie, scum don't need to buddy each other. BM should know that. This post has pretty much contrary opinion to what me and Rayn said about Rels and TT and ends with him wanting to "consolidate" on LS for unmentioned reasons. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:40 Bill Murray wrote:On September 16 2015 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i seriously think BM is town now.
BM i don't think your read on Rels is accurate, i think he is quite obviously town.
I will re-evaluate TT tomorrow, but i still think he is town.
I think FF has a decent chance of being mafia. well even if i think they might be town i want to break up their buddy buddy circlejerk Here rayn talked against his reads and notice how BM's reads shift towards thinking that Rels and TT might be town. Rayn agrees with FF being mafia. Also interesting wording implying that rayn and me aren't part of that buddy buddy circlejerk when BM is townreading all of us. Kinda minor point but seems like reasoning he just slapped in there. No mention of LS he was willing to consolidate on (2 minutes later he softens that scumread). I have no idea why rayn TRs him. Here BM reaches the point of zero scumreads: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:
LS has a unique read there
FF im gonna drop my scumread on you because i like your explanation - i didnt realize he ninja'd you there... but i remember reading the lol into lol followed by the influx of marijuana induced loling So he rereads to find something: And finds something that suddenly makes Rels town... When it has been posted SIX HOURS before he scumread him for the buddy buddy and the list post. Proof: + Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
OK let's bring back this little thing.
The useful list of useless people
The Shining
HTS
LS
fidei
Dandel Ion
If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard His post at page 15: On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:I don't understand you. You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan. And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? Then you gtfo. I think you're mafia. On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred
He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT
TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.
I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15 So yeah, BM is bullshittin Vivax's good point in the case: when first posting and catching up with the thread, we had 4 people more or less forming an initial town circle: TT, rayn, Vivax and I. BM tried to break the circle by mentioning: - TT and I were buddying (which, if we're both mafia, is not even the right term) - saying Vivax's reads were wrong (about TT and I town) - not mentioning that rayn's reads were wrong, even though they matched Vivax' Then, as soon as rayn told him I probably was not mafia, he dropped his scumreads. So what I'm seeing here is BM buddying rayn by: 1. saying Vivax' reads are wrong instead of rayn's, even though they are the same 2. dropping his reads as soon as rayn talks to him 2BM didn't participate in the check plan (rayn's plan about town deciding the check target). This plan is bad for mafia, so him not participating or mentionning the plan is scum indicative. + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2015 18:40 Rels wrote:Now that plan of directing the cop check is really bad for the mafia and really good for town. So everybody that participated in it will have town points: Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:14 Rels wrote:
OK so we have:
Damdred check: rayn Rels TT Hts fidei ff shining
Fidei check: geript Maybe the last voters get less points, as at this point it was pretty clear Damdred would be checked though. But they still participated on something that is bad for mafia, which would be unnatural if they were mafia. BM's first post in D2 was him scumreading and voting Damdred. What's bad about it is that the town sentiment about Damdred D1 was that we would be waiting for the check to happen to decide on him. I don't understand him immediately jumping on Damdred, before everybody had a chance to post. Now he has switched to LS, being the last person to sheep the town sentiment. Maybe this is indicative of a scum bus if LS is mafia. + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads
His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on
I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred On September 20 2015 12:39 Bill Murray wrote:
I changed my vote to LS Maybe scum. The only thing keeping me scumreading him 100% is his tone. So: I want someone who has played with him before to tell me if he is capable of having this "I don't care here is my thoughts" tone if he is mafia. On September 20 2015 20:47 Rels wrote:
I read FF's filter and I have no idea how to read the guy. Here is why he could be mafia:
- sheeping the vote sentiment: being one of the last voters on both the Dandel train and the Damdred check vote, now sheeping a vote on LS.
- not doing much scumhunting, just poping in the thread from time to time to discuss stuff
So nothing strong.
Now I'm really waiting HTS and Vivax to tell me what they think of him 'cause they apparently can read the guy easily.
@FF: did Vivax or HTS correctly read you as mafia before ? If yes it means their townread on you can be believed. Then I was stopped by BM attacking me hard. And I have a fucking scum team of 3 people: Damdred, fidei, BM, in order of likeliness. Damdred is 99% mafia. Fidei has legit excuses, but uses them to do nothing this day and wants the inquisitor to not claim a red check. BM's first batch of posts D2 are nonsense if he's town unless he's one certain role. So yeah, I think FF AND TT are town over those three people. On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Last thing; Okay the point before could be understood if this; On September 21 2015 22:58 Rels wrote:On September 21 2015 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ehh so you basically think there is only 2 mafia in this game?
rofl-. I'm not sure about the third I'll lynch TT because of POE over you or LS, but I read him as town .... was true. That would mean Rels reads me as scum (as i think the quote says, because it makes no sense to not list Vivax here otherwise). But apparently he doesnt. Apparently he doesn't read BM mafia either, because if he did he would be arguing he is the third mafia. Apparently he doesn't read HtS mafia either, which is quite clear from his posts. So, given all this, he basically has to think FF is the last mafia given that he has a strong townread on TT (over BM and HtS both). There is literally no other possible answer. But again, his answer is; I filter dove him yesterday looking for scumtells and I didn't find much. That's why I'm sheeping HTS' meta read of him being town So they guy basically has 100% PoE'd FF as last mafia but calls him town because of someone else's meta read. no no no. It is almost 100% certain Rels fucked up at some point when talking with me (i think it's the point where he called TT strongest town after me and LS - and couldn't just explain properly anymore). The fact is he is contradicting himself, and for the person who says he is being scumhunting all game long it doesn't make any fucking sense that NOW, suddenly NOW he really doesn't care about scumhunting anymore. (yes he really doesn't, i think i have pointed that out clearly). Please show me where I fucked up at some point since you are 100% certain. You admited since you misunderstood my post, so I assume this is retracted ? Unless you found another contradiction. On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:+ the fact i brought up on D1; It is a minor point but i think it still stands. Here; On September 20 2015 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is nothing fucking weird in that. Two arguably the most experienced players in this game have a really strong scumread on LS and basically no read on Dandel and you decide to lynch Dandel.
That is weird, not my concerns on you. I actaully think Rels is trying to push a mislynch on Damdred who is inactive for whatever reason. He knows LS is gonna claim on D2 because i WILL be pushing him for his play and LS doesn't listen / think properly. His play doesn't make any sense otherwise (another point on my argument on the James/Damdred thing). Rels is scum. Nothing in his play on D2 makes any sense. He has only been interested in people who he should not be interested in (except for BM, but that didn't go anywhere). After that, he just doesn't care about people he should care about (TT/FF). You again say your argument that it's weird I voted Dandel over LS N1. But you're not showing me HOW my Dandel push is scummy. Especially now that I think LS is town, you cannot say LS was a better lynch atm. Now that he has claimed, obviously he was the better lynch, but I don't think he's mafia. Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 04:14 Rels wrote:On September 22 2015 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the reason BM is 100% confimred the next day? Alright rayn. BM's first batch of posts was about Damdred being mafia, before we could see if Damdred would play today. He voted him, pushed him, and started making association (yeah finally found that fucking word) cases based on Damdred being mafia. BUT Damdred was 99% being checked tonight. EVEN IF BM didn't believe Damdred was town, he should have waited until we had more infos about the inquisitor; so at least D3. At the very least, he should have waited to see if the inquisitor would claim. So BM knows Damdred is scum. He is either his teammate or the inquisitor. Talking about these posts: On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads
His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on
I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred On September 19 2015 12:58 Bill Murray wrote:
Oh yeah, by the way, I missed the EoD by 13 minutes. Came online at 6:13. was very disappointed, until I realized Dandy was probably Cavalier and sniped Shining-scum
but yeah im pretty sure scumteam was/is one of Shining/Damdred... and if Damdred is scum, pretty sure he is with FF.
If it's not FF it's Rels. Depends how Damdred plays. Might be neither, but there are some tells in his filter that point me in those directions.
Pretty sure Damdred is an A-B-C player, which would be Damdred/FF scumteam
I am playing based upon "worst case scenario" ... with there being 7 town left. If it's 8-2 ... then maybe damdred is just playing poorly this game... anyways i dont see him being scum with shining ... im really just not seeing a way i was right about shining's flip... idk im kind of tired and rambling but im keeping my vote for now unless rayn wants to talk me off of it I don't want to kill rels
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On September 22 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FF get your ass here and change your vote.
I'll sheep you anywhere friend
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Damdred, ignore post 1893. Just caught the answer to that.
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Honestly the people that I haven't said who to shoot are town in case you guys are confused on that mostly for meta on the majority of the people. Rels I never played with him but he seemed pretty genuine about his stuff but his TT read might needs to fixed.
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AFK for 10. No, husband isn't pulling me away......yet.
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This is the first time I read some dude on TL presenting the excuse for not playing "Nope sorry I said I would play but then I decided to fuck for like 17 hours"
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Tbh ls has expressed to me recently he's looking at ways to improve both his metas because of proddings by players. So there are some things like the yelling etc that could be produced under scum maybe.
I've looked at tt post a couple times and I like the post tbh it is pretty well reasoned and leads to a good conclusion.
And I don't think.much on ls not having reads to the extent I'm used to. He's just focusing rather than evolving.
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