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you wanna know the difference between me and u+tt? i had the conclusion before i made the post
i made the post so you all would come to the conclusion i already came to
imade the post to explain the conclusion
not to get any credit or anything
i want to try to help town
if you are town u need to post less u have coming up on a 15 page filter bro
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On September 20 2015 22:16 Bill Murray wrote:
LOL you're going to say you invented vote count analysis now cool story bro
the TT part is just a guess, we'll afk him
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On September 20 2015 22:17 Rels wrote:LOL ARE YOU SERIOUS YOU QUOTED IT Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 19:40 Rels wrote:Now about BM. Town points1Tone. BM seem to be able to post freely, and this is town indicative. Mafia pointsIn spoiler Vivax' case against BM. I will take one point from his case. + Show Spoiler +On September 17 2015 22:52 Vivax wrote:Rapid fire posting doesn't make BM town. I don't find his reasoning for talking about my reads over rayn's satisfying. Point being he shouldn't have any reason to compare his reads to mine when I'm confirmed town and turn a blind eye towards rayn like he did. While I'm writing this I'm also suspicious of rayn for the way the two of them haven't been particularly hands-on towards each other. I'm going to pick apart a few of his posts: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred
He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT
TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.
I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does "Buddying" is something you do when you try to pocket a townie, scum don't need to buddy each other. BM should know that. This post has pretty much contrary opinion to what me and Rayn said about Rels and TT and ends with him wanting to "consolidate" on LS for unmentioned reasons. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:40 Bill Murray wrote:On September 16 2015 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i seriously think BM is town now.
BM i don't think your read on Rels is accurate, i think he is quite obviously town.
I will re-evaluate TT tomorrow, but i still think he is town.
I think FF has a decent chance of being mafia. well even if i think they might be town i want to break up their buddy buddy circlejerk Here rayn talked against his reads and notice how BM's reads shift towards thinking that Rels and TT might be town. Rayn agrees with FF being mafia. Also interesting wording implying that rayn and me aren't part of that buddy buddy circlejerk when BM is townreading all of us. Kinda minor point but seems like reasoning he just slapped in there. No mention of LS he was willing to consolidate on (2 minutes later he softens that scumread). I have no idea why rayn TRs him. Here BM reaches the point of zero scumreads: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:
LS has a unique read there
FF im gonna drop my scumread on you because i like your explanation - i didnt realize he ninja'd you there... but i remember reading the lol into lol followed by the influx of marijuana induced loling So he rereads to find something: And finds something that suddenly makes Rels town... When it has been posted SIX HOURS before he scumread him for the buddy buddy and the list post. Proof: + Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
OK let's bring back this little thing.
The useful list of useless people
The Shining
HTS
LS
fidei
Dandel Ion
If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard His post at page 15: On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:I don't understand you. You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan. And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? Then you gtfo. I think you're mafia. On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred
He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT
TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.
I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15 So yeah, BM is bullshittin Vivax's good point in the case: when first posting and catching up with the thread, we had 4 people more or less forming an initial town circle: TT, rayn, Vivax and I. BM tried to break the circle by mentioning: - TT and I were buddying (which, if we're both mafia, is not even the right term) - saying Vivax's reads were wrong (about TT and I town) - not mentioning that rayn's reads were wrong, even though they matched Vivax' Then, as soon as rayn told him I probably was not mafia, he dropped his scumreads. So what I'm seeing here is BM buddying rayn by: 1. saying Vivax' reads are wrong instead of rayn's, even though they are the same 2. dropping his reads as soon as rayn talks to him 2BM didn't participate in the check plan (rayn's plan about town deciding the check target). This plan is bad for mafia, so him not participating or mentionning the plan is scum indicative. + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2015 18:40 Rels wrote:Now that plan of directing the cop check is really bad for the mafia and really good for town. So everybody that participated in it will have town points: Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:14 Rels wrote:
OK so we have:
Damdred check: rayn Rels TT Hts fidei ff shining
Fidei check: geript Maybe the last voters get less points, as at this point it was pretty clear Damdred would be checked though. But they still participated on something that is bad for mafia, which would be unnatural if they were mafia. BM's first post in D2 was him scumreading and voting Damdred. What's bad about it is that the town sentiment about Damdred D1 was that we would be waiting for the check to happen to decide on him. I don't understand him immediately jumping on Damdred, before everybody had a chance to post. Now he has switched to LS, being the last person to sheep the town sentiment. Maybe this is indicative of a scum bus if LS is mafia. + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads
His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on
I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred On September 20 2015 12:39 Bill Murray wrote:
I changed my vote to LS Maybe scum. The only thing keeping me scumreading him 100% is his tone. So: I want someone who has played with him before to tell me if he is capable of having this "I don't care here is my thoughts" tone if he is mafia.
you didnt even call me scum for this post and most of this is misinformation
you have been soft pushing me the entire game and the minute someone else called me scum you jumped at the opportunity to fake a case on me
i have already refuted this point by point
the case i made on you you have not refuted because you are not realizing what i am saying
you say you would have to make information disinformation but the point isnt that you would make it disinformation but that you are stealing it in the first place to make your filter look good
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rayn. HTS clearly stated LS is incapable of lying. And I think you did too, that was part of your argument about why LS was scum, about how he was not really answering questions so he didn't have to lie
now if that is false, HTS is mafia. But someone would have said it already if it was false
if that is true, LS is telling the truth
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the only reason that i even realized you did it IS because the analysis i did you made into disinformation
i then said you had a plan with the cop check rayn corrected me and said it was his plan
i then did research and noticed a 3rd time you have done this exact same thing and stolen from people
if i delved deeper into your 15 page filter (i am honestly too lazy and already believe you are scum) i could probably find more/further examples/analysis of you doing the exact same thing
i also have found cases of you playing with scum motivation towards bw
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I have you on IIoA, scumandeering, wifom, omgus, parroting.... lying, mudslinging, misinformation
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Two things.
On September 20 2015 22:20 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 22:17 Rels wrote:On September 20 2015 22:14 Bill Murray wrote:
Prove u made a case on me LOL ARE YOU SERIOUS YOU QUOTED IT On September 20 2015 19:40 Rels wrote:Now about BM. Town points1Tone. BM seem to be able to post freely, and this is town indicative. Mafia pointsIn spoiler Vivax' case against BM. I will take one point from his case. + Show Spoiler +On September 17 2015 22:52 Vivax wrote:Rapid fire posting doesn't make BM town. I don't find his reasoning for talking about my reads over rayn's satisfying. Point being he shouldn't have any reason to compare his reads to mine when I'm confirmed town and turn a blind eye towards rayn like he did. While I'm writing this I'm also suspicious of rayn for the way the two of them haven't been particularly hands-on towards each other. I'm going to pick apart a few of his posts: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred
He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT
TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.
I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does "Buddying" is something you do when you try to pocket a townie, scum don't need to buddy each other. BM should know that. This post has pretty much contrary opinion to what me and Rayn said about Rels and TT and ends with him wanting to "consolidate" on LS for unmentioned reasons. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:40 Bill Murray wrote:On September 16 2015 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i seriously think BM is town now.
BM i don't think your read on Rels is accurate, i think he is quite obviously town.
I will re-evaluate TT tomorrow, but i still think he is town.
I think FF has a decent chance of being mafia. well even if i think they might be town i want to break up their buddy buddy circlejerk Here rayn talked against his reads and notice how BM's reads shift towards thinking that Rels and TT might be town. Rayn agrees with FF being mafia. Also interesting wording implying that rayn and me aren't part of that buddy buddy circlejerk when BM is townreading all of us. Kinda minor point but seems like reasoning he just slapped in there. No mention of LS he was willing to consolidate on (2 minutes later he softens that scumread). I have no idea why rayn TRs him. Here BM reaches the point of zero scumreads: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:
LS has a unique read there
FF im gonna drop my scumread on you because i like your explanation - i didnt realize he ninja'd you there... but i remember reading the lol into lol followed by the influx of marijuana induced loling So he rereads to find something: And finds something that suddenly makes Rels town... When it has been posted SIX HOURS before he scumread him for the buddy buddy and the list post. Proof: + Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
OK let's bring back this little thing.
The useful list of useless people
The Shining
HTS
LS
fidei
Dandel Ion
If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard His post at page 15: On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:I don't understand you. You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan. And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? Then you gtfo. I think you're mafia. On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred
He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT
TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.
I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15 So yeah, BM is bullshittin Vivax's good point in the case: when first posting and catching up with the thread, we had 4 people more or less forming an initial town circle: TT, rayn, Vivax and I. BM tried to break the circle by mentioning: - TT and I were buddying (which, if we're both mafia, is not even the right term) - saying Vivax's reads were wrong (about TT and I town) - not mentioning that rayn's reads were wrong, even though they matched Vivax' Then, as soon as rayn told him I probably was not mafia, he dropped his scumreads. So what I'm seeing here is BM buddying rayn by: 1. saying Vivax' reads are wrong instead of rayn's, even though they are the same 2. dropping his reads as soon as rayn talks to him 2BM didn't participate in the check plan (rayn's plan about town deciding the check target). This plan is bad for mafia, so him not participating or mentionning the plan is scum indicative. + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2015 18:40 Rels wrote:Now that plan of directing the cop check is really bad for the mafia and really good for town. So everybody that participated in it will have town points: Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:14 Rels wrote:
OK so we have:
Damdred check: rayn Rels TT Hts fidei ff shining
Fidei check: geript Maybe the last voters get less points, as at this point it was pretty clear Damdred would be checked though. But they still participated on something that is bad for mafia, which would be unnatural if they were mafia. BM's first post in D2 was him scumreading and voting Damdred. What's bad about it is that the town sentiment about Damdred D1 was that we would be waiting for the check to happen to decide on him. I don't understand him immediately jumping on Damdred, before everybody had a chance to post. Now he has switched to LS, being the last person to sheep the town sentiment. Maybe this is indicative of a scum bus if LS is mafia. + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads
His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on
I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred On September 20 2015 12:39 Bill Murray wrote:
I changed my vote to LS Maybe scum. The only thing keeping me scumreading him 100% is his tone. So: I want someone who has played with him before to tell me if he is capable of having this "I don't care here is my thoughts" tone if he is mafia. you didnt even call me scum for this post and most of this is misinformation you have been soft pushing me the entire game and the minute someone else called me scum you jumped at the opportunity to fake a case on me
False. My first post after you started posting for real:
On September 16 2015 06:16 Rels wrote:Read through the thread before sleeping and I'm happy to see a lot more people talking  Phone posting so won't elaborate until after sleeping: Bill Murray seems townie Shining may be cool. In particular I agree with the damdred remark about him applying for grail and not doing shit The three people in the useful list still needs to do something Don't know about ls, the recent posts seems townie. I need to re evaluate tomorrow I know I need to answer stuff (at least one question from ff from the top my head) and I'll do that tomorrow. Good night!
On September 20 2015 22:20 Bill Murray wrote:
i have already refuted this point by point
the case i made on you you have not refuted because you are not realizing what i am saying
you say you would have to make information disinformation but the point isnt that you would make it disinformation but that you are stealing it in the first place to make your filter look good
I have said it multiple times.
Your argument is "I'm stealing people ideas to make myself look good"
And it is NOT scum indicative, because if it is a GOOD idea then it is good for the town to amplify it
The only way is IT scum indicative is that if I disformed the idea into something bad for the town
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Oh and I found the other post I was looking for:
On September 16 2015 16:48 Rels wrote:
About BM: he did the same thing as HTS; catching up with the thread and making his reads evolved. His thought process is clearly stated in the thread and understandable. And I loved how he simply said "well I don't have any scumread". =D I'm pretty sure BM is town.
@BM a question though: why did you think rayn was 100% town based on his first posts ?
LOLOL
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On September 20 2015 22:21 Rels wrote:
rayn. HTS clearly stated LS is incapable of lying. And I think you did too, that was part of your argument about why LS was scum, about how he was not really answering questions so he didn't have to lie
now if that is false, HTS is mafia. But someone would have said it already if it was false
if that is true, LS is telling the truth
SO WHAT? DOES HE CLAIM MAFIA IF HE IS MAFIA OR WHAT?
It's not like LS has never called any townie mafia in his mafia games.
What the fuck is this bullshit.
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alright BM if you have nothing to add except repeating I'm scum for stealing ideas, I will ignore you
I'm sure LS is town 'cause he is unable to lie. If he is mafia, HTS is too.
##DeadlineUnvote
##DeadlineVote Bill Murray
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On September 20 2015 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 22:21 Rels wrote:
rayn. HTS clearly stated LS is incapable of lying. And I think you did too, that was part of your argument about why LS was scum, about how he was not really answering questions so he didn't have to lie
now if that is false, HTS is mafia. But someone would have said it already if it was false
if that is true, LS is telling the truth SO WHAT? DOES HE CLAIM MAFIA IF HE IS MAFIA OR WHAT? It's not like LS has never called any townie mafia in his mafia games. What the fuck is this bullshit.
I HAD CLAIMED MAFIA AS MAFIA BECAUSE I WAS CAUGHT BY THE TRACKER IN GUARDIAN OF THE GALAXY WHEN YOU WERE SCUM WITH ME 
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On September 20 2015 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 22:21 Rels wrote:
rayn. HTS clearly stated LS is incapable of lying. And I think you did too, that was part of your argument about why LS was scum, about how he was not really answering questions so he didn't have to lie
now if that is false, HTS is mafia. But someone would have said it already if it was false
if that is true, LS is telling the truth SO WHAT? DOES HE CLAIM MAFIA IF HE IS MAFIA OR WHAT? It's not like LS has never called any townie mafia in his mafia games. What the fuck is this bullshit.
rayn
YOU said LS dodged questions cause he has difficulties lying
And now you're saying he's lying about:
- his claim
- geript being wraith
- geript visiting him
Has LS ever fakeclaimed ?
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yeah and now you are trying to out a townie in process of getting lynched.
and i will not let you.
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Information instead of analysis: Rels has been attempting to act like he's "breaking the game" but doesn't have real setup knowledge... or acts like he doesn't... because he is scum. why would he really break the game for town if he is red? he is instead going to push what is the path of least resistance and the thread sentiment towards people that he can get mislynched easily (me, ls, any lurker... he will probably make a case on Fido soon.)
Scumandeering: Active scum. he has a 15 page filter and is pushing his agenda out there as much as possible. Some scum play like this, and when you have one by the hairs, you need to lynch them as soon as possible. I don't think anyone has posted as much as this guy so you all need to trust me that he's red.
WIFOM: sentences like "if i was scum i would take these posts and twist these around for my scum win condition" that Rels is making are sheer wifom. There are other examples of him using WIFOM, even in the last couple pages. Look at the way he's reacting to Rayn's 5 words directing the cop check. Rels is acting like that's solid gold, when we have 0 information regarding whether or not the cop actually checked Damdred. OK, if the cop fucking checked Damdred off 5 words, great, but we don't fucking know that. WIFOM. Wine in front of me. Sicilian. Whatever.
OMGUS: Rels goes from "maybe maf, i don't know" (after townleaning me a half a day ago) to "OMG MAF KILL IT LYNCH IT WITH FIRE" on me the second I make a case on him. This is typical mafia behavior. He even started to all caps and flail relating to my case on him, trying to not only discredit my case, but also me in general
Parroting: He has blatantly stolen analysis from 3 different players, if not more. Be careful if you're town, Rels will probably steal credit for any and all of your ideas!
Lying: The act of stealing peoples stuff and then barely giving them, if at all, credit for it is lying in and of itself. Guy is scum so he is lying anytime he acts like he isn't.
Mudslinging: This is where he was mudslinging. He wants to call me an idiot, and act like I'm stupid, because he knows the case on him is rock solid. Why ? Because he knows everyones roles? maybe. I'll let you be the judge.
Misinformation: Him acting like he was in a town circle d1 LOL ok no
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On September 20 2015 22:31 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 20 2015 22:21 Rels wrote:
rayn. HTS clearly stated LS is incapable of lying. And I think you did too, that was part of your argument about why LS was scum, about how he was not really answering questions so he didn't have to lie
now if that is false, HTS is mafia. But someone would have said it already if it was false
if that is true, LS is telling the truth SO WHAT? DOES HE CLAIM MAFIA IF HE IS MAFIA OR WHAT? It's not like LS has never called any townie mafia in his mafia games. What the fuck is this bullshit. rayn YOU said LS dodged questions cause he has difficulties lying And now you're saying he's lying about: - his claim - geript being wraith - geript visiting him Has LS ever fakeclaimed ?
Are you this fucking bad or what?
I am fucking done posting in this game before the lynch.
This is retarded as fuck.
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On September 20 2015 22:31 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 20 2015 22:21 Rels wrote:
rayn. HTS clearly stated LS is incapable of lying. And I think you did too, that was part of your argument about why LS was scum, about how he was not really answering questions so he didn't have to lie
now if that is false, HTS is mafia. But someone would have said it already if it was false
if that is true, LS is telling the truth SO WHAT? DOES HE CLAIM MAFIA IF HE IS MAFIA OR WHAT? It's not like LS has never called any townie mafia in his mafia games. What the fuck is this bullshit. rayn YOU said LS dodged questions cause he has difficulties lying And now you're saying he's lying about: - his claim - geript being wraith - geript visiting him Has LS ever fakeclaimed ?
I had fakeclaimed Named VT as Green VT in Himalayas Mafia I want that game out of my mind T_T
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On September 20 2015 22:27 Rels wrote:Oh and I found the other post I was looking for: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 16:48 Rels wrote:
About BM: he did the same thing as HTS; catching up with the thread and making his reads evolved. His thought process is clearly stated in the thread and understandable. And I loved how he simply said "well I don't have any scumread". =D I'm pretty sure BM is town.
@BM a question though: why did you think rayn was 100% town based on his first posts ? LOLOL
yeah this just shows how much of a lying flipflop you are
you call me town and then today you go from scumlean to voting me in 1 page because i make a solid ass case on you bro
i really hope when i lynch you you dont cry into your pillow
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On September 20 2015 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 22:31 Rels wrote:On September 20 2015 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 20 2015 22:21 Rels wrote:
rayn. HTS clearly stated LS is incapable of lying. And I think you did too, that was part of your argument about why LS was scum, about how he was not really answering questions so he didn't have to lie
now if that is false, HTS is mafia. But someone would have said it already if it was false
if that is true, LS is telling the truth SO WHAT? DOES HE CLAIM MAFIA IF HE IS MAFIA OR WHAT? It's not like LS has never called any townie mafia in his mafia games. What the fuck is this bullshit. rayn YOU said LS dodged questions cause he has difficulties lying And now you're saying he's lying about: - his claim - geript being wraith - geript visiting him Has LS ever fakeclaimed ? Are you this fucking bad or what? I am fucking done posting in this game before the lynch. This is retarded as fuck.
he is flailing as scum because i am pressuring him
he has devolved into OMGUS
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HTS can attest to that I had fakeclaimed Named VT as Green VT in her game(Himalayas Mafia).
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On September 20 2015 22:32 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 22:31 Rels wrote:On September 20 2015 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 20 2015 22:21 Rels wrote:
rayn. HTS clearly stated LS is incapable of lying. And I think you did too, that was part of your argument about why LS was scum, about how he was not really answering questions so he didn't have to lie
now if that is false, HTS is mafia. But someone would have said it already if it was false
if that is true, LS is telling the truth SO WHAT? DOES HE CLAIM MAFIA IF HE IS MAFIA OR WHAT? It's not like LS has never called any townie mafia in his mafia games. What the fuck is this bullshit. rayn YOU said LS dodged questions cause he has difficulties lying And now you're saying he's lying about: - his claim - geript being wraith - geript visiting him Has LS ever fakeclaimed ? I had fakeclaimed Named VT as Green VT in Himalayas Mafia I want that game out of my mind T_T
LS you need to quit worrying about you and worry about who is scum in this game
do some scumhunting ...
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