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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:00 GMT
#1205
So rayn. I'm voting LS, since his filter dive didn't convince me he was town. Since everybody is OK with his lynch, if he is mafia it is a bus. With whom ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:02 GMT
#1208
On September 20 2015 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 20:57 Rels wrote:
rayn, you attacking me when you were not here EOD AND without explaining why, just "if you were town you would have lynched LS over Dandel" is super weird
I know how you play. I know Dandel refusing to explain his two weird reads would have made you lynch him

I don't care if i was here or not in the EoD.
That does not make you look any better.

The point still stands, i would think if you are town you would 100% get on LS with me and geript who btw WAS here on EoD.

There is NO reason for you to attack me on that
If you feel my reasonning for voting Dandel is bad, show me how it is fucking bad
But at EOD I felt he was more likely to be scum than LS. Actually I was pretty sure Dandel was scum
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:02 GMT
#1209
On September 20 2015 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 21:00 Rels wrote:
So rayn. I'm voting LS, since his filter dive didn't convince me he was town. Since everybody is OK with his lynch, if he is mafia it is a bus. With whom ?

James and idk yet.
All the dead people are 99,8% town.

ofc
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:08 GMT
#1211
On September 20 2015 21:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 21:02 Rels wrote:
On September 20 2015 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 20 2015 20:57 Rels wrote:
rayn, you attacking me when you were not here EOD AND without explaining why, just "if you were town you would have lynched LS over Dandel" is super weird
I know how you play. I know Dandel refusing to explain his two weird reads would have made you lynch him

I don't care if i was here or not in the EoD.
That does not make you look any better.

The point still stands, i would think if you are town you would 100% get on LS with me and geript who btw WAS here on EoD.

There is NO reason for you to attack me on that
If you feel my reasonning for voting Dandel is bad, show me how it is fucking bad
But at EOD I felt he was more likely to be scum than LS. Actually I was pretty sure Dandel was scum

I don't care. I think you are more likely to be town than some other people so it doesn't really matter.
I guess i am just mad at you.. *sigh*

mm
about LS' partner, the most likely ones are fidei and BM
fidei for defending him D1
BM for voting Damdred at the start of D2 and being the last person saying LS could be mafia
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:09 GMT
#1213
On September 20 2015 21:08 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 18:06 Rels wrote:
On September 20 2015 09:40 Tictock wrote:
On September 19 2015 15:44 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 19 2015 14:57 Tictock wrote:
Also, just gunna throw this out there.

Cop (Inquisitor) doesn't NEED to claim if they have a red check imo. In fact I'm not sure it's a good idea at all anymore.

Right now we know Vixax is martyr, if Cop claims with a red-check on Damdred then mafia can soup them both tonight, and possibly more if they have some read on other roles.

So claiming a redcheck is a 1 mafia for 2 town trade. Given that mafia goes for the soup kill.

That would (again assuming we are 7/3 now) put us into a 5/2. Leaving town with the one mislynch before we are in lylo.

So think things through yourself, check if I'm right here and if it's still a good call to claim a check in this situation.

I 100% disagree with this
we can afford that... in fact it would be good for town
we CANT afford losing 3 in 1 night
either way with 3 or with 2 we can do the 2 fer

first off, it will prevent a mylo scenario which is awkward
8v2
lynch 7v2
nightkill 6v2
lynch 5v2
nightkill4v2 (mylo)
but if you do your scenario
8v2
lynch 7v2
soup 5v2
lynch 4v2
nightkill 3v2
(cleaner... better odds of lynching mafia in lylo ass opposed to mylo)

TL;DR with 2 or 3 left we are in an awkward scenario where it will end up in mylo instead of lylo which are better odds for mafia.


So looking back at this, I noticed that there are some mistakes/weird stuff happening here.

In your 2nd list you have town mislynching, followed by a soup kill which makes no sense. Only way we get a 2nd claim today is if Inq claims a redcheck which would mean:
8v2
lynch 8v1
soup 6v1
mislynch 5v1
nightkill 4v1
ml 3v1
nk 2v1
LyLo

no soup
8v2
ml 7v2
nk 6v2
ml 5v2
nk 4v2
MyLo

Or the 7/3 situation
7v3
lynch 7v2
soup 5v2
ml 4v2
nk 3v2
LyLo

And lastly 7/3 no soup
7v3
ml 6v3
nk 5v3
MyLo (ml 4v3 into nk 3v3)

That last one is scary actually.
Also I now see exactly what you mean BM. Redcheck should definitely be claimed.

It probably should have been claimed already, but if you listened to my lat post about this and held off claiming a redcheck now is the time. Otherwise assuming Damdred is town seems fairly reasonable.

OK I'll resume this post to see if it makes sense. Assuming Shining wasn't mafia, as I'm pretty sure he was town, and assuming we mislynch every day, the three possibilities are:
Red check claimed:
7-3 is now
7-2 mislynch
6-2 after NK
Two mislynches left before losing

Red check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislynch left before losing

Green check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislyng before losing

It doesn't make sense for the inquisitor to not claim.

you're wrong; recheck your math

I did already, continue reading
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:11 GMT
#1215
On September 20 2015 21:09 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 18:21 Rels wrote:
On September 20 2015 18:06 Rels wrote:
On September 20 2015 09:40 Tictock wrote:
On September 19 2015 15:44 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 19 2015 14:57 Tictock wrote:
Also, just gunna throw this out there.

Cop (Inquisitor) doesn't NEED to claim if they have a red check imo. In fact I'm not sure it's a good idea at all anymore.

Right now we know Vixax is martyr, if Cop claims with a red-check on Damdred then mafia can soup them both tonight, and possibly more if they have some read on other roles.

So claiming a redcheck is a 1 mafia for 2 town trade. Given that mafia goes for the soup kill.

That would (again assuming we are 7/3 now) put us into a 5/2. Leaving town with the one mislynch before we are in lylo.

So think things through yourself, check if I'm right here and if it's still a good call to claim a check in this situation.

I 100% disagree with this
we can afford that... in fact it would be good for town
we CANT afford losing 3 in 1 night
either way with 3 or with 2 we can do the 2 fer

first off, it will prevent a mylo scenario which is awkward
8v2
lynch 7v2
nightkill 6v2
lynch 5v2
nightkill4v2 (mylo)
but if you do your scenario
8v2
lynch 7v2
soup 5v2
lynch 4v2
nightkill 3v2
(cleaner... better odds of lynching mafia in lylo ass opposed to mylo)

TL;DR with 2 or 3 left we are in an awkward scenario where it will end up in mylo instead of lylo which are better odds for mafia.


So looking back at this, I noticed that there are some mistakes/weird stuff happening here.

In your 2nd list you have town mislynching, followed by a soup kill which makes no sense. Only way we get a 2nd claim today is if Inq claims a redcheck which would mean:
8v2
lynch 8v1
soup 6v1
mislynch 5v1
nightkill 4v1
ml 3v1
nk 2v1
LyLo

no soup
8v2
ml 7v2
nk 6v2
ml 5v2
nk 4v2
MyLo

Or the 7/3 situation
7v3
lynch 7v2
soup 5v2
ml 4v2
nk 3v2
LyLo

And lastly 7/3 no soup
7v3
ml 6v3
nk 5v3
MyLo (ml 4v3 into nk 3v3)

That last one is scary actually.
Also I now see exactly what you mean BM. Redcheck should definitely be claimed.

It probably should have been claimed already, but if you listened to my lat post about this and held off claiming a redcheck now is the time. Otherwise assuming Damdred is town seems fairly reasonable.

OK I'll resume this post to see if it makes sense. Assuming Shining wasn't mafia, as I'm pretty sure he was town, and assuming we mislynch every day, the three possibilities are:
Red check claimed:
7-3 is now
7-2 mislynch
6-2 after NK
Two mislynches left before losing

Red check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislynch left before losing

Green check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislyng before losing

It doesn't make sense for the inquisitor to not claim.

Fuck I forgot soup. Let me redo this:

Red check claimed:
7-3 is now
7-2 mislynch
5-2 after soup
Two mislynches left before losing

Red check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislynch left before losing

Green check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislyng before losing

OK even with soup it's better to claim actually.

are you purposefully putting out bad information and maf or are you just stupid?

explain to me what is the fucking problem ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:14 GMT
#1217
On September 20 2015 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 21:09 Rels wrote:
On September 20 2015 21:08 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 20 2015 18:06 Rels wrote:
On September 20 2015 09:40 Tictock wrote:
On September 19 2015 15:44 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 19 2015 14:57 Tictock wrote:
Also, just gunna throw this out there.

Cop (Inquisitor) doesn't NEED to claim if they have a red check imo. In fact I'm not sure it's a good idea at all anymore.

Right now we know Vixax is martyr, if Cop claims with a red-check on Damdred then mafia can soup them both tonight, and possibly more if they have some read on other roles.

So claiming a redcheck is a 1 mafia for 2 town trade. Given that mafia goes for the soup kill.

That would (again assuming we are 7/3 now) put us into a 5/2. Leaving town with the one mislynch before we are in lylo.

So think things through yourself, check if I'm right here and if it's still a good call to claim a check in this situation.

I 100% disagree with this
we can afford that... in fact it would be good for town
we CANT afford losing 3 in 1 night
either way with 3 or with 2 we can do the 2 fer

first off, it will prevent a mylo scenario which is awkward
8v2
lynch 7v2
nightkill 6v2
lynch 5v2
nightkill4v2 (mylo)
but if you do your scenario
8v2
lynch 7v2
soup 5v2
lynch 4v2
nightkill 3v2
(cleaner... better odds of lynching mafia in lylo ass opposed to mylo)

TL;DR with 2 or 3 left we are in an awkward scenario where it will end up in mylo instead of lylo which are better odds for mafia.


So looking back at this, I noticed that there are some mistakes/weird stuff happening here.

In your 2nd list you have town mislynching, followed by a soup kill which makes no sense. Only way we get a 2nd claim today is if Inq claims a redcheck which would mean:
8v2
lynch 8v1
soup 6v1
mislynch 5v1
nightkill 4v1
ml 3v1
nk 2v1
LyLo

no soup
8v2
ml 7v2
nk 6v2
ml 5v2
nk 4v2
MyLo

Or the 7/3 situation
7v3
lynch 7v2
soup 5v2
ml 4v2
nk 3v2
LyLo

And lastly 7/3 no soup
7v3
ml 6v3
nk 5v3
MyLo (ml 4v3 into nk 3v3)

That last one is scary actually.
Also I now see exactly what you mean BM. Redcheck should definitely be claimed.

It probably should have been claimed already, but if you listened to my lat post about this and held off claiming a redcheck now is the time. Otherwise assuming Damdred is town seems fairly reasonable.

OK I'll resume this post to see if it makes sense. Assuming Shining wasn't mafia, as I'm pretty sure he was town, and assuming we mislynch every day, the three possibilities are:
Red check claimed:
7-3 is now
7-2 mislynch
6-2 after NK
Two mislynches left before losing

Red check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislynch left before losing

Green check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislyng before losing

It doesn't make sense for the inquisitor to not claim.

you're wrong; recheck your math

I did already, continue reading

Apparently you didn't, unless you are mafia and know something i don't.

which is ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:18 GMT
#1220
On September 20 2015 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
Red check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislynch left before losing

Green check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislyng before losing

we know for a fact dandel was town.
so rels, explain it to me like i am five, why does the Exorcist not shoot if we mislynch?
Because i can only think of one thing....

Because I forgot about him
What is your explanation for mafia me forgetting it ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:29 GMT
#1235
On September 20 2015 21:17 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 19:40 Rels wrote:
Now about BM.

Town points
1
Tone. BM seem to be able to post freely, and this is town indicative.

Mafia points
In spoiler Vivax' case against BM. I will take one point from his case.
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 17 2015 22:52 Vivax wrote:
Rapid fire posting doesn't make BM town. I don't find his reasoning for talking about my reads over rayn's satisfying. Point being he shouldn't have any reason to compare his reads to mine when I'm confirmed town and turn a blind eye towards rayn like he did. While I'm writing this I'm also suspicious of rayn for the way the two of them haven't been particularly hands-on towards each other.

I'm going to pick apart a few of his posts:

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar

I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT

Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred

He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT

TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.

I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does


"Buddying" is something you do when you try to pocket a townie, scum don't need to buddy each other. BM should know that.

This post has pretty much contrary opinion to what me and Rayn said about Rels and TT and ends with him wanting to "consolidate" on LS for unmentioned reasons.

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 03:40 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 16 2015 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i seriously think BM is town now.
BM i don't think your read on Rels is accurate, i think he is quite obviously town.
I will re-evaluate TT tomorrow, but i still think he is town.
I think FF has a decent chance of being mafia.

well even if i think they might be town i want to break up their buddy buddy circlejerk


Here rayn talked against his reads and notice how BM's reads shift towards thinking that Rels and TT might be town. Rayn agrees with FF being mafia.

Also interesting wording implying that rayn and me aren't part of that buddy buddy circlejerk when BM is townreading all of us. Kinda minor point but seems like reasoning he just slapped in there.

No mention of LS he was willing to consolidate on (2 minutes later he softens that scumread). I have no idea why rayn TRs him.

Here BM reaches the point of zero scumreads:

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:
LS has a unique read there

FF im gonna drop my scumread on you because i like your explanation - i didnt realize he ninja'd you there... but i remember reading the lol into lol followed by the influx of marijuana induced loling


So he rereads to find something:

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15


And finds something that suddenly makes Rels town... When it has been posted SIX HOURS before he scumread him for the buddy buddy and the list post.

Proof:

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
OK let's bring back this little thing.

The useful list of useless people
The Shining
HTS
LS
fidei
Dandel Ion

If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard


His post at page 15:

On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:
I don't understand you.

You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan.

And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?

Then you gtfo.
I think you're mafia.


On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar

I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT

Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred

He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT

TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.

I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does


On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15


So yeah, BM is bullshittin



1
Vivax's good point in the case: when first posting and catching up with the thread, we had 4 people more or less forming an initial town circle: TT, rayn, Vivax and I. BM tried to break the circle by mentioning:
- TT and I were buddying (which, if we're both mafia, is not even the right term)
- saying Vivax's reads were wrong (about TT and I town)
- not mentioning that rayn's reads were wrong, even though they matched Vivax'
Then, as soon as rayn told him I probably was not mafia, he dropped his scumreads.
So what I'm seeing here is BM buddying rayn by:
1. saying Vivax' reads are wrong instead of rayn's, even though they are the same
2. dropping his reads as soon as rayn talks to him

2
BM didn't participate in the check plan (rayn's plan about town deciding the check target). This plan is bad for mafia, so him not participating or mentionning the plan is scum indicative.
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 19 2015 18:40 Rels wrote:
Now that plan of directing the cop check is really bad for the mafia and really good for town. So everybody that participated in it will have town points:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2015 06:14 Rels wrote:
OK so we have:
Damdred check: rayn Rels TT Hts fidei ff shining
Fidei check: geript

Maybe the last voters get less points, as at this point it was pretty clear Damdred would be checked though. But they still participated on something that is bad for mafia, which would be unnatural if they were mafia.




3
BM's first post in D2 was him scumreading and voting Damdred.
What's bad about it is that the town sentiment about Damdred D1 was that we would be waiting for the check to happen to decide on him. I don't understand him immediately jumping on Damdred, before everybody had a chance to post.
Now he has switched to LS, being the last person to sheep the town sentiment. Maybe this is indicative of a scum bus if LS is mafia.
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads

His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on

I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred

On September 20 2015 12:39 Bill Murray wrote:
I changed my vote to LS




Conclusion
Maybe scum. The only thing keeping me scumreading him 100% is his tone. So: I want someone who has played with him before to tell me if he is capable of having this "I don't care here is my thoughts" tone if he is mafia.

wow youre pushing fucking misinformation hard
1) vivax's case is bullshit
a.) i didnt try to break up an imaginary towncircle that didnt exist. you and tt were cuddling in a corner while vivax was making terrible reads and rayn was trying to drive the shortbus

the real towncircle D1 was rayn-geript-me in my opinion

So Vivax made terrible reads you agreed about later ?

On September 20 2015 21:17 Bill Murray wrote:
2) i didnt participate in that because I WASNT HERE.

I'm pretty sure you were in the thread at the same time rayn posted his plan. Let me check.
rayn's plan:
On September 17 2015 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also really really want geript to have the grail for reasons.

I believe there is exactly two mafia in LightningStrike and TickTok. However my read on TT has been terrible in the game i was with him, so i am not completely sure of that.

Damdred is basically begging a cop check so i don't think the lynch on him is a good idea. I also think the cop should check him because we either get a red, or we get a really good townie (if he can be trusted to be town).

Dandel might be mafia here, i am not sure, i don't really see anyone else being scum outside these four people. I believe HtS to be town and i believe she is right on James if she is town (well she probably would not lie even if she was mafia sooo).

On September 17 2015 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And for the record this is a game where directing cop checks is allowed. There are several reasons;
1) cop should claim whenever they have red. if you direct a cop check and have no claim you know you have a green check without the cop claiming - there is no GF and no roleblocker, nothing makes the checks unreliable and they always go through
2) If mafia wants to kill a scummy player, please, go ahead, it makes town's life easier
3) there are roles that benefit from knowing if someone visits a certain person. well one role, but still.

Your last post of this series of posts:
On September 17 2015 17:08 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 20:22 Vivax wrote:
Slight townread on LS and shining.

Scumlean on Damdred.

HtS stays in null territory, I liked her opinion on geript's post on LS, it made me change perspective a bit, had to reread it myself a couple of times but then I saw where geript was coming from, it was kinda formulaic tho.

Point about HtS being that she is showing effort but it can come from both alignments, she committed a bit on my points about FF but not willing to read her either way so far.

Geript goes to null-scummish territory cause of personal meta. In some recent game I scumread him for being too tryhard to the point where I thought he was just playing it. Turned out he was the tracker, anyway he's not really anything like that in this game.

BM kinda doing his own thing, disagrees with me on basically everything. Well, I disagree with him as well and I'm just gonna let him do his own thing for now and keep him null, BUT

I find it interesting he points out how he disagrees with me and not rayn who at the time agreed with me on Rels and TT, and BM called rayn town from the get go. What irks me here is that he prefers to compare his reads to mine rather than to rayn's. Will have to take a closer look at that I guess.

well i have known you the longest and i am a meta player...

gonna finish catching up on the presidential debates (GOP) and go to bed though

will pop up tomorrow

So if you weren't aware of this plan, you were not reading the thread.

On September 20 2015 21:17 Bill Murray wrote:
3) i was voting damdred D1, and i believe he is scum, so i voted him at the start of today
a.) I read rayn say "ls is definitely the lynch for today"
b.) vivax posted and didnt say "nope we're not lynching LS"
c.) im 29 with obligations and shit so im not 100% im always going to have time to change my vote so i went ahead and did what the thread sentiment was
d.) i can easily see damdred-you damdred-ff or LS-you LS-lordknowswho-scum#3

So you are following the thread sentiment ??

On September 20 2015 21:17 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:
On September 19 2015 19:08 Rels wrote:
On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads

His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on

I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred

WTF
Damdred being suspicious is EXACTLY why he has been checked tonight
Now Shining or geript could have been the inquisitor
But here is a fucking high % Damdred is confirmed town. So why are you voting him ?

BM still waiting for an answer to that

yeah this is all WIFOM we have no idea who was fucking checked
why the fuck would a cop go with your plan? you're not as townie as you think

WTF
IT IS NOT MY PLAN
If even if YOU think I'm not townie as I think, ARE YOU SAYING THE PLAN IS BAD ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:31 GMT
#1237
On September 20 2015 21:21 Bill Murray wrote:
after my reading last night i literally thought it was his plan because thats how he was acting

On September 20 2015 21:26 Bill Murray wrote:
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On September 17 2015 22:16 Rels wrote:
In case this is a contested lynch between LS Damdred and Dandel, I need you to read this
As rayn posted, it is important that we decide who the inquisitor should check. If we do that:
- the oracle has a garanteed hit
- if the inquisitor doesn't claim a red check D2, it means that the checked target is town

If there is a contested lynch, the person we decided to check might be lynched, and we cannot talk at night in this setup. It could mean the inquisitor and the oracle not knowing who to check.

SO
Near the end of the day, everybody should state who they want to check in addition to their lynch.
In the person they wanted to check is lynched instead, the inquisitor would just have to assume their initial lynch target is their check target.
OK ?

Did you REALLY posted this to contradict yourself
DId you miss the "as rayn posted" ??
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:32 GMT
#1239
On September 20 2015 21:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 20 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:
On September 20 2015 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Red check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislynch left before losing

Green check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislyng before losing

we know for a fact dandel was town.
so rels, explain it to me like i am five, why does the Exorcist not shoot if we mislynch?
Because i can only think of one thing....

Because I forgot about him
What is your explanation for mafia me forgetting it ?

i am sorry but if you are mafia you know geript's role.

I don't understand how
But I understand if you don't want to explain because it would give infos
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:35 GMT
#1243
On September 20 2015 21:32 Bill Murray wrote:
Rels my case on you is that you are taking other peoples ideas and you are plagiarizing them for town credit

You are also bandwaggoning while accusing other people of doing so

OK, no way you could be this dumb (=
So you will explain very cleanly what is bad about taking good ideas from other people and applying them
Then you will quote the ideas I took and explain how I disformed them to give my team an advantage
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:37 GMT
#1246
On September 20 2015 21:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 21:32 Rels wrote:
On September 20 2015 21:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 20 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:
On September 20 2015 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Red check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislynch left before losing

Green check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislyng before losing

we know for a fact dandel was town.
so rels, explain it to me like i am five, why does the Exorcist not shoot if we mislynch?
Because i can only think of one thing....

Because I forgot about him
What is your explanation for mafia me forgetting it ?

i am sorry but if you are mafia you know geript's role.

I don't understand how
But I understand if you don't want to explain because it would give infos

If you are mafia and know geript was the exorcist it is easy to make the mistake of not including the exorcist into setup analysis at all (because duh.. they are dead).

Again, if you do setup analysis i assume you AT LEAST READ THE ROLES that are in the game. rofl.

Oh OK, I understand where you're coming from
Well I made a mistake so this is valid
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:37 GMT
#1249
On September 20 2015 21:36 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 21:35 Rels wrote:
On September 20 2015 21:32 Bill Murray wrote:
Rels my case on you is that you are taking other peoples ideas and you are plagiarizing them for town credit

You are also bandwaggoning while accusing other people of doing so

OK, no way you could be this dumb (=
So you will explain very cleanly what is bad about taking good ideas from other people and applying them
Then you will quote the ideas I took and explain how I disformed them to give my team an advantage

ok he just slipped here
look how shady his wording is "disformed them to give my team an advantage" like he's begging for us to look at him as town LOL this guy is hilarious

Still waiting on your analysis (=
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:39 GMT
#1254
On September 20 2015 21:37 Bill Murray wrote:
he's also getting so nervous that where english is his 2nd language and french his first he is messing up his words "cleanly" instead of "clearly", for instance.
100% scum

LOL
I wanted to use the word cleanly p:
Still waiting for you do answer the question
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:41 GMT
#1261
On September 20 2015 21:38 LightningStrike wrote:
You know what fuck it I don't even want to live the long game for my role to be useful because I would most likely be mislynched before it becomes good. I'm the POPE I was visted by Geript who is the WANDERING WRAITH I was wondering why the fuck I would get Night 1 check result from Palmar but it turned out the pm was that Geript visted me and he was the WANDERING WRAITH before he died so I know Geript is 100% town other than NK WIFOM but also because he was the WANDERING WRAITH because he visted me. Here is my obligatory picture of a pope:
[image loading]

wow
##DeadlineUnvote
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:43 GMT
#1267
On September 20 2015 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
nono, this doesn't mean LS is town.

Yes it does
EVERYBODY is scumreading LS at this point
So this is a bus
Why wouldn't LS lie low and let his partner bus him if he was mafia ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:46 GMT
#1274
On September 20 2015 21:44 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 20 2015 21:40 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 20 2015 21:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BM he actually has a point because i kinda find it really hard to believe you have a strong town read on me based on early game (i had basically said geript is town, LS is mafia, cop check should be directed because of reasons).

And then you... just what? forget one of these things and use it against him when it should be a reason to TOWNread him (as you are basically townreading me for the same thing)?

who is "him" here? Rels? Vivax?
who has a point? Rels? Vivax?
use what against who? i dont see how using logic A for player A means logic A works for player b
you're being illogical

I make a plan.
Rels agrees with it.

You townread me.
You scumread him FOR agreeing with me.

You are using "sheeping rayn" against him.

And I AM BEING ILLOGICAL?

no im scumreading him for stealing peoples posts and plagiarizing them

The ONLY time when this is scummy is if I disform the original post to get my team an advantage
so show me where I did that
or show me where the original plan was bad
otherwise your reasonning is super bad
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:48 GMT
#1275
On September 20 2015 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 21:43 Rels wrote:
On September 20 2015 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
nono, this doesn't mean LS is town.

Yes it does
EVERYBODY is scumreading LS at this point
So this is a bus
Why wouldn't LS lie low and let his partner bus him if he was mafia ?

shut up the claim is the only claim he does as scum.

no because he also claimed geript was the wraith
so even assuming he is mafia and killed geript and geript was wraith or pope
so now he can be counter claimed by BOTH pope and wraith
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:49 GMT
#1276
actually it might be good for mafia to trade a dead player for the real pope
mm
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