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On September 24 2015 00:14 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:11 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:09 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:04 Rels wrote:The votecounts aren't super interesting, but here they are, compiled with colored flips. I colored Shining green, Damdred red and rayn green, even though they are not mechanically confirmed. + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Holy Grail votecount] +
Day 1 Holy Grail votecount
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (0): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike
Not voting (1): TicTock
Day 1 final votecount
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
The Shining (0): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
Damdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax
Bill Murray (0): Vivax
Day 2 final votecount
Damdred (8): Bill Murray, LighningStrike, Bill Murray, Vivax, Half the Sky, Rels, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, Fidei86, FecalFeast
LightningStrike (2): Rels, Bill Murray, Rels, FecalFeast, Bill Murray, Rels, LightningStrike, TicTock, Damdred
Rels (0): Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet
Bill Murray (0): Rels
Fidei86 (0): Half the Sky, raynpelikoneet
I am mechanically confirmed just as much as Vivax is. I fucking thought that when I wrote this sentence p: you are 100% confirmed in my mind. And frankly, if you are mafia and had the balls to shoot yourself, I will lose to you gladly. p: Tbh if i was mafia i would shoot myself about 100% of the games where the martyr works "normally". I would never bank on angels being on me on some random day. Especially when i could just... kill a townie. What is the martyr working normally ? The save is obvious, as in: "The person X martyred himself and saved person Y" and mafia does not get the role of Y. rn the martyr role is just a free townclaim on D1 and best used as it. TBH this seems overpowered except if scum goes for this super risky play of shooting themselves.
Not really no. The soupkills and mafia getting roles of dead people is OP.
This setup is mafia favored as it is. Idc what Palmar says, it is.
Mafia cannot lose except for by playing bad as fuck. Or town has to play super good if mafia is not playing bad.
Like look, we have atm had "bad townies" in Dandel, who got mislynched and shot most likely a townie. And another one in LS who is just fucking not playing still (assuming he is town - which is quite likely).
Look at the position we are in? rofl.
IT's not that good it looks like, being in 7-2, with mafia knowing two of the town roles in game already (assuming LS is town). WITH a no-kill (that was retarded by scum) and a mafia lynch on D2.
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Okay let's get this straight right here right now.
If anyone has been visited by the wraith on N1 or N2 please claim.
If noone claims i am considering LS confirmed town.
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On September 24 2015 00:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 00:14 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:11 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:09 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:04 Rels wrote:The votecounts aren't super interesting, but here they are, compiled with colored flips. I colored Shining green, Damdred red and rayn green, even though they are not mechanically confirmed. + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Holy Grail votecount] +
Day 1 Holy Grail votecount
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (0): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike
Not voting (1): TicTock
Day 1 final votecount
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
The Shining (0): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
Damdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax
Bill Murray (0): Vivax
Day 2 final votecount
Damdred (8): Bill Murray, LighningStrike, Bill Murray, Vivax, Half the Sky, Rels, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, Fidei86, FecalFeast
LightningStrike (2): Rels, Bill Murray, Rels, FecalFeast, Bill Murray, Rels, LightningStrike, TicTock, Damdred
Rels (0): Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet
Bill Murray (0): Rels
Fidei86 (0): Half the Sky, raynpelikoneet
I am mechanically confirmed just as much as Vivax is. I fucking thought that when I wrote this sentence p: you are 100% confirmed in my mind. And frankly, if you are mafia and had the balls to shoot yourself, I will lose to you gladly. p: Tbh if i was mafia i would shoot myself about 100% of the games where the martyr works "normally". I would never bank on angels being on me on some random day. Especially when i could just... kill a townie. What is the martyr working normally ? The save is obvious, as in: "The person X martyred himself and saved person Y" and mafia does not get the role of Y. rn the martyr role is just a free townclaim on D1 and best used as it. TBH this seems overpowered except if scum goes for this super risky play of shooting themselves. Not really no. The soupkills and mafia getting roles of dead people is OP. This setup is mafia favored as it is. Idc what Palmar says, it is. Mafia cannot lose except for by playing bad as fuck. Or town has to play super good if mafia is not playing bad. Like look, we have atm had "bad townies" in Dandel, who got mislynched and shot most likely a townie. And another one in LS who is just fucking not playing still (assuming he is town - which is quite likely). Look at the position we are in? rofl. IT's not that good it looks like, being in 7-2, with mafia knowing two of the town roles in game already (assuming LS is town). WITH a no-kill (that was retarded by scum) and a mafia lynch on D2.
Dunno, this setup seems more swingy than especially alignment favored. Even if mafia knows a few role, we are still 7 town, so they cannot go for a YOLO soup. If we lynch mafia today, the last one gets rekt by mass claims tomorrow, so red check = victory, and green check = less chance of mislynch. I'm pretty confident that we'll win actually. (=
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And even if Shining was inquisitor, it means BM is 99% mafia, so same result.
It's pretty good I feel. (=
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On September 24 2015 00:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 00:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:14 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:11 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:09 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:04 Rels wrote:The votecounts aren't super interesting, but here they are, compiled with colored flips. I colored Shining green, Damdred red and rayn green, even though they are not mechanically confirmed. + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Holy Grail votecount] +
Day 1 Holy Grail votecount
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (0): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike
Not voting (1): TicTock
Day 1 final votecount
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
The Shining (0): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
Damdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax
Bill Murray (0): Vivax
Day 2 final votecount
Damdred (8): Bill Murray, LighningStrike, Bill Murray, Vivax, Half the Sky, Rels, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, Fidei86, FecalFeast
LightningStrike (2): Rels, Bill Murray, Rels, FecalFeast, Bill Murray, Rels, LightningStrike, TicTock, Damdred
Rels (0): Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet
Bill Murray (0): Rels
Fidei86 (0): Half the Sky, raynpelikoneet
I am mechanically confirmed just as much as Vivax is. I fucking thought that when I wrote this sentence p: you are 100% confirmed in my mind. And frankly, if you are mafia and had the balls to shoot yourself, I will lose to you gladly. p: Tbh if i was mafia i would shoot myself about 100% of the games where the martyr works "normally". I would never bank on angels being on me on some random day. Especially when i could just... kill a townie. What is the martyr working normally ? The save is obvious, as in: "The person X martyred himself and saved person Y" and mafia does not get the role of Y. rn the martyr role is just a free townclaim on D1 and best used as it. TBH this seems overpowered except if scum goes for this super risky play of shooting themselves. Not really no. The soupkills and mafia getting roles of dead people is OP. This setup is mafia favored as it is. Idc what Palmar says, it is. Mafia cannot lose except for by playing bad as fuck. Or town has to play super good if mafia is not playing bad. Like look, we have atm had "bad townies" in Dandel, who got mislynched and shot most likely a townie. And another one in LS who is just fucking not playing still (assuming he is town - which is quite likely). Look at the position we are in? rofl. IT's not that good it looks like, being in 7-2, with mafia knowing two of the town roles in game already (assuming LS is town). WITH a no-kill (that was retarded by scum) and a mafia lynch on D2. Dunno, this setup seems more swingy than especially alignment favored. Even if mafia knows a few role, we are still 7 town, so they cannot go for a YOLO soup. If we lynch mafia today, the last one gets rekt by mass claims tomorrow, so red check = victory, and green check = less chance of mislynch. I'm pretty confident that we'll win actually. (=
Ofc they can. BM is basically confirmed cop if he is not mafia. Acolyte is pretty easy to find out if you can deduce who the cop is. If you know shining's role (or can deduce it), you have a fakeclaim.
Bam, it's only 2-3 roles you have to figure out anymore.....
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Rels i am telling you, in the 7 games i have played before this, every game where town has mislynched twice (and there has not been a successful shot on mafia aswell), the town has lost to mass soup.
So don't be so sure of anything yet. The game is not easy from here, and it's definitely not in "town's favor" at this point.
Null at best.
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On September 24 2015 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 00:23 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:14 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:11 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:09 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:04 Rels wrote:The votecounts aren't super interesting, but here they are, compiled with colored flips. I colored Shining green, Damdred red and rayn green, even though they are not mechanically confirmed. + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Holy Grail votecount] +
Day 1 Holy Grail votecount
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (0): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike
Not voting (1): TicTock
Day 1 final votecount
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
The Shining (0): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
Damdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax
Bill Murray (0): Vivax
Day 2 final votecount
Damdred (8): Bill Murray, LighningStrike, Bill Murray, Vivax, Half the Sky, Rels, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, Fidei86, FecalFeast
LightningStrike (2): Rels, Bill Murray, Rels, FecalFeast, Bill Murray, Rels, LightningStrike, TicTock, Damdred
Rels (0): Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet
Bill Murray (0): Rels
Fidei86 (0): Half the Sky, raynpelikoneet
I am mechanically confirmed just as much as Vivax is. I fucking thought that when I wrote this sentence p: you are 100% confirmed in my mind. And frankly, if you are mafia and had the balls to shoot yourself, I will lose to you gladly. p: Tbh if i was mafia i would shoot myself about 100% of the games where the martyr works "normally". I would never bank on angels being on me on some random day. Especially when i could just... kill a townie. What is the martyr working normally ? The save is obvious, as in: "The person X martyred himself and saved person Y" and mafia does not get the role of Y. rn the martyr role is just a free townclaim on D1 and best used as it. TBH this seems overpowered except if scum goes for this super risky play of shooting themselves. Not really no. The soupkills and mafia getting roles of dead people is OP. This setup is mafia favored as it is. Idc what Palmar says, it is. Mafia cannot lose except for by playing bad as fuck. Or town has to play super good if mafia is not playing bad. Like look, we have atm had "bad townies" in Dandel, who got mislynched and shot most likely a townie. And another one in LS who is just fucking not playing still (assuming he is town - which is quite likely). Look at the position we are in? rofl. IT's not that good it looks like, being in 7-2, with mafia knowing two of the town roles in game already (assuming LS is town). WITH a no-kill (that was retarded by scum) and a mafia lynch on D2. Dunno, this setup seems more swingy than especially alignment favored. Even if mafia knows a few role, we are still 7 town, so they cannot go for a YOLO soup. If we lynch mafia today, the last one gets rekt by mass claims tomorrow, so red check = victory, and green check = less chance of mislynch. I'm pretty confident that we'll win actually. (= Ofc they can. BM is basically confirmed cop if he is not mafia. Acolyte is pretty easy to find out if you can deduce who the cop is. If you know shining's role (or can deduce it), you have a fakeclaim. Bam, it's only 2-3 roles you have to figure out anymore.....
Yeah that's true. Hope we don't lose to random guesses =X that would be the worst.
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On September 23 2015 21:12 Fidei86 wrote:
The thing I don't follow in TickTock's filter is that he makes a big post (#1712) saying why he thinks LS is mafia. It looks like he put a lot of work into it, but if you read it closely it focuses mostly on LS's claim, rather than the substance of his reads or his thought progression. In fact, TT prefaces his post with "I know that it's frustrating to get scumread, but...". And this is LS we're talking about - he fake claims as town so often it was the upgrade target for ruxx in Personality Mafia.
Okay, fine. But then he moves onto Damdred, without really expressing strong feelings on him (#1918). Also weirdly, as an aside, wasn't it TT who led the 'Inquisitor shouldn't claim a red check' faction on D2? Because he then says: "Though I'm not sure what caused people to move away from the idea that he was probbly green checked." Wouldn't that be because you argued that people shouldn't necessarily claim a red check, meaning that Rels' plan of check - no red claim - green plan never really took effect?
OK that is something more in addition to all the little stuff I described.
Do you have reads on BM / FF / LS ?
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leaving work super soon
I have stuff planned my three next evenings, so I'll won't be super active D3 at night. Will phone post if necessary though
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Don't you have a day job Rels? Shouldn't you be doing that rather than Mafia? :-0
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On September 24 2015 00:46 Fidei86 wrote:
Don't you have a day job Rels? Shouldn't you be doing that rather than Mafia? :-0
most of my day are waiting for my programs to fucking compile so I have time p:
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Right now here is the deal.
We can afford to have a claim. One claim. If it outs mafia. It's either:
- A cop claiming a red check.
- A cop claiming two greens (in which case we will lynch BM lol)
- An oracle claiming there is only one mafia left (this is a special occasion in case shining was somehow mafia)
- Someone claiming something that makes LS' claim fake.
Any of those is acceptable and highly preferred. And must come ASAP.
Only one claim. If there is a claim everyone shut up and listen to me.
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Rayn you are aware that if the necromancer is alive he knows your role?
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On September 24 2015 01:02 Vivax wrote:
Rayn you are aware that if the necromancer is alive he knows your role?
meh... he doesn't even have to be alive.
well, we lost.
I am just gonna say BM and TT are mafia.
Noone should talk and lynch into those two people.
This game is a fucking joke by balance.
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Actually;
##unvote
##vote Bill Murray
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Bill Murray is not a cop.
I am the Oracle. There is no reason not to claim because mafia already knows my role.
Therefore BM did not check Damdred on N1, in fact noone checked Damdred on N1 because i visited Damdred for obvious reasons. That makes BM most likely mafia based on what Rels said on D2.
On N2 i visited Tictock. Noone visited him. It means that the cop is dead most likely, which also means Shining was most likely the cop, it's like 99%. Otherwise there WOULD have been a copcheck on Damdred on N1 AND/OR a copcheck on Ticktock on N2.
The cop is dead. Damdred cannot possibly be the cop because he would have claimed at the start of the D2, 100%. He did that last game when i told "the cop should claim". 100%. Damdred was mafia. Mafia already knows there is no cop alive because they get my checks and cop checks every night, if there is no 2 checks they know one of cop/oracle is dead. Now they know for sure the cop is dead (because they know my role).
Most likely people to be mafia are BM and TT.
Do not talk about anything any more.
Murder BM. Then massclaim at the start of next day.
Make TT claim first.
goodluck!
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Inquisitor: Shining
Acolyte: ???
Judge: ???
Exorcist: ???
Oracle: rayn
Martyr: Vivax
Grandier: ???
The Pope: LS
Crusader: Dandel Ion
Wandering Wraith: gerip
yes Dandel was the Crusader. Otherwise Palmar has fucked up and the game is invalid.
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Rels here is what you need to do the next day:
Acolyte: ???
Judge: ???
Exorcist: ???
Grandier: ???
those roles will be in game.
You ask TT; "are you one of Grandier/Judge?"
Then you ask James; "are you one of Grandier/Judge?"
Then FF...
Then HtS...
Then, whenever you have three people on yes/no, you know in which two roles you have mafia in.
Then you go from the list again, and ask those three to claim. In same order.
Then you figure out how to lynch.
I am sure you can figure this out.
You need to think. I am banking on you being town here, so please do not let me down. <3
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On September 24 2015 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bill Murray is not a cop.
I am the Oracle. There is no reason not to claim because mafia already knows my role.
Therefore BM did not check Damdred on N1, in fact noone checked Damdred on N1 because i visited Damdred for obvious reasons. That makes BM most likely mafia based on what Rels said on D2.
On N2 i visited Tictock. Noone visited him. It means that the cop is dead most likely, which also means Shining was most likely the cop, it's like 99%. Otherwise there WOULD have been a copcheck on Damdred on N1 AND/OR a copcheck on Ticktock on N2.
The cop is dead. Damdred cannot possibly be the cop because he would have claimed at the start of the D2, 100%. He did that last game when i told "the cop should claim". 100%. Damdred was mafia. Mafia already knows there is no cop alive because they get my checks and cop checks every night, if there is no 2 checks they know one of cop/oracle is dead. Now they know for sure the cop is dead (because they know my role).
Most likely people to be mafia are BM and TT.
Do not talk about anything any more.
Murder BM. Then massclaim at the start of next day.
Make TT claim first.
goodluck!
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
EVERYONE VOTE BILL MURRAY AND SHUT THE FUCK UP
NO CLAIM NO NOTHING
JUST INSTANT MAJORITY HIM
BILL MURRAY WAS EITHER COP OR MAFIA
SINCE HE S NOT COP HE S MAFIA
WE CAN STILL WIN THIS TOMORROW WITH MASS CLAIMS
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