[M][N] Completely Normal Generic Mini Mafia

Mafia KP: Mafia have 1 KP each night. Half the remaining mafia rounded up must deliver the KP.

On September 14 2015 20:54 marvellosity wrote:

almost being the key word

On September 15 2015 07:01 geript wrote:
I think i want to lynch damdred and palmer. Make it so people.

On September 15 2015 07:05 Palmar wrote:
I actually think Cephiro's overreaction isn't scummy in the slightest.

On September 15 2015 07:13 Koshi wrote:
Damdred town for flipping his read because rayn told him.

On September 15 2015 07:16 Palmar wrote:

I have inside information that marv is probably away tonight.

On September 15 2015 07:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:

DId I draw attention to this post before? If I didn't I'm doing it now.

On September 15 2015 07:27 Damdred wrote:
Geript could be scum though.

On September 15 2015 07:31 Cephiro wrote:
@Damdred: Is there a particular reason you want to push your reads out that much that early?

I don't mind you sharing your reads at all, that's rarely a bad thing. But we're in a point of the game where you hardly have any proper information to correctly peg someone with. And thus far you're just posting every few minutes saying who you're learning town/scum on, at a point where it's extremely unlikely you even have a proper opinion of stuff yourself.

As in, don't you think you could be contributing more by asking questions or creating content in other ways, rather than just constantly throwing out reads of "X seems town, Y might not be"?

On September 15 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote:
I'm really good at reading people I play with a lot on little content, rayn is a good example ritoky is probably the best example. I generally can tell very early with a good percentage.

On September 15 2015 07:45 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
so no one answered my question. I didnt care that much but it was a free town read and kind of a test

On September 15 2015 07:52 Wile E. Coyote wrote:


I asked for info as an outsider everyone basically ignored me and rambled on shit . Whoever jumps and gives me that info is more often town

On September 15 2015 08:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:

sure i'll start looking more mafia. that's clearly what you meant amirite?

On September 15 2015 08:11 Cephiro wrote:


No solid reads at this point. Have a few leaning reads on some people, but not significant enough to be worth sharing right now. (Unless you insist to know.) I'd prefer to wait until around halfway through the cycle when everyone has been able to participate and there's more content to go by off.

On September 15 2015 08:14 geript wrote:
I don't get why anyone thinks Damdred is town.

On September 15 2015 08:18 justanothertownie wrote:

That's like the only read I really agree with.

On September 15 2015 08:23 justanothertownie wrote:

My point was that I do not see any strong reason to read those people one way or the other while for Koshi I do. I think Palmar, geript and you are all easily capable of doing what they have done so far as either alignment.

On September 15 2015 08:24 geript wrote:

I'd bet that 3 of these are false. Where's my Greymist points.

On September 15 2015 08:45 TheWarWaffle wrote:
You guys are all rad

On September 15 2015 08:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:
btw, rayn is scummy for assuming things about me. i think lynching him should be a fine start to this game.

On September 15 2015 08:57 marvellosity wrote:
rayn explain moosy to me please

On September 15 2015 09:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Cephiro said: “Why are people thinking I’m overreacting when I’m just posting serious posts?”
When literally just before he had said “Let’s banter folks. :D”

So I obviously pinged him mentally for that, but ritoky already pointed it out.

On September 15 2015 09:30 ritoky wrote:
waiting for this rayn read on me since he is so interested in why people are town reading me. am i waiting for godot?

On September 15 2015 09:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I don't necessarily care about what he thinks of cephiro. What I cared about was how he had exactly the same thought process as mine and his tone was relaxed/willing to question when necessary. I also liked how he caught the early inconsistencies in Cephiro like me. That's why I'm reading him as town.

On September 15 2015 09:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Let me know if you want to know more things. For what it’s worth, you’ve been pinging as town so far but I’m still going to wait until End of Day to make a decision.

On September 15 2015 08:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:
btw, rayn is scummy for assuming things about me. i think lynching him should be a fine start to this game.

On September 15 2015 10:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Also this. I'm immediately suspicious of anyone who thinks I'm town.

On September 15 2015 10:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:

mmm...how so?

On September 15 2015 10:20 ritoky wrote:


Pretty sure koshi is like....largest filter in game brochacho.

On September 15 2015 10:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I care because he is Damdred

On September 15 2015 10:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:

You go first. Why should we listen to Damdred in your opinion?

On September 15 2015 10:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:

i mean, don't you listen to someone from your townie circle?

On September 15 2015 10:59 geript wrote:
I'm just saying we can lynch plammar

On September 15 2015 11:01 ritoky wrote:


As of right now I would probably just sheep koshi. Though rayn asked a lot of technicalities and questions leading nowhere the past couple pages so I am less hot on him. But largest filter so policy.

On September 15 2015 11:03 geript wrote:

I think his serious posts were after I initially called him out.

On September 15 2015 11:03 ritoky wrote:


I'll be honest with you, when damd says i am town then i am town so there is that.
whether or not you like it.

On September 15 2015 07:08 geript wrote:

Since I'll be busy tomorrow and wednesday with an Interview I should get and ACLS, I might as well explain now. PalmAr becvause he feels all wrong; he's actually taking the game seriously which is a first in a million games (fyi those games he was town). Damdred because bad reads.

On September 15 2015 11:24 geript wrote:

People have trends in how they play. Other people pick up on those trends.

On September 15 2015 14:11 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Whats odd about me pointing out geript saying scummy/anti village things. Stick to meta reads fello

On September 15 2015 11:36 Wile E. Coyote wrote:


this is a good find. I just read palmers filter when I did my read list and I dont see how ANYONE can interpret his posts as playing super serious. His posts were 80% trolling and filler. So I wanna hear geript go into detail on his palmer read

On September 15 2015 16:14 Wile E. Coyote wrote:


so number 4 is a bullshit lie to me. As i said I read palmers filter and he did not seem remotely serious to me and in my small read list I said he was being a mega troll

On September 15 2015 16:27 Onegu wrote:
Actually I did have a thought on you Rayn. My thought was the only way he is scum here is if he is scum with someone he enjoys playing with. Since I'm not scum its not me. So I think koshi is the only other possible person and he looks town. You and marv rolling scum together I think would just be like fuck it. So I have you town right now.

On September 15 2015 17:09 Koshi wrote:
Palmar was way serious early game. I think geript is on the right track. I like geript. His early reads are one of the best on the site btw. Even if they look like guessing. I remember him pulling things like this off as town. He could be town. I like the idea. Geript is not mafia.

On September 15 2015 17:32 Koshi wrote:
Yes. But remember how he yelled that he was such a great player and that he was never tkaen serious and then we lynched cephiro day 3 because of that?

On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens.

On September 15 2015 19:14 marvellosity wrote:

for the briefest of explanations - controlled, consistent aggression with a purpose without attached dickishness

actually he can't really replicate this as mafia.

wish he'd played like that on the VS game we were referencing pre-game :p

On September 15 2015 19:33 marvellosity wrote:

no, you said "there's something wrong with damdred and xatalos"

"LYNCH DAMDRED OMG JUST LYNCH HIM" over and over.

at least, that is my recollection ^_^

On September 15 2015 19:32 marvellosity wrote:

do other people agree with the meta part of this?

if they do, it feels like quite a strong point

On September 15 2015 19:57 justanothertownie wrote:
Geript could be mafia because I have no reason to townread him therefore I am ok with people pushing him. I do not think his contradictory read on Palmar makes him 100 % mafia though.

On September 15 2015 17:37 justanothertownie wrote:
For geript I also share your concerns. For most people I would call rayns case a pretty damn strong case for day1. But geript is extremely calculated and careful as mafia with very thought out posts while his towngame is nonsensical at times.

On September 15 2015 20:04 marvellosity wrote:

hold on let me move some names around

On September 15 2015 20:04 justanothertownie wrote:

Why the fuck do you not bother marv with this shit when he just said the exact same thing about him?

On September 15 2015 20:06 justanothertownie wrote:

No, he waffled about the exact same thing I did. There is 0 inconsistency in what I said.

On September 15 2015 20:08 justanothertownie wrote:

The fact that you think that it looked like a read does not mean that it was a read rayn. It wasn't.

On September 15 2015 08:23 justanothertownie wrote:

My point was that I do not see any strong reason to read those people one way or the other while for Koshi I do. I think Palmar, geript and you are all easily capable of doing what they have done so far as either alignment.

On September 15 2015 08:27 justanothertownie wrote:

Sometimes geript just says stupid stuff or has weird opinions noone else shares. It's the sad truth even though the argument looks good on paper. Ritoky also belongs in the list with Palmar/geript/you. Forgot him.

On September 15 2015 17:37 justanothertownie wrote:

Yep, Wiles post was bad and he might be mafia.
For geript I also share your concerns. For most people I would call rayns case a pretty damn strong case for day1. But geript is extremely calculated and careful as mafia with very thought out posts [green]while his towngame is nonsensical at times.

On September 15 2015 19:55 justanothertownie wrote:

More than once.

I think geript is easily capable of doing what he has done so far as either alignment.

Sometimes geript just says stupid stuff or has weird opinions noone else shares. It's the sad truth even though the argument looks good on paper.

geript is extremely calculated and careful as mafia with very thought out posts while his towngame is nonsensical at times.

Geript could be mafia because I have no reason to townread him

On September 15 2015 20:25 justanothertownie wrote:

What I describe there are general trends. It does not mean that geript can never be nonsensical as mafia.

On September 15 2015 20:40 marvellosity wrote:

not sure if it helps, but from my perspective:

1) geript is more calculated as mafia
2) geript did something scummy
3) the thing was scummy enough that 2 to an extent trumps 1

or to put it another way maybe, most nonsense/all-over-the-placeness isn't scummy

On September 15 2015 20:44 marvellosity wrote:

that's why geript is where he is on my list

i just think the possibility he does those posts as town is somewhat higher than you do. even if you are right and it shouldn't be possible.

i have no reason to townread geript

On September 15 2015 21:10 Palmar wrote:

Do you think marv is town?

On September 15 2015 21:20 Palmar wrote:

did you see something I missed?

like why?

On September 15 2015 21:22 marvellosity wrote:
normally (always?) when jat is mafia you can snare him near the end of the day when he's not quite as capable of pushing interesting things strongly. not because he faffed about over geript in some kinda maybe-weird way.

On September 15 2015 21:28 marvellosity wrote:

i think your geript stuff is better. why do you think your jat stuff > geript stuff?

On September 15 2015 21:32 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I already said it was a waste of time because everyone ignored me

On September 15 2015 21:36 Wile E. Coyote wrote:


I was looking to see if anyone was cooperative to a new name on the forum . No one was therefor I learned nothing. How is that not true? Why is every simple concept a hurdle

On September 15 2015 21:41 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Ya but I was looking for more then a one liner. You were also a townread for things similar to that anyway

On September 15 2015 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I have no idea what you are trying to achieve with your question.
You'll figure out who are lurkers and who are not easily, because lurkers do not post...
You'll figure out who is good and who is not, because good people are listened to.
Who cares who is good as scum and who is not? Scum are still scum, scum do scummy stuff, townies don't. Like if we say player X is good as scum do you not townread him for doing townies stuff? That's just dumb.

On September 15 2015 21:42 Palmar wrote:

Because he said something that first time (?) mafia players would have a hard time saying.

On September 15 2015 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I definitely disagree with this.
First of all it will be much easier to read you if noone gives you that info, because if you are mafia you will get it anyways from your team and it will affect your decisions. If you are not mafia it is easier to tell if you actually think what you do when you don't know the players.

Good players can actually read into that kinda stuff you know?
You should not even want that info if you are town because it's literally easier to prove yourself as town if you do not know the players.

On September 15 2015 21:45 Palmar wrote:

wait what which part is a lie? That he would be playing mafia for the first time if he rolled mafia here?

On September 15 2015 21:46 justanothertownie wrote:

That's not how you read marv. Not that I disagree with your read itself so far.

On September 15 2015 21:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Lol? thats not a cooperative answer to me ryan its basically telling me im wasting time asking it without givng me a snigle answer . It was also posted in response to my "no one answered my question I didnt acualy care" so this was way after the fact.

Anyway im gonna be pro town and not waste anymore time on this garbage. Its a distraction

On September 15 2015 21:46 justanothertownie wrote:
Why do you think it is a scummy trait though? Because it really isn't.

On September 15 2015 21:53 justanothertownie wrote:

Why do you assume he doesn't?

On September 15 2015 21:55 Palmar wrote:
Now I am confused.





are you saying he's just randomly lying about his game history rayn?

On September 15 2015 21:55 justanothertownie wrote:

Yeah, or he is mafia. What's your point?

On September 15 2015 21:57 Palmar wrote:

care to elaborate?

On September 15 2015 21:59 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
your talking about moosy right rayn? you think hes lied about never being mafia before correct?

On September 15 2015 21:59 Palmar wrote:
Although, from your perspective, do you not think it's scummy of him to lie about his experience? What is the purpose of that?

On September 15 2015 22:14 marvellosity wrote:
2) you tell me there's a good chance Moosy would know that you knew he was lying (which would therefore make his lie dumb and less likely to be a mafia punt)

On September 15 2015 22:15 Palmar wrote:
Well let's put it like this.

I think the thing about him being suspicious of people who think he's town is a relatively advanced mafia play to make, because it requires a willingness to sort of admit that you yourself haven't been playing like a townie. I'm not saying it's something only super scum are capable of, but it at least means you have to think more than just a little bit about your play.

Do you reckon that whatever extra information you have invalidates this read based on him being potentially more experienced than I think?

On September 16 2015 00:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:

can we lynch Coyote.

On September 16 2015 01:08 geript wrote:

Because he's a sexy, sexy beast.

And because he's town.
And because I don't have a real strong townread on any good player outside of him.

On September 16 2015 02:59 Koshi wrote:
It wasn't Oats. He lived. If somebody says his name I will remember. Hmmm. Decent player.

On September 16 2015 03:02 Koshi wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440800-smb-mini-mafia

This game.

It was the Grackster.

On September 16 2015 03:08 geript wrote:
Wish me luck. Interview at-20

On September 16 2015 05:22 ritoky wrote:
JAT, at some point in this game are you going to become interested in building things instead of tearing them down?

On September 16 2015 05:53 justanothertownie wrote:

Which does not make me mafia :p

On September 16 2015 06:00 justanothertownie wrote:

Yes, you absolutely have a choice. You can choose not to be terrible and lynch someone who you don't have any reason to scumread and who will become easy to read as the game progresses. But if you decide to be retarded I won't stop you from doing it because I am really sick of this shit happening again after gaiden 2.

On September 16 2015 06:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The last time I saw JAT act like this was in a game where he was townie. rayn, marv, and Palmar were in it as well. I'd like to know exactly what they think of JAT currently. :/

On September 16 2015 06:48 justanothertownie wrote:
There actually is an explanation for this but I won't tell before Moosy tries to do so.

On September 16 2015 06:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The last time I saw JAT act like this was in a game where he was townie. rayn, marv, and Palmar were in it as well. I'd like to know exactly what they think of JAT currently. :/

On September 16 2015 08:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:

why not? i recall JAT acting like a dick in another game similar to how he’s acting here, and want thoughts from players that I recall were in that same game.

On September 16 2015 16:45 justanothertownie wrote:
Rayn, can you at least try to explain why that one post makes moosy 100% mafia to you? I don't see it at all. I think regardless of his alignment he just made a mistake saying that you played in gaiden 2.

On September 16 2015 17:54 justanothertownie wrote:

Why does mafia do it though? His point was clearly that he saw me playing like this as town which is true with people of this game also in the game. I don't know why he thought you were also in the game (the only explanation I see here is that you actually signed up but got booted right before the start - I was also really surprised that you weren't in the game once it started because I was sure you had signed up) but that just seems like a dumb mistake and not alignment indicative to me.

On September 16 2015 17:58 justanothertownie wrote:

I don't know how this is bullshit at all. I just played a game playing exactly the same way where I was also town. A "here i challenge you to tell me what's different here regarding this" is absolutely reasonable if people call me mafia for meta reasons.

On September 16 2015 18:19 justanothertownie wrote:

How is this true?

He is saying I am playing like I did last game. That is looking at my actions this game if you ask me (otherwise he couldn't say this) and it is also highly relevant.

On September 16 2015 18:25 justanothertownie wrote:

Rayns stuff on moosy has NOTHING to do with meta. Literally nothing.

On September 16 2015 18:51 Palmar wrote:
wait what marv?



This is just blatantly false. Your statement about what you said is not true. Here's the post where you "agree" with geript:



I bolded the part that came just a few posts after geript posted something about me.

SINCE you wrote that post you have written exactly 8 posts, none of which elaborate or talk more about how or what you liked about geript's post on me.

So no, you did not very clearly state that you understood but disagreed, and you did not say it multiple times.

On September 16 2015 22:08 Damdred wrote:
Moosey isn't GB, him making a mistake doesn't make him mafia. And honestly its a bit...below the bar for you rayn. Even with the reason.

On September 17 2015 00:04 justanothertownie wrote:

I have no idea where you got that from again.

On September 16 2015 23:46 justanothertownie wrote:

You were wrong in russia today. You constantly called him town there when I brought him up.

On September 17 2015 00:15 justanothertownie wrote:

That's a good question. The problem with this game is that I should have way more townreads than I actually have at this point and it makes it hard to find mafia.

If Palmar and you do not want to lynch marv I won't be getting him lynched anyways since I will not be around later. So I will probably assume he is town instead and deal with him if we are both alive day2.

On September 17 2015 00:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm really not confident about a JAT lynch if it's based mostly off of meta like Damdred says. :/ Is there anything else more solid that I missed?

On September 17 2015 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

that is not an answer to the question.

On September 17 2015 00:42 justanothertownie wrote:

That is exactly what I am doing and I said as much. Just consider my vote not on marv and move on with your life.

On September 17 2015 00:50 marvellosity wrote:
can't agree at all on Wile i'm afraid.

still not got over him describing his original questions as some sort of test.

On September 17 2015 00:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
There is actually thought process behind you being godfather if I flip Mafia.

What you were trying to scum read me for was so nonsensical, it could only have been a hard bus from a Mafia.

Actually, that's a really good point. Why did WarWaffle say we have a cop?

On September 17 2015 00:53 justanothertownie wrote:

XXX begs to differ.

I bussed in XXX and i did it hard. However i bus for a reason. The reason in that game was both me and JAT looking terrible on D1. If you read the scumQT i literally said "we have to bus, there is no other fucking way we are going to win as we have driven ourselves into this situation". In contrary, if you look at the last scumgame i linked, Slendy made a perfect case on my scumbuddy on D1. Too bad it came too late, so i just showed it off for "too little time, we are not gonna lynch SiRReN, you are scum if you push this" which was technically "right" as we had three options for lynch, and he was pushing a fourth one there for "no reason" about an hour before deadline. (now that would have been a good case on me rofl). The only other game i bussed in was one where i wanted to show Regfan (he is a really good player here on VS, though he does not basically play anymore) that he can't read me (as he incorrectly thinks so), he basically has called me "very easy to figure out, a really bad player who is only good at looking town when he is town". So yeah, you should get why. ^^ I ended up as his top townread, unfortunately i had to replace out because no internet for a week. :/ But yeah, i do not unnecessarily bus, ever. There is absolutely no reason for me to bus in this game, because i did not really read Eighth town until the very end of D1 (and never really said that BEFORE i started contesting his lynch). He was town, why would i bus? Like there is no reason for me to contest the lynch as mafia when i just do not have to. You can say WIFOM, but no, it's not. That's not how i work. You should know it.

On September 17 2015 01:08 marvellosity wrote:

can you splain? or tell me you already did so i can go search for it.

like you/rayn have said so but i just don't get it. like i understand there are reasons that he *could* be town, i mentioned one myself, but i don't understand the certainty about it floating around

On September 17 2015 01:13 Palmar wrote:
oh

yeah, if cephiro is mafia it's probably mostly because he took a fairly universal townread on him and just sat on his ass with it.

On September 17 2015 01:16 marvellosity wrote:

yes. although he can totes make posts like he has this game as town.
except there will also be more useful things, which is the rather important stuff we are missing.

On September 17 2015 01:32 Koshi wrote:

Nono. I lynched you there. Costed me a lot of posts. But I did it.

On September 17 2015 01:49 justanothertownie wrote:

Discussing this or thinking about it is a waste of my limited time.

On September 17 2015 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

One of the vets is mafia.
Doesn't have a clear read on me/Damdred (both are obviously town).
Doesn't CARE to figure out if it is Koshi/JAT.

conclusion; rayn is most likely mafia from the vet circle.