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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16319 Posts
September 21 2015 21:20 GMT
#2561
I have no idea where that comes from suddenly but you would be correct.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 21 2015 21:24 GMT
#2562
Like here's (off the top of my head, not researched or designed to be particularly valid) points I was talking about earlier that could possibly make you mafia (please don't argue with them as I'm not going to argue for them).

1) the background-y-ness on day 1 really sticks with me. I feel like I was in more than a couple of conversations where your entire role in the conversation was to just chirp in at random times with something relatively pointless.

2) The strong opposition to damdred's read on wile and refusal to count it as a point in damdred's favour (even if it was wrong, it was a good observation)

3) The "blow things out of proportion" thing. I wrote the post where you called something that was just a difference in understanding a blatant lie, someone else called you out on something similar on day 2, and you did it once again today (I can't remember the context, but I mentioned it). Like you've been SUPER aggressive about shutting down ideas that involve you being mafia this game

4) I got a weird feeling from the way you talked about me possibly being mafia if marv flips mafia. I know that it's essentially correct but I always felt your stance was "Palmar is likely mafia if marv is mafia" and not "Palmar can be mafia, but isn't really likely to be even if marv flips mafia". This goes back to my #dreamteam theory (that was semi-serious at the time).
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 21 2015 21:25 GMT
#2563
It's not sudden, there is a reason I haven't been trying to lynch you actively. There is a reason I'm much more inclined to kill marv today.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 21 2015 21:26 GMT
#2564
Also koshi thought you were mafia.

I honestly can't remember what rayn thought.
Computer says mafia
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16319 Posts
September 21 2015 21:26 GMT
#2565
Rayn was HARD townreading me.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 21 2015 21:27 GMT
#2566
Like what I'm trying to say is I want these things to be in the thread (especially if you end up being mafia so I can point to them postgame and go "Well I explained it, no one just picked up on it") but my general overall feeling is less that you're mafia.

So whatever.

It's probably marv or marv/geript or something.

marv becomes more likely with every minute he's afk.
Computer says mafia
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16319 Posts
September 21 2015 21:28 GMT
#2567
On September 22 2015 06:24 Palmar wrote:
4) I got a weird feeling from the way you talked about me possibly being mafia if marv flips mafia. I know that it's essentially correct but I always felt your stance was "Palmar is likely mafia if marv is mafia" and not "Palmar can be mafia, but isn't really likely to be even if marv flips mafia". This goes back to my #dreamteam theory (that was semi-serious at the time).

We had point 1-3) anyways. But this is just not the case. If marv flips mafia you are on the table again but I distinctly remember saying you were pretty towny anyways.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 21 2015 21:30 GMT
#2568
On September 22 2015 06:28 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2015 06:24 Palmar wrote:
4) I got a weird feeling from the way you talked about me possibly being mafia if marv flips mafia. I know that it's essentially correct but I always felt your stance was "Palmar is likely mafia if marv is mafia" and not "Palmar can be mafia, but isn't really likely to be even if marv flips mafia". This goes back to my #dreamteam theory (that was semi-serious at the time).

We had point 1-3) anyways. But this is just not the case. If marv flips mafia you are on the table again but I distinctly remember saying you were pretty towny anyways.

I didn't do research as I said. Maybe my memory is off.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 21 2015 21:32 GMT
#2569
also add in 5) the whole "reading the OP thing".

There's a lot of small to medium things that are off, but meh~~~~

I basically can't be arsed. I'm almost townreading you because its easier than reading your filter.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 21 2015 21:32 GMT
#2570
Also I do remember a bunch of things you've done this game, which is generally a towntell (I tend to not remember things mafia has done because it's generally very uninteresting).
Computer says mafia
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16319 Posts
September 21 2015 21:33 GMT
#2571
Whatever works for you.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 21 2015 21:36 GMT
#2572
Which incidentally is a point in marv mafia favour. I don't remember much at all about his stances. I love interacting with marv and he's been sort of.... eh.

The things I do remember is him being fairly relaxed on day 1, getting into an argument with you (possibly koshi too) that then just got dropped. I also remember him misreading something on night 1 that I pointed out (I think someone arranged the list of scumspects from 1 to 3 and he didn't get that it was a list only the wagons). I barely can remember what he did on day 2, but I guess day 2 was a bit of a wash.

Like I know he has genuinely been afk (again, he's worst vote count bitch ever for sotw2), but still, this is a bit excessive.
Computer says mafia
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16319 Posts
September 21 2015 21:42 GMT
#2573
Well, I don't mind the afk over the weekend. But I do mind the afk today.
He was in a fight with me because I suddenly called him mafia day1 (and he reacted in a really unmarvlike way) but nobody liked what I said or wanted to even entertain lynching marv so I dropped it since I had to leave way before deadline anyways.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 21 2015 21:51 GMT
#2574
On September 22 2015 06:24 Palmar wrote:
Like here's (off the top of my head, not researched or designed to be particularly valid) points I was talking about earlier that could possibly make you mafia (please don't argue with them as I'm not going to argue for them).

1) the background-y-ness on day 1 really sticks with me. I feel like I was in more than a couple of conversations where your entire role in the conversation was to just chirp in at random times with something relatively pointless.

2) The strong opposition to damdred's read on wile and refusal to count it as a point in damdred's favour (even if it was wrong, it was a good observation)

3) The "blow things out of proportion" thing. I wrote the post where you called something that was just a difference in understanding a blatant lie, someone else called you out on something similar on day 2, and you did it once again today (I can't remember the context, but I mentioned it). Like you've been SUPER aggressive about shutting down ideas that involve you being mafia this game

4) I got a weird feeling from the way you talked about me possibly being mafia if marv flips mafia. I know that it's essentially correct but I always felt your stance was "Palmar is likely mafia if marv is mafia" and not "Palmar can be mafia, but isn't really likely to be even if marv flips mafia". This goes back to my #dreamteam theory (that was semi-serious at the time).

I don't see how any of this makes him town whatsoever.

On September 22 2015 06:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Rayn was HARD townreading me.

And he was hard townreading Marv and hard scumreading me. So what?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16319 Posts
September 21 2015 21:52 GMT
#2575
On September 22 2015 06:51 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2015 06:24 Palmar wrote:
Like here's (off the top of my head, not researched or designed to be particularly valid) points I was talking about earlier that could possibly make you mafia (please don't argue with them as I'm not going to argue for them).

1) the background-y-ness on day 1 really sticks with me. I feel like I was in more than a couple of conversations where your entire role in the conversation was to just chirp in at random times with something relatively pointless.

2) The strong opposition to damdred's read on wile and refusal to count it as a point in damdred's favour (even if it was wrong, it was a good observation)

3) The "blow things out of proportion" thing. I wrote the post where you called something that was just a difference in understanding a blatant lie, someone else called you out on something similar on day 2, and you did it once again today (I can't remember the context, but I mentioned it). Like you've been SUPER aggressive about shutting down ideas that involve you being mafia this game

4) I got a weird feeling from the way you talked about me possibly being mafia if marv flips mafia. I know that it's essentially correct but I always felt your stance was "Palmar is likely mafia if marv is mafia" and not "Palmar can be mafia, but isn't really likely to be even if marv flips mafia". This goes back to my #dreamteam theory (that was semi-serious at the time).

I don't see how any of this makes him town whatsoever.

Show nested quote +
On September 22 2015 06:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Rayn was HARD townreading me.

And he was hard townreading Marv and hard scumreading me. So what?

I see you are also carrying the "missing the point" torch.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 21 2015 21:59 GMT
#2576
geript going for the too dumb to be scum play.
Computer says mafia
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16319 Posts
September 21 2015 22:00 GMT
#2577
I had the same thought about an hour ago.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 21 2015 22:03 GMT
#2578
Just some of the Rayn "townreads" on JAT
On September 15 2015 19:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens.

I agree with this, especially lately.
but i think its too early to tell.

On September 15 2015 19:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi; Palmar is almost definitely town. I somewhat agree with you on JAT but you are wrong on Palmar.

On September 15 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 20:40 marvellosity wrote:
On September 15 2015 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not saying he should be a clean townread for you.
I am saying he should not be a scumread for you because he does things you think are more likely to come from town!geript than mafia!geript (unless you ofc prove where i am wrong, which you havent done).

not sure if it helps, but from my perspective:

1) geript is more calculated as mafia
2) geript did something scummy
3) the thing was scummy enough that 2 to an extent trumps 1

or to put it another way maybe, most nonsense/all-over-the-placeness isn't scummy

well for me it isn't, because i can't understand how someone makes the posts geript did.
i also have no idea how jat comes to the conclusions he does. i also have no idea why he feels the need to "defend" geript or what the fuck ever he was doing if "it doesn't matter" in the end anyways?!?!?

On September 15 2015 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like here is what jat said:

"I think rayn's case looks good on paper because yes, geript is being irrational and not-sense-making. Therefore i do not think it makes him mafia. Here is why; I think when geript is mafia he is calculated and makes sense, when he is town he is irrational and not-sense-making most of the time. But i still scumread him because i have no reason to townread him."

jesus fucking christ

On September 16 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really, jat on the other hand is still not doing shit and apparently is not doing shit for the rest of the phase...

On September 16 2015 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am talking about the start of the game and the jat thing fits into his scum!character.
The way he processes information and what he lays out is scummy as fuck. Like yes, i know he is irrational at times and does weird stuff but this is just plain out scummy.

On September 17 2015 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I know that was geript but why does he like "approve" geript's question if he doesn't think marv should do that.
Like saying "you were wrong on him remember" is basically saying "listen to geript here" which makes no sense if jat thinks i am town. The post just doesn't make any sense if jat thinks i am not mafia.

On September 17 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Honestly i have no fucking idea what jat is doing in this game.
Almost nothing he does makes any sense to me.

On September 17 2015 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 00:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm really not confident about a JAT lynch if it's based mostly off of meta like Damdred says. :/ Is there anything else more solid that I missed?

He is doing nothing and his vote is on my top townread.

On September 17 2015 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
like i am waffling between jat/damdred/cephiro.
and i don't think cephiro is the scummiest of those people. there is 3 mafia soo.......


By the end of the night, Rayn ends up town on JAT, but I'm pretty sure Rayn reads Marv as town far FAR more than he reads Jat as Mafia. Plus, the Rayn townread on JAT seems mostly based on me being mafia which is wrong. So I literally give zero fucks about Rayn's townread on JAT. Some of his points for scumreads are pretty interesting, because mafia tends to townread me and whiteknight me for really bad reasons which has been rather different from how Damdred townread me.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 21 2015 22:04 GMT
#2579
On September 22 2015 06:59 Palmar wrote:
geript going for the too dumb to be scum play.

It's really not if you bother to read why people were reading XYZ. People have harassed me all game for reads that I've already given and explained. I just cba to give a fuck about repeating shit when I'm busy and they can read my relatively short filter quite easily.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16319 Posts
September 21 2015 22:05 GMT
#2580
On September 22 2015 07:03 geript wrote:
Just some of the Rayn "townreads" on JAT
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 19:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens.

I agree with this, especially lately.
but i think its too early to tell.

Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 19:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi; Palmar is almost definitely town. I somewhat agree with you on JAT but you are wrong on Palmar.

Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 15 2015 20:40 marvellosity wrote:
On September 15 2015 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not saying he should be a clean townread for you.
I am saying he should not be a scumread for you because he does things you think are more likely to come from town!geript than mafia!geript (unless you ofc prove where i am wrong, which you havent done).

not sure if it helps, but from my perspective:

1) geript is more calculated as mafia
2) geript did something scummy
3) the thing was scummy enough that 2 to an extent trumps 1

or to put it another way maybe, most nonsense/all-over-the-placeness isn't scummy

well for me it isn't, because i can't understand how someone makes the posts geript did.
i also have no idea how jat comes to the conclusions he does. i also have no idea why he feels the need to "defend" geript or what the fuck ever he was doing if "it doesn't matter" in the end anyways?!?!?

Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like here is what jat said:

"I think rayn's case looks good on paper because yes, geript is being irrational and not-sense-making. Therefore i do not think it makes him mafia. Here is why; I think when geript is mafia he is calculated and makes sense, when he is town he is irrational and not-sense-making most of the time. But i still scumread him because i have no reason to townread him."

jesus fucking christ

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really, jat on the other hand is still not doing shit and apparently is not doing shit for the rest of the phase...

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am talking about the start of the game and the jat thing fits into his scum!character.
The way he processes information and what he lays out is scummy as fuck. Like yes, i know he is irrational at times and does weird stuff but this is just plain out scummy.

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I know that was geript but why does he like "approve" geript's question if he doesn't think marv should do that.
Like saying "you were wrong on him remember" is basically saying "listen to geript here" which makes no sense if jat thinks i am town. The post just doesn't make any sense if jat thinks i am not mafia.

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Honestly i have no fucking idea what jat is doing in this game.
Almost nothing he does makes any sense to me.

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 17 2015 00:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm really not confident about a JAT lynch if it's based mostly off of meta like Damdred says. :/ Is there anything else more solid that I missed?

He is doing nothing and his vote is on my top townread.

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
like i am waffling between jat/damdred/cephiro.
and i don't think cephiro is the scummiest of those people. there is 3 mafia soo.......


By the end of the night, Rayn ends up town on JAT, but I'm pretty sure Rayn reads Marv as town far FAR more than he reads Jat as Mafia. Plus, the Rayn townread on JAT seems mostly based on me being mafia which is wrong. So I literally give zero fucks about Rayn's townread on JAT. Some of his points for scumreads are pretty interesting, because mafia tends to townread me and whiteknight me for really bad reasons which has been rather different from how Damdred townread me.

Rayns townread on me had absolutely nothing to do with you. I habe no idea how you come up with this shit.
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