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It doesn't make it "it sucks" more than any other setup.
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On August 30 2015 03:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Veterans have been roleblockable in most setups I have seen on TL.
You are not qualified to comment because you tried to give us bad whisky. 
+ Show Spoiler +the 12yr and 15yr glenfiddich is terrible, prolly the worst single malt compared to it's price.
dunno about the rest but i would imagine they cost over 100eur and i am 100% sure you can het better with that price.
try talisker 57 north or something. :p
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On August 30 2015 04:24 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2015 03:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Veterans have been roleblockable in most setups I have seen on TL. You are not qualified to comment because you tried to give us bad whisky. + Show Spoiler +the 12yr and 15yr glenfiddich is terrible, prolly the worst single malt compared to it's price.
dunno about the rest but i would imagine they cost over 100eur and i am 100% sure you can het better with that price.
try talisker 57 north or something. :p I'll be honest with you, I know you are a whiskey expert and I have read the TL whiskey thread, but I am quite overwhelmed with the things they are discussing. For someone who does like Glenfiddich, where do I "branch out" if that makes any sense to you, especially for a better deal? I'll try the talisker you suggested though. 
If you like smokey whisky you can get Bowmore for about the same price as Glenfiddich. It's better.
I would say avoid the 15yr old in both of the above.
Pretty much all Talisker is fine, even the 10yr.
Lagavulin 16yr is probably the best whisky you can get in the stores in Finland, ~70eur, it's goodygood and smooth.
Again if smokey Laphroaig, almost all of them are at least fine (i don't like those as much as other stuff out there - but i know that's just a difference in taste), they are also a bit more expensive (at least here).
EDIT: IT WAS A CASE WITHOUT A CONCLUSION ROFL!!!
If you like Glenfiddich try out Lagavulin 16.
Or if you can find Jura superstition somewhere that's even better imo and cheaper
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And never go to Americas. Those people do not know how to make whisky.
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On August 30 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 05:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:I think there are two conclusions that I would like to extrapolate from the beginning of this Mafia game. The first is that you guys drink way too much alcohol. Like way too much. The second is that there are zero newbies interested in TL Mafia.  which is sad I would give you a cool answer but I'm too drunk to do it right now
+1
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I am not sure but i think i need to ask if i am allowed to "hydra" with Vivax from thursday -> in case i am alive, for obvious reasons.
Cake should be joining at least, idk when, i'll ask her when i get a chance.
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On August 30 2015 05:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Don't listen to Rayn, I tried Laphroaig and it tasted like a sweaty butcher's ass
On August 31 2015 10:30 GlowingBear wrote:
I like to use ice cubes of coconut water. It's delicious.
Okay it all makes much more sense now.
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On September 01 2015 21:48 Fidei86 wrote:
Would it ruin things if I joined? The player list looks really good and I much prefer small games. Alternatively, I'm happy to replace.
I am still trying to get Cake to POST here. She already said she would join.
So in that regard - 11player is fine, just go 8-3 with slightly nerfed mafia.
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cakeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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wow so long until game start.
goodluck frands.
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Mafia KP:
Mafia gets 1 KP per night. KP is factional and can be roleblocked.
Just to clarify, the above means that if there is one mafia left and the town Jailkeeper jails / mafia roleblocker roleblocks the remaining mafia, the nightkill will not go through? And that is the only exception (in case of 2 mafia being alive roleblocking any mafia will not affect the nightkill success)?
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On September 05 2015 07:35 yamato77 wrote:
I ROLLED TOWN
GG BOYS
It's a bold claim but i believe you.
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On September 05 2015 07:41 GlowingBear wrote:I don't like this opening, tho.
well start liking it right now.
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GlowingBear final anwer, are you claiming a vigilante or not?
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Breshke do you have reasons to believe:
1) i am town
2) yamato is town?
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On September 05 2015 07:52 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Breshke do you have reasons to believe:
1) i am town
2) yamato is town? nope. The only person I have a town lean on is GB
Okay so why did you post your question before then?
Like you just literally answered it.
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On September 05 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:
Of all the people in the game, I have the least reasons to like GB's posting.
I want him to answer me.
I dislike Breshke the most.
The "do we just wait yamato/rayn magic to happen" is out of place as he doesn't even think either of us is necessarily town and idk.. it's jsut totally out of place, the whole post. Like is anyone even suggesting anything like that? Or like following your suggestion that "we should destroy mafia rayn"... Like that doesn't mean we will jsut own the thread and noone else has nothing to say about anything.
meh.. idk how to explain, the post is just terrible, doesn't make any sense and the timing goes along the same path.
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On September 05 2015 07:56 Superbia wrote:
Breshke is probably town. Else he (probably) needs to be with one of yamato/rayn.
You should probably elaborate on this more.
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yamato i am almost certain Slam is mafia.
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On September 05 2015 07:59 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:
Of all the people in the game, I have the least reasons to like GB's posting. I want him to answer me. I dislike Breshke the most. The "do we just wait yamato/rayn magic to happen" is out of place as he doesn't even think either of us is necessarily town and idk.. it's jsut totally out of place, the whole post. Like is anyone even suggesting anything like that? Or like following your suggestion that "we should destroy mafia rayn"... Like that doesn't mean we will jsut own the thread and noone else has nothing to say about anything. meh.. idk how to explain, the post is just terrible, doesn't make any sense and the timing goes along the same path. If you think this you probably need to think yamato is probably mafia. I don't think mafia breshke posts that if you're both town. What is his reasoning? Trying to get inside some circle this early on? Like that? I doubt it.
I am saying he has no fucking reasoning to make that post. AS TOWN.
There is literally zero reasoning for him to make that post as town.
It's posting for the sake of posting, the post does not make any sense if he does not think me and yamato are town.
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GlowingBear i promised rsoultin i will not get mad in this game over stupidity and therefore you have earned a place where i will just ignore you for the rest of the game.
Thank you.
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If you are a vigilante do not under any circumstances claim and jsut shoot GB in the face on N1. If he decided to just troll for whatever reason despite multiple people asking him if his claim is real he is just a distraction and no help. Or he is mafia.
If you are a veteran never claim.
I might even go as far and say if you are a role from another setup (that has no vigilante in it) claim that you are blue, not what role you are (so you can get docced if you are a cop or wifom the NK on N1 by being a doc/jailer). Only one claim. Then we can lynch Glowingbear.
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On September 05 2015 08:09 Superbia wrote:
Really, rayn?
yes, really.
if someone is going to be nothing but a distraction they do it on purpose and it probably makes them mafia.
if people play seriously and don't just fucking troll then we can actually win this game.
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On September 05 2015 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:
Of all the people in the game, I have the least reasons to like GB's posting. I want him to answer me. I dislike Breshke the most. The "do we just wait yamato/rayn magic to happen" is out of place as he doesn't even think either of us is necessarily town and idk.. it's jsut totally out of place, the whole post. Like is anyone even suggesting anything like that? Or like following your suggestion that "we should destroy mafia rayn"... Like that doesn't mean we will jsut own the thread and noone else has nothing to say about anything. meh.. idk how to explain, the post is just terrible, doesn't make any sense and the timing goes along the same path. I feel like it's NAI. It's probably a mix of pun and an observation. If yo uboth are town then you both are going to show something for it. and if u don't then it's an easy way to make some reads off of making an inner circle early on yeah? just some thoughts
Of course we are. The reason i am reading yamato town is because i talked with him on TS last night and he has rolled mafia for like 5 games in a row or something and i told him "hey let's wreck mafia if we are both town, it would be nice to play with you when you are actually town and play".
He basically promised to play in his first post, because he seems interested in the game and happy. If it's a fake post then i will 100% figure it out based on his play AFTERWARDS, but as per now there is zero reason to think yamato is mafia.
I don't really get what you are saying here. Like are you suggesting posts that do not make any sense and do not help town find mafia are not scummy? Because in my opinion they are. Again there was no reason for him to make the post from town perspective, hell he himself clarified that already. Like obviously he is not 100% mafia, which is why i am not voting for him, but that was a HUGE red flag for me. So if Breshke is town he better shape up, because he is actually a decent player when he plays, and i expect everyone who is town to play. What he did so far is far from decent.
Superbia can go to townpile aswell.
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On September 05 2015 08:12 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think GB is mafia here?
I don't care i stopped reading his posts.
I hope a vigilante shoots him.
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Like Superbia. I don't mind this:
On September 05 2015 07:33 GlowingBear wrote:
AWWWW YEAH I'M THE VIGI
I mind the fact that when multiple people want a clarification if the dude is joking or not he refuses to clarify.
Because even if it's obvious to him, it apparently was not obvious to other people. Which he should see, and then he should stop.
It is just a distraction. Can you get my point?
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On September 05 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:
Of all the people in the game, I have the least reasons to like GB's posting. I want him to answer me. I dislike Breshke the most. The "do we just wait yamato/rayn magic to happen" is out of place as he doesn't even think either of us is necessarily town and idk.. it's jsut totally out of place, the whole post. Like is anyone even suggesting anything like that? Or like following your suggestion that "we should destroy mafia rayn"... Like that doesn't mean we will jsut own the thread and noone else has nothing to say about anything. meh.. idk how to explain, the post is just terrible, doesn't make any sense and the timing goes along the same path. I feel like it's NAI. It's probably a mix of pun and an observation. If yo uboth are town then you both are going to show something for it. and if u don't then it's an easy way to make some reads off of making an inner circle early on yeah? just some thoughts Of course we are. The reason i am reading yamato town is because i talked with him on TS last night and he has rolled mafia for like 5 games in a row or something and i told him "hey let's wreck mafia if we are both town, it would be nice to play with you when you are actually town and play". He basically promised to play in his first post, because he seems interested in the game and happy. If it's a fake post then i will 100% figure it out based on his play AFTERWARDS, but as per now there is zero reason to think yamato is mafia. I don't really get what you are saying here. Like are you suggesting posts that do not make any sense and do not help town find mafia are not scummy? Because in my opinion they are. Again there was no reason for him to make the post from town perspective, hell he himself clarified that already. Like obviously he is not 100% mafia, which is why i am not voting for him, but that was a HUGE red flag for me. So if Breshke is town he better shape up, because he is actually a decent player when he plays, and i expect everyone who is town to play. What he did so far is far from decent. Superbia can go to townpile aswell. l0l ok. thnx for the background story which helps make ur and yamato's posts make sense. and no im not saying what ur saying doesn't make sense. what i AM saying is that ur nitpicking over a post. because i actually thought that u and yamato associating with each other was a bit strange and i was looking to see what u guys did further.
I always nitpick over posts. That's how you find scum.
And yes the latter part of your post is reasonable, that's how i would think people react. It's not how Breshke reacted though...
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On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it.
Well you will play if you are town. I know that. I am not calling you definite scum or anything.
And yes, i think it's the optimal play. Just because at worst you got a guaranteed mafia with 1-1 trade.
Blue roles do not win the games, lynching mafia does.
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On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote:
Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.
keep it simple.
if you can get a 50-50 chance of lynching mafia on D1 by outing one blue role you should ALWAYS take is in any game.
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On September 05 2015 08:38 Breshke wrote:
I think im going to just agree to disagree because i don't see how you could think GB was certain mafia after what he did and this isn't going anywhere.
I do not think he is certain mafia.
I think he has a 50% chance of being mafia if someone "counter-claims" him.
This is a newbie game. Like the basics of this game, and how you prove yourself as town and help the town, are:
1) town benefits from clarity
2) town benefits from direction
3) town benefits from people working together
Do you think anything Glowingbear has done is achieving either of these things?
Because to me it looks like the opposite. And that's what MAFIA benefits from.
Even if we go with the simplest thing basically everyone should know in this game; If i ask someone "are you really saying this", they should know i am being 100% serious and i want a serious answer because i don't like people playing around with stuff they should not. If they do not give me a serious answer, and they are town, it will relatively hinder the town's capabilities of finding mafia, because then i will be caught into something i can't make any sense out of. Because it DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE.
So yeah, there is pretty much no townie agenda behind Glowingbears actions.
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On September 05 2015 08:50 n00bKing wrote:
##Vote: raynpelikoneet
now the nest step is to elaborate onto your vote.
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On September 05 2015 08:56 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think baiting rayn into getting angry is the right way to be playing this D1.
He's been fairly obvious town so far.
glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work.
idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see.
I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why?
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On September 05 2015 09:02 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:56 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think baiting rayn into getting angry is the right way to be playing this D1.
He's been fairly obvious town so far. glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work. idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see. I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why? I do agree on breshke. GB could go either way. His scum play IS "too dumb to be scum" so yeah. He's also terrible as town fwiw. I agree to a degree on slam but it's hard to press that angle without seeing more activity that he promised.
mmm...
idk what to think of this noobking guy though. I have a hard time evaluating how he actually views people's abilities and play as he said some really dumb stuff in the last NSM game i played. Like he sure has a big ego, just don't know yet. He should be fairly obvious if he is scum though a bit later.
nothing much else to say at this point, i kinda like how Moosy is playing, not necessarily what he says, at least 100%.
Superbia is probably town.
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On September 05 2015 09:05 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:38 Breshke wrote:
I think im going to just agree to disagree because i don't see how you could think GB was certain mafia after what he did and this isn't going anywhere. I do not think he is certain mafia. I think he has a 50% chance of being mafia if someone "counter-claims" him. This is a newbie game. Like the basics of this game, and how you prove yourself as town and help the town, are: 1) town benefits from clarity 2) town benefits from direction 3) town benefits from people working together Do you think anything Glowingbear has done is achieving either of these things? Because to me it looks like the opposite. And that's what MAFIA benefits from. Even if we go with the simplest thing basically everyone should know in this game; If i ask someone "are you really saying this", they should know i am being 100% serious and i want a serious answer because i don't like people playing around with stuff they should not. If they do not give me a serious answer, and they are town, it will relatively hinder the town's capabilities of finding mafia, because then i will be caught into something i can't make any sense out of. Because it DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE. So yeah, there is pretty much no townie agenda behind Glowingbears actions. I still disagree. I don't think GB was being serious.Can i ask why you needed clarification in the first place? Why did it matter to you if GB was vigi or not?
Because i want it to be 100% clear to everyone in the game, not just me.
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On September 05 2015 09:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 09:05 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:38 Breshke wrote:
I think im going to just agree to disagree because i don't see how you could think GB was certain mafia after what he did and this isn't going anywhere. I do not think he is certain mafia. I think he has a 50% chance of being mafia if someone "counter-claims" him. This is a newbie game. Like the basics of this game, and how you prove yourself as town and help the town, are: 1) town benefits from clarity 2) town benefits from direction 3) town benefits from people working together Do you think anything Glowingbear has done is achieving either of these things? Because to me it looks like the opposite. And that's what MAFIA benefits from. Even if we go with the simplest thing basically everyone should know in this game; If i ask someone "are you really saying this", they should know i am being 100% serious and i want a serious answer because i don't like people playing around with stuff they should not. If they do not give me a serious answer, and they are town, it will relatively hinder the town's capabilities of finding mafia, because then i will be caught into something i can't make any sense out of. Because it DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE. So yeah, there is pretty much no townie agenda behind Glowingbears actions. I still disagree. I don't think GB was being serious.Can i ask why you needed clarification in the first place? Why did it matter to you if GB was vigi or not? Because i want it to be 100% clear to everyone in the game, not just me. wait...so ur saying u would have believed gb's claim?? I thought it was pretty clear that he HAD to be joking.
I don't know what to believe when it comes to him. That's why i wanted him to clarify.
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hmm maybe noobking is mafia after all.
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On September 05 2015 09:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:10 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 08:59 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:
Of all the people in the game, I have the least reasons to like GB's posting. I want him to answer me. I dislike Breshke the most. The "do we just wait yamato/rayn magic to happen" is out of place as he doesn't even think either of us is necessarily town and idk.. it's jsut totally out of place, the whole post. Like is anyone even suggesting anything like that? Or like following your suggestion that "we should destroy mafia rayn"... Like that doesn't mean we will jsut own the thread and noone else has nothing to say about anything. meh.. idk how to explain, the post is just terrible, doesn't make any sense and the timing goes along the same path. I feel like it's NAI. It's probably a mix of pun and an observation. If yo uboth are town then you both are going to show something for it. and if u don't then it's an easy way to make some reads off of making an inner circle early on yeah? just some thoughts Of course we are. The reason i am reading yamato town is because i talked with him on TS last night and he has rolled mafia for like 5 games in a row or something and i told him "hey let's wreck mafia if we are both town, it would be nice to play with you when you are actually town and play". He basically promised to play in his first post, because he seems interested in the game and happy. If it's a fake post then i will 100% figure it out based on his play AFTERWARDS, but as per now there is zero reason to think yamato is mafia. I don't really get what you are saying here. Like are you suggesting posts that do not make any sense and do not help town find mafia are not scummy? Because in my opinion they are. Again there was no reason for him to make the post from town perspective, hell he himself clarified that already. Like obviously he is not 100% mafia, which is why i am not voting for him, but that was a HUGE red flag for me. So if Breshke is town he better shape up, because he is actually a decent player when he plays, and i expect everyone who is town to play. What he did so far is far from decent. Superbia can go to townpile aswell. This is some of the worst reasons to read yamato. You're basically saying he is town because he promised to play. And you're assuming he is fulfilling his promise because he had an opening. I find hard to believe such retarded reasoning could come from such a good player as you. Breshke is mafia because he posted just to post on the very first hour of the game I am mafia because I refuse to clarify a claim and you SHOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M DOING BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS CLAIM COP AT THE BEGINNING OF EVERY GAME Yamato is town because he had a happy opening. Everything you're saying here is bullshit It's true that everything rayn is saying there is bullshit. And I agree with everything you said in this post EXCEPT for: "I find hard to believe such retarded reasoning could come from such a good player as you." Because *I* find it hard to believe that you've not seen retarded reasoning from him before. But for the rest of it, we're on the same page. Really? I actually thought that most of what GlowingBear wrote was garbage. But then again, I do tone reads and I like rayn's tone. Although I did think that it was weird that he's basing some of his reads on tone when he normally relies on more substantive stuff.
IF yo ulook at any game i have ever played this is 100% how i read yamato in every single game.
I am not even calling Breshke mafia. So that's bullshit in the first place.
My read on GlowingBear should be clear as a sky. And i don't claim cop in every game, that's 100% bullshit. And when i do, i retract from it when it's unclear to people that i am not doing it for reals.
So, literally everything Glowingbear writes is bullshit.
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On September 05 2015 09:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
rayn i have questions for u in a bit.
sure, i'll be here.
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On September 05 2015 09:25 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:15 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 09:00 yamato77 wrote:
My ability to read rayn, which spans some 20 or so games and 2 years. Okay, so from a meta-read standpoint, help me out here: Does rayn leap to ridiculous conclusions with no basis as either allegiance? Or only when he's Town? On September 05 2015 09:00 yamato77 wrote:
Also, for objective criteria, he is the loudest, most active player early on in the game when mafia is given no incentive to push the envelope and make waves. "Active" doesn't make someone Town, and "loud" especially doesn't make someone Town. On September 05 2015 09:00 yamato77 wrote:
Your vote on him is terrible and I read it as intentionally antagonistic towards a player with a penchant for getting all bothered by this kind of silliness. If he has a penchant for being bothered by silliness, that's his fault, not mine. You should applaud me for giving him some practice at controlling himself.  trash tier post
yeah like the dude literally says he does not know what to expect from me then calls me scum for it.
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On September 05 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 07:46 Breshke wrote:
So do we just sit back and wait for the yamato/rayn magic to happen? This was Breshke's post. In this his tone is sarcastic which matches his general acerbic posting. I don't see why you would say this: Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 08:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:
Of all the people in the game, I have the least reasons to like GB's posting. I want him to answer me. I dislike Breshke the most. The "do we just wait yamato/rayn magic to happen" is out of place as he doesn't even think either of us is necessarily town and idk.. it's jsut totally out of place, the whole post. Like is anyone even suggesting anything like that? Or like following your suggestion that "we should destroy mafia rayn"... Like that doesn't mean we will jsut own the thread and noone else has nothing to say about anything. meh.. idk how to explain, the post is just terrible, doesn't make any sense and the timing goes along the same path. I feel like it's NAI. It's probably a mix of pun and an observation. If yo uboth are town then you both are going to show something for it. and if u don't then it's an easy way to make some reads off of making an inner circle early on yeah? just some thoughts Of course we are. The reason i am reading yamato town is because i talked with him on TS last night and he has rolled mafia for like 5 games in a row or something and i told him "hey let's wreck mafia if we are both town, it would be nice to play with you when you are actually town and play". He basically promised to play in his first post, because he seems interested in the game and happy. If it's a fake post then i will 100% figure it out based on his play AFTERWARDS, but as per now there is zero reason to think yamato is mafia. I don't really get what you are saying here. Like are you suggesting posts that do not make any sense and do not help town find mafia are not scummy? Because in my opinion they are. Again there was no reason for him to make the post from town perspective, hell he himself clarified that already. Like obviously he is not 100% mafia, which is why i am not voting for him, but that was a HUGE red flag for me. So if Breshke is town he better shape up, because he is actually a decent player when he plays, and i expect everyone who is town to play. What he did so far is far from decent. Superbia can go to townpile aswell. l0l ok. thnx for the background story which helps make ur and yamato's posts make sense. and no im not saying what ur saying doesn't make sense. what i AM saying is that ur nitpicking over a post. because i actually thought that u and yamato associating with each other was a bit strange and i was looking to see what u guys did further. I always nitpick over posts. That's how you find scum. And yes the latter part of your post is reasonable, that's how i would think people react. It's not how Breshke reacted though... He's basically saying he's waiting to see what you guys will do but you're saying that's not what he said? Also thoughts on the evolution of your read on Breshke. At first you think he's very likely to be Mafia then seem to waffle and say we'll have to see later on. Also around this time you seem to want to kill GlowingBear. I don't like how you give up one thing when GlowingBear starts to seem like a better lynch target with his terrible shenanigans.
Here is my read evolution of Breshke:
- I saw a post i think makes no sense from town perspective.
- I asked him about it.
- He answered, and then i said "it does not make any sense from town perspective".
- I pushed him further, because i wanted a reaction (a better elaboration, in case he is town) and i wanted to make sure he knows i have my eyes on him because he CAN be lazy as town, but if he is town i don't want to allow him to be lazy, and i wanted him to know he does know that.
- He said "okay, my post was indeed fluff, but idk what to expect from people at that point of the game"
- That makes sense to me, i didn't even originally think about that. But now that he said it it makes a bit more sense.
- Then i responded him basically with saying "if you are town you will play, okay"
- After that his posting has been better, so i have a reason to believe he is not in fact mafia -> his behavior now to me makes more sense.
I focused onto both Breshke and Glowingbear at the same time. I already knew what i would say regarding how GB answers me. I want to cut out the stupidity from this game. Again, i have not been pushing GB, and again, i don't even care if he is mafia or not, he earned himself a spot in "ignore pile", if someone else wants to figure him out do it. I think it's more likely that he is mafia fro what i have said but i am not sure.
My "timing" on Breshke/GB thing has nothing to do with anything for reals.
I think the most likely people who are mafia in this game atm are Slam & Noobking.
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On September 05 2015 09:32 CopCake wrote:
I don't like Moosy
but I'm trying to figure out who could be his partner
I am pretty sure Moosy is not mafia tbh.
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Just because his last post shows a clear logical thought process, it makes a lot of sense he would think that way.
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dude he said that himself
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and that's why noobking is mafia.
- calls me mafia for something he does not know if it makes me mafia by his definition:
Does rayn leap to ridiculous conclusions with no basis as either allegiance? Or only when he's Town?
which is literally GB's case on me.
- "I'm not sure his (Breshke's) tone was sarcastic, but we can have him clarify. "
when:
On September 05 2015 08:04 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:02 Superbia wrote:
Breshke, what were your thoughts behind that post? I was 100% posting just to post.
gg found scum.
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On September 05 2015 09:46 CopCake wrote:
Sorry I am busy and how can Moosy be town?
Like he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived"
Like how the fuck does he has that kind of info that we get along extremely too well?
That's why I asked he says he was playing but he got it extremely right.
he was joking....
like idk, if he "got that info from somewhere" where? am i scum? are you scum? or what?
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On September 05 2015 09:49 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:
copcake can u post reads rather than throwing out pointless one-liners please. i'd love to town read u but i can't do that if u don't post. There's no need to be trying to press someone for reads at this point. Allow CopCake to participate in the way that he/she is comfortable doing, instead of giving him/her an excuse to make some worthless list post and then clam up or leave.
she is way better player than you are so she will not "clam up".
at least if you are town in this game rofl.
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[QUOTE]On September 05 2015 09:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 05 2015 09:46 CopCake wrote:
these posts show that he's going to be nice around you. then when u enter the thread he stopped cursing immediately and started using smiley face emoticons. ( )
also, my post was in no way serious. i was just making a joke there while noting a possible association.[/QUOTE]
tbh i haven't been mad in this game at all.
i am having happy times.
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On September 05 2015 09:52 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
and that's why noobking is mafia.
- calls me mafia for something he does not know if it makes me mafia by his definition By my definition of what? Show nested quote +Does rayn leap to ridiculous conclusions with no basis as either allegiance? Or only when he's Town? Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:- "I'm not sure his (Breshke's) tone was sarcastic, but we can have him clarify. " when: On September 05 2015 08:04 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:02 Superbia wrote:
Breshke, what were your thoughts behind that post? I was 100% posting just to post. gg found scum. If you're Town, you're embarrassing yourself. Someone "posting just to post" does NOT mean they were being sarcastic.
Glowingbear's case on me is "rayn is making ridiculous conclusions with no basis"
noobking says "##vote rayn"
noobking says "GB's case is good"
noobking says "Does rayn leap to ridiculous conclusions with no basis as either allegiance? Or only when he's Town?"
By your own definition you should not think i am mafia.
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On September 05 2015 09:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 09:49 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 09:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:
copcake can u post reads rather than throwing out pointless one-liners please. i'd love to town read u but i can't do that if u don't post. There's no need to be trying to press someone for reads at this point. Allow CopCake to participate in the way that he/she is comfortable doing, instead of giving him/her an excuse to make some worthless list post and then clam up or leave. she is way better player than you are so she will not "clam up". at least if you are town in this game rofl. aight let's back off a bit folks. i don't need u 2 fighting rite now when im townreading u both.
wel lyou should not be townreading noobking.
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On September 05 2015 09:58 Breshke wrote:
Is it that time? Are we going to start measuring dicks soon? Noobking didnt you purposly antagonize people in the game we played together and you were mafia?
Rayn you said you liked what moosey was doing not how he was doing it. OR something along those lines can you explain it. I can go find the post if need be.
I liked the post where he was asking about my thought process of my read evolvement on you.
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On September 05 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 07:46 Breshke wrote:
So do we just sit back and wait for the yamato/rayn magic to happen? This was Breshke's post. In this his tone is sarcastic which matches his general acerbic posting. I don't see why you would say this: Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 08:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:
Of all the people in the game, I have the least reasons to like GB's posting. I want him to answer me. I dislike Breshke the most. The "do we just wait yamato/rayn magic to happen" is out of place as he doesn't even think either of us is necessarily town and idk.. it's jsut totally out of place, the whole post. Like is anyone even suggesting anything like that? Or like following your suggestion that "we should destroy mafia rayn"... Like that doesn't mean we will jsut own the thread and noone else has nothing to say about anything. meh.. idk how to explain, the post is just terrible, doesn't make any sense and the timing goes along the same path. I feel like it's NAI. It's probably a mix of pun and an observation. If yo uboth are town then you both are going to show something for it. and if u don't then it's an easy way to make some reads off of making an inner circle early on yeah? just some thoughts Of course we are. The reason i am reading yamato town is because i talked with him on TS last night and he has rolled mafia for like 5 games in a row or something and i told him "hey let's wreck mafia if we are both town, it would be nice to play with you when you are actually town and play". He basically promised to play in his first post, because he seems interested in the game and happy. If it's a fake post then i will 100% figure it out based on his play AFTERWARDS, but as per now there is zero reason to think yamato is mafia. I don't really get what you are saying here. Like are you suggesting posts that do not make any sense and do not help town find mafia are not scummy? Because in my opinion they are. Again there was no reason for him to make the post from town perspective, hell he himself clarified that already. Like obviously he is not 100% mafia, which is why i am not voting for him, but that was a HUGE red flag for me. So if Breshke is town he better shape up, because he is actually a decent player when he plays, and i expect everyone who is town to play. What he did so far is far from decent. Superbia can go to townpile aswell. l0l ok. thnx for the background story which helps make ur and yamato's posts make sense. and no im not saying what ur saying doesn't make sense. what i AM saying is that ur nitpicking over a post. because i actually thought that u and yamato associating with each other was a bit strange and i was looking to see what u guys did further. I always nitpick over posts. That's how you find scum. And yes the latter part of your post is reasonable, that's how i would think people react. It's not how Breshke reacted though... He's basically saying he's waiting to see what you guys will do but you're saying that's not what he said? Also thoughts on the evolution of your read on Breshke. At first you think he's very likely to be Mafia then seem to waffle and say we'll have to see later on. Also around this time you seem to want to kill GlowingBear. I don't like how you give up one thing when GlowingBear starts to seem like a better lynch target with his terrible shenanigans.
Like this is a really townie post.
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On September 05 2015 09:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 09:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 09:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 09:49 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 09:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:
copcake can u post reads rather than throwing out pointless one-liners please. i'd love to town read u but i can't do that if u don't post. There's no need to be trying to press someone for reads at this point. Allow CopCake to participate in the way that he/she is comfortable doing, instead of giving him/her an excuse to make some worthless list post and then clam up or leave. she is way better player than you are so she will not "clam up". at least if you are town in this game rofl. aight let's back off a bit folks. i don't need u 2 fighting rite now when im townreading u both. wel lyou should not be townreading noobking. no. he is actually acting very much like n00bKing in this game. it's that classical mix of searching/antagonism/ focus on logic which i recognize all too easily.
I lol'd because i just pointed out why there is zero logic.
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Like he is arguing in circles as he was doing in the last NSM game. He is not even trying to understand what people say and it shows.
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On September 05 2015 10:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Noob can you explain why did you vote Rayn when you said he could say retarded things as town also?
Hey, you can get out of the pile if you want to.
Please do make sense okay? And do not distract the game if you are town.
Please.
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Cakeycake what's your read on Noobking?
And do you think someone (else - if not him) is mafia?
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On September 05 2015 10:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:57 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 09:54 Breshke wrote:
Im confused. Which post are people asking if it was sarcastic? The yamato/rayn one?
IDK if i would call it sarcasm it was more a joke im not sure if it is exactly sarcasm though because if rayn and yamato are town and both want to try hard this game then I believe they can very likely get us scum lynches. That is the post in question, yes. And thanks for clarifying. Because that's exactly how I read the post from you, INSTEAD OF as sarcastic. -shrugs- sarcastic or not i read it the same way. the post was not serious.
but the thing is i never called it "serious".
I called it fluff. Which i associate with scum, and Breshke confirmed himself.
And this dude is calling me mafia for it. :p
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On September 05 2015 10:00 n00bKing wrote:
False. I agreed with his post saying that the things you had posted were bullshit. His post does not ever say that it's supposed to be any kind of a "case" against you, nor did I call it one.
yeah dude obviously it's not a case on me..
except he says why he thinks i am mafia and he has his vote on me.
not a case, 100%.
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On September 05 2015 10:08 Breshke wrote:
Is the slam thing that he was here at the start of the game seeming excited then just decided to leave?
yes, it makes him like 95% mafia.
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On September 05 2015 10:08 Breshke wrote:
SO when noobking said "Does rayn leap to ridiculous conclusions with no basis as either allegiance? Or only when he's Town?"
He was not being serious rayn. IIRC i think he was responding to yamato and he is trying to imply that you can not be town because you are leaping to ridiculous conclusions. This wasn't actually a question about your meta.
The why doesn't he fucking clarify it?
Instead he keeps dancing around the issue and saying something else.
Did you play in Newbie Student Mafia XIII?
Like it was literally what he did all game long. Someone makes a clear point, he just twists the points into oblivion so noone even remembers the original argument anymore. He's like kitaman when scum, except for kitaman is really fucking good at it.
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On September 05 2015 10:12 GlowingBear wrote:
You don't think is reasonable to call you Mafia for displaying bad arguments in thread, at least in my POV?
Also, consider I'm town. I'm having very different reads from you. I think Moosy doosy is Mafia and I really don't understand how can you town read him.
Do you understand why I think Moosy doosy is Mafia?
I am sorry if you think that way but i have displayed zero bad arguments in thread.
My arguments on yamato and Slam are in fact really fucking good.
My argument on noobking is also good.
You are (probably unintentionally) misrepresenting my "argument" on Breshke. So please go back and read what i answered to Moosy. You know i tend to use certainties, if i say "zero reason" it does in fact mean "zero reason in my opinion (at this point)". I push people to contribute, and i pressure them, that's why i use such wording. You should know it, you have played with me enough.
I don't undersntad why you think Moosy is mafia. Can you clarify? Or do i need to go read somethign again?
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And no GB, as i said, when multiple people ask you to clarify something, then you should.
You should keep this in mind.
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On September 05 2015 10:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 10:00 n00bKing wrote:
False. I agreed with his post saying that the things you had posted were bullshit. His post does not ever say that it's supposed to be any kind of a "case" against you, nor did I call it one.
yeah dude obviously it's not a case on me.. except he says why he thinks i am mafia and he has his vote on me. not a case, 100%.
Like seriously read the fucking quote.
Especially you GB.
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On September 05 2015 10:21 CopCake wrote:
Besides when rayn is mafia he nip tick pretty shitty things and goes like "oh but i know this person, her tone is this etc" like when he got rsoultin in day 1 in one game.
oh that was glorious. cory helped.
hi rsoultin.
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On September 05 2015 10:23 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:08 Breshke wrote:
Is the slam thing that he was here at the start of the game seeming excited then just decided to leave? yes, it makes him like 95% mafia. And what's the mafia likelihood on the player that you're voting against instead of him? lol
98%
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On September 05 2015 10:27 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 10:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:12 GlowingBear wrote:
You don't think is reasonable to call you Mafia for displaying bad arguments in thread, at least in my POV?
Also, consider I'm town. I'm having very different reads from you. I think Moosy doosy is Mafia and I really don't understand how can you town read him.
Do you understand why I think Moosy doosy is Mafia? I am sorry if you think that way but i have displayed zero bad arguments in thread. My arguments on yamato and Slam are in fact really fucking good. My argument on noobking is also good. You are (probably unintentionally) misrepresenting my "argument" on Breshke. So please go back and read what i answered to Moosy. You know i tend to use certainties, if i say "zero reason" it does in fact mean "zero reason in my opinion (at this point)". I push people to contribute, and i pressure them, that's why i use such wording. You should know it, you have played with me enough. I don't undersntad why you think Moosy is mafia. Can you clarify? Or do i need to go read somethign again? Rayn, I'm actually not sure now because his latest posts have good content in them, but his early posting were all fluff and what you could say "post just to post". It's what Breshke did, multiplied. Read his filter and you'll see what I'm talking about.
It is an attitude thing. I have played on VS where people tended to post nothing important on D1 before i started playing there. You can usually tell if people are just "hanging around" and most likely town, or mafia who try to say something even semi-game related.
I thought that was what Breshke was doing (the latter), but i was probably wrong.
I don't see anything wrong in Moosy's early posting.
If you have something you feel like i should re-look in a different light please let me know.
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Like i am literally the towniest person in this game.
The fact that noobking cannot see a town-motivation behind my posting should in itself be pretty telling.
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town:
MoosyDoosy
CopCake
scott31337
Superbia
GlowingBear
yamato77
Breshke
scum:
n00bKing
Alakaslam
CoughingHydra
Fidei86
boxerfred
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On September 05 2015 10:39 GlowingBear wrote:Let me show you posts that I think illustrates this better: + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 09:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:01 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. I'm hating everything you post. Have you ever listend to Eminem - Guts Over Fear? He's definitely lost skill but I like his message better nowadays. On September 05 2015 08:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:01 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GlowingBear final anwer, are you claiming a vigilante or not? I am + Show Spoiler + can u be serious plzerino On September 05 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:9. like u can just scroll thru instead of asking miss. On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. On September 05 2015 08:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Eminem - No love
oldie but goodie On September 05 2015 08:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:42 CopCake wrote:
How exactly "rayn calmed down" when I got in?
Couldn't he just calmed down on his own? I was being a funny punny. Zebrahead is actually pretty good too tbh. I like "Falling Apart" the most. On September 05 2015 08:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:HI NOOBKING OMG I LOVE U On September 05 2015 08:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
n00bKing n00bKing. Just a question: Are you mafia? Like, the last post, especially. Why he asks that to noobking? What answer does he expect?
idk maybe you could ask him?
i don't think it's relevant (as the posts before that), if you do, ask him.
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On September 05 2015 10:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:
mmm...I consider myself the best person in this game to read n00bKing rite now so i know what im doing sir. and everything else i've been doing actually does make sense too.
I disagree because you couldn't figure out he is mafia in the last game while others could.
And could you answer GB?
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On September 05 2015 11:01 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:39 GlowingBear wrote:Let me show you posts that I think illustrates this better: + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 09:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:01 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. I'm hating everything you post. Have you ever listend to Eminem - Guts Over Fear? He's definitely lost skill but I like his message better nowadays. On September 05 2015 08:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:01 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GlowingBear final anwer, are you claiming a vigilante or not? I am + Show Spoiler + can u be serious plzerino On September 05 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:9. like u can just scroll thru instead of asking miss. On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. On September 05 2015 08:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Eminem - No love
oldie but goodie On September 05 2015 08:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:42 CopCake wrote:
How exactly "rayn calmed down" when I got in?
Couldn't he just calmed down on his own? I was being a funny punny. Zebrahead is actually pretty good too tbh. I like "Falling Apart" the most. On September 05 2015 08:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:HI NOOBKING OMG I LOVE U On September 05 2015 08:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
n00bKing n00bKing. Just a question: Are you mafia? Like, the last post, especially. Why he asks that to noobking? What answer does he expect? idk maybe you could ask him? i don't think it's relevant (as the posts before that), if you do, ask him. The answer isn't that relevant. What I'm trying to show you is that he was behaving just like the guys in VS as you said
I don't think that's the case.
But i think the answer he gives will probably be more telling.
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On September 05 2015 11:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 10:55 CopCake wrote:
Ok, let me predict the next post of moosy
"lol bla bla bla i can't explain it"
"insert some eminem song and a joke haha town"
nothing substantials. 1. seemed intent on misunderstanding wat i was saying early on 2. ur posts seem too intent on being nooby for my liking 3. u said ur not sheeping rayn, when ur sheeping him on n00bking. 4. in ur post on n00bking, u never came to a real conclusion, but now ur voting for him.
she is saying it's more telling that n00bking should not consider me mafia than what anyone is saying on him.
can you now answer GB?
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On September 05 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:to be fair I find his latest post pretty reasonable
rly?
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for starters the first two paragraphs is "Cake is mafia" instead of "rayn is mafia".
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the third paragraph is jsut outright bullshit for anyone who knows yamato's/Slam's play.
fourth is well... how i play as town. + the fact i was not creating a poor atmosphere, in fact you GB were. And i was fucking prodictive, i have been all game long. Over anyone else.
fifth is kinda hilarious because he uses "you saying i am 98% scum is useless and stupid crap" as a reason to scumread me when my answer is literally an answer to his stupid question. Stupid questions get stupid answers.
sixth is just fucking rofl. Like me saying i am town makes me mafia. Okay right.
seventh..... ugh i don't even care anymore, i have been pushing an agenda he thinks is townie all game long, and now i am scum for it.
this guy is hilarious.
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On September 05 2015 11:21 GlowingBear wrote:
noob what do you think of moosy doosy? what are your reads other than rayn?
i am actually degrading moosy to null jsut because he should answer you instead of talking about other stuff atm.
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On September 05 2015 11:22 CopCake wrote:
ok noobking
how would a TOWNIE react to the gb claim?
you aren't getting an answer that helps you in any way with this.
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On September 05 2015 11:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 11:21 GlowingBear wrote:
noob what do you think of moosy doosy? what are your reads other than rayn? i am actually degrading moosy to null jsut because he should answer you instead of talking about other stuff atm. wait what question?
you have to look that up by yourself. you have been asked to answer at least three times already...
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!pay attention to the game you are playing
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On September 05 2015 11:32 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:the third paragraph is jsut outright bullshit for anyone who knows yamato's/Slam's play. fourth is well... how i play as town. + the fact i was not creating a poor atmosphere, in fact you GB were. And i was fucking prodictive, i have been all game long. Over anyone else. fifth is kinda hilarious because he uses "you saying i am 98% scum is useless and stupid crap" as a reason to scumread me when my answer is literally an answer to his stupid question. Stupid questions get stupid answers. sixth is just fucking rofl. Like me saying i am town makes me mafia. Okay right. seventh..... ugh i don't even care anymore, i have been pushing an agenda he thinks is townie all game long, and now i am scum for it. this guy is hilarious. Meh, I don't know. I'm not sure about you. I really dislike your pushes on me and Breshke because I think they were out of place. You should know what I was trying to do. Well, Breshke does. No use talking about it. I think the biggest problem is your read on yamato. It's off. It's still too early to call him town + I didn't like his opening, felt forced.
The fact that i am re-evaluating and being reasonable should be pretty telling in the first place.
I often look into the wrong places early on. It does not make me mafia, ever.
yamato is town. call me scum for it but he is town and you're gonna feel really dumb after the game if you cannot trust me on that.
I am probably the best person on this forum to read him (besides marvellosity).
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MoosyDoosy which towngame(s) of his are you referring to?
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On September 05 2015 11:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:36 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 11:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 10:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 10:39 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 10:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:27 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 10:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:12 GlowingBear wrote:
You don't think is reasonable to call you Mafia for displaying bad arguments in thread, at least in my POV?
Also, consider I'm town. I'm having very different reads from you. I think Moosy doosy is Mafia and I really don't understand how can you town read him.
Do you understand why I think Moosy doosy is Mafia? I am sorry if you think that way but i have displayed zero bad arguments in thread. My arguments on yamato and Slam are in fact really fucking good. My argument on noobking is also good. You are (probably unintentionally) misrepresenting my "argument" on Breshke. So please go back and read what i answered to Moosy. You know i tend to use certainties, if i say "zero reason" it does in fact mean "zero reason in my opinion (at this point)". I push people to contribute, and i pressure them, that's why i use such wording. You should know it, you have played with me enough. I don't undersntad why you think Moosy is mafia. Can you clarify? Or do i need to go read somethign again? Rayn, I'm actually not sure now because his latest posts have good content in them, but his early posting were all fluff and what you could say "post just to post". It's what Breshke did, multiplied. Read his filter and you'll see what I'm talking about. It is an attitude thing. I have played on VS where people tended to post nothing important on D1 before i started playing there. You can usually tell if people are just "hanging around" and most likely town, or mafia who try to say something even semi-game related. I thought that was what Breshke was doing (the latter), but i was probably wrong. I don't see anything wrong in Moosy's early posting. If you have something you feel like i should re-look in a different light please let me know. I understand what you were saying about Breshke. I just think that on early game you can't pick a single post and assume the guy is simply "posting just to post". But if you see the guy doing it in a series of posts, then this would be a hard evidence. Let me show you posts that I think illustrates this better: + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 09:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:01 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. I'm hating everything you post. Have you ever listend to Eminem - Guts Over Fear? He's definitely lost skill but I like his message better nowadays. On September 05 2015 08:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:01 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GlowingBear final anwer, are you claiming a vigilante or not? I am + Show Spoiler + can u be serious plzerino On September 05 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:9. like u can just scroll thru instead of asking miss. On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. On September 05 2015 08:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Eminem - No love
oldie but goodie On September 05 2015 08:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:42 CopCake wrote:
How exactly "rayn calmed down" when I got in?
Couldn't he just calmed down on his own? I was being a funny punny. Zebrahead is actually pretty good too tbh. I like "Falling Apart" the most. On September 05 2015 08:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:HI NOOBKING OMG I LOVE U On September 05 2015 08:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
n00bKing n00bKing. Just a question: Are you mafia? Like, the last post, especially. Why he asks that to noobking? What answer does he expect? mmm...I consider myself the best person in this game to read n00bKing rite now so i know what im doing sir. and everything else i've been doing actually does make sense too. btw have u listened to Eminem - Mockingbird? it's so sad but gr8 m8. kinda funny because the bird got its name for sounding like its mocking people when it's actually not. I don't like Eminem. What did you get from his answer then? im guessing this was the question. 1. eminem doesn't like u. 2. i already said this but n00bKing is town. he's acting like his town game rite now although it would help if u guys stopped antagonizing him. like don't worry he's probably working on a big case right now because that's what he does. he asks a bunch of questions then writes a big case. the reason why rayn probably doesn't know this is because he was in the game where n00bKing was scum and didn't do this. 3. also, the point of me asking him was to set a rapport. the biggest tell in n00bking's scum game is how he posts. he posts more friendly/has more rapport as a scum. however, what he did was respond and then got to business straight away. this leads me to believe him as a town as he focused straight away after acknowledging me. and it's natural for him to acknowledge me because i've been in all of his past games and we've done some good work together. Why can't noobking do point 3 as mafia? n00bking is one of those players that are really bad at faking things as mafia. it was my mistake to not realize it in retrospect but i've learned from that game.
I am actually asking because from what i remember it's not the thing of "being bad at faking stuff".
It's the thing of being unable to understand if the people who know something better (in this case other people - like me/yamato/slam here, or like Rels in the last game) say something there is probably something behind it.
Like if people who know certain people better than he does call them mafia/town, he is jsut incapable of even aknowledging the fact he could be wrong and the rest of the people are right (which btw goes against this):
The name of the game is for the Town players to work together, and create conditions where the Scum players cannot conceal themselves. With that goal in mind, everything rayn does is wrong.
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Moosy i see a certain difference in his play (and in the last game) here and in his play on those games.
He as mafia picks a target and pushes it into oblivion.
He as town, well see my last post and turn it around. He actually listens to other people.
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On September 05 2015 11:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
His filter before I pointed out that he was more friendly was all fluff and relative happiness. I'm not seeing any of that here which leads me to believe that he is town.
I do not consider being friendly / not friendly a tell.
Especially for a player who has played like three games, he would most likely be friendly regardless of alignment in his earlier games.
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On September 05 2015 11:54 CopCake wrote:
Rayn soneji killed you in the other game.
I am laughing so hard.
well he is terrible at mafia.
It's like on TMF, i got vigshot by scum on D1, the obvious conclusion is "rayn shot himself therefore he is mafia".
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tell him he is just as bad as nordlending
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On September 05 2015 11:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:54 CopCake wrote:
Rayn soneji killed you in the other game.
I am laughing so hard. OK I DON'T LIKE COPCAKE RITE NOW.
nah it doesn't mean anything.
it's about the game i was in aswell with her and the deadline was now (while i replaced out already).
thank god there are actually legit hosts on TL, i couldn't play mafia otherwise.
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On September 05 2015 12:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:tell him he is just as bad as nordlending that was the most obvious attempt at pocketing. copcake is playing up the noob/buddy ante really hard rite now.
no we actually talked about this last night, we were getting warnings for "being rude" while acting reasonably (like compare it to how i am acting here in this game, aggressively but reasonably). Then the hosts threaten to modkill me amongst other people when a people start saying things like "this player here sucks this guys dick" and.... ugh...
And yeah the hosts go "if we modkill these people then rayn gets modkilled aswell". haha
I told them to keep their jack and quit.
it's not alignment indicative man.
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hey slam can you make an mspaint picture of how town you are in this game?
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On September 05 2015 12:07 CopCake wrote:
Why am I not asked cute stuff like that?
Either way I dont like how moose is acting towards me, not like I care as a person lol but like he is trying pretty hard to find me mafia when I am not.
he doesn't get the relation of things you say.
it doesn't make him mafia.
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On September 05 2015 12:07 CopCake wrote:
Why am I not asked cute stuff like that?
you should act scummy first, so i can then ask you to do that.
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+ Show Spoiler +hey slam is not mafia but i still want the mspaint so shhhh.......
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On September 05 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 12:05 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 11:57 Breshke wrote:
DMA but yeah this isn't really relevant rn because rayn is probably town and idk about cake but they can never be mafia together rn = right now? DMA = ? Dick move analysis If they were scum together i feel the idle chit chat would be in the scum QT not thread. as i said not that relevant but could be useful later.
Oh we would totally do that in thread if we were both mafia.
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Okay Slam real question is whatcha gonna do?
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On September 05 2015 12:46 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 12:38 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:08 Breshke wrote:
SO when noobking said "Does rayn leap to ridiculous conclusions with no basis as either allegiance? Or only when he's Town?"
He was not being serious rayn. IIRC i think he was responding to yamato and he is trying to imply that you can not be town because you are leaping to ridiculous conclusions. This wasn't actually a question about your meta.
The why doesn't he fucking clarify it? Instead he keeps dancing around the issue and saying something else. Did you play in Newbie Student Mafia XIII? Like it was literally what he did all game long. Someone makes a clear point, he just twists the points into oblivion so noone even remembers the original argument anymore. He's like kitaman when scum, except for kitaman is really fucking good at it. He was asking you some question like about what you ment by your own defininition. From my pov he clearly im taking it as he didn't understand that you didnt ralise his post was sarcastic or w/e. If XIII is the one from mooseys sig then yes i was in it. I also want to add that I think the way noobking is acting towards you(rayn) is fairly anti town/scummy. Antagonizing someone isn't pressure. I don't really see what you are doing noobking as pressuring rayn because i don't see how you would be getting an allighnment read from it. That being said i think the slam thing is a really good place to put my vote right now and it kills two birds with one stone ##Vote Alakaslam Mafia. What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment. Another reason my Rayn respect is high. rayn wasn't even talking about you being scum. If i was doing what you are saying i was doing wouldn't I have put my vote on noobking? Then where are you getting me being mafia from? Confirmed scum. See my vote.
hmm yeah tbh i was.
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slam i am quite disappointed in your mspaintlessness.
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On September 05 2015 12:50 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 12:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay Slam real question is whatcha gonna do? Vote Breshke for badly sleeping your word of mouth and FoS GB for sleeping without cause
why not noobking?
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On September 05 2015 12:51 Breshke wrote:
...because rayn has posted shit all about slam without me prodding/asking.
that's not actually true.
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On September 05 2015 12:53 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 12:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:50 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 12:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay Slam real question is whatcha gonna do? Vote Breshke for badly sleeping your word of mouth and FoS GB for sleeping without cause why not noobking? Because noodling actually believes wha the is saying.
what makes you think that?
like i am going to be honest here. when you started your catch-up i was pretty sure you were town because you showed enthusiasm towards the game (which you usually lack as scum) and you were saying stuff that was reasonable and you were focusing on stuff that was actually relevant at the start of the game (like the reads on me/yamato).
However, the more you went on you derived away from ACTUALLY RELEVANT stuff in the game (which i would think is MY posts (if you TRULY think i am town, and you are town - because that's what you do when you are town).
So, why do you suddenly unfocus on my posts while calling me town?
You do not usually do that.
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On September 05 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:51 Breshke wrote:
...because rayn has posted shit all about slam without me prodding/asking. that's not actually true. Here are all your posts i can find about slam before i asked about the read Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:yamato i am almost certain Slam is mafia. Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:56 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think baiting rayn into getting angry is the right way to be playing this D1.
He's been fairly obvious town so far. glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work. idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see. I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why? Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 07:46 Breshke wrote:
So do we just sit back and wait for the yamato/rayn magic to happen? This was Breshke's post. In this his tone is sarcastic which matches his general acerbic posting. I don't see why you would say this: On September 05 2015 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 08:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:
Of all the people in the game, I have the least reasons to like GB's posting. I want him to answer me. I dislike Breshke the most. The "do we just wait yamato/rayn magic to happen" is out of place as he doesn't even think either of us is necessarily town and idk.. it's jsut totally out of place, the whole post. Like is anyone even suggesting anything like that? Or like following your suggestion that "we should destroy mafia rayn"... Like that doesn't mean we will jsut own the thread and noone else has nothing to say about anything. meh.. idk how to explain, the post is just terrible, doesn't make any sense and the timing goes along the same path. I feel like it's NAI. It's probably a mix of pun and an observation. If yo uboth are town then you both are going to show something for it. and if u don't then it's an easy way to make some reads off of making an inner circle early on yeah? just some thoughts Of course we are. The reason i am reading yamato town is because i talked with him on TS last night and he has rolled mafia for like 5 games in a row or something and i told him "hey let's wreck mafia if we are both town, it would be nice to play with you when you are actually town and play". He basically promised to play in his first post, because he seems interested in the game and happy. If it's a fake post then i will 100% figure it out based on his play AFTERWARDS, but as per now there is zero reason to think yamato is mafia. I don't really get what you are saying here. Like are you suggesting posts that do not make any sense and do not help town find mafia are not scummy? Because in my opinion they are. Again there was no reason for him to make the post from town perspective, hell he himself clarified that already. Like obviously he is not 100% mafia, which is why i am not voting for him, but that was a HUGE red flag for me. So if Breshke is town he better shape up, because he is actually a decent player when he plays, and i expect everyone who is town to play. What he did so far is far from decent. Superbia can go to townpile aswell. l0l ok. thnx for the background story which helps make ur and yamato's posts make sense. and no im not saying what ur saying doesn't make sense. what i AM saying is that ur nitpicking over a post. because i actually thought that u and yamato associating with each other was a bit strange and i was looking to see what u guys did further. I always nitpick over posts. That's how you find scum. And yes the latter part of your post is reasonable, that's how i would think people react. It's not how Breshke reacted though... He's basically saying he's waiting to see what you guys will do but you're saying that's not what he said? Also thoughts on the evolution of your read on Breshke. At first you think he's very likely to be Mafia then seem to waffle and say we'll have to see later on. Also around this time you seem to want to kill GlowingBear. I don't like how you give up one thing when GlowingBear starts to seem like a better lynch target with his terrible shenanigans. Here is my read evolution of Breshke: - I saw a post i think makes no sense from town perspective. - I asked him about it. - He answered, and then i said "it does not make any sense from town perspective". - I pushed him further, because i wanted a reaction (a better elaboration, in case he is town) and i wanted to make sure he knows i have my eyes on him because he CAN be lazy as town, but if he is town i don't want to allow him to be lazy, and i wanted him to know he does know that. - He said "okay, my post was indeed fluff, but idk what to expect from people at that point of the game" - That makes sense to me, i didn't even originally think about that. But now that he said it it makes a bit more sense. - Then i responded him basically with saying "if you are town you will play, okay" - After that his posting has been better, so i have a reason to believe he is not in fact mafia -> his behavior now to me makes more sense. I focused onto both Breshke and Glowingbear at the same time. I already knew what i would say regarding how GB answers me. I want to cut out the stupidity from this game. Again, i have not been pushing GB, and again, i don't even care if he is mafia or not, he earned himself a spot in "ignore pile", if someone else wants to figure him out do it. I think it's more likely that he is mafia fro what i have said but i am not sure. My "timing" on Breshke/GB thing has nothing to do with anything for reals. I think the most likely people who are mafia in this game atm are Slam & Noobking. Tell me where you talked about slam so much that I as mafia would have thought voting slam is thread sentiment.
I am not talking about thread sentiment and neither is Slam.
He is saying that if you are mafia you very well know what i mean and you know it's a reason to call Slam mafia, even without me ACTUALLY saying it.
Which i totally agree with it.
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On September 05 2015 13:02 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 12:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:53 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 12:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:50 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 12:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay Slam real question is whatcha gonna do? Vote Breshke for badly sleeping your word of mouth and FoS GB for sleeping without cause why not noobking? Because noodling actually believes wha the is saying. what makes you think that? like i am going to be honest here. when you started your catch-up i was pretty sure you were town because you showed enthusiasm towards the game (which you usually lack as scum) and you were saying stuff that was reasonable and you were focusing on stuff that was actually relevant at the start of the game (like the reads on me/yamato). However, the more you went on you derived away from ACTUALLY RELEVANT stuff in the game (which i would think is MY posts (if you TRULY think i am town, and you are town - because that's what you do when you are town). So, why do you suddenly unfocus on my posts while calling me town? You do not usually do that. 1. Demotivation (dying to "be gone get lynched" is really demotivational) 2. I was focusing on you, but you were pretty wrong while noobking kept himself consistent and had *meh* but acceptable defenses of me that made sense (people were scamming me based on ONE POST! Would I even be that seriously terrible as scum? Am I that stupid to not know that such severe lurking is not going to result in survival?) At your first question, noobking strikes me as genuine. He is not cleared town but he makes sense to me. He could be pocketing me but o don't see why I would be a worthy pocket target.
This does not make a whole lot of sense.
I do not think you are mafia because of what you have posted. I think you could be mafia because of what you ahve NOT posted, things i would THINK YOU DO POST as town.
If you think i am wrong, you clearly express it in your way, always. Why do you not do it here without someone asking you to do it?
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On September 05 2015 13:06 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:51 Breshke wrote:
...because rayn has posted shit all about slam without me prodding/asking. that's not actually true. Here are all your posts i can find about slam before i asked about the read On September 05 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:yamato i am almost certain Slam is mafia. On September 05 2015 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:56 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think baiting rayn into getting angry is the right way to be playing this D1.
He's been fairly obvious town so far. glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work. idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see. I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why? On September 05 2015 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 07:46 Breshke wrote:
So do we just sit back and wait for the yamato/rayn magic to happen? This was Breshke's post. In this his tone is sarcastic which matches his general acerbic posting. I don't see why you would say this: On September 05 2015 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 08:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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I feel like it's NAI. It's probably a mix of pun and an observation. If yo uboth are town then you both are going to show something for it. and if u don't then it's an easy way to make some reads off of making an inner circle early on yeah? just some thoughts Of course we are. The reason i am reading yamato town is because i talked with him on TS last night and he has rolled mafia for like 5 games in a row or something and i told him "hey let's wreck mafia if we are both town, it would be nice to play with you when you are actually town and play". He basically promised to play in his first post, because he seems interested in the game and happy. If it's a fake post then i will 100% figure it out based on his play AFTERWARDS, but as per now there is zero reason to think yamato is mafia. I don't really get what you are saying here. Like are you suggesting posts that do not make any sense and do not help town find mafia are not scummy? Because in my opinion they are. Again there was no reason for him to make the post from town perspective, hell he himself clarified that already. Like obviously he is not 100% mafia, which is why i am not voting for him, but that was a HUGE red flag for me. So if Breshke is town he better shape up, because he is actually a decent player when he plays, and i expect everyone who is town to play. What he did so far is far from decent. Superbia can go to townpile aswell. l0l ok. thnx for the background story which helps make ur and yamato's posts make sense. and no im not saying what ur saying doesn't make sense. what i AM saying is that ur nitpicking over a post. because i actually thought that u and yamato associating with each other was a bit strange and i was looking to see what u guys did further. I always nitpick over posts. That's how you find scum. And yes the latter part of your post is reasonable, that's how i would think people react. It's not how Breshke reacted though... He's basically saying he's waiting to see what you guys will do but you're saying that's not what he said? Also thoughts on the evolution of your read on Breshke. At first you think he's very likely to be Mafia then seem to waffle and say we'll have to see later on. Also around this time you seem to want to kill GlowingBear. I don't like how you give up one thing when GlowingBear starts to seem like a better lynch target with his terrible shenanigans. Here is my read evolution of Breshke: - I saw a post i think makes no sense from town perspective. - I asked him about it. - He answered, and then i said "it does not make any sense from town perspective". - I pushed him further, because i wanted a reaction (a better elaboration, in case he is town) and i wanted to make sure he knows i have my eyes on him because he CAN be lazy as town, but if he is town i don't want to allow him to be lazy, and i wanted him to know he does know that. - He said "okay, my post was indeed fluff, but idk what to expect from people at that point of the game" - That makes sense to me, i didn't even originally think about that. But now that he said it it makes a bit more sense. - Then i responded him basically with saying "if you are town you will play, okay" - After that his posting has been better, so i have a reason to believe he is not in fact mafia -> his behavior now to me makes more sense. I focused onto both Breshke and Glowingbear at the same time. I already knew what i would say regarding how GB answers me. I want to cut out the stupidity from this game. Again, i have not been pushing GB, and again, i don't even care if he is mafia or not, he earned himself a spot in "ignore pile", if someone else wants to figure him out do it. I think it's more likely that he is mafia fro what i have said but i am not sure. My "timing" on Breshke/GB thing has nothing to do with anything for reals. I think the most likely people who are mafia in this game atm are Slam & Noobking. Tell me where you talked about slam so much that I as mafia would have thought voting slam is thread sentiment. I am not talking about thread sentiment and neither is Slam. He is saying that if you are mafia you very well know what i mean and you know it's a reason to call Slam mafia, even without me ACTUALLY saying it. Which i totally agree with it. Im kinda getting confused here. Slam is exactly saying I am mafia because im pushing him and my only reason for pushing him is because i thought it was thread sentiment because you were pushing him Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:08 Breshke wrote:
SO when noobking said "Does rayn leap to ridiculous conclusions with no basis as either allegiance? Or only when he's Town?"
He was not being serious rayn. IIRC i think he was responding to yamato and he is trying to imply that you can not be town because you are leaping to ridiculous conclusions. This wasn't actually a question about your meta.
The why doesn't he fucking clarify it? Instead he keeps dancing around the issue and saying something else. Did you play in Newbie Student Mafia XIII? Like it was literally what he did all game long. Someone makes a clear point, he just twists the points into oblivion so noone even remembers the original argument anymore. He's like kitaman when scum, except for kitaman is really fucking good at it. He was asking you some question like about what you ment by your own defininition. From my pov he clearly im taking it as he didn't understand that you didnt ralise his post was sarcastic or w/e. If XIII is the one from mooseys sig then yes i was in it. I also want to add that I think the way noobking is acting towards you(rayn) is fairly anti town/scummy. Antagonizing someone isn't pressure. I don't really see what you are doing noobking as pressuring rayn because i don't see how you would be getting an allighnment read from it. That being said i think the slam thing is a really good place to put my vote right now and it kills two birds with one stone ##Vote Alakaslam Mafia. What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment. Another reason my Rayn respect is high.
Yes, you could be "sheeping me" because you know i think Slam could be mafia for the same reasons you laid out.
That's what he is saying, or like, that's his conclusion. Which is not totally out of this world.
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On September 05 2015 13:08 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 13:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:02 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 12:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:53 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 12:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:50 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 12:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay Slam real question is whatcha gonna do? Vote Breshke for badly sleeping your word of mouth and FoS GB for sleeping without cause why not noobking? Because noodling actually believes wha the is saying. what makes you think that? like i am going to be honest here. when you started your catch-up i was pretty sure you were town because you showed enthusiasm towards the game (which you usually lack as scum) and you were saying stuff that was reasonable and you were focusing on stuff that was actually relevant at the start of the game (like the reads on me/yamato). However, the more you went on you derived away from ACTUALLY RELEVANT stuff in the game (which i would think is MY posts (if you TRULY think i am town, and you are town - because that's what you do when you are town). So, why do you suddenly unfocus on my posts while calling me town? You do not usually do that. 1. Demotivation (dying to "be gone get lynched" is really demotivational) 2. I was focusing on you, but you were pretty wrong while noobking kept himself consistent and had *meh* but acceptable defenses of me that made sense (people were scamming me based on ONE POST! Would I even be that seriously terrible as scum? Am I that stupid to not know that such severe lurking is not going to result in survival?) At your first question, noobking strikes me as genuine. He is not cleared town but he makes sense to me. He could be pocketing me but o don't see why I would be a worthy pocket target. This does not make a whole lot of sense. I do not think you are mafia because of what you have posted. I think you could be mafia because of what you ahve NOT posted, things i would THINK YOU DO POST as town. If you think i am wrong, you clearly express it in your way, always. Why do you not do it here without someone asking you to do it? I lost your meaning in this.
basically dumbed down, when you think i am town you sheep me and pay attention to what i say and comment on it.
here you do the opposite.
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On September 05 2015 13:11 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 13:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:02 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 12:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:53 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 12:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:50 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 12:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay Slam real question is whatcha gonna do? Vote Breshke for badly sleeping your word of mouth and FoS GB for sleeping without cause why not noobking? Because noodling actually believes wha the is saying. what makes you think that? like i am going to be honest here. when you started your catch-up i was pretty sure you were town because you showed enthusiasm towards the game (which you usually lack as scum) and you were saying stuff that was reasonable and you were focusing on stuff that was actually relevant at the start of the game (like the reads on me/yamato). However, the more you went on you derived away from ACTUALLY RELEVANT stuff in the game (which i would think is MY posts (if you TRULY think i am town, and you are town - because that's what you do when you are town). So, why do you suddenly unfocus on my posts while calling me town? You do not usually do that. 1. Demotivation (dying to "be gone get lynched" is really demotivational) 2. I was focusing on you, but you were pretty wrong while noobking kept himself consistent and had *meh* but acceptable defenses of me that made sense (people were scamming me based on ONE POST! Would I even be that seriously terrible as scum? Am I that stupid to not know that such severe lurking is not going to result in survival?) At your first question, noobking strikes me as genuine. He is not cleared town but he makes sense to me. He could be pocketing me but o don't see why I would be a worthy pocket target. This does not make a whole lot of sense. I do not think you are mafia because of what you have posted. I think you could be mafia because of what you ahve NOT posted, things i would THINK YOU DO POST as town. If you think i am wrong, you clearly express it in your way, always. Why do you not do it here without someone asking you to do it? I see it Breshke already said that. I WAS NOT CAPABLE OF POSTING I HAD TO DEPOSIT A CHECK THE BANK WAS NOT CLOSE TO HOME I HAD TO GO TO RABOBANK, THERE LIES THE GREAT COMPANY ACCOUNT OF ALAKAMASTER (your boss is your master and you are a willing slave) AND THE DINERO WAS MUY FUERTE GRANDE Y IMPORTANTE DID I SERIOUSLY JUST DO THAT THE MONEY WAS BIG AND STRONG AND IMPORTANT LOL
but you literally caught up, and again:
On September 05 2015 13:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 13:08 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:02 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 12:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:53 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 12:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:50 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 12:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay Slam real question is whatcha gonna do? Vote Breshke for badly sleeping your word of mouth and FoS GB for sleeping without cause why not noobking? Because noodling actually believes wha the is saying. what makes you think that? like i am going to be honest here. when you started your catch-up i was pretty sure you were town because you showed enthusiasm towards the game (which you usually lack as scum) and you were saying stuff that was reasonable and you were focusing on stuff that was actually relevant at the start of the game (like the reads on me/yamato). However, the more you went on you derived away from ACTUALLY RELEVANT stuff in the game (which i would think is MY posts (if you TRULY think i am town, and you are town - because that's what you do when you are town). So, why do you suddenly unfocus on my posts while calling me town? You do not usually do that. 1. Demotivation (dying to "be gone get lynched" is really demotivational) 2. I was focusing on you, but you were pretty wrong while noobking kept himself consistent and had *meh* but acceptable defenses of me that made sense (people were scamming me based on ONE POST! Would I even be that seriously terrible as scum? Am I that stupid to not know that such severe lurking is not going to result in survival?) At your first question, noobking strikes me as genuine. He is not cleared town but he makes sense to me. He could be pocketing me but o don't see why I would be a worthy pocket target. This does not make a whole lot of sense. I do not think you are mafia because of what you have posted. I think you could be mafia because of what you ahve NOT posted, things i would THINK YOU DO POST as town. If you think i am wrong, you clearly express it in your way, always. Why do you not do it here without someone asking you to do it? I lost your meaning in this. basically dumbed down, when you think i am town you sheep me and pay attention to what i say and comment on it. here you do the opposite.
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On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 13:15 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:06 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:51 Breshke wrote:
...because rayn has posted shit all about slam without me prodding/asking. that's not actually true. Here are all your posts i can find about slam before i asked about the read On September 05 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:yamato i am almost certain Slam is mafia. On September 05 2015 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:56 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think baiting rayn into getting angry is the right way to be playing this D1.
He's been fairly obvious town so far. glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work. idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see. I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why? On September 05 2015 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 07:46 Breshke wrote:
So do we just sit back and wait for the yamato/rayn magic to happen? This was Breshke's post. In this his tone is sarcastic which matches his general acerbic posting. I don't see why you would say this: On September 05 2015 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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and no im not saying what ur saying doesn't make sense. what i AM saying is that ur nitpicking over a post. because i actually thought that u and yamato associating with each other was a bit strange and i was looking to see what u guys did further. I always nitpick over posts. That's how you find scum. And yes the latter part of your post is reasonable, that's how i would think people react. It's not how Breshke reacted though... He's basically saying he's waiting to see what you guys will do but you're saying that's not what he said? Also thoughts on the evolution of your read on Breshke. At first you think he's very likely to be Mafia then seem to waffle and say we'll have to see later on. Also around this time you seem to want to kill GlowingBear. I don't like how you give up one thing when GlowingBear starts to seem like a better lynch target with his terrible shenanigans. Here is my read evolution of Breshke: - I saw a post i think makes no sense from town perspective. - I asked him about it. - He answered, and then i said "it does not make any sense from town perspective". - I pushed him further, because i wanted a reaction (a better elaboration, in case he is town) and i wanted to make sure he knows i have my eyes on him because he CAN be lazy as town, but if he is town i don't want to allow him to be lazy, and i wanted him to know he does know that. - He said "okay, my post was indeed fluff, but idk what to expect from people at that point of the game" - That makes sense to me, i didn't even originally think about that. But now that he said it it makes a bit more sense. - Then i responded him basically with saying "if you are town you will play, okay" - After that his posting has been better, so i have a reason to believe he is not in fact mafia -> his behavior now to me makes more sense. I focused onto both Breshke and Glowingbear at the same time. I already knew what i would say regarding how GB answers me. I want to cut out the stupidity from this game. Again, i have not been pushing GB, and again, i don't even care if he is mafia or not, he earned himself a spot in "ignore pile", if someone else wants to figure him out do it. I think it's more likely that he is mafia fro what i have said but i am not sure. My "timing" on Breshke/GB thing has nothing to do with anything for reals. I think the most likely people who are mafia in this game atm are Slam & Noobking. Tell me where you talked about slam so much that I as mafia would have thought voting slam is thread sentiment. I am not talking about thread sentiment and neither is Slam. He is saying that if you are mafia you very well know what i mean and you know it's a reason to call Slam mafia, even without me ACTUALLY saying it. Which i totally agree with it. Im kinda getting confused here. Slam is exactly saying I am mafia because im pushing him and my only reason for pushing him is because i thought it was thread sentiment because you were pushing him On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:08 Breshke wrote:
SO when noobking said "Does rayn leap to ridiculous conclusions with no basis as either allegiance? Or only when he's Town?"
He was not being serious rayn. IIRC i think he was responding to yamato and he is trying to imply that you can not be town because you are leaping to ridiculous conclusions. This wasn't actually a question about your meta.
The why doesn't he fucking clarify it? Instead he keeps dancing around the issue and saying something else. Did you play in Newbie Student Mafia XIII? Like it was literally what he did all game long. Someone makes a clear point, he just twists the points into oblivion so noone even remembers the original argument anymore. He's like kitaman when scum, except for kitaman is really fucking good at it. He was asking you some question like about what you ment by your own defininition. From my pov he clearly im taking it as he didn't understand that you didnt ralise his post was sarcastic or w/e. If XIII is the one from mooseys sig then yes i was in it. I also want to add that I think the way noobking is acting towards you(rayn) is fairly anti town/scummy. Antagonizing someone isn't pressure. I don't really see what you are doing noobking as pressuring rayn because i don't see how you would be getting an allighnment read from it. That being said i think the slam thing is a really good place to put my vote right now and it kills two birds with one stone ##Vote Alakaslam Mafia. What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment. Another reason my Rayn respect is high. Yes, you could be "sheeping me" because you know i think Slam could be mafia for the same reasons you laid out. That's what he is saying, or like, that's his conclusion. Which is not totally out of this world. I see what you are saying but i don't see how the comment that "i think I am following thread sentiment even though its just you and you've posted a lot" fits in when you had hardly talked about it. Like if i then think oh rayn is going to scumread slam for this reason ill do it first because that would be good. Then no im not following thread sentiment im trying to pocket you or w/e. What slam originally said didn't make sense and when I pointed it out he didn't say that I was misunderstanding him so im not going to assume that he ment something else when it is clear to me what he said doesn't make sense. Dude is this your first time being scum? For your next game: you skimmed the thread and picked up on the general few people weakly agreeing with what Rayn mentioned all the time in passing and made a few strong key statements about. This made you think there was good reason and thread sentiment there to get me lynched. Rayn has been dissonant In a way the people at smashboards think is a tell (I am a little surprised none of the newbies except NK picked up on it) because they aren't so good as they think they are. Rayn has talked about me in a post saying I am just shy of confirmed scum and then voted someone else. He was pushing me hard, saying a good bit about NK, and then BAM- votes NK, not me. That's usually considered scummy, but I know what he is doing and besides it isn't actually as scummy as people think. Regardless, it threw you off but set you up with an excuse to vote me. This is also why k am hoping GB is on your team.
Doesn't this mean noobking would have to be mafia in order to Breshke be mafia?
Otherwise the "throwing off" makes very little sense.
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On September 05 2015 13:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:15 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:06 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:51 Breshke wrote:
...because rayn has posted shit all about slam without me prodding/asking. that's not actually true. Here are all your posts i can find about slam before i asked about the read On September 05 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:yamato i am almost certain Slam is mafia. On September 05 2015 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:56 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think baiting rayn into getting angry is the right way to be playing this D1.
He's been fairly obvious town so far. glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work. idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see. I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why? On September 05 2015 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 07:46 Breshke wrote:
So do we just sit back and wait for the yamato/rayn magic to happen? This was Breshke's post. In this his tone is sarcastic which matches his general acerbic posting. I don't see why you would say this: On September 05 2015 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:[quote] I always nitpick over posts. That's how you find scum. And yes the latter part of your post is reasonable, that's how i would think people react. It's not how Breshke reacted though... He's basically saying he's waiting to see what you guys will do but you're saying that's not what he said? Also thoughts on the evolution of your read on Breshke. At first you think he's very likely to be Mafia then seem to waffle and say we'll have to see later on. Also around this time you seem to want to kill GlowingBear. I don't like how you give up one thing when GlowingBear starts to seem like a better lynch target with his terrible shenanigans. Here is my read evolution of Breshke: - I saw a post i think makes no sense from town perspective. - I asked him about it. - He answered, and then i said "it does not make any sense from town perspective". - I pushed him further, because i wanted a reaction (a better elaboration, in case he is town) and i wanted to make sure he knows i have my eyes on him because he CAN be lazy as town, but if he is town i don't want to allow him to be lazy, and i wanted him to know he does know that. - He said "okay, my post was indeed fluff, but idk what to expect from people at that point of the game" - That makes sense to me, i didn't even originally think about that. But now that he said it it makes a bit more sense. - Then i responded him basically with saying "if you are town you will play, okay" - After that his posting has been better, so i have a reason to believe he is not in fact mafia -> his behavior now to me makes more sense. I focused onto both Breshke and Glowingbear at the same time. I already knew what i would say regarding how GB answers me. I want to cut out the stupidity from this game. Again, i have not been pushing GB, and again, i don't even care if he is mafia or not, he earned himself a spot in "ignore pile", if someone else wants to figure him out do it. I think it's more likely that he is mafia fro what i have said but i am not sure. My "timing" on Breshke/GB thing has nothing to do with anything for reals. I think the most likely people who are mafia in this game atm are Slam & Noobking. Tell me where you talked about slam so much that I as mafia would have thought voting slam is thread sentiment. I am not talking about thread sentiment and neither is Slam. He is saying that if you are mafia you very well know what i mean and you know it's a reason to call Slam mafia, even without me ACTUALLY saying it. Which i totally agree with it. Im kinda getting confused here. Slam is exactly saying I am mafia because im pushing him and my only reason for pushing him is because i thought it was thread sentiment because you were pushing him On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:08 Breshke wrote:
SO when noobking said "Does rayn leap to ridiculous conclusions with no basis as either allegiance? Or only when he's Town?"
He was not being serious rayn. IIRC i think he was responding to yamato and he is trying to imply that you can not be town because you are leaping to ridiculous conclusions. This wasn't actually a question about your meta.
The why doesn't he fucking clarify it? Instead he keeps dancing around the issue and saying something else. Did you play in Newbie Student Mafia XIII? Like it was literally what he did all game long. Someone makes a clear point, he just twists the points into oblivion so noone even remembers the original argument anymore. He's like kitaman when scum, except for kitaman is really fucking good at it. He was asking you some question like about what you ment by your own defininition. From my pov he clearly im taking it as he didn't understand that you didnt ralise his post was sarcastic or w/e. If XIII is the one from mooseys sig then yes i was in it. I also want to add that I think the way noobking is acting towards you(rayn) is fairly anti town/scummy. Antagonizing someone isn't pressure. I don't really see what you are doing noobking as pressuring rayn because i don't see how you would be getting an allighnment read from it. That being said i think the slam thing is a really good place to put my vote right now and it kills two birds with one stone ##Vote Alakaslam Mafia. What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment. Another reason my Rayn respect is high. Yes, you could be "sheeping me" because you know i think Slam could be mafia for the same reasons you laid out. That's what he is saying, or like, that's his conclusion. Which is not totally out of this world. I see what you are saying but i don't see how the comment that "i think I am following thread sentiment even though its just you and you've posted a lot" fits in when you had hardly talked about it. Like if i then think oh rayn is going to scumread slam for this reason ill do it first because that would be good. Then no im not following thread sentiment im trying to pocket you or w/e. What slam originally said didn't make sense and when I pointed it out he didn't say that I was misunderstanding him so im not going to assume that he ment something else when it is clear to me what he said doesn't make sense. Dude is this your first time being scum? For your next game: you skimmed the thread and picked up on the general few people weakly agreeing with what Rayn mentioned all the time in passing and made a few strong key statements about. This made you think there was good reason and thread sentiment there to get me lynched. Rayn has been dissonant In a way the people at smashboards think is a tell (I am a little surprised none of the newbies except NK picked up on it) because they aren't so good as they think they are. Rayn has talked about me in a post saying I am just shy of confirmed scum and then voted someone else. He was pushing me hard, saying a good bit about NK, and then BAM- votes NK, not me. That's usually considered scummy, but I know what he is doing and besides it isn't actually as scummy as people think. Regardless, it threw you off but set you up with an excuse to vote me. This is also why k am hoping GB is on your team. Doesn't this mean noobking would have to be mafia in order to Breshke be mafia? Otherwise the "throwing off" makes very little sense.
Slam, i still want you to answer this. This post:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 13:52 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 13:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:15 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:06 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:51 Breshke wrote:
...because rayn has posted shit all about slam without me prodding/asking. that's not actually true. Here are all your posts i can find about slam before i asked about the read On September 05 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:yamato i am almost certain Slam is mafia. On September 05 2015 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:56 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think baiting rayn into getting angry is the right way to be playing this D1.
He's been fairly obvious town so far. glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work. idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see. I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why? On September 05 2015 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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This was Breshke's post. In this his tone is sarcastic which matches his general acerbic posting.
I don't see why you would say this:
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He's basically saying he's waiting to see what you guys will do but you're saying that's not what he said?
Also thoughts on the evolution of your read on Breshke. At first you think he's very likely to be Mafia then seem to waffle and say we'll have to see later on. Also around this time you seem to want to kill GlowingBear. I don't like how you give up one thing when GlowingBear starts to seem like a better lynch target with his terrible shenanigans. Here is my read evolution of Breshke: - I saw a post i think makes no sense from town perspective. - I asked him about it. - He answered, and then i said "it does not make any sense from town perspective". - I pushed him further, because i wanted a reaction (a better elaboration, in case he is town) and i wanted to make sure he knows i have my eyes on him because he CAN be lazy as town, but if he is town i don't want to allow him to be lazy, and i wanted him to know he does know that. - He said "okay, my post was indeed fluff, but idk what to expect from people at that point of the game" - That makes sense to me, i didn't even originally think about that. But now that he said it it makes a bit more sense. - Then i responded him basically with saying "if you are town you will play, okay" - After that his posting has been better, so i have a reason to believe he is not in fact mafia -> his behavior now to me makes more sense. I focused onto both Breshke and Glowingbear at the same time. I already knew what i would say regarding how GB answers me. I want to cut out the stupidity from this game. Again, i have not been pushing GB, and again, i don't even care if he is mafia or not, he earned himself a spot in "ignore pile", if someone else wants to figure him out do it. I think it's more likely that he is mafia fro what i have said but i am not sure. My "timing" on Breshke/GB thing has nothing to do with anything for reals. I think the most likely people who are mafia in this game atm are Slam & Noobking. Tell me where you talked about slam so much that I as mafia would have thought voting slam is thread sentiment. I am not talking about thread sentiment and neither is Slam. He is saying that if you are mafia you very well know what i mean and you know it's a reason to call Slam mafia, even without me ACTUALLY saying it. Which i totally agree with it. Im kinda getting confused here. Slam is exactly saying I am mafia because im pushing him and my only reason for pushing him is because i thought it was thread sentiment because you were pushing him On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:08 Breshke wrote:
SO when noobking said "Does rayn leap to ridiculous conclusions with no basis as either allegiance? Or only when he's Town?"
He was not being serious rayn. IIRC i think he was responding to yamato and he is trying to imply that you can not be town because you are leaping to ridiculous conclusions. This wasn't actually a question about your meta.
The why doesn't he fucking clarify it? Instead he keeps dancing around the issue and saying something else. Did you play in Newbie Student Mafia XIII? Like it was literally what he did all game long. Someone makes a clear point, he just twists the points into oblivion so noone even remembers the original argument anymore. He's like kitaman when scum, except for kitaman is really fucking good at it. He was asking you some question like about what you ment by your own defininition. From my pov he clearly im taking it as he didn't understand that you didnt ralise his post was sarcastic or w/e. If XIII is the one from mooseys sig then yes i was in it. I also want to add that I think the way noobking is acting towards you(rayn) is fairly anti town/scummy. Antagonizing someone isn't pressure. I don't really see what you are doing noobking as pressuring rayn because i don't see how you would be getting an allighnment read from it. That being said i think the slam thing is a really good place to put my vote right now and it kills two birds with one stone ##Vote Alakaslam Mafia. What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment. Another reason my Rayn respect is high. Yes, you could be "sheeping me" because you know i think Slam could be mafia for the same reasons you laid out. That's what he is saying, or like, that's his conclusion. Which is not totally out of this world. I see what you are saying but i don't see how the comment that "i think I am following thread sentiment even though its just you and you've posted a lot" fits in when you had hardly talked about it. Like if i then think oh rayn is going to scumread slam for this reason ill do it first because that would be good. Then no im not following thread sentiment im trying to pocket you or w/e. What slam originally said didn't make sense and when I pointed it out he didn't say that I was misunderstanding him so im not going to assume that he ment something else when it is clear to me what he said doesn't make sense. Dude is this your first time being scum? For your next game: you skimmed the thread and picked up on the general few people weakly agreeing with what Rayn mentioned all the time in passing and made a few strong key statements about. This made you think there was good reason and thread sentiment there to get me lynched. Rayn has been dissonant In a way the people at smashboards think is a tell (I am a little surprised none of the newbies except NK picked up on it) because they aren't so good as they think they are. Rayn has talked about me in a post saying I am just shy of confirmed scum and then voted someone else. He was pushing me hard, saying a good bit about NK, and then BAM- votes NK, not me. That's usually considered scummy, but I know what he is doing and besides it isn't actually as scummy as people think. Regardless, it threw you off but set you up with an excuse to vote me. This is also why k am hoping GB is on your team. Doesn't this mean noobking would have to be mafia in order to Breshke be mafia? Otherwise the "throwing off" makes very little sense. I can't see that world. If noob was scum with bresh he would not defend me, he would vote me. Or he would tell bresh to stfu
... does not really answer anything.
Basically you are saying that "rayn went -BAM, votes for n00bking. That threw Breshke off".
Now if you assume Breske is mafia for that -> trying to find a different target because he got "thrown off" that has to mean n00bking is mafia, because otherwise there is no reason for Breshke to be "thrown off".
Like your argument is "Breshke is mafia because he got thrown off for rayn suddenly voting for a townie".
It makes literally no sense.
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On September 06 2015 01:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
n00bKing. For one moment, say that you believe that rayn is town. Who would you look at next if that was the case?
That's not really wise. If he thinks i am mafia he should argue why i am mafia instead of arguing why other people are mafia.
Which he isn't doing. And i have already answered every single point he has brought up on me. He doesn't even argue about that..
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On September 06 2015 00:53 boxerfred wrote:
Hello guys, just chiming in to say "yo I'm here". Currently reading up the thread, I got like 1-2 hours time as of now. Are there any questions directed to me in a direct way? Really willing to contribute here but I don't have much time until monday.
There are arguments against me, noobking and alakaslam atm.
Can you go read them and give your opinions on them?
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GlowingBear your vote isn't very good.
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On September 06 2015 01:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 01:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
n00bKing. For one moment, say that you believe that rayn is town. Who would you look at next if that was the case? That's not really wise. If he thinks i am mafia he should argue why i am mafia instead of arguing why other people are mafia. Which he isn't doing. And i have already answered every single point he has brought up on me. He doesn't even argue about that.. Yes, but at times n00bKing can get a bit too focused on one person which becomes the lynchpin of his argument. I just want to know where he would look if he thought that you weren't Mafia for one moment. Also thoughts on Alakaslam x GlowingBear? idk why but I feel that both come out looking more town from that interaction.
I have a problem with what i just asked Alakaslam, i kinda can understand his other stuff. Except that when he was catching up he somehow completely ignored me, which i would think he would not do as town.
idk about GB, he's been better after the start, but i think his vote is terrible. I don't think scott is mafia, he is a low-volume poster and gets lynched for it in almost all the games for no reason. His post was good.
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On September 06 2015 02:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
rayn were u harboring legit suspicions on Alakaslam earlier?
Yes, i genuinely think when he posts jsut before the game start and when the game starts makes one post that's "sad" he is scum.
Obviously this in not 100% certain thing but generally:
- happy slam is town
- sad slam is mafia
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On September 06 2015 02:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
rayn were u harboring legit suspicions on Alakaslam earlier? Yes, i genuinely think when he posts jsut before the game start and when the game starts makes one post that's "sad" he is scum. Obviously this in not 100% certain thing but generally: - happy slam is town - sad slam is mafia ohhhkay, then i actually think slam is town because of this: Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 14:33 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 14:23 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 13:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Slam, rayn did not cast suspicions on you so he could catch lazy mafia trying to lynch town slam. Agree. I never claimed that. I claimed Rayn push had an unintended side effect
I don't understand, how does that have anything to do with what i said?
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Superbia said he's gonna be afk for saturday so i don't think that means anything.
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ehh i don't get why CoughingHydra calls Breshke mafia(?) for his case on Slam, because anyone who has read the thread and actually thinks why people say what they do would know it's in fact my case.
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On September 06 2015 02:13 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia said he's gonna be afk for saturday so i don't think that means anything. yeah but he wasn't even super townie when he was here
I think he was the most towniest person besides you when he was here.
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On September 06 2015 02:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 06 2015 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
rayn were u harboring legit suspicions on Alakaslam earlier? Yes, i genuinely think when he posts jsut before the game start and when the game starts makes one post that's "sad" he is scum. Obviously this in not 100% certain thing but generally: - happy slam is town - sad slam is mafia ohhhkay, then i actually think slam is town because of this: On September 05 2015 14:33 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 14:23 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 13:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Slam, rayn did not cast suspicions on you so he could catch lazy mafia trying to lynch town slam. Agree. I never claimed that. I claimed Rayn push had an unintended side effect I don't understand, how does that have anything to do with what i said? basically slam said that u were suspecting him but was pushing n00bKing more: Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 13:51 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:35 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 13:28 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:27 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:17 GlowingBear wrote:
SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAM
FITE ME PERFECT COME TO YOUR DOOM ![[image loading]](http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-421228bc485b3054b4ba9a717ca309eb?convert_to_webp=true) The old man will win He looks pretty young to me. There is a bear in the cage. Just FYI Slam, rayn did not cast suspicions on you so he could catch lazy mafia trying to lynch town slam. Otherwise, he would be on Breshke's and mine skin before you. It looked like a pressure vote. Rayn was genuinely suspicious of me because of meta. Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 13:55 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:35 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:15 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:06 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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that's not actually true. Here are all your posts i can find about slam before i asked about the read On September 05 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:yamato i am almost certain Slam is mafia. On September 05 2015 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work.
idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see.
I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why? On September 05 2015 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Here is my read evolution of Breshke:
- I saw a post i think makes no sense from town perspective.
- I asked him about it.
- He answered, and then i said "it does not make any sense from town perspective".
- I pushed him further, because i wanted a reaction (a better elaboration, in case he is town) and i wanted to make sure he knows i have my eyes on him because he CAN be lazy as town, but if he is town i don't want to allow him to be lazy, and i wanted him to know he does know that.
- He said "okay, my post was indeed fluff, but idk what to expect from people at that point of the game"
- That makes sense to me, i didn't even originally think about that. But now that he said it it makes a bit more sense.
- Then i responded him basically with saying "if you are town you will play, okay"
- After that his posting has been better, so i have a reason to believe he is not in fact mafia -> his behavior now to me makes more sense.
I focused onto both Breshke and Glowingbear at the same time. I already knew what i would say regarding how GB answers me. I want to cut out the stupidity from this game. Again, i have not been pushing GB, and again, i don't even care if he is mafia or not, he earned himself a spot in "ignore pile", if someone else wants to figure him out do it. I think it's more likely that he is mafia fro what i have said but i am not sure.
My "timing" on Breshke/GB thing has nothing to do with anything for reals.
I think the most likely people who are mafia in this game atm are Slam & Noobking. Tell me where you talked about slam so much that I as mafia would have thought voting slam is thread sentiment. I am not talking about thread sentiment and neither is Slam. He is saying that if you are mafia you very well know what i mean and you know it's a reason to call Slam mafia, even without me ACTUALLY saying it. Which i totally agree with it. Im kinda getting confused here. Slam is exactly saying I am mafia because im pushing him and my only reason for pushing him is because i thought it was thread sentiment because you were pushing him On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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The why doesn't he fucking clarify it?
Instead he keeps dancing around the issue and saying something else.
Did you play in Newbie Student Mafia XIII?
Like it was literally what he did all game long. Someone makes a clear point, he just twists the points into oblivion so noone even remembers the original argument anymore. He's like kitaman when scum, except for kitaman is really fucking good at it. He was asking you some question like about what you ment by your own defininition. From my pov he clearly im taking it as he didn't understand that you didnt ralise his post was sarcastic or w/e. If XIII is the one from mooseys sig then yes i was in it. I also want to add that I think the way noobking is acting towards you(rayn) is fairly anti town/scummy. Antagonizing someone isn't pressure. I don't really see what you are doing noobking as pressuring rayn because i don't see how you would be getting an allighnment read from it. That being said i think the slam thing is a really good place to put my vote right now and it kills two birds with one stone ##Vote Alakaslam Mafia. What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment. Another reason my Rayn respect is high. Yes, you could be "sheeping me" because you know i think Slam could be mafia for the same reasons you laid out. That's what he is saying, or like, that's his conclusion. Which is not totally out of this world. I see what you are saying but i don't see how the comment that "i think I am following thread sentiment even though its just you and you've posted a lot" fits in when you had hardly talked about it. Like if i then think oh rayn is going to scumread slam for this reason ill do it first because that would be good. Then no im not following thread sentiment im trying to pocket you or w/e. What slam originally said didn't make sense and when I pointed it out he didn't say that I was misunderstanding him so im not going to assume that he ment something else when it is clear to me what he said doesn't make sense. Dude is this your first time being scum? For your next game: you skimmed the thread and picked up on the general few people weakly agreeing with what Rayn mentioned all the time in passing and made a few strong key statements about. This made you think there was good reason and thread sentiment there to get me lynched. Rayn has been dissonant In a way the people at smashboards think is a tell (I am a little surprised none of the newbies except NK picked up on it) because they aren't so good as they think they are. Rayn has talked about me in a post saying I am just shy of confirmed scum and then voted someone else. He was pushing me hard, saying a good bit about NK, and then BAM- votes NK, not me. That's usually considered scummy, but I know what he is doing and besides it isn't actually as scummy as people think. Regardless, it threw you off but set you up with an excuse to vote me. This is also why k am hoping GB is on your team. How did it throw me off? You are just creating a narrative that fits your world. It threw you off because in skimming you thought Rayn had not pushed me much because in his actual posts WHOLLY about me, he didn't- and he voted noob But he actually was pushing me a lot He has said so himself because he knows he did. You failed to see that though; you have not been reading and were willing to vote for pretty foul reasons when there were reasons based on posting in the thread. looking thru ur filter that looked to be the case, altho u did drop suspicion on slam rather quickly in this post. but ur response makes sense because i tone read slam as happy and mafia people are mostly sad so i don't think this is important. in the quote where i said slam was town, breshke/n00bking were saying that slam was stating that rayn was using him to catch lazy mafia. but as both of u said, ur suspicion on slam was real, so what both of them were saying was false. agreeing with breshke/n00bking would have been the easy way out as he was coming off as town read from the interaction anyway, but he actually stuck to his story. -shrugs- the reasoning is a bit convoluted but it works out if u look at it in context. either way, slam is town from both tone reads and thread proof.
I know the bolded part is true but i disagree with the fact that Slam would do that (is that what you mean?).
He 100% knows where my suspicion on him came from.
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Cake what are your reads?
I heavily disagree with Moosy being mafia.
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On September 06 2015 02:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 06 2015 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 06 2015 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
rayn were u harboring legit suspicions on Alakaslam earlier? Yes, i genuinely think when he posts jsut before the game start and when the game starts makes one post that's "sad" he is scum. Obviously this in not 100% certain thing but generally: - happy slam is town - sad slam is mafia ohhhkay, then i actually think slam is town because of this: On September 05 2015 14:33 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 14:23 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 13:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Slam, rayn did not cast suspicions on you so he could catch lazy mafia trying to lynch town slam. Agree. I never claimed that. I claimed Rayn push had an unintended side effect I don't understand, how does that have anything to do with what i said? basically slam said that u were suspecting him but was pushing n00bKing more: On September 05 2015 13:51 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:35 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 13:28 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:27 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:17 GlowingBear wrote:
SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAM
FITE ME PERFECT COME TO YOUR DOOM The old man will win He looks pretty young to me. There is a bear in the cage. Just FYI Slam, rayn did not cast suspicions on you so he could catch lazy mafia trying to lynch town slam. Otherwise, he would be on Breshke's and mine skin before you. It looked like a pressure vote. Rayn was genuinely suspicious of me because of meta. On September 05 2015 13:55 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:35 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:15 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:06 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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I am not talking about thread sentiment and neither is Slam.
He is saying that if you are mafia you very well know what i mean and you know it's a reason to call Slam mafia, even without me ACTUALLY saying it.
Which i totally agree with it.
Im kinda getting confused here. Slam is exactly saying I am mafia because im pushing him and my only reason for pushing him is because i thought it was thread sentiment because you were pushing him On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:
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Mafia.
What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment.
Another reason my Rayn respect is high. Yes, you could be "sheeping me" because you know i think Slam could be mafia for the same reasons you laid out. That's what he is saying, or like, that's his conclusion. Which is not totally out of this world. I see what you are saying but i don't see how the comment that "i think I am following thread sentiment even though its just you and you've posted a lot" fits in when you had hardly talked about it. Like if i then think oh rayn is going to scumread slam for this reason ill do it first because that would be good. Then no im not following thread sentiment im trying to pocket you or w/e. What slam originally said didn't make sense and when I pointed it out he didn't say that I was misunderstanding him so im not going to assume that he ment something else when it is clear to me what he said doesn't make sense. Dude is this your first time being scum? For your next game: you skimmed the thread and picked up on the general few people weakly agreeing with what Rayn mentioned all the time in passing and made a few strong key statements about. This made you think there was good reason and thread sentiment there to get me lynched. Rayn has been dissonant In a way the people at smashboards think is a tell (I am a little surprised none of the newbies except NK picked up on it) because they aren't so good as they think they are. Rayn has talked about me in a post saying I am just shy of confirmed scum and then voted someone else. He was pushing me hard, saying a good bit about NK, and then BAM- votes NK, not me. That's usually considered scummy, but I know what he is doing and besides it isn't actually as scummy as people think. Regardless, it threw you off but set you up with an excuse to vote me. This is also why k am hoping GB is on your team. How did it throw me off? You are just creating a narrative that fits your world. It threw you off because in skimming you thought Rayn had not pushed me much because in his actual posts WHOLLY about me, he didn't- and he voted noob But he actually was pushing me a lot He has said so himself because he knows he did. You failed to see that though; you have not been reading and were willing to vote for pretty foul reasons when there were reasons based on posting in the thread. looking thru ur filter that looked to be the case, altho u did drop suspicion on slam rather quickly in this post. On September 05 2015 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:+ Show Spoiler +hey slam is not mafia but i still want the mspaint so shhhh....... but ur response makes sense because i tone read slam as happy and mafia people are mostly sad so i don't think this is important. in the quote where i said slam was town, breshke/n00bking were saying that slam was stating that rayn was using him to catch lazy mafia. but as both of u said, ur suspicion on slam was real, so what both of them were saying was false. agreeing with breshke/n00bking would have been the easy way out as he was coming off as town read from the interaction anyway, but he actually stuck to his story. -shrugs- the reasoning is a bit convoluted but it works out if u look at it in context. either way, slam is town from both tone reads and thread proof. I know the bolded part is true but i disagree with the fact that Slam would do that (is that what you mean?). He 100% knows where my suspicion on him came from. yes, but i think this post made them think u read slam as town and was looking to catch a lazy mafia: which is false because u did genuinely suspect slam. and slam stuck to his story rather than using what breshke/n00bking thought as a way to cop-out which i liked.
I don't think you get what i mean.
If Slam takes the cop-out as mafia he knows it will make me see theat he is bullshitting and then he will get lynched.
Other people might not know how i read Slam but Slam KNOWS how i read him so he cannot do anything else than to "stick with his story (truth)", otherwise he gives himself away to me.
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On September 06 2015 02:35 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cake what are your reads?
I heavily disagree with Moosy being mafia. I disagree with you, moosy is being very hypocrite with his posts and he says i am antagonizing him when he is doing that to me, he is paying extremely TOO MUCH attention to me. I also don't like how he just said "trying to confirm if rayn is town" like seriously you already are. I don't like noobking either but he might just been having an ego attack and is being sturbborn, the whole "town would have reacted this way to gb claim" is fucking dumb.
Look, Moosy does not think any of the current lynch candidates are mafia.
He is looking into other places in who is mafia.
There is honestly not much you have said that should get you a townread to people who do not know you and your play (which is basically everyone other than me and yamato). It is not unreasonable for him to think you are mafia, in my opinion.
There is no reason to get into any shitfight because of this. He is not being a hypocrite, even if he is mafia in this game he isn't being a hypocrite here.
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On September 06 2015 02:43 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:35 CopCake wrote:On September 06 2015 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cake what are your reads?
I heavily disagree with Moosy being mafia. I disagree with you, moosy is being very hypocrite with his posts and he says i am antagonizing him when he is doing that to me, he is paying extremely TOO MUCH attention to me. I also don't like how he just said "trying to confirm if rayn is town" like seriously you already are. I don't like noobking either but he might just been having an ego attack and is being sturbborn, the whole "town would have reacted this way to gb claim" is fucking dumb. Look, Moosy does not think any of the current lynch candidates are mafia. He is looking into other places in who is mafia. There is honestly not much you have said that should get you a townread to people who do not know you and your play (which is basically everyone other than me and yamato). It is not unreasonable for him to think you are mafia, in my opinion. There is no reason to get into any shitfight because of this. He is not being a hypocrite, even if he is mafia in this game he isn't being a hypocrite here. Ok I will call down with moosy and just trust you. Now tell me who are your "very mafia" reads so I can go check.
noobking
slam(?)
coughinghydra(?)
I don't have a "very mafia" read except for noobking.
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On September 06 2015 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:43 CopCake wrote:On September 06 2015 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:35 CopCake wrote:On September 06 2015 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cake what are your reads?
I heavily disagree with Moosy being mafia. I disagree with you, moosy is being very hypocrite with his posts and he says i am antagonizing him when he is doing that to me, he is paying extremely TOO MUCH attention to me. I also don't like how he just said "trying to confirm if rayn is town" like seriously you already are. I don't like noobking either but he might just been having an ego attack and is being sturbborn, the whole "town would have reacted this way to gb claim" is fucking dumb. Look, Moosy does not think any of the current lynch candidates are mafia. He is looking into other places in who is mafia. There is honestly not much you have said that should get you a townread to people who do not know you and your play (which is basically everyone other than me and yamato). It is not unreasonable for him to think you are mafia, in my opinion. There is no reason to get into any shitfight because of this. He is not being a hypocrite, even if he is mafia in this game he isn't being a hypocrite here. Ok I will call down with moosy and just trust you. Now tell me who are your "very mafia" reads so I can go check. noobking slam(?) coughinghydra(?) I don't have a "very mafia" read except for noobking.
Like i think everyone else is town except for james and boxerfred and even boxerfred is silghty leaning towards town for reasons i will not go more detail into at least yet.
GB is null just because i do not like his votes.
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On September 06 2015 02:46 CopCake wrote:
Why is slam mafia?
- because he was catching up he didn't address my posts almost at all. i have a huge lot meta on him and when he is town he usually trusts me (when he thinks i am town, and he does here). here he doesn't.
- his point on Breshke getting "thrown off" which he hasn't explained.
There are these "filter" buttons in people's posts. If you click it you can have an ISO of that persons posts in this game.
Read my filter, it's all there.
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On September 06 2015 02:49 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:43 CopCake wrote:On September 06 2015 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:35 CopCake wrote:On September 06 2015 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cake what are your reads?
I heavily disagree with Moosy being mafia. I disagree with you, moosy is being very hypocrite with his posts and he says i am antagonizing him when he is doing that to me, he is paying extremely TOO MUCH attention to me. I also don't like how he just said "trying to confirm if rayn is town" like seriously you already are. I don't like noobking either but he might just been having an ego attack and is being sturbborn, the whole "town would have reacted this way to gb claim" is fucking dumb. Look, Moosy does not think any of the current lynch candidates are mafia. He is looking into other places in who is mafia. There is honestly not much you have said that should get you a townread to people who do not know you and your play (which is basically everyone other than me and yamato). It is not unreasonable for him to think you are mafia, in my opinion. There is no reason to get into any shitfight because of this. He is not being a hypocrite, even if he is mafia in this game he isn't being a hypocrite here. Ok I will call down with moosy and just trust you. Now tell me who are your "very mafia" reads so I can go check. noobking slam(?) coughinghydra(?) I don't have a "very mafia" read except for noobking. Like i think everyone else is town except for james and boxerfred and even boxerfred is silghty leaning towards town for reasons i will not go more detail into at least yet. GB is null just because i do not like his votes. What's wrong about my votes? I'm pretty comfort with them for now.
Because i am almost definitely sure scott is town.
Why do you think he is mafia?
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On September 06 2015 02:56 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:46 CopCake wrote:
Why is slam mafia? - because he was catching up he didn't address my posts almost at all. i have a huge lot meta on him and when he is town he usually trusts me (when he thinks i am town, and he does here). here he doesn't. - his point on Breshke getting "thrown off" which he hasn't explained. There are these "filter" buttons in people's posts. If you click it you can have an ISO of that persons posts in this game. Read my filter, it's all there. But doesn't that make him townie? Like if he knows his meta and how he works, and he knows how you read him, wouldn't he try to mimic that as mafia? Mafia would try to win town's or strong player's trust, so I think that if he was mafia he would try to just act as "alakazam" town unless he is very very bad at faking it.
oh but he is.
especially if noobking is mafia he what choice does he have?
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On September 06 2015 02:57 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:15 scott31337 wrote:On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote:
In which page the game started? 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote:
In which page the game started? 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. A quote and so much talk from Breshke day 1 makes me wonder if he wants to try to change his ways - which for a D1 - townlean. More Breshke walls of text - GB smoking/drinking again - and follow his opposite On September 05 2015 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:12 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think GB is mafia here? I don't care i stopped reading his posts. I hope a vigilante shoots him. Ok, you're mafia ##Vote: Rayn Re-read Supers post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24820236- + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote:
I'm about to head off. Won't be around tomorrow until around this time. Some incoherent thoughts (pretty tired).
Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.
Curious to see what comes off rayn/yamato co-op stuff.
Initially disliked yamato's opening. After what rayn just said it's okay for now. Interested in rayn's follow up opinion.
Don't really like moosy I think. Especially the purposely random typing (different from pre-game). Also can't really find a reasoning behind his posts yet (might be bc I'm tired).
Dislike breshke who feels bitter in his latest post (mafia trait imo). Feels weird to see him admit to scummy-esque things. IDK what he's doing as either alignment. Have to see later.
GB is idk. Don't really care about the (fake) claim that much tbh.
Rest also IDK.
So yeah. Follow rayn for now probably. Don't claim blue though. No matter what he says. I'll see where you guys are at tomorrow. Good information but I'm already blitzed. N00bking's posts bad like last game. He's my worst right now. Rayn town Yamato doing shit - town Basically, these are summary with lazy reads. Yamato doing shit = town. That was way too fast and yamato wasn't doing much. He called me drunk/high just to discredit me and then called me null. He calls noobking bad but does not vote him. He gives no reason to call Rayn town. Then he fucks off. Just looks like a Mafia trying to contribute while saying nothing new.
have you ever read any games of his?
i suggest you go read one.
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On September 06 2015 03:01 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:57 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 09:15 scott31337 wrote:On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote:
In which page the game started? 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote:
In which page the game started? 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. A quote and so much talk from Breshke day 1 makes me wonder if he wants to try to change his ways - which for a D1 - townlean. More Breshke walls of text - GB smoking/drinking again - and follow his opposite On September 05 2015 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:12 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think GB is mafia here? I don't care i stopped reading his posts. I hope a vigilante shoots him. Ok, you're mafia ##Vote: Rayn Re-read Supers post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24820236- + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote:
I'm about to head off. Won't be around tomorrow until around this time. Some incoherent thoughts (pretty tired).
Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.
Curious to see what comes off rayn/yamato co-op stuff.
Initially disliked yamato's opening. After what rayn just said it's okay for now. Interested in rayn's follow up opinion.
Don't really like moosy I think. Especially the purposely random typing (different from pre-game). Also can't really find a reasoning behind his posts yet (might be bc I'm tired).
Dislike breshke who feels bitter in his latest post (mafia trait imo). Feels weird to see him admit to scummy-esque things. IDK what he's doing as either alignment. Have to see later.
GB is idk. Don't really care about the (fake) claim that much tbh.
Rest also IDK.
So yeah. Follow rayn for now probably. Don't claim blue though. No matter what he says. I'll see where you guys are at tomorrow. Good information but I'm already blitzed. N00bking's posts bad like last game. He's my worst right now. Rayn town Yamato doing shit - town Basically, these are summary with lazy reads. Yamato doing shit = town. That was way too fast and yamato wasn't doing much. He called me drunk/high just to discredit me and then called me null. He calls noobking bad but does not vote him. He gives no reason to call Rayn town. Then he fucks off. Just looks like a Mafia trying to contribute while saying nothing new. have you ever read any games of his? i suggest you go read one. Rayn, yes, I've lynched him even when he got a green check. I shouldn't give him leeway for that, tho. I find him scummy.
meh actually you may have a point. sorry.
but i think his vote is in the right place atm so i don't care about him right now.
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On September 06 2015 04:12 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:15 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:06 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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that's not actually true. Here are all your posts i can find about slam before i asked about the read On September 05 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:yamato i am almost certain Slam is mafia. On September 05 2015 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work.
idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see.
I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why? On September 05 2015 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Here is my read evolution of Breshke:
- I saw a post i think makes no sense from town perspective.
- I asked him about it.
- He answered, and then i said "it does not make any sense from town perspective".
- I pushed him further, because i wanted a reaction (a better elaboration, in case he is town) and i wanted to make sure he knows i have my eyes on him because he CAN be lazy as town, but if he is town i don't want to allow him to be lazy, and i wanted him to know he does know that.
- He said "okay, my post was indeed fluff, but idk what to expect from people at that point of the game"
- That makes sense to me, i didn't even originally think about that. But now that he said it it makes a bit more sense.
- Then i responded him basically with saying "if you are town you will play, okay"
- After that his posting has been better, so i have a reason to believe he is not in fact mafia -> his behavior now to me makes more sense.
I focused onto both Breshke and Glowingbear at the same time. I already knew what i would say regarding how GB answers me. I want to cut out the stupidity from this game. Again, i have not been pushing GB, and again, i don't even care if he is mafia or not, he earned himself a spot in "ignore pile", if someone else wants to figure him out do it. I think it's more likely that he is mafia fro what i have said but i am not sure.
My "timing" on Breshke/GB thing has nothing to do with anything for reals.
I think the most likely people who are mafia in this game atm are Slam & Noobking. Tell me where you talked about slam so much that I as mafia would have thought voting slam is thread sentiment. I am not talking about thread sentiment and neither is Slam. He is saying that if you are mafia you very well know what i mean and you know it's a reason to call Slam mafia, even without me ACTUALLY saying it. Which i totally agree with it. Im kinda getting confused here. Slam is exactly saying I am mafia because im pushing him and my only reason for pushing him is because i thought it was thread sentiment because you were pushing him On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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The why doesn't he fucking clarify it?
Instead he keeps dancing around the issue and saying something else.
Did you play in Newbie Student Mafia XIII?
Like it was literally what he did all game long. Someone makes a clear point, he just twists the points into oblivion so noone even remembers the original argument anymore. He's like kitaman when scum, except for kitaman is really fucking good at it. He was asking you some question like about what you ment by your own defininition. From my pov he clearly im taking it as he didn't understand that you didnt ralise his post was sarcastic or w/e. If XIII is the one from mooseys sig then yes i was in it. I also want to add that I think the way noobking is acting towards you(rayn) is fairly anti town/scummy. Antagonizing someone isn't pressure. I don't really see what you are doing noobking as pressuring rayn because i don't see how you would be getting an allighnment read from it. That being said i think the slam thing is a really good place to put my vote right now and it kills two birds with one stone ##Vote Alakaslam Mafia. What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment. Another reason my Rayn respect is high. Yes, you could be "sheeping me" because you know i think Slam could be mafia for the same reasons you laid out. That's what he is saying, or like, that's his conclusion. Which is not totally out of this world. I see what you are saying but i don't see how the comment that "i think I am following thread sentiment even though its just you and you've posted a lot" fits in when you had hardly talked about it. Like if i then think oh rayn is going to scumread slam for this reason ill do it first because that would be good. Then no im not following thread sentiment im trying to pocket you or w/e. What slam originally said didn't make sense and when I pointed it out he didn't say that I was misunderstanding him so im not going to assume that he ment something else when it is clear to me what he said doesn't make sense. Dude is this your first time being scum? For your next game: you skimmed the thread and picked up on the general few people weakly agreeing with what Rayn mentioned all the time in passing and made a few strong key statements about. This made you think there was good reason and thread sentiment there to get me lynched. Rayn has been dissonant In a way the people at smashboards think is a tell (I am a little surprised none of the newbies except NK picked up on it) because they aren't so good as they think they are. Rayn has talked about me in a post saying I am just shy of confirmed scum and then voted someone else. He was pushing me hard, saying a good bit about NK, and then BAM- votes NK, not me. That's usually considered scummy, but I know what he is doing and besides it isn't actually as scummy as people think. Regardless, it threw you off but set you up with an excuse to vote me. This is also why k am hoping GB is on your team. Doesn't this mean noobking would have to be mafia in order to Breshke be mafia? Otherwise the "throwing off" makes very little sense. Slam, i still want you to answer this. This post: + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 13:52 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 13:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:15 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:06 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:51 Breshke wrote:
...because rayn has posted shit all about slam without me prodding/asking. that's not actually true. Here are all your posts i can find about slam before i asked about the read On September 05 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:yamato i am almost certain Slam is mafia. On September 05 2015 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:56 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think baiting rayn into getting angry is the right way to be playing this D1.
He's been fairly obvious town so far. glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work. idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see. I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why? On September 05 2015 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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This was Breshke's post. In this his tone is sarcastic which matches his general acerbic posting.
I don't see why you would say this:
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He's basically saying he's waiting to see what you guys will do but you're saying that's not what he said?
Also thoughts on the evolution of your read on Breshke. At first you think he's very likely to be Mafia then seem to waffle and say we'll have to see later on. Also around this time you seem to want to kill GlowingBear. I don't like how you give up one thing when GlowingBear starts to seem like a better lynch target with his terrible shenanigans. Here is my read evolution of Breshke: - I saw a post i think makes no sense from town perspective. - I asked him about it. - He answered, and then i said "it does not make any sense from town perspective". - I pushed him further, because i wanted a reaction (a better elaboration, in case he is town) and i wanted to make sure he knows i have my eyes on him because he CAN be lazy as town, but if he is town i don't want to allow him to be lazy, and i wanted him to know he does know that. - He said "okay, my post was indeed fluff, but idk what to expect from people at that point of the game" - That makes sense to me, i didn't even originally think about that. But now that he said it it makes a bit more sense. - Then i responded him basically with saying "if you are town you will play, okay" - After that his posting has been better, so i have a reason to believe he is not in fact mafia -> his behavior now to me makes more sense. I focused onto both Breshke and Glowingbear at the same time. I already knew what i would say regarding how GB answers me. I want to cut out the stupidity from this game. Again, i have not been pushing GB, and again, i don't even care if he is mafia or not, he earned himself a spot in "ignore pile", if someone else wants to figure him out do it. I think it's more likely that he is mafia fro what i have said but i am not sure. My "timing" on Breshke/GB thing has nothing to do with anything for reals. I think the most likely people who are mafia in this game atm are Slam & Noobking. Tell me where you talked about slam so much that I as mafia would have thought voting slam is thread sentiment. I am not talking about thread sentiment and neither is Slam. He is saying that if you are mafia you very well know what i mean and you know it's a reason to call Slam mafia, even without me ACTUALLY saying it. Which i totally agree with it. Im kinda getting confused here. Slam is exactly saying I am mafia because im pushing him and my only reason for pushing him is because i thought it was thread sentiment because you were pushing him On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:08 Breshke wrote:
SO when noobking said "Does rayn leap to ridiculous conclusions with no basis as either allegiance? Or only when he's Town?"
He was not being serious rayn. IIRC i think he was responding to yamato and he is trying to imply that you can not be town because you are leaping to ridiculous conclusions. This wasn't actually a question about your meta.
The why doesn't he fucking clarify it? Instead he keeps dancing around the issue and saying something else. Did you play in Newbie Student Mafia XIII? Like it was literally what he did all game long. Someone makes a clear point, he just twists the points into oblivion so noone even remembers the original argument anymore. He's like kitaman when scum, except for kitaman is really fucking good at it. He was asking you some question like about what you ment by your own defininition. From my pov he clearly im taking it as he didn't understand that you didnt ralise his post was sarcastic or w/e. If XIII is the one from mooseys sig then yes i was in it. I also want to add that I think the way noobking is acting towards you(rayn) is fairly anti town/scummy. Antagonizing someone isn't pressure. I don't really see what you are doing noobking as pressuring rayn because i don't see how you would be getting an allighnment read from it. That being said i think the slam thing is a really good place to put my vote right now and it kills two birds with one stone ##Vote Alakaslam Mafia. What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment. Another reason my Rayn respect is high. Yes, you could be "sheeping me" because you know i think Slam could be mafia for the same reasons you laid out. That's what he is saying, or like, that's his conclusion. Which is not totally out of this world. I see what you are saying but i don't see how the comment that "i think I am following thread sentiment even though its just you and you've posted a lot" fits in when you had hardly talked about it. Like if i then think oh rayn is going to scumread slam for this reason ill do it first because that would be good. Then no im not following thread sentiment im trying to pocket you or w/e. What slam originally said didn't make sense and when I pointed it out he didn't say that I was misunderstanding him so im not going to assume that he ment something else when it is clear to me what he said doesn't make sense. Dude is this your first time being scum? For your next game: you skimmed the thread and picked up on the general few people weakly agreeing with what Rayn mentioned all the time in passing and made a few strong key statements about. This made you think there was good reason and thread sentiment there to get me lynched. Rayn has been dissonant In a way the people at smashboards think is a tell (I am a little surprised none of the newbies except NK picked up on it) because they aren't so good as they think they are. Rayn has talked about me in a post saying I am just shy of confirmed scum and then voted someone else. He was pushing me hard, saying a good bit about NK, and then BAM- votes NK, not me. That's usually considered scummy, but I know what he is doing and besides it isn't actually as scummy as people think. Regardless, it threw you off but set you up with an excuse to vote me. This is also why k am hoping GB is on your team. Doesn't this mean noobking would have to be mafia in order to Breshke be mafia? Otherwise the "throwing off" makes very little sense. I can't see that world. If noob was scum with bresh he would not defend me, he would vote me. Or he would tell bresh to stfu ... does not really answer anything. Basically you are saying that "rayn went -BAM, votes for n00bking. That threw Breshke off". Now if you assume Breske is mafia for that -> trying to find a different target because he got "thrown off" that has to mean n00bking is mafia, because otherwise there is no reason for Breshke to be "thrown off". Like your argument is "Breshke is mafia because he got thrown off for rayn suddenly voting for a townie". It makes literally no sense. You are completely capable of pushing two town as town.
can you jsut answer the fucking question?
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On September 06 2015 05:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:To be fair, rayn did make a good point here: Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 11:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Moosy i see a certain difference in his play (and in the last game) here and in his play on those games.
He as mafia picks a target and pushes it into oblivion.
He as town, well see my last post and turn it around. He actually listens to other people. hm...this is a good point. i'll back off of n00bking for now and give him some space to respond. But I don't think it's enough to completely lynch n00bKing yet. Either way, it's standard town!n00bKing manner to see if he's working on a big case or not so I'm willing to wait and see what happens.
well you've bee nsaying this for like 15 hours and there has been nothing from him.
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coughing hydra is probably mafia because of undick-move analysis.
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On September 06 2015 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 05:25 Superbia wrote:
All right. You will be able to read him based on the case he's presenting, right? Or do you think just him posting a big case identifies him as town? I will be able to read him based on the case he is presenting and how he presents his line of thought in the case.
well his line of thought on his case currently is scummy as fuck.
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On September 06 2015 05:38 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
coughing hydra is probably mafia because of undick-move analysis. You mean it's scummy that he's replacing out? If not, I agree that his initial (and pretty much only) post was decently scummy, but since it's his first time playing (judging from profile), it could go either way. As much as replacing out. Also could go either way. We just have to see what replacement does imo.
I mean he makes a post THEN replaces out.
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Feels like "fuck it i can't keep up with this".
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On September 06 2015 05:43 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:21 GlowingBear wrote:
noob what do you think of moosy doosy? Moosy appears to be Town so far. He's done one thing that I am not sure he would have found the nerve to do if he were Scum and knew that I am Town. I also think his suspicions of CopCake were well-founded (and this is even assuming that we disregard the "pocketing" attempt that Moosy flipped his lid about. I would disregard that incident, and I would be suspicious of CopCake anyway.)
Now this is a funny thing to say from a guy who thinks i am mafia for having meta-reads.
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On September 06 2015 06:03 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:10 yamato77 wrote: n00bKing wrote:
On THIS site, it seems like the games usually have a few dim bulbs. It's a lower level of play than I'm used to, and I'm still trying to make adjustments. This is an example of such an adjustment. Fucking LOL pot, kettle, black Mmmm, NO. It was only my SECOND game here on this site, when I asked the other players if they knew of any good places to play Mafia-by-Forum. Because this ain't it. Players here don't care, players here don't try, and I don't think some of them would know how to try even if they wanted to. But I had said I would play in Moosy's 4th and final Newbie game, so here I am.
stop bitching. this is the site with the most quality mafia games on the internet.
why is cake mafia?
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Moosy is this the big case you wer looking for. Looks like at least three words.
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On September 06 2015 06:12 Superbia wrote:
(I'm male)
noooooo my world is crushed.
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hey yamato there is a voting thread.
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On September 06 2015 06:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
mmm...rayn shall we make a gamble?
??
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On September 06 2015 06:24 NocturneMage wrote:
rayn's tone is similar from my last newbie but again, I don't remember him getting overly serious this early in the game.
that's because i was phoneposting for the first 15 hours in the game. And i don't post analysis when phoneposting.
You'd know that if you had read the thread.
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On September 06 2015 06:25 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 05:43 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 11:21 GlowingBear wrote:
noob what do you think of moosy doosy? Moosy appears to be Town so far. He's done one thing that I am not sure he would have found the nerve to do if he were Scum and knew that I am Town. I also think his suspicions of CopCake were well-founded (and this is even assuming that we disregard the "pocketing" attempt that Moosy flipped his lid about. I would disregard that incident, and I would be suspicious of CopCake anyway.) Now this is a funny thing to say from a guy who thinks i am mafia for having meta-reads. That wasn't a meta-read though, at least not in the sense that most people seem to use the term here. It was not based on any of his behavior from other games. And I most definitely have never said that I think you're Mafia, so stop trying to put words in my mouth.
ahahahahah.
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okay guys. I am gonna go have a drink. Maybe back, maybe not tonight.
I think we have our lynch already.
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On September 06 2015 06:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 06:54 CopCake wrote:On September 06 2015 06:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 06 2015 06:46 CopCake wrote:
Like
"he knows noob is town so because i am noob mafia read he wants me to get lynched tomorrow"
Nope, I am town.
If you have balls you will lynch me if i am a SUPER MAFIA READ OF YOU. ok like what's the point of this post. ur not even refuting anything just saying something that a mafia could easily say and then trying to attack me personally. rather than doing that you can try and be productive so that rayn's magic town read of you comes true in my eyes. because right now u are super scummy to me. You are doing bets. Who the fuck of town does bets? You should lynch the person that you think is SCUM. Me and Noobking are the top list in lynch. YOUR BIGGEST SCUM READ AND ONE OF YOUR TOWN READS WHO SHOULD YOU BE LYNCHING? you clearly. but im actually waiting for NocturneMage to finish his reads and get his opinion on the matter.
She's right.
Your post was absolutely horrible.
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Okay shit gets interesting.
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On September 06 2015 07:31 Alakaslam wrote:If I see one more like this umma vote GB. Guy can't think for himself this game:
And you cant answer simple questions.
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On September 06 2015 07:47 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 07:24 NocturneMage wrote:
Reading n00bking right now. Not liking what I see so far. I know he ranted about skill level of the site in the newbie I played and the one before that so I am ignoring that. But 278, 311 and 329, those posts I really don't like. 329, he's pushing rayn on semantics, doesn't have to be a case, all that matters is that he's calling rayn's points bullshit. The importance of the distinction between calling rayn's points bullshit and making a case for why he should be lynched cannot be overstated. You're right, "all that matters" is that rayn's points were being called bullshit (and they were bullshit). rayn mislabeled it as being something else, so I corrected him. Just as I corrected him when he tried to pretend I had said at some point that he is Scum.
Nah you have been calling me scum all game long.
Now yoy die.
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On September 06 2015 07:55 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 07:47 n00bKing wrote:On September 06 2015 07:24 NocturneMage wrote:
Reading n00bking right now. Not liking what I see so far. I know he ranted about skill level of the site in the newbie I played and the one before that so I am ignoring that. But 278, 311 and 329, those posts I really don't like. 329, he's pushing rayn on semantics, doesn't have to be a case, all that matters is that he's calling rayn's points bullshit. The importance of the distinction between calling rayn's points bullshit and making a case for why he should be lynched cannot be overstated. You're right, "all that matters" is that rayn's points were being called bullshit (and they were bullshit). rayn mislabeled it as being something else, so I corrected him. Just as I corrected him when he tried to pretend I had said at some point that he is Scum. Nah you have been calling me scum all game long. Now yoy die. Even if I had called you scum, it wouldn't be a reason to lynch me. And it's not a reason to lynch GlowingBear either. And there's not GOING to be a reason to lynch me, either. So you better start working on Plan B. You were 98% sure that I'm Scum, but you're wrong. You were 95% sure Alakaslam was Scum, and then you didn't seem so sure at all. What else ya got for me, Sparky?
wrong. i was 98% sure you are sucm.
now i am 99% sure.
stay tuned tomorrow. now i have other stuff to do.
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I ma sorry cake i can't claim masons with you this game to make this a lot easier.
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mmm james' last post was super scummy-
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well at least NM is town.
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NocturneMage do you think that when the only two players in this game who actually know Cake and her play say she is town that's something to not trust?
I mean like, sure if you think she is mafia go ahead and push. But like.... Doesn't it matter anything?
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On September 06 2015 08:41 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 08:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
mmm james' last post was super scummy- Who is James?
Fidei-.
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james' last post was super towny.
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On September 06 2015 08:52 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
james' last post was super towny. First of all <3 that you're calling me James. Second of all can you give a more detailed response? If you just say you like it or you don't, it's difficult to figure out whether you agree with it, or you're just trying to pocket me.
i don't pocket people.
i find it genuine.
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On September 06 2015 08:54 Fidei86 wrote:
Can I ask you a question - what is your read on Yamato? He seems to think that you are hard town reading each other. Are you? If you are reading him town, why?
me?
i am pretty sure i have explained my read on yamato.
if you can't access filters (mine) just let me know and i find the post.
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nvm here:
On September 05 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The reason i am reading yamato town is because i talked with him on TS last night and he has rolled mafia for like 5 games in a row or something and i told him "hey let's wreck mafia if we are both town, it would be nice to play with you when you are actually town and play".
He basically promised to play in his first post, because he seems interested in the game and happy. If it's a fake post then i will 100% figure it out based on his play AFTERWARDS, but as per now there is zero reason to think yamato is mafia.
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And nothing has made me think otherwise after i made the post.
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Well noobking is mafia and we should lynch him.
I don't have much else to say.
I could write a case but if people are too lazy to read then whatever.
James no, his posting does not make him town. I have talked about this already.
Now he is fucking backpedalling from a scumread on me while the first ~24hours ALL HE DID WAS CALL ME ME MAFIA. Are you people so fuckign stupid jsut because he says "i didn't vote for rayn in the voting thread" you believe his "i didn't call rayn mafia for realz kthxbye". Serously GO READ HIS FILTER.
Then there is this gem:
The name of the game is for the Town players to work together, and create conditions where the Scum players cannot conceal themselves. With that goal in mind, everything rayn does is wrong.
Now let's say noobking actually didn't call me mafia and believe it (while there is no reason to).
Does it look like he is playing up to this, what he thinks is a correct way to play?
Does it look like he was arguing that i am wrong instead that i am scum?
Does it look like he was creating a good town atmosphere with posts like "TLMafia is filled with shit players" and fucking dumbass posts like that?
Does it?
DOES IT?
I am going to be super fucking mad if either of Cake or Scott get lynched while this kinda shit running around in the thread. Also because they are both town.
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And i don't want to lynch GlowingBear because i don't think he is mafia either.
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On September 07 2015 05:24 Superbia wrote:
And who's james?
James is Fidei.
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The name of the game is for the Town players to work together, and create conditions where the Scum players cannot conceal themselves. With that goal in mind, everything rayn does is wrong.
Like lite-fucking-rally if this is how noobking thinks mafia is played (while this is correct( he should never ever made any of the posts he made on p1-2 in his filter and he should NOT townread GB.
Never. Never, ever never.
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On September 07 2015 05:29 Superbia wrote:
All right. Rayn, who do you think the other 2 mafia are besides noobking?
Slam and idk yet.
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On September 07 2015 05:29 Fidei86 wrote:
Ugh. Rayn, I'm concerned you're too tunnelled on n00b. I don't want to have to choose between voting Cake and n00b.
I'm going to park my vote on BF for now. I think he's a much better option than either of the two leading wagons. I guess I could also move onto scott - I don't have much of a read on him and his level of contribution has been pretty weak.
I am totally sure noobking is mafia because his play makes no sense and was really similar to his last game i played with him.
Suddenly when i bring this up and Moosy has seemingly a lightbulp popping over his head (because i was right) the dude suddenly retracts his scumread on me, or calls it fucking "never existing" and has even balls to make a post "townies should work together and be clear of their intentions" while he has done the opposite and GB was the one who was distracting the town and NOT allowing the town work together. Yeah but obviously GB here is his "top townread".
It's like.... roflskates. There is nothing more to say, it doesn't make any sense.
I am gonna go read BF but i am not going to switch my vote today, that's for sure.
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No, boxerfred is not mafia.
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Last mafia is probably NocturneMage.
He intentionally avoids talking about anything brought up on noobking.
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On September 07 2015 05:36 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Well noobking is mafia and we should lynch him. I don't have much else to say. I could write a case but if people are too lazy to read then whatever. James no, his posting does not make him town. I have talked about this already. Now he is fucking backpedalling from a scumread on me while the first ~24hours ALL HE DID WAS CALL ME ME MAFIA. Are you people so fuckign stupid jsut because he says "i didn't vote for rayn in the voting thread" you believe his "i didn't call rayn mafia for realz kthxbye". Serously GO READ HIS FILTER. Then there is this gem: The name of the game is for the Town players to work together, and create conditions where the Scum players cannot conceal themselves. With that goal in mind, everything rayn does is wrong. Now let's say noobking actually didn't call me mafia and believe it (while there is no reason to). Does it look like he is playing up to this, what he thinks is a correct way to play? Does it look like he was arguing that i am wrong instead that i am scum? Does it look like he was creating a good town atmosphere with posts like "TLMafia is filled with shit players" and fucking dumbass posts like that? Does it? DOES IT? I am going to be super fucking mad if either of Cake or Scott get lynched while this kinda shit running around in the thread. Also because they are both town. Why I love Rayn Man, he is making me want to lunch noob but I just don't agree that he is scum.
obviously you don't. and i know why.
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On September 07 2015 05:40 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:The name of the game is for the Town players to work together, and create conditions where the Scum players cannot conceal themselves. With that goal in mind, everything rayn does is wrong. Like lite-fucking-rally if this is how noobking thinks mafia is played (while this is correct( he should never ever made any of the posts he made on p1-2 in his filter and he should NOT townread GB. Never. Never, ever never. Oh really? Then why don't you want to lynch GB either, even while insinuating that he must be somehow creating conditions where the Scum players can conceal themselves? That is NOT true.
Because i have actually meta on him and i know he can be a stupidhead sometimes.
You on the other hand claim the opposite.
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And i am not going to argue with you because you are goingto argue about irrelevant things and going to twist things into oblivion. It just doesn't help.
Go convince others you are not mafia, you can't convince me.
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On September 07 2015 05:44 Alakaslam wrote:How do you know
Obviously because i am mafia.
What kinda stupid question is this?
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On September 07 2015 05:44 yamato77 wrote:
I'm just going to default to sheeping rayn because no one seems particularly interested in listening to me
If you think noobking is (most likely to be?) mafia then you are probably fine with the lynch?
Should i read/comment onto something you have brought up before the lynch?
If you think that's the case please let me know..
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On September 07 2015 05:47 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 07 2015 05:44 Alakaslam wrote:On September 07 2015 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, boxerfred is not mafia. How do you know Obviously because i am mafia. What kinda stupid question is this? READ ME WITHOUT BIAS YOU DAMN FOOL!! Lol Rayn What has boxer posted even for you to know one way or the other? Slow down on the conclusions train
I am not reading you with any bias.
You fail to answer a single fucking question about your read that makes ZERO sense. You fail to explain where your read comes from. I asked you TWICE, your answer said NOTHING relevant to my question,. Your read on Breshke, as i pointed out, made ZERO sense at all.
Boxerfred focuses on relevant things while not posting much. Also his vote is on scum, therefore he is town.
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On September 07 2015 05:49 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 07 2015 05:44 yamato77 wrote:
I'm just going to default to sheeping rayn because no one seems particularly interested in listening to me If you think noobking is (most likely to be?) mafia then you are probably fine with the lynch? Should i read/comment onto something you have brought up before the lynch? If you think that's the case please let me know.. I actually think he's probably not mafia but it seems people are highly unwilling to make any sort of concerted effort to get anyone else lynched besides cop (lol) GB meanwhile makes a half-assed case on scott and goes completely ignored. I really want to lynch GB
I agree his case is terrible. However he has presented a scumread on noobking aswell.
Why does mafia!GB not sheep rayn and lynch noobking instead of making a half-arsed case on scott?
I can't understand it.
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On September 07 2015 05:53 Superbia wrote:
You guys really think GB's case is terrible?
I do. Because his case is based on the fact "scott has three scumreads and then wants to lynch boxer" while in fact scott has TWO scumreads (noobking and GB) and adds boxer there as a third.
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On September 07 2015 05:55 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 07 2015 05:49 yamato77 wrote:On September 07 2015 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 07 2015 05:44 yamato77 wrote:
I'm just going to default to sheeping rayn because no one seems particularly interested in listening to me If you think noobking is (most likely to be?) mafia then you are probably fine with the lynch? Should i read/comment onto something you have brought up before the lynch? If you think that's the case please let me know.. I actually think he's probably not mafia but it seems people are highly unwilling to make any sort of concerted effort to get anyone else lynched besides cop (lol) GB meanwhile makes a half-assed case on scott and goes completely ignored. I really want to lynch GB I agree his case is terrible. However he has presented a scumread on noobking aswell. Why does mafia!GB not sheep rayn and lynch noobking instead of making a half-arsed case on scott? I can't understand it. Why does town GB do the same thing? Scum GB does not necessarily make sense. His reads do not mean anything. He even has this little contrived idea of scumreading one town and one mafia, and townreading one town and one mafia. Reading him based on thread flow is bad. He is, however, effectively opting out of any serious lynch discussion and seems absolutely content with the lynch going through while his vote goes elsewhere. His motivations? Perhaps to distance himself from the lynch and appear to have his own ideas. As town I think GB would be more vocal about a realistic lynch choice.
you may have a point. let me re-read him again.
i already agree with the fact his case on scott is based on false information.
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On September 05 2015 14:56 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 14:47 Alakaslam wrote:
GB only voting lurkers lol
Srs man, no more scummy than that? No wonder I was under pressure.
Still am for that matter, because I am deathbattling which always looks stupid if you are thuu Slam, he is the scummiest lurker. I have a slight scumread on Moosy doosy. It is for his earlier posts but his latest posts are contentful. I do know what to do out of his answer about noob king tho I have a slight scum read on Rayn, but he is reevaluating stuff like I would expect from a townie and he has been productive. I'm still forming my read on noobking. My problem is: if I admit he is scum, then Rayn is town. They are probably not Mafia together. Now I have scott who posted a bad reads post and pissed off. He played very poorly last game we played together tho. But I don't think I should give him leeway out of that.
this post is really terrible to be honest.
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Okay i am with you on this yamato.
##unvote
##vote: GlowingBear
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On September 07 2015 06:19 CopCake wrote:
Rayn, yamato, etc
why GB over noob?
Because he isn't pushing anything for real and his read change from noobking being more scummy than scott to the other way around has no reasoning behind it.
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On September 07 2015 06:21 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:18 Superbia wrote:
And you even spelled my name wrong. YUP. By the way, if GlowingBear were to be lynched today, you better hope he flips Town. Because if he were to flip Red, you've just placed yourself in a position where it looks like you're trying to use your vote to protect him.
If Glowingbear is mafia you are like even more likely to be mafia for your shit read on him.
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On September 07 2015 06:28 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:26 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:24 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 06:22 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:21 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 06:18 Superbia wrote:
And you even spelled my name wrong. YUP. By the way, if GlowingBear were to be lynched today, you better hope he flips Town. Because if he were to flip Red, you've just placed yourself in a position where it looks like you're trying to use your vote to protect him. Oh I don't give a shit son. Oh right, I know you don't give a shit. I just momentarily forgot where we were playing. Sorry, carry on. I've asked you multiple times to contribute shit, and you've refused. Now you're pushing a possible world in which someone you are hard town reading (thanks for the reminder james) flips mafia, and this makes me mafia. How do you even reach this conclusion in your world? lol, cuz common sense? Common sense doesn't always apply in these games, but the reasons why GB flipping Red would look bad for you should be obvious. Do I expect him to flip Red? No, I do not.
Yet you don't seem to be interested in either defending him or pushing anything else.
tempted to switch back to you.
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yamato are you sure you don't want to lynch noobking?
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Fucking fuck i am realyl on the fencewith this lynch.
On the other hand what's been said about GB is really good.
On the other hand noobking doesn't even care. And just before he was willing to push superbia over cake... it jsut doesn't make any fucking sense.
maybe just murder both?
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On September 07 2015 06:31 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 07 2015 06:28 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 06:26 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:24 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 06:22 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:21 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 06:18 Superbia wrote:
And you even spelled my name wrong. YUP. By the way, if GlowingBear were to be lynched today, you better hope he flips Town. Because if he were to flip Red, you've just placed yourself in a position where it looks like you're trying to use your vote to protect him. Oh I don't give a shit son. Oh right, I know you don't give a shit. I just momentarily forgot where we were playing. Sorry, carry on. I've asked you multiple times to contribute shit, and you've refused. Now you're pushing a possible world in which someone you are hard town reading (thanks for the reminder james) flips mafia, and this makes me mafia. How do you even reach this conclusion in your world? lol, cuz common sense? Common sense doesn't always apply in these games, but the reasons why GB flipping Red would look bad for you should be obvious. Do I expect him to flip Red? No, I do not. Yet you don't seem to be interested in either defending him or pushing anything else. tempted to switch back to you. I've spent the entire day defending him AND pushing something else. WTF are you talking about? THINK before you post, please.
yeah you pushed cake suddenly wanted to lynch superbia for some shit when people bring up GB as a lynch.
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noobking let's be real you aren't pushing anything.
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On September 07 2015 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:31 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 07 2015 06:28 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 06:26 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:24 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 06:22 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:21 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 06:18 Superbia wrote:
And you even spelled my name wrong. YUP. By the way, if GlowingBear were to be lynched today, you better hope he flips Town. Because if he were to flip Red, you've just placed yourself in a position where it looks like you're trying to use your vote to protect him. Oh I don't give a shit son. Oh right, I know you don't give a shit. I just momentarily forgot where we were playing. Sorry, carry on. I've asked you multiple times to contribute shit, and you've refused. Now you're pushing a possible world in which someone you are hard town reading (thanks for the reminder james) flips mafia, and this makes me mafia. How do you even reach this conclusion in your world? lol, cuz common sense? Common sense doesn't always apply in these games, but the reasons why GB flipping Red would look bad for you should be obvious. Do I expect him to flip Red? No, I do not. Yet you don't seem to be interested in either defending him or pushing anything else. tempted to switch back to you. I've spent the entire day defending him AND pushing something else. WTF are you talking about? THINK before you post, please. yeah you pushed cake suddenly wanted to lynch superbia for some shit when people bring up GB as a lynch.
you are just trying to latch onto something thread sentiment brings up.
that's what you are doing.
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On September 07 2015 06:35 Superbia wrote:
I don't know about GB to be honest, but it's sort of mafia to go afk instead of participate in EoD discussion. I kind of liked what he had to say about scott in his case thingy. You guys disagree. You guys know more about GB-meta. I think I'm keeping my vote on noobking, but if we have a vigi I wouldn't be heartbroken about a GB shot so we can get that shit out of the way.
How can you like it?
He literally said "scott has 3-4 scumreads and now he is okay with lynching boxer" when scott LITERALLY HAD 2 SCUMREADS THAT WERE GB AND NOOBKING.
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On September 07 2015 06:34 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato are you sure you don't want to lynch noobking? it's very tempting, but no I'm running with GB/Moosy +1
idk about moosy, let's talk more about this on N1.
I think noobking is mafia though aswell as GB.
I agree i might be wrong on Slam, idk yet.
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On September 07 2015 06:37 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:31 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:28 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 06:26 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:24 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 06:22 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:21 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 06:18 Superbia wrote:
And you even spelled my name wrong. YUP. By the way, if GlowingBear were to be lynched today, you better hope he flips Town. Because if he were to flip Red, you've just placed yourself in a position where it looks like you're trying to use your vote to protect him. Oh I don't give a shit son. Oh right, I know you don't give a shit. I just momentarily forgot where we were playing. Sorry, carry on. I've asked you multiple times to contribute shit, and you've refused. Now you're pushing a possible world in which someone you are hard town reading (thanks for the reminder james) flips mafia, and this makes me mafia. How do you even reach this conclusion in your world? lol, cuz common sense? Common sense doesn't always apply in these games, but the reasons why GB flipping Red would look bad for you should be obvious. Do I expect him to flip Red? No, I do not. So why bring it up? Seriously, you could have so much to talk about right now. The main wagons seem to be GB and yourself. You believe both to be town. Who is the mafia inside of the votes? How did it come to these wagons? Is mafia pushing them? Nope. You seem to be asking yourself none of these questions. Instead, you're wasting your time setting up associative bullshit. Give me a fucking break. Am I supposed to imagine for one second that YOU have been doing any of the stuff you expect from me? Puh-leez. I expect that the votes cast against boxerfred, against Scott, and the 3 votes against CopCake are ALL clean Town votes. If there's a Mafia vote that isn't presently sitting on either myself or GB, then it's probably Breshke's vote. Otherwise, all 3 Mafia votes are on myself and GB. And no, I don't think it is Mafia pushing the wagons. At least not very hard. They just took a seat on them. Mafia hasn't had to push either of the wagons TOO hard, because rayn has been doing all their work for them.
good job you have solved the game then right?
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On September 07 2015 06:39 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 07 2015 06:35 Superbia wrote:
I don't know about GB to be honest, but it's sort of mafia to go afk instead of participate in EoD discussion. I kind of liked what he had to say about scott in his case thingy. You guys disagree. You guys know more about GB-meta. I think I'm keeping my vote on noobking, but if we have a vigi I wouldn't be heartbroken about a GB shot so we can get that shit out of the way. How can you like it? He literally said "scott has 3-4 scumreads and now he is okay with lynching boxer" when scott LITERALLY HAD 2 SCUMREADS THAT WERE GB AND NOOBKING. I kinda felt like scott may be mafia as well at that point in time after reviewing his filter. His mindset felt townie because it felt like my mindset. I.e. looking for people outside of noobking/copcake + thinking scott may be scummy.
I don't care if you think/thought scott might be mafia.
That does not change the fact GB's case was pure bullshit.
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On September 07 2015 06:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 01:05 boxerfred wrote:Hey, just chiming in again, having read up until page 17 at least. I'm really way too tired to do serious work now. However I'm bringing this up: On September 06 2015 01:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 06 2015 00:53 boxerfred wrote:
Hello guys, just chiming in to say "yo I'm here". Currently reading up the thread, I got like 1-2 hours time as of now. Are there any questions directed to me in a direct way? Really willing to contribute here but I don't have much time until monday. there's no way to read you when you've literally done nothing so far. but i am interested in knowing what your thoughts on CopCake and n00bKing are. I think the best thing for me to do right now is to try to appear townie and pretty much try to not get policy lynched. As far as I've read, n00bKing appears to not contribute a thing, asking questions that are not related to anything important or even useful. Feels like a lot of fluff to appear active. Skimming through CopCake's filter, I just see some hard to read posts and pressure on n00bKing, not too much evidence being brought up, just a vote. Nothing substantial although it feels like there's a high grade of activity (his filter is like 10% of the overall game by now) and she's also trying to argue and explain - so I probably wouldn't give it a scum lean. However I'll take some more time and try to catch up, I'll probably be around EoD. No guarantee on that though, I'm tired as fuck and also ill, chilling with my laptop in my awesome bed. I also want to say something about rayn: I shadowed him in one of the last games where he was town. He told me quite a lot about how he plays as town and there are some points that he told me that really hit this game: 1. he said he sucked at convincing people, and 2. he said he'd sometimes get really mad about other people. I think rayn is town. Okay I'm back and reading from where I left off but wtf is with this post.
what is wrong with it?
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On September 07 2015 06:45 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:40 Alakaslam wrote:On September 07 2015 06:19 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:09 Alakaslam wrote:On September 07 2015 06:04 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:02 Alakaslam wrote:On September 07 2015 05:58 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay so I'm going to read GB's filter again.
But I'm actually starting to think that one of the mafia might be Superbia. A quick flick through his four page filter gave me very little sense of where he actually stands, despite the fact that he keeps pushing everyone else for their views. He also seems to be on n00b, but he isn't chiming in with a read thereon. Wondering if anyone else has any thoughts on this? I haven't seen many Superbia reads. This post is golden, James. I would consider him tomorrow. I am Justin by the way. What? You were calling me town like 8 hours ago. For pushing nocturne in a certain direction. Why am I possibly mafia now? Because that is a thing I didn't notice. I am not willing to lunch you today. If I see he is right, I will consider you tomorrow. What did you not notice? What made you call me town? Where do you stand slam? Reconsidering you. Right. Why? You called me town first. Why? Now you think I may be mafia. What changed? Basically I'm interested in those two things right now.
I don't think you should be interested in anything you are claiming here.
You should be interested in ho you want to lynch between GB/noobking and convincing the town on which option is better.
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Superbia if you are town we need you on GB.
Everyone else can do wtf they want to.
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On September 07 2015 07:04 Superbia wrote:
Like I think noobking is super mafia at this point in time. What is he even doing at EoD?
I agree.
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On September 07 2015 07:06 Superbia wrote:You think GB is flipping mafia then?
yes. i think they are both mafia.
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On September 07 2015 07:10 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:07 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 06:57 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:55 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 06:49 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:45 Alakaslam wrote:On September 07 2015 06:38 yamato77 wrote:On September 07 2015 06:36 Superbia wrote:This is the soft in question: + Show Spoiler +On September 06 2015 06:44 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 06:35 yamato77 wrote:
Your reputation is fast becoming one of a whiny little bitch who is mad he's going to get lynched Again, I do NOT expect to be lynched. Claim it, bitch. that's just him being a cocky shit Right. On some platforms that is how people soft-claim PR. I personally thought it may well have been a soft. And what is supposed to be the benefit to the Town of you trying to coerce me into turning a soft claim into a hard claim, with someone other than myself being in the Noose at that moment? Because I think you're mafia at this point in time. And I think that soft may have caused people to reconsider (including myself) and I don't want you to get a pass because of it. Right, it made you reconsider me so much that you put your vote on me the instant yamato gave GB the vote lead in my place, and you've kept your vote there ever since. I don't think any of the people that moved their vote off of me did so because "he's possibly/probably a blue role." I mean, you can ask 'em yourself, but I expect they completely disregarded that in their decision-making. You go after the players you think are Scummy, and you react to a claim once there IS one, and not when you think there *might* be one. So I maintain that by trying to get me to give up the goods on which role I have, you're hurting the Town. You are literally associating my alignment with GB, who you think is town. So that makes me town. Why have you been arguing with me again the entire EoD, instead of analyzing the "both town" wagons and finding a mafia to push on?
bingo
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On September 07 2015 07:12 yamato77 wrote:
It would be quite amazing if both GB and NK were mafia.
they are.
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On September 07 2015 07:16 yamato77 wrote:
nope, lynch with fire
i am actually heavily considering to just doing this.
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On September 07 2015 07:17 yamato77 wrote:
NO NO NO NO NO
No fucking doctor softs blue at the start of the day, jokingly or not
this
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On September 07 2015 07:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
fuck. what do we do rayn. believe him or not??
do not
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On September 07 2015 07:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Lol GB, if you are town I hope you fucking learn how to play because i have no words to say how stupid you are for your play this whole phase
ftfy
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On September 07 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:20 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:
JESUS I SAID I WAS VIGI BECAUSE MAFIA KNOW THE ROLES SO I WOULDNT BE SHOT AR NIHJT If you claim Vigilante in a ruleset where you're the Doctor, the Cop would know you are lying. So he just checks me at night if he is smart. Then he gets a green check on me and I keep alive. That's why I didn't want to talk about my claim.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
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On September 07 2015 07:22 Fidei86 wrote:
Meh, my reads are all wrong, but lynching into the doctor claim seems dumb. Switched to MD.
no no no.
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On September 07 2015 07:24 NocturneMage wrote:
Fidei, vote Copcake please. Moosy, you were going to present a case on her - let's see it.
When is eod?
this guy is scum.
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5min, the only acceptable switch is noobking.
what do we do?
quick,.
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##Unvote
##Vote: n00bKing
Ifcake gets lynched i am going to fucking yell at every single piece of shit of you who voted for her.
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On September 07 2015 07:27 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 07 2015 07:25 Superbia wrote:
Switch to noobking. im not up for this. gb's thought process makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. why would he think cop would check him unless he's godfather??? do not underestimate GB's ability to be dumb
mmm this
he's dead anyways on D2.
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On September 07 2015 07:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:27 yamato77 wrote:On September 07 2015 07:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 07 2015 07:25 Superbia wrote:
Switch to noobking. im not up for this. gb's thought process makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. why would he think cop would check him unless he's godfather??? do not underestimate GB's ability to be dumb he is playing like trash then lol
tbh he always is.
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time to re-evaluate this shit tomorrow.
how can... how can people play that way? i am fucking puzzled.
gonna go play voice mafia.
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On September 07 2015 07:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
time to re-evaluate this shit tomorrow.
how can... how can people play that way? i am fucking puzzled.
gonna go play voice mafia. ugh rayn i told u n00bking was town
there was no reason to.
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let's go play voice, tomorrow is a new day.
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I think the following people are mafia:
NocturneMage, Slam, Fidei.
meh i don't fucking know, maybe i am wrong on one of those and Moosy is actualyl scum.
There is a chance GlowingBear is scum, but it will sort out itself anyways so i don't really care.
I don't really feel like writing a lot of stuff now.
NM:
totally isn't reading the thread properly. There are things like:
Pretty sure n00b was interacting/pushing rayn at least the first half of the cycle.
noobking himself said he wasn't pushing me. he is either not reading, or for some reason doesn't care.
Furthermore he scumreads both noobking and Cake. Apparently noobkign was just being terrible all game but there was ZERO chance both of noobking and Cake are mafia, so scumreading both of htem makes absolutely no sense. Like his reads are not logical, and they do not make any sense at all. He isn't listening to what other people say at all. He is just calling some people scum for no reason.
Fidei feels like he is not even in the game. Like he is just here and not doing anything at all. idk... i can't explain it better, he jsut isn't doing anything. And the vote switch from GB to boxer was super terrible, there is no way ANYONE should do that if they want to save someone. There was no chance boxerfred is gonna get lynched either way.
Slam is scum. I don't care yamato, sorry. He is just scum because he isn't listening to me and he is not answering me. He dodges fucking questions and i don't like it. Kill with fire.
If i am wrong on something then it's probably Moosy who is the last mafia. The noobking/cake read he had is like super bad and feels like he just wants two townies lynched.
If you are do not lynch Cake on D2. She is not mafia and you should not trust people who want to lynch her. Mafia is gonna try that 100%. I promise. Glowingbear if you are town get your head out of your fucking ass and eat roleblocks for the rest of the game. Also if you do not doc me you are terrible as fuck. I don't care what you think. You have been super bad in this game and now is time to start playing properly if you are not mafia.
yamato you can do this. I believe in you and Cake. Work together please and solve this shit.
boxerfred and scott are not scum either. When they posted they talked about relevant things and had logical conclusions on stuff. If you compare this to for example James there is a huge fucking difference in how they approach the game. It should be really easy to see. Those are also lynches mafia is going to push (boxer/scott), they are easy to lynch because they do not generally post much. Townies do not fall into the trap. Superbia is not mafia either, ESPECIALLY if GB is town. It doesn't make any sense for him to push the lynch against GB if that was the case. If GB is mafia, i'd put Superbia into null-category. That could make sense. Although atm i do not believe GB to be mafia so only if he is scum and you guys catch him somehow, then re-evaluate Superbia.
Mafia is basically in NM, James, Slam, Moosy(?) and GB(?).
The last one will sort itself out, so do not worry about him. He'll claim roleblocked anyways. Do not claim in case GB is scum and you are blue, until someone who is town (basically not from the list above) is gonna get lynched.
I would probably lynch Slam on D2. His posts have zero substance, and they don't even make any sense from slam!logic!pov. Again, he fails to answer questions that are super clear. Do not let him get away with it.
I am sorry i did that on D1.
goodluck
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On September 07 2015 18:56 boxerfred wrote:It's strange with fidei. I mean, I went through his filter and what struck out to me is that while his reads make sense and do progress and stay conclusive and on point, his votes don't. Fidei talks a lot about n00bKing and a bit less about MoosyDoosy day 1. He clearly got his focus on these two players so he should be happy with the n00bKing wagon once it went off. However as soon as I entered the thread, fidei thought it would be a great thing to vote for me, based off literally one post I made which basically said "Hey guys, I'm here, I'm not inactive". I get that someone would vote me as long as I'm not there (policy) but why would you vote for an afk lurker as soon as he returns? This is like the first thing I don't understand about fidei. Next up, in the middle of EoD drama, he jumps off the GB wagon, sets his vote on someone completely irrelevant, then gets back on the next wagon which is kinda safe to vote with. I understand that he's not voting GB. I understand that he jumps in n00bKings face. I don't understand why he voted how he voted. I'm trying to figure out if that is scum indicative or paranoid town indicative. Diving into the filter a second time, there's this: Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 08:54 Fidei86 wrote:
Can I ask you a question - what is your read on Yamato? He seems to think that you are hard town reading each other. Are you? If you are reading him town, why? Well, there was 0 follow up on this. Zero. What is the point of these questions then? Also, this: + Show Spoiler [full post] +On September 06 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote:It seems to me like the most important event today so far is the shit-fight between rayn and n00b. Rayn looks pretty obviously town to me. This is exactly the same as his town meta in voice-mafia, he tries to lead the discussion right from the front, ask questions, point things out and generally just be loud. I do think that a couple of his pushes have been a little questionable - the whole Breshke "yamato/rayn magic" thing was blown waaaaay out of proportion, and I think people were right to point this out. But, yeah, that's what I would have expected from town rayn. I hate n00b's style of posting, because there's really no reason to be so rude. I get it, you think that you're better than us all. That's fine, you might well be. But you can't honestly be surprised to find people don't like arrogant, superior people. And you're doing both in spades. If you're town, you're just digging your own grave at the moment. The post I most disliked from n00bking was #801. I think it's worth me quoting it in full: Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 07:47 n00bKing wrote:On September 06 2015 07:24 NocturneMage wrote:
Reading n00bking right now. Not liking what I see so far. I know he ranted about skill level of the site in the newbie I played and the one before that so I am ignoring that. But 278, 311 and 329, those posts I really don't like. 329, he's pushing rayn on semantics, doesn't have to be a case, all that matters is that he's calling rayn's points bullshit. The importance of the distinction between calling rayn's points bullshit and making a case for why he should be lynched cannot be overstated. You're right, "all that matters" is that rayn's points were being called bullshit (and they were bullshit). rayn mislabeled it as being something else, so I corrected him. Just as I corrected him when he tried to pretend I had said at some point that he is Scum. I'm sitting here reading this post, and I just keep asking myself "why does a town n00b make this post?". The only reason to call people's posts bad, without following with a read on the poster, is if you're trying to stop momentum on a wagon you think is wrong. Otherwise, you're just soft-scumming the poster. I would say probably half of n00b's filter up to now is his fight with rayn. And through all of that, he hasn't actually formed a read on him yet? How does that even make sense? If n00b is town, I don't get why he essentially causes the entirety of d1 to be about his fight with rayn, someone he doesn't even seem to have a scum read on ??? n00b is a scum-read for now. That said, there are a ton of other interesting things about this fight that are worth pondering. Yamato's thread is one I think is worth parsing a little more. He again seems to have been swept up in the fight, and is taking lots of swings at n00b. I've spent a fair amount of time talking to Yamato on TS, and I would say off the bat that his posts sound like him. But at the same time, he's a strong player and his absolute focus on n00b this early seems a little off. I'm also not sure that his post #598 makes a ton of sense. Rayn's read on Yamato is flimsy, at best. Even rayn would surely have to admit that trying to discern someone's alignment from how excited they are in their first post is pretty difficult. For two people who only know each other over the internet, it would be basically impossible. So why is yamato so keen to emphasise that he and rayn are hard town-reading each other? I think I will read Moosy and GB's filters, then head to bed. Any questions, fire away in the meantime. He's contradicting himself there: Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:52 Fidei86 wrote:On September 07 2015 07:50 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 07:48 Fidei86 wrote:On September 07 2015 07:44 Superbia wrote:
Also Fidei86's switch to some random wagon was pretty scummy. What, because I didn't want to be on the n00b wagon? Meh. I'm not sure that GB's claim left town much choice, and I should have gone straight to n00b, but only because I liked him less than Cake, not because I thought he was Mafia. Nah, because you should be switching to save the doctor. At 10m before EoD you chose to believe the claim and switched. Which means you wanted to save the doctor. But you go on some wagon no one is on. Makes me feel like "hey guys at least I switched lol". IDK. All I can say is that I'd been town-reading Cake and NK all day, basically, and I really didn't want to vote for either. You're right, I had to, but I was stubborn at first. Not much more I can say about it really. Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 17:27 Fidei86 wrote:
@Breshke I've already explained this - I was town reading n00b and Cake all day, and I didn't want to vote for either. I moved to n00b because I needed to choose one of the wagons other than GB. I was just being stubborn in not moving to n00b straight away. *shrug* idk what my Mafia motivation would be to not move to n00b (town) straight away, but then I guess I would say that. Concluding, there are some major flaws in Fidei's gameplay. 1. He does not push his votes. 2. He votes for people that he townread "basically all day" 3. He heavily contradicts himself in terms of his scum/townreads which is quite strange since, well, in the end he voted his town read. So I strongly suggest to look into Fidei in the context of the first 40 pages or so (which I still didn't manage to read up completely ffs).
This is a really good post.
I think you should seriously consider lynching James on D2.
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On September 08 2015 07:17 Fidei86 wrote:
Rayn did you read my post where I pointed out that what BF said wasn't completely true? There are probably good reasons to scum-read me, but my read evolution on n00b and my vote switches at EOD are not good reasons, IMO.
If you are town no, there arem't.
so you are probably mafia.
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Like you literally said noobking is your scumread, then ~20hours later you say "i have been townreading NK all day".
Which is just a straight out lie.
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You made a 514 words 2718 characters post about why you scumread noobking.
Then you just "forget" you have scumread him later on?
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On September 08 2015 07:27 Fidei86 wrote:Okay here is my read evolution on n00b: Show nested quote +I'm going to read back over some filters, and give some thoughts. My initial read through made me most sceptical of Moosy and n00b, especially as their play seemed very different to last time I played with them. Show nested quote +I'm sitting here reading this post, and I just keep asking myself "why does a town n00b make this post?". The only reason to call people's posts bad, without following with a read on the poster, is if you're trying to stop momentum on a wagon you think is wrong. Otherwise, you're just soft-scumming the poster. I would say probably half of n00b's filter up to now is his fight with rayn. And through all of that, he hasn't actually formed a read on him yet? How does that even make sense? If n00b is town, I don't get why he essentially causes the entirety of d1 to be about his fight with rayn, someone he doesn't even seem to have a scum read on ???
n00b is a scum-read for now. Show nested quote +GB I have thought about this overnight and I don't know if it makes sense for scum n00b to post in the way that he has. Like, the points he makes are *okay* and a lot of them against Rayn I actually made myself. People seem to be scumming him more for his tone, and I agree he has been very obnoxious. But isn't that more likely to come from town than Mafia? Why does Mafia come in and generally make as many enemies as possible?
I'm also acutely aware that it's a newbie town error just to lynch the most outspoken player d1. Show nested quote +So BF, hearing his name get mentioned as a possible policy lynch, enters the thread and basically gets on board with the n00b and the Cake wagons, then calls Rayn town for meta reasons.
His reasoning against n00b is not convincing. Whatever else you think of n00b (and I've said plenty), he hasn't shied away from dealing with specific issues. I've already said at length that I think there are issues with n00b's play, but I just think his overall play style makes more sense from a town perspective. Show nested quote +@n00bking
What the hell are you talking about? Information on a BF lynch? The dude has made like two posts, and the only people who have said anything are Scott and Cake. This is just such a bad argument, I don't even know where to begin. I was pretty sure you're town, but you keep digging yourself deeper and it's getting harder and harder to keep town reading you. Show nested quote +Ugh. Rayn, I'm concerned you're too tunnelled on n00b. I don't want to have to choose between voting Cake and n00b.
I'm going to park my vote on BF for now. I think he's a much better option than either of the two leading wagons. I guess I could also move onto scott - I don't have much of a read on him and his level of contribution has been pretty weak. Show nested quote +Right, okay. So, I have pretty serious reservations about this lynch, but I think it's probably a better lynch than n00b or Cake, and those seem to be my other options.
##Vote: GlowingBear
I'll be here towards EOD. Show nested quote +yeah, you guys were right, no way I build a wagon on MD now. So I have to move to NK. Ugh.
I do not care.
I care about the fact that you DID scumread him at one point. You made a big fucking post about it.
Later on you say you have townread him "all day long".
That is a lie.
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The only other option is Moosy is mafia.
There is no way yamato dies over me otherwise.
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gg yamato
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nvm.
##unvote
##vote: MoosyDoosy
He's gotta be scum. I trust yamato and i think that's why he died.
Otherwise we have played terribly in this game and i don't believe it's the case here.
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On September 08 2015 07:37 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The only other option is Moosy is mafia.
There is no way yamato dies over me otherwise. NK WIFOM best WIFOM?
Then why do you suggest yamato dies over me?
there is literally zero reason for that regardless of how good/bad my reasons are unless you think either:
1) GB is mafia
2) i am mafia
so which one is it?
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On September 08 2015 07:44 CopCake wrote:
@Rayn
What if they killed yamato because you were the obvious doctor protected person?
see my post above.
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On September 08 2015 07:49 GlowingBear wrote:
I was roleblocked. I tried to save yamato.
##vote: rayn
You're mafia.
you are terrible.
i will not play a fucking game with you NEVER more.
NEVER.
you are so bad at this game. so... so... so.. bad.
unless you are mafia.
I have had enough.
afk.
##unvote
##vote: GlowingBear
this is how far i got without getting mad.
my vote will not change, ever in this game.
so you better lynch me or GlowingBear. I will not give any fucking fucks what he flips and i hope he never talks to me any more.
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GlowingBear you are literalyl the most fucking anti-tpown player there is EVER in any game and you should be lynched D1 in EVERY SINGLE game regardless of your affiliation. Because when you are town you are not +1, but +2 mafia.
You are just so fucking bad.
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Now there is a counter-claim pick your lynch
I am afk.
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On September 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying GB is bad I don't think that. I think he is mafia
hahahahah
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On September 08 2015 08:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
eh. i still think it's copcake + fidei with someone else but i might be getting too tunneled. fidei comes off looking worse from this.
this guy is also mafia.
On September 08 2015 09:05 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 08:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
eh. i still think it's copcake + fidei with someone else but i might be getting too tunneled. fidei comes off looking worse from this. BEFORE I GO TO BED I WANT TO POINT OUT IN ALL CAPITALS THAT MOOSY HAS NEITHER OF THE CLAIMED F****** DOCTORS IN HIS F****** SCUM LIST. LIKE IT MIGHT NOT BE EITHER OF THEM? Are you kidding me with this shit?
this guy is not.
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On September 08 2015 09:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 09:24 Superbia wrote:
I'm here. Moosydoosy what do you make of the claims? rayn counterclaims because he's angry and thinks gb is bad at the game. i still think gb claim is BS.
fuck you i literally counter claimed because GB claimed my role and is not a doctor.
If GB flips town doctor you lynch me the next day.
It is simple as that.
And you don't think neither of us is mafia which automatically makes you scum.
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On September 08 2015 09:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 08 2015 09:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 08 2015 09:24 Superbia wrote:
I'm here. Moosydoosy what do you make of the claims? rayn counterclaims because he's angry and thinks gb is bad at the game. i still think gb claim is BS. fuck you i literally counter claimed because GB claimed my role and is not a doctor. If GB flips town doctor you lynch me the next day. It is simple as that. And you don't think neither of us is mafia which automatically makes you scum. no this can be false because i think you are angry as you are right now and that you're putting enough faith into your gb read to try and kill him.
You are so fucked when he flips mafia.
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lolol GB "knows" i am lying but is voting for James.
this game is hilarious.
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On September 08 2015 09:38 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:lolol GB "knows" i am lying but is voting for James. this game is hilarious. You can be doing this out of true rage. Fidei can't be believing you after all those things.
Oh but you just said you believe he fits as a scumbuddy with rayn.
get rekt scum.
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On September 08 2015 09:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 09:34 Superbia wrote:On September 08 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 08 2015 09:30 Superbia wrote:
Why is copcake mafia? if rayn is willing to calm down and listen i will provide why she is mafia. Just letters on a screen. Present the case please. c00l one mo im adding one little bit at the end. ...rayn are you willing to at least read through the whole thing please?
nope
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I have literally zero reason to post until EoN2.
Doesn't help i would most likely end up arguing with scummydoosy.
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On September 08 2015 22:03 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have literally zero reason to post until EoN2.
Doesn't help i would most likely end up arguing with scummydoosy. False. We need to keep looking for the other 2 scum. Wasting a day is what the Mafia are hoping we'll do.
Not really, we are looking for 1 more scum.
And at this point i am biased of thinking NM is the last scum because he cannot realize Cake cannot possibly be mafia.
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Oh really?
Then why is your filter from D2 basically purely focused on telling "why Cake is mafia"?
Because the townie thing to do, if you realize she isn't, is to say:
"it does not matter, she cannot be mafia". Instead of these posts:
On September 08 2015 09:33 NocturneMage wrote:Hang on. I kept hammering the same post home d1. Going to find it again lol.
On September 08 2015 09:36 NocturneMage wrote:This is NOT my case/points, but these are some points presented against her: Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 06:30 n00bKing wrote:On September 06 2015 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 06:03 n00bKing wrote:On September 06 2015 02:10 yamato77 wrote: n00bKing wrote:
On THIS site, it seems like the games usually have a few dim bulbs. It's a lower level of play than I'm used to, and I'm still trying to make adjustments. This is an example of such an adjustment. Fucking LOL pot, kettle, black Mmmm, NO. It was only my SECOND game here on this site, when I asked the other players if they knew of any good places to play Mafia-by-Forum. Because this ain't it. Players here don't care, players here don't try, and I don't think some of them would know how to try even if they wanted to. But I had said I would play in Moosy's 4th and final Newbie game, so here I am. stop bitching. this is the site with the most quality mafia games on the internet. why is cake mafia? Most games, maybe, which is why I came here. Because the places I like to play don't have games as frequently. But there's no quality here. Cake is suspicious because her vote against me comes in an obvious pile-on position for Scum that is looking for a safe place to land. She continually says things about Moosy that are not true, and projects onto him her own scummy behaviors, as though she's watching a mirror instead of watching him. She is also overly defensive in situations that don't call for it. Which is not always a Scum trait, but is seen from Scum more often than from Town, in my experience. GlowingBear and Scott (mostly GB) have cited specific posts from CopCake that are suspicious, and I had similar findings.
On September 08 2015 09:57 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 09:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 08 2015 09:52 NocturneMage wrote:
Yeah MD I also took issue with #3, she blew that out of proportion by saying you were antagonising her. Like I read around her response to you. Her comment against you is bullshit. what do you think about the case in general? I think the case overall is excellent. #1 and 3 were points that n00bking alluded to, and #3 and #5 were similar to the ideas I was hammering home. I'm also not impressed she couldn't readily produce the associative reads off her top scum read.
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On September 08 2015 22:24 NocturneMage wrote:
rayn, here's the thing, her play has been scummy to me, so I can't ignore that. I don't think in terms of absolutes either as the claim situation from gb is stronger than my read (or any read) on cake and I'm working backwards on that and looking at all possibilities.
that's why I'm talking about a possible bus in a world where gb and cake are both mafia, do I think it's likely, probably not, but her gameplay has me thinking twice. I'd hate to have just entirely ignored the possibility where someone (anyone) makes a sick bus early on in the game and then rides that cred to victory.
Let's assume you believe the second part you wrote is true.
How can you possibly ever think anyone is mafia if "anything is possible"?
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On September 08 2015 22:31 NocturneMage wrote:
and yet again I can't tell why you'd assume illogical = mafia. several situations I've observed where "illogical" townies have gotten mislynched in these games. or where townies have played suboptimally and just mafia-sided hard.
If you think my scum reading copcake is mafia driven or flawed (or with md's) I'm surprised she hasn't refuted the points made. Personally I understand the confirmation bias argument with some of the points made by md, but to me it's just when you take all those points together, you have a fairly strong case.
Even if you or her think the case is bad if she was town, I don't get why she isn't carrying on and looking for the other two scum or in her world where gb and md are scum, the last scum. At some point, to me, any town just sitting back and not doing anything isn't going to help.
She already thinks GB and Moosydoosy are mafia and that's pretty much guaranteed 2/2 right.
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Look i don't really care.
If you want to push Cake who has been calling GB mafia all game long fine. Please do.
When GB flips i will convince the town to lynch Moosydoosy.
If you do continue this i will also convince the town lynch you after Moosydoosy flips scum.
Because oh boy, after that you look really stupid if you are town.
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And this is exactly why i don't want to say anything until EoN2.
So please, everyone continue doing whatever you want to push.
I am reading, just not posting.
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There is nothing sub-optimal in my play because i literally thought both of GB and noobking are mafia and i am sure as hell not gonna out myself on D1 if i am 99% sure i am lynching mafia anyways.
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N1 there are only three plausible scenarios, from likeliest to unlikeliest:
1) GlowingBear is mafia and does not get shot
2) I doc GlowingBear (which i did) in case he is just a terrible townie saving his own skin from getting lynched by fakeclaiming -> noone dies -> GB is confirmed town
3) I die -> GB is confirmed mafia.
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EBWOP:
1) GlowingBear is mafia and does not get shot (mafia does not know who the doctor is and is medic dodging and therefore not shooting me)
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On September 09 2015 03:11 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
N1 there are only three plausible scenarios, from likeliest to unlikeliest:
1) GlowingBear is mafia and does not get shot
2) I doc GlowingBear (which i did) in case he is just a terrible townie saving his own skin from getting lynched by fakeclaiming -> noone dies -> GB is confirmed town
3) I die -> GB is confirmed mafia. OR Mafia KNOWS I'm the doctor, roleblocks me and kill the towniest guy in the game or goes after the other role.
Yeah sure. Like any mafia team would keep the non-cc'd power role alive. It's plain out retarded.
Keep that up scum.
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On September 07 2015 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:12 yamato77 wrote:
It would be quite amazing if both GB and NK were mafia. they are.
On September 07 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
shit got real.
On September 07 2015 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:i am actually heavily considering to just doing this.
On September 07 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:17 yamato77 wrote:
NO NO NO NO NO
No fucking doctor softs blue at the start of the day, jokingly or not this
On September 07 2015 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
fuck. what do we do rayn. believe him or not?? do not
On September 07 2015 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no just lynch GB.
On September 07 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Lol GB, if you are town I hope you fucking learn how to play because i have no words to say how stupid you are for your play this whole phase
ftfy
On September 07 2015 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:On September 07 2015 07:20 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:
JESUS I SAID I WAS VIGI BECAUSE MAFIA KNOW THE ROLES SO I WOULDNT BE SHOT AR NIHJT If you claim Vigilante in a ruleset where you're the Doctor, the Cop would know you are lying. So he just checks me at night if he is smart. Then he gets a green check on me and I keep alive. That's why I didn't want to talk about my claim. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
On September 07 2015 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:22 Fidei86 wrote:
Meh, my reads are all wrong, but lynching into the doctor claim seems dumb. Switched to MD. no no no.
On September 07 2015 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
5min, the only acceptable switch is noobking.
what do we do?
quick,.
On September 07 2015 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: n00bKing
Ifcake gets lynched i am going to fucking yell at every single piece of shit of you who voted for her.
On September 07 2015 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:27 yamato77 wrote:On September 07 2015 07:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 07 2015 07:25 Superbia wrote:
Switch to noobking. im not up for this. gb's thought process makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. why would he think cop would check him unless he's godfather??? do not underestimate GB's ability to be dumb mmm this he's dead anyways on D2.
you can all make your own conclusions.
i am done with talking to glowingbear.
he is 100% mafia.
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On September 09 2015 03:31 Fidei86 wrote:
I liked Superbia's effort in his list post earlier, but I totally disagree with his Slam read. I basically think I need to get to grips with Cake, because I think figuring out her alignment will make this a bunch easier. I'm out this evening but I'll be back on tonight.
I actually think he is mafia for that post.
Before it he claims "it will probably solve the game", and the post introduces 4 scumreads and a bunch of null-reads.
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On September 09 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:I think the following people are mafia: NocturneMage, Slam, Fidei.meh i don't fucking know, maybe i am wrong on one of those and Moosy is actualyl scum. There is a chance GlowingBear is scum, but it will sort out itself anyways so i don't really care. I don't really feel like writing a lot of stuff now. NM: totally isn't reading the thread properly. There are things like: Pretty sure n00b was interacting/pushing rayn at least the first half of the cycle. noobking himself said he wasn't pushing me. he is either not reading, or for some reason doesn't care. Furthermore he scumreads both noobking and Cake. Apparently noobkign was just being terrible all game but there was ZERO chance both of noobking and Cake are mafia, so scumreading both of htem makes absolutely no sense. Like his reads are not logical, and they do not make any sense at all. He isn't listening to what other people say at all. He is just calling some people scum for no reason. Fidei feels like he is not even in the game. Like he is just here and not doing anything at all. idk... i can't explain it better, he jsut isn't doing anything. And the vote switch from GB to boxer was super terrible, there is no way ANYONE should do that if they want to save someone. There was no chance boxerfred is gonna get lynched either way. Slam is scum. I don't care yamato, sorry. He is just scum because he isn't listening to me and he is not answering me. He dodges fucking questions and i don't like it. Kill with fire. If i am wrong on something then it's probably Moosy who is the last mafia. The noobking/cake read he had is like super bad and feels like he just wants two townies lynched.
If you are do not lynch Cake on D2. She is not mafia and you should not trust people who want to lynch her. Mafia is gonna try that 100%. I promise. Glowingbear if you are town get your head out of your fucking ass and eat roleblocks for the rest of the game. Also if you do not doc me you are terrible as fuck. I don't care what you think. You have been super bad in this game and now is time to start playing properly if you are not mafia. yamato you can do this. I believe in you and Cake. Work together please and solve this shit. boxerfred and scott are not scum either. When they posted they talked about relevant things and had logical conclusions on stuff. If you compare this to for example James there is a huge fucking difference in how they approach the game. It should be really easy to see. Those are also lynches mafia is going to push (boxer/scott), they are easy to lynch because they do not generally post much. Townies do not fall into the trap. Superbia is not mafia either, ESPECIALLY if GB is town. It doesn't make any sense for him to push the lynch against GB if that was the case. If GB is mafia, i'd put Superbia into null-category. That could make sense. Although atm i do not believe GB to be mafia so only if he is scum and you guys catch him somehow, then re-evaluate Superbia. Mafia is basically in NM, James, Slam, Moosy(?) and GB(?). The last one will sort itself out, so do not worry about him. He'll claim roleblocked anyways. Do not claim in case GB is scum and you are blue, until someone who is town (basically not from the list above) is gonna get lynched. I would probably lynch Slam on D2. His posts have zero substance, and they don't even make any sense from slam!logic!pov. Again, he fails to answer questions that are super clear. Do not let him get away with it. I am sorry i did that on D1. goodluck
yeah so you conclusde that i would cc you on N1 which is even more retarded than cc'ing you on D1. lol.
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Or if you are trying to say i am contradicting myself then yes, i am, obviously, because either:
1) i die and you are confirmed mafia anyways
2) i don't die in which case i can say what the fuck i want on N1 anyways
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anyways i am off to play heroes.
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On September 09 2015 05:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The funny thing is that I looked at a game where rayn + CopCake were mafia.
which game would that be?
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On September 09 2015 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 05:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The funny thing is that I looked at a game where rayn + CopCake were mafia. which game would that be?
Moosydoosy answer asap-.
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On September 09 2015 05:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 09 2015 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 09 2015 05:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The funny thing is that I looked at a game where rayn + CopCake were mafia. which game would that be? Moosydoosy answer asap-. one moment i'm still answering questions. u tunneled fool can wait.
asnwer right now, then you can do what the fuck you want to
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because the thing is i have never been mafia with cake on tl
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On September 09 2015 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
also @Superbia:
I already explained this to Fidei. My read progression was as follows:
1. n00bKing is town.
2. Everyone scum reads n00bKing.
3. Me: ???...maybe I'm wrong
4. n00bKing posts more of his usual stuff
5. Me: n00bKing is town.
I can prove the bolded wrong.
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On September 09 2015 05:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 05:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 09 2015 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
also @Superbia:
I already explained this to Fidei. My read progression was as follows:
1. n00bKing is town.
2. Everyone scum reads n00bKing.
3. Me: ???...maybe I'm wrong
4. n00bKing posts more of his usual stuff
5. Me: n00bKing is town. I can prove the bolded wrong. i can prove the bolded right.
please do. you literally said "noobking is making for a big case which he would do right now as town" for like the fucking last 24h of the time. You then said he could be mafia when i pointed out there was never a case.
You are lying.
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On September 09 2015 05:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i'm not going to talk about n00bking with u rayn. bottom line on that matter was that you were tunneled and wrong and i was right.
But i am going to prove you are mafia because you are contradicting yourself right now.
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On September 09 2015 05:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 09 2015 05:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 09 2015 05:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 09 2015 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
also @Superbia:
I already explained this to Fidei. My read progression was as follows:
1. n00bKing is town.
2. Everyone scum reads n00bKing.
3. Me: ???...maybe I'm wrong
4. n00bKing posts more of his usual stuff
5. Me: n00bKing is town. I can prove the bolded wrong. i can prove the bolded right. please do. you literally said "noobking is making for a big case which he would do right now as town" for like the fucking last 24h of the time. You then said he could be mafia when i pointed out there was never a case. You are lying. no i am not lying. n00bKing was mafia if he didn't give any reads and tried to solely continue with his useless ego contest. when he is mafia he uses a townie cover (most of the time me) and stirs up chaos behind it. he gave clear reads behind it. also, his big case normally comes at the end of night 1 because he's died 66% of the time on N1 as town. but u guys lynched him on D1 l0l. don't tell me u know what n00bKing does because I DO.
sorry mate but that was exactly what he was doing all D1-.
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And you literally said "he is working on a big case right now".
Now you are saying "it will come at the end of N1".
ahhahahahh
okay guys scum is just trolling in this game rn.
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On September 09 2015 05:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
but u guys lynched him on D1 l0l. don't tell me u know what n00bKing does because I DO.
And don't you fucking dare to pull this shit on me or anyone because you LITERALLY misread him 100% in the last game when like 50% of the townies alive correctly read him as scum.
You are shit at reading him,. Your read on him is shit in this game. Your reads are shit.
You are mafia.
You die on D3.
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On September 09 2015 06:47 Fidei86 wrote:
Cake, can you please link us to the post where Yamato says he town-reads you? I just went back through his filter and I saw one post where he said "I don't like MD, therefore I don't like the Cake lynch", but that's hardly ... like a strong read.
are you fucking serious?
go read yamato's filter.
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gonna post my reads at the end of N2.
i am dead anyways.
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On September 10 2015 07:55 Superbia wrote:
Oh yeah, cop should probably out check 10 seconds before EoN. Unless your check somehow died (shouldn't have).
never do this.
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I you are a cop never ever never out here, this night.
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On September 10 2015 09:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
fidei u are probably the first person i am going to look into just because i have no idea what ur posting half the time.
Fidei is confirmed town.
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Cake is also confirmed town.
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Like the short reasoning is Moosy for his shit read on noobking and not realizing GB has to be mafia FOR the counterclaim AND not dying. Both of those are no-brainer things and Moosy is intelligent enough to understand that.
Superbia is mafai for the sole fact that he made a post where he says "my next post is going to solve the game most likely". His next post has FOUR scumreads AND three null-reads.
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On September 10 2015 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 10:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the short reasoning is Moosy for his shit read on noobking and not realizing GB has to be mafia FOR the counterclaim AND not dying. Both of those are no-brainer things and Moosy is intelligent enough to understand that.
Superbia is mafai for the sole fact that he made a post where he says "my next post is going to solve the game most likely". His next post has FOUR scumreads AND three null-reads. A. my read on n00bKing was perfectly fine but you're refusing to accept it.
Yeah it would be fine if you did not go consistently against it.
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ahahahah
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this mafia team is so funny.
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On September 10 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
what rayn says. if you claim here then you let mafia know the power roles. on the other hand if you stay silent you buy yourself 2 more nights including this one minimum.
rayn are you not going to post until end of night or can you share some thoughts now?
I thought i was not a doctor?
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Okay so here is where i am at:
CopCake, scott31337, boxerfred and Fidei and purely town from either their interactions with the thread on D2, or their stance on GlowingBear (or other way around -> scott) in this game. It should be pretty obvious.
I actually thought NocturneMage is mafia but at this point i like his D2 (especially the push on Superbia, while it was soft and sorta faded out, it was still okay given that i think Superbia is definitely mafia). When Superbia flips scum, never ever lynch NM.
Superbia and MoosyDoosy defs top mafia at this moment.
I have to reread Slam's and Breshke's filters, but usually i am really good in remembering shit i find scummy and i don't think Breshke has much of it. I have honcestly not paid much attention to what Slam has been posting this day phase because it was pretty much garbage at the start of the day and i thought he was mafia. It is just that Superbia posts i pointed out are really contradicting and i find him more scummy at.
Cop i would suggest you check into Superbia/MoosyDoosy/Slam/Breshke (that's my order of preference) this night.
If you get red, think if it is the correct play to out and make your decision. If you got green, do remember that there is a godfather in this game, so one of your checks might not be accurate.
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On September 10 2015 11:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 11:15 Breshke wrote:On September 10 2015 10:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 10 2015 10:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 10 2015 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 10 2015 10:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the short reasoning is Moosy for his shit read on noobking and not realizing GB has to be mafia FOR the counterclaim AND not dying. Both of those are no-brainer things and Moosy is intelligent enough to understand that.
Superbia is mafai for the sole fact that he made a post where he says "my next post is going to solve the game most likely". His next post has FOUR scumreads AND three null-reads. A. my read on n00bKing was perfectly fine but you're refusing to accept it. Yeah it would be fine if you did not go consistently against it. ? i've already explained my thought process behind the "inconsistencies" you've pointed out but you just don't accept it. like sure, i've accepted that you're tunneled so just make a case on end of night and hopefully you're at least right on superbia. either way, it's pretty dumb of mafia to kill you here because your claim about being a doctor was obviously false. Wait so if Ryan's claim about being the doctor was false why were you fine with people lynching GB???? rayn was confident enough in his read on GB to do his doc claim shenanigans.
I believe GB convinced you of this in your scum QT.
I seriously do and you are making it worse every moment.
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On September 10 2015 11:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 11:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 10 2015 11:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 10 2015 11:15 Breshke wrote:On September 10 2015 10:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 10 2015 10:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 10 2015 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 10 2015 10:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the short reasoning is Moosy for his shit read on noobking and not realizing GB has to be mafia FOR the counterclaim AND not dying. Both of those are no-brainer things and Moosy is intelligent enough to understand that.
Superbia is mafai for the sole fact that he made a post where he says "my next post is going to solve the game most likely". His next post has FOUR scumreads AND three null-reads. A. my read on n00bKing was perfectly fine but you're refusing to accept it. Yeah it would be fine if you did not go consistently against it. ? i've already explained my thought process behind the "inconsistencies" you've pointed out but you just don't accept it. like sure, i've accepted that you're tunneled so just make a case on end of night and hopefully you're at least right on superbia. either way, it's pretty dumb of mafia to kill you here because your claim about being a doctor was obviously false. Wait so if Ryan's claim about being the doctor was false why were you fine with people lynching GB???? rayn was confident enough in his read on GB to do his doc claim shenanigans. I believe GB convinced you of this in your scum QT. I seriously do and you are making it worse every moment. ok. i already provided reasoning early on as to why your claim would have been false which apparently also falls into your whole timeline of GB convincing me about you. like sure if you want to think that lol. it’s completely in your character to do a fake claim in order to force a lynch that you’re positive in whether you think that of yourself or not. -shrugs- if this was your case i’m kind of disappointed. all it provides is: “lynch these people and then do this based on the results” i’d also like your reasoning as to why you think copcake is the cop?
First of all you ahev absolutely no idea what would "fit my character" or what does not.
Second, if you were town and you believed you are right here (that i am fakeclaiming), you would be happy about it and shut up, because that would result in mafia shooting me (as NOONE except you in this game believes this is the case) and the real doctor doccing me. So yeah, what you are saying here doesn't make a single bit of sense from town perspective.
Third, i have never implied i think Cake is the cop. I don't bluehunt when i am town. When a blue flips or outs i see if it makes sense or not.
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Nobody talk about blue roles with MoosyDoosy so you do not give anything out.
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On September 10 2015 12:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 11:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 10 2015 11:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 10 2015 11:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 10 2015 11:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 10 2015 11:15 Breshke wrote:On September 10 2015 10:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 10 2015 10:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 10 2015 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 10 2015 10:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the short reasoning is Moosy for his shit read on noobking and not realizing GB has to be mafia FOR the counterclaim AND not dying. Both of those are no-brainer things and Moosy is intelligent enough to understand that.
Superbia is mafai for the sole fact that he made a post where he says "my next post is going to solve the game most likely". His next post has FOUR scumreads AND three null-reads. A. my read on n00bKing was perfectly fine but you're refusing to accept it. Yeah it would be fine if you did not go consistently against it. ? i've already explained my thought process behind the "inconsistencies" you've pointed out but you just don't accept it. like sure, i've accepted that you're tunneled so just make a case on end of night and hopefully you're at least right on superbia. either way, it's pretty dumb of mafia to kill you here because your claim about being a doctor was obviously false. Wait so if Ryan's claim about being the doctor was false why were you fine with people lynching GB???? rayn was confident enough in his read on GB to do his doc claim shenanigans. I believe GB convinced you of this in your scum QT. I seriously do and you are making it worse every moment. ok. i already provided reasoning early on as to why your claim would have been false which apparently also falls into your whole timeline of GB convincing me about you. like sure if you want to think that lol. it’s completely in your character to do a fake claim in order to force a lynch that you’re positive in whether you think that of yourself or not. -shrugs- if this was your case i’m kind of disappointed. all it provides is: “lynch these people and then do this based on the results” i’d also like your reasoning as to why you think copcake is the cop? First of all you ahev absolutely no idea what would "fit my character" or what does not. Second, if you were town and you believed you are right here (that i am fakeclaiming), you would be happy about it and shut up, because that would result in mafia shooting me (as NOONE except you in this game believes this is the case) and the real doctor doccing me. So yeah, what you are saying here doesn't make a single bit of sense from town perspective. Third, i have never implied i think Cake is the cop. I don't bluehunt when i am town. When a blue flips or outs i see if it makes sense or not. 1. ok. how long will it take me to get some semblance of your meta? 2 years? 3? 2. no i will not be fucking happy because you are the town leader and we need you alive. like if ur not the doc then ur still the obvious target to heal and i think the doc has the mind to do that anyway. on the off chance that u are the doc i don't want the mafia to lynch u. wat about that in my posts trying to protect u do you not get??? i don't want you to die. 3. then why did u tell cake to check superbia/me/slam/breshke in that post of urs?
1. definitely more than one game.
2. no no no.
3. rofl
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I am pretty sure we have played exactly once together.
If i am not right please do correct me.
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Okay in which of those games i fakeclaimed to get my read killed?
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In what exactly was your read on GlowingBear based on to begin with?
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I also guess you sat out the game where Hopeless, trfel and rsoultin were mafia correct?
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On September 10 2015 13:01 Breshke wrote:
Moosey even in the retardedness world where rayn isn't the doctor can you explain what town motivation you have raising your suspicions about this AT NIGHT even when you don't think rayn is mafia
Like this.
On D1 you don't want to believe me & yamato over yourself. Apparently you had a townread on both of us.
On N1 GlowingBear is an uncounterclaimed doctor, you suddenly believe him to be mafia??!?!?
On D2, when i "fakeclaim", you STILL think GlowingBear is mafia, when he STILL is in your opinion uncounterclaimed doctor.
It doesn't make any sense at all, given that this is something i would NOT do as town, but actually i COULD do that as mafia.
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On September 10 2015 13:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
if rayn is doctor, then i hopefully draw away a kill on him by saying that he was obviously fakeclaiming which also matches my belief that he was.
This does not make any sense either, because when i die, you look like shit as NOTHING you say right now makes any sense. You should NOT be the one wifoming in case you are town, because you want to be clear as possible. If i die and you are town, you just put yourself in the death row.
Saying you were WIFOMing the night kill helps you exactly 0% of the time there.
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Breshke how does the flip affect your reads?
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No you are not too arrogant.
But i still think you do not make any sense in scumreading GlowingBear when he is supposed to be un-cc'd doctor to you.
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Fine.
Well let's assume you are town for like until the end of night because otherwise we are not gonna have a productive discussion. I have asked you everything i want to regarding you.
Who is your other scumread besides Cake? We obviously disagree on that one.
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nah you can do that tomorrow aswell. there is still time and i am gonna be here all tomorrow anyways since the distraction of glowingbear has been removed from the game.
you look into who you believe is mafia.
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Alakaslam why did you read GlowingBear mafia on N1?
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No, a real reason.
So far your reasoning for any of your reads is just plain out terrible.
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On September 10 2015 14:09 Breshke wrote:
Rayn bout your question before I kind of think Fidel is more townie after the flip (explained it to moosey a bit before
Also you are obviously lock town now
I also fail to understand how moosey can be town after the last few pages unless he is really stupid which I don't think/hope is the case.
I would need to check this out but didn't you believe GB was scum in the first place on D2?
Like how does it make sense your read on Fidei changes when you already think "GB is scum = true"?
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On September 08 2015 08:17 Breshke wrote:I don't understand why we couldn't have just lynched GB without rayn claiming
I mean you say things like this, and then your read om Fidei (on D2) is not like:
- "GB is mafia -> therefore Fidei XYZ"
but instead
- "My read on Fidei is this, BUT if GB flips mafia it changes in this way"
Like obviously i am "exxaggerating" here, but you should get what i mean.
It's like you have a red check but you "are not sure on someone in case your red check is in fact town".
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On September 10 2015 14:15 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 10 2015 14:09 Breshke wrote:
Rayn bout your question before I kind of think Fidel is more townie after the flip (explained it to moosey a bit before
Also you are obviously lock town now
I also fail to understand how moosey can be town after the last few pages unless he is really stupid which I don't think/hope is the case. I would need to check this out but didn't you believe GB was scum in the first place on D2? Like how does it make sense your read on Fidei changes when you already think "GB is scum = true"? ahh I thought the question ment what reads have changed since the flip not because of the flip
oh okay, i misunderstood then.
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or like rofl, you did, and it makes my posts nvm.
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So Slam, who do you think is mafia atm?
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On September 10 2015 14:26 Alakaslam wrote:
I am unsure between superbia, fidei, Moosy and nocturne.
Was going to look into them. I might actually do it but I might just cruise
why are boxerfred and breshke not mafia anymore?
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Like boxerfred has made literally no posts after the last time you called him mafia....
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because i have this obsession to always solve the game and i definitely have not solved this one yet.
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Okay guys it's nine o'clock on a Saturday....
This game is not....
On March 08 2014 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This thread has everything; plans, anti-plans, marv, MSPaint pictures, lots of laughs, a few scum dead here and there, trains, marv, kiterayn & kiteartanis, torches, sauna, friends hanging out together, broodwar...
what else do you need?
...like this.
We need trains.
At least trains.
Here are some trains.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/flDqI9c.png)
and
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Vk2Xdgx.png)
... so sweet, so sweet.
No who is going to do the train?
Is it, "i give kisses" James?
maybe "fuck you i am not mafia" Cake?
or "i should have posted mspaint like a week ago" Slam?
perhaps it's going to be "everyone thinks i am scum but i am not" Moosy?
or someone else? who knows...
I am scared yamato, hold me. <3
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Now is this guy mafia?
On March 20 2014 04:42 some lovable person wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iPtZcpw.png?1)
On March 20 2014 04:52 THE HOST:
Who is that supposed to be?
On March 20 2014 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i obviously saw who is that name.
oljoolzef
or this guy?
On March 24 2014 05:24 Palmar wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/v5zV06Y.png) All the scummy people are on Oats.
or this guy?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GFLgEfL.png)
or this guy?
On March 08 2014 02:21 Blazinghand wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pVH0Sc7.png)
On March 08 2014 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:what the fuck is that Blazinghand? some leg disorder?
you decide... you... decide.
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James all you had to do is to read my & yamato's filter.
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the only thing you apparently didn't do....
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On September 22 2015 07:31 scott31337 wrote:
GG you played well fucking bus master
that was so bad.
so fucking bad.
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On September 22 2015 07:34 Superbia wrote:
WP moosy. :D
rofl
BG town.
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gg yamato.
it was nice. <3
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On September 22 2015 07:38 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2015 07:34 Superbia wrote:
WP moosy. :D rofl BG town. Very true. I played like shit.  Was not able to concentrate on the game at all.
meh.. you are usually way better as town.
i totally missed Cake as you looked like scum.
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On September 22 2015 07:38 Fidei86 wrote:
This honestly wasn't fun for me at all. I think this is the end of my Mafia career boys. I don't want to do that again.
don't worry about it. everyone has bad games.
Just try to learn what you did wrong and learn from it.
If you wanna talk about it come to ts.
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Yeah Moosy played well. I am not saying he did not.
I am saying he should have been lynched after my & yamato's reads on him.
Rayn, you can't blame fidei for not letting you realise cake was Mafia, if that's what you meant. Also, if you got cake so wrong, reading your opinion on Moosy shouldn't mean much for him to be fair. Fidei did what he could in LYLO. And he was very townie imo.
yes i read cake wrong.
no, that had nothing to do with my read on moosy if you ever read my filter.
the point on D1 was he goes "wow GB claimed, rayn what do we do?" when it is OBVIOUS his top townread (noobking) is gonna get lynched. So like he doesn't care, unless GB is lynched. Another point was that he didn't push cake on D2, when it was me against you GB --- he doesn't think neither of us is mafia (rofl) yet he doesn't want to push Cake (his top 1 scumread). It just doesn't make any sense.
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On September 22 2015 08:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 08:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Yeah Moosy played well. I am not saying he did not. I am saying he should have been lynched after my & yamato's reads on him. Rayn, you can't blame fidei for not letting you realise cake was Mafia, if that's what you meant. Also, if you got cake so wrong, reading your opinion on Moosy shouldn't mean much for him to be fair. Fidei did what he could in LYLO. And he was very townie imo. yes i read cake wrong. no, that had nothing to do with my read on moosy if you ever read my filter. the point on D1 was he goes "wow GB claimed, rayn what do we do?" when it is OBVIOUS his top townread (noobking) is gonna get lynched. So like he doesn't care, unless GB is lynched. Another point was that he didn't push cake on D2, when it was me against you GB --- he doesn't think neither of us is mafia (rofl) yet he doesn't want to push Cake (his top 1 scumread). It just doesn't make any sense. ? I was actually pushing Cake. Perhaps I had zero thread presence so you don't remember it.
no you really were not.
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On September 22 2015 08:12 yamato77 wrote:we wrecked mafia if only we had the balls to stay on GB, game could have been won right there basically damn
I love to play with you when you are town.
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well tbh yamato we did not.....
we were 100% wrong on one mafia.
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On September 22 2015 08:17 CopCake wrote:
But that is because is me, but i will admit I played fucking bad because I was 100% mad the whole game.
hahaha
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On September 22 2015 08:21 Half the Sky wrote:
I don't really understand why people were reading Copcake town early onwards. I might be biased but Mage's push early game was spot on. It was logical from his perspective, a player in his second forum game of mafia who doesn't know Copcake, who has never played voice mafia (at least with TLers, and RL mafia is slightly different), him highlighting the things that didn't make sense in her posts.
And her lack of response to him should NEVER cause him to EVER townread her. So that was realllyyyyyy odd.
It's because she showed some of her town traits.
Iagree with the second part but noobking, MD and GB were just too much scummier.
Noobking was the worst in this game, contradicting himself in everything.
Otherwise i would not even bring this up but when he goes on to trash on TLMafia fuck you dude, go away plz.
Also 60% why i read MD mafia, his read on NK was so retarded.
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Slam why do you intentionally fuck me over in any games you are town in lately?
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On September 22 2015 08:30 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 08:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Slam why do you intentionally fuck me over in any games you are town in lately? I did not intentionally do this? Reference?
ugh.. you do it unintentionally then...
meh... even worse.
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On September 22 2015 08:38 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 08:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2015 08:21 Half the Sky wrote:
I don't really understand why people were reading Copcake town early onwards. I might be biased but Mage's push early game was spot on. It was logical from his perspective, a player in his second forum game of mafia who doesn't know Copcake, who has never played voice mafia (at least with TLers, and RL mafia is slightly different), him highlighting the things that didn't make sense in her posts.
And her lack of response to him should NEVER cause him to EVER townread her. So that was realllyyyyyy odd.
It's because she showed some of her town traits. Iagree with the second part but noobking, MD and GB were just too much scummier. Noobking was the worst in this game, contradicting himself in everything. Otherwise i would not even bring this up but when he goes on to trash on TLMafia fuck you dude, go away plz. Also 60% why i read MD mafia, his read on NK was so retarded. I just don't understand then why I was scumread for it then. Unless I was getting scumread related to MD/GB. I'm not trying to be a dick here but I honestly do want to improve upon my play but there's no way I could have seen those traits without experiencing voice mafia.
lemme check this up tmrw and say something about it.
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On September 23 2015 05:09 yamato77 wrote:
Still delusional even after the game. You tried your hardest to get two mafia completely cleared on D1. I won't miss you, lynching you was satisfying because I didn't have to read your posts anymore. Don't come back.
+1
Boxerfred lynch was so terrible. Literally so terrible.
N1 kill and N2 kill BOTH have moosy as the top mafia candidate and you guys let him lead a lynch?!?!?
pff.....
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On September 23 2015 20:35 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 19:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 23 2015 05:09 yamato77 wrote:
Still delusional even after the game. You tried your hardest to get two mafia completely cleared on D1. I won't miss you, lynching you was satisfying because I didn't have to read your posts anymore. Don't come back. +1 Boxerfred lynch was so terrible. Literally so terrible. N1 kill and N2 kill BOTH have moosy as the top mafia candidate and you guys let him lead a lynch?!?!? pff..... Nah. In a 150+ pages game, I'm almost always in to lynch the guy who has a filter of 2(!) pages. It's totally fine. However the next lynch after Copcake should've been Moosy. Especially since I got pushed by him. The fact of N1 kill and N2 kill having MD as top scum read PLUS the fact that he pushed a rather easy mislynch? Strong, strong scum indicators.
No, it's about the fact that when mafia flipped, suddenly he decides to NOT push Cake anymore..
And you were obviously town from your D1.
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The reason we lost is that noone from the town stepped in after D2 and lead, and you let mafia to lead.
Also Breshke gave himself away as a doctor way too easily.
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On September 23 2015 21:47 rsoultin wrote:
You were lynched as a last-minute switch, bf, so in all likelihood...no, not much thought went into your lynch. That is the risk that more inactive players run when the leading wagon claims a role, unfortunately. People generally don't default the lynch to high-volume players with just a few minutes left before deadline.
...which is exactly why the whole D3 was so dumb. The most scummy person in the game was allowed to drive the thread whole day.
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On September 23 2015 22:12 rsoultin wrote:
yes, there was a leadership vacuum, but not everyone is made to lead or knows how or when to do so
Yes there was, Moosy. Which is why he played well and town didn't.
I know people might not know how to lead, it doesn't make my argument invalid.
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On September 24 2015 00:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I didn't follow the game too closely especially after my coachee died but I felt Scott did a good job of portraying himself as town, both earlier in the game and during lylo. Definitely better than he has been in previous games.
Yeah, as did boxerfred imo.
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On September 24 2015 01:18 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 23 2015 22:12 rsoultin wrote:
yes, there was a leadership vacuum, but not everyone is made to lead or knows how or when to do so Yes there was, Moosy. Which is why he played well and town didn't. I know people might not know how to lead, it doesn't make my argument invalid. I super ultra MEGA disagree
ofc he did. he won the game.
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