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Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 23:27 GMT
#1741
@Cake I'm not talking about your rayn read now. As I've said about ten times, the odds of rayn being mafia now are just so low, it's probably not worth thinking about. But that read is so strong BECAUSE of the CC issue. I'm talking about your D1 read, and particularly your early read on him. And it's also about how that read basically dominated most of your D1, in terms of you defending rayn and pushing MD/n00b, who didn't like rayn. I just didn't get the sense from your filter that you had any good reasons to read rayn so strongly town. If you think I'm wrong, please do link me to the post and I'll consider it.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 23:29 GMT
#1742
On September 09 2015 07:51 CopCake wrote:
He said i was hard to read but now he says I am easily scum :D

...
I said that I thought you were a scum-lean. I didn't say you were "easily scum". And I said you were potential scum because of your read on rayn, not because of your meta or your tone or your style. Other people have based their reads in part on that stuff, but I don't know how reliable it is BECAUSE I think you are hard to read.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 23:34 GMT
#1743
Anyway, bed now.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 09 2015 09:47 GMT
#1744
I won't have much time for today, close to none. I think lynching between GB and rayn will give us one scum, the Doctor is lost either way then. I don't like trading Doctor for one scum member if it's not for RB or GF. So yeah.

That's my logic. So whoever is not fine with a GB lynch will have to heavily explain why. That would be MoosyDoosy who I think is scum anyways. Also, Superbia didn't cast his vote so far although being in the thread and making long posts. While I have a slight scum lean on Fidei and pushed in that direction, I actually re-thought a bit and I feel like Fidei is not the lynch for the next days. I really wanna see GB + MD flip before I lynch someone else.

Thing is I did not look heavily into MoosyDoosy thus far. However since my time to play the game is really limited, I think I'll set "Looking into MD" as a top priority.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 09 2015 13:05 GMT
#1745
Day 2 Votecount


GlowingBear (8): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, Alakaslam, Fidei86, scott31337, Breshke, NocturneMage, Alakaslam, boxerfred, CopCake
CopCake (1): MoosyDoosy
raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear, GlowingBear
MoosyDoosy (0): raynpelikoneet
Fidei86 (0): GlowingBear

Not Voting (2): Superbia

In GlowingBear will be abandoned on the nearest moon with 8 votes. Please do not forget to vote.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494187-nsm-xiv-firefly-voting-thread

Please vote in the voting thread if you want your vote to be counted.
I can take that responsibility.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 09 2015 13:08 GMT
#1746
On September 09 2015 18:47 boxerfred wrote:
I won't have much time for today, close to none. I think lynching between GB and rayn will give us one scum, the Doctor is lost either way then. I don't like trading Doctor for one scum member if it's not for RB or GF. So yeah.

That's my logic. So whoever is not fine with a GB lynch will have to heavily explain why. That would be MoosyDoosy who I think is scum anyways. Also, Superbia didn't cast his vote so far although being in the thread and making long posts. While I have a slight scum lean on Fidei and pushed in that direction, I actually re-thought a bit and I feel like Fidei is not the lynch for the next days. I really wanna see GB + MD flip before I lynch someone else.

Thing is I did not look heavily into MoosyDoosy thus far. However since my time to play the game is really limited, I think I'll set "Looking into MD" as a top priority.

...
"MoosyDoosy is scum but I actually haven't looked at him closely. But I still want to lynch him. By the way I'll be really busy so I'll just say that looking into him is a top priority but I still want to lynch him."

You've been accusing me all game of doing drive-by posts when I've actually been questioning people as one of the most active posters?? You're the one doing drive-by posts here l0l.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 09 2015 14:07 GMT
#1747
On September 09 2015 22:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2015 18:47 boxerfred wrote:
I won't have much time for today, close to none. I think lynching between GB and rayn will give us one scum, the Doctor is lost either way then. I don't like trading Doctor for one scum member if it's not for RB or GF. So yeah.

That's my logic. So whoever is not fine with a GB lynch will have to heavily explain why. That would be MoosyDoosy who I think is scum anyways. Also, Superbia didn't cast his vote so far although being in the thread and making long posts. While I have a slight scum lean on Fidei and pushed in that direction, I actually re-thought a bit and I feel like Fidei is not the lynch for the next days. I really wanna see GB + MD flip before I lynch someone else.

Thing is I did not look heavily into MoosyDoosy thus far. However since my time to play the game is really limited, I think I'll set "Looking into MD" as a top priority.

...
"MoosyDoosy is scum but I actually haven't looked at him closely. But I still want to lynch him. By the way I'll be really busy so I'll just say that looking into him is a top priority but I still want to lynch him."

You've been accusing me all game of doing drive-by posts when I've actually been questioning people as one of the most active posters?? You're the one doing drive-by posts here l0l.

I've not been accusing you, I've been saying my stance towards you rather loudly and I'm clearly saying what I am next up to. I have not voted for you once. You just read that I want to look into you, so if you're town, do you have anything to fear?
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
September 09 2015 14:12 GMT
#1748
Boxerfred doing the same textbook scum game with Moosy
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 09 2015 14:21 GMT
#1749
Moosy, are you still of the view that DESPITE the doc claim / counter-claim, you still think it's MORE likely that cake is mafia than GB or rayn? Or is that not how you view it?

I know we went over this yesterday, but the longer this goes on, the weirder it gets.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 09 2015 15:13 GMT
#1750
On September 09 2015 23:21 Fidei86 wrote:
Moosy, are you still of the view that DESPITE the doc claim / counter-claim, you still think it's MORE likely that cake is mafia than GB or rayn? Or is that not how you view it?

I know we went over this yesterday, but the longer this goes on, the weirder it gets.

-.- i actually think NocturneMage has a good point. Despite how weak CopCake's filter is, it is weird if she's bussing GB that early. I am just waiting for GB's flip which is unfortunately most likely Mafia.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 09 2015 15:45 GMT
#1751
On September 09 2015 05:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2015 05:37 NocturneMage wrote:
hey md, I have a question for you......I took a crazy dive into cake's filter because her gameplay is so scummy - you are okay with a gb lynch, and given claim analysis gb flips mafia, that is the world for now.

what is mafia motivation for cake to make a sick bus on gb for cred? that was theory 2 and I evaluated the areas where she could be bussing, but the points (mafia motivation) don't add up.

I typed out a long post. hold on.

It's not even a "sick bus". Look through her filter. Literally all her posts throughout this game have been weak cases designed to scum read everyone. The only person she's basically been buddying with is rayn as he's the town leader. At this point it's not even a "sick bus." She's just scum reading everyone, posts little, tries to rile up others, and comes off looking townie because people think she's trying to do work in the thread and there's no way to associate with others because she's already scum read them (besides rayn).


On September 09 2015 05:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2015 05:48 NocturneMage wrote:
On September 09 2015 05:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 09 2015 05:37 NocturneMage wrote:
hey md, I have a question for you......I took a crazy dive into cake's filter because her gameplay is so scummy - you are okay with a gb lynch, and given claim analysis gb flips mafia, that is the world for now.

what is mafia motivation for cake to make a sick bus on gb for cred? that was theory 2 and I evaluated the areas where she could be bussing, but the points (mafia motivation) don't add up.

I typed out a long post. hold on.

It's not even a "sick bus". Look through her filter. Literally all her posts throughout this game have been weak cases designed to scum read everyone. The only person she's basically been buddying with is rayn as he's the town leader. At this point it's not even a "sick bus." She's just scum reading everyone, posts little, tries to rile up others, and comes off looking townie because people think she's trying to do work in the thread and there's no way to associate with others because she's already scum read them (besides rayn).


you misunderstood.

I don't mean copcake bussing rayn.
I mean copcake bussing gb. I know where you are getting the sentiment of copcake buddying to rayn but that's not what I'm discussing.

I agree her list post is overall terrible. I agree her overall gameplay has been terrible. however I'm not debating this.

that wasnt' up for debate.

that's why I looked at her even closer because we're in the world where gb flips red because it's generally NOT likely scum bus d1.

but I am asking you to consider the mitigating factors that don't make sense from a mafia perspective.

namely what I bolded in my wall of text.

yes i was talking about copcake busing gb. look at her filter. she literally scum read or null read everyone except for the town leader. how are you supposed to make an association off of that l0l.


On September 09 2015 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2015 06:03 NocturneMage wrote:
that aside md....

if there is no parallel game where copcake has a history of bussing early I have to assume she bussed too early for a normal mafia play. that is unlikely.

the only other way she'd be more likely mafia is poe. like the remaining players bleed town or something.

so this said, can you explain looking at my filter dive, the motivation for copcake drawing attention to a scum partner

(1) prematurely in the cycle
(2) calling him out for claiming too late and not giving time to think
(3) voting a partner over a mislynch that nearly everyone was on board with

this is what doesn't add up

ok so i mistook copcake for someone else. that is my bad.

take the filter dive again. look at who she townreads and who she scumreads and then try to make that argument again.


You said this not once, not twice but three times when I repeated the mitigating factors multiple times.

On September 10 2015 00:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
-.- i actually think NocturneMage has a good point. Despite how weak CopCake's filter is, it is weird if she's bussing GB that early. I am just waiting for GB's flip which is unfortunately most likely Mafia.


What changed? Why is my argument only valid now? I did not add anything to my argument since yesterday.

Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 09 2015 15:48 GMT
#1752
On September 09 2015 18:47 boxerfred wrote:
I won't have much time for today, close to none. I think lynching between GB and rayn will give us one scum, the Doctor is lost either way then. I don't like trading Doctor for one scum member if it's not for RB or GF. So yeah.

That's my logic. So whoever is not fine with a GB lynch will have to heavily explain why. That would be MoosyDoosy who I think is scum anyways. Also, Superbia didn't cast his vote so far although being in the thread and making long posts. While I have a slight scum lean on Fidei and pushed in that direction, I actually re-thought a bit and I feel like Fidei is not the lynch for the next days. I really wanna see GB + MD flip before I lynch someone else.

Thing is I did not look heavily into MoosyDoosy thus far. However since my time to play the game is really limited, I think I'll set "Looking into MD" as a top priority.


So what is your stances on superbia? null or scum? like is there some part of his posts we should be paying attention to?

also offhand I know MD said previously he was fine with a gb lynch despite voting copcake.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 09 2015 16:19 GMT
#1753
On September 10 2015 00:45 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2015 05:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 09 2015 05:37 NocturneMage wrote:
hey md, I have a question for you......I took a crazy dive into cake's filter because her gameplay is so scummy - you are okay with a gb lynch, and given claim analysis gb flips mafia, that is the world for now.

what is mafia motivation for cake to make a sick bus on gb for cred? that was theory 2 and I evaluated the areas where she could be bussing, but the points (mafia motivation) don't add up.

I typed out a long post. hold on.

It's not even a "sick bus". Look through her filter. Literally all her posts throughout this game have been weak cases designed to scum read everyone. The only person she's basically been buddying with is rayn as he's the town leader. At this point it's not even a "sick bus." She's just scum reading everyone, posts little, tries to rile up others, and comes off looking townie because people think she's trying to do work in the thread and there's no way to associate with others because she's already scum read them (besides rayn).


Show nested quote +
On September 09 2015 05:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 09 2015 05:48 NocturneMage wrote:
On September 09 2015 05:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 09 2015 05:37 NocturneMage wrote:
hey md, I have a question for you......I took a crazy dive into cake's filter because her gameplay is so scummy - you are okay with a gb lynch, and given claim analysis gb flips mafia, that is the world for now.

what is mafia motivation for cake to make a sick bus on gb for cred? that was theory 2 and I evaluated the areas where she could be bussing, but the points (mafia motivation) don't add up.

I typed out a long post. hold on.

It's not even a "sick bus". Look through her filter. Literally all her posts throughout this game have been weak cases designed to scum read everyone. The only person she's basically been buddying with is rayn as he's the town leader. At this point it's not even a "sick bus." She's just scum reading everyone, posts little, tries to rile up others, and comes off looking townie because people think she's trying to do work in the thread and there's no way to associate with others because she's already scum read them (besides rayn).


you misunderstood.

I don't mean copcake bussing rayn.
I mean copcake bussing gb. I know where you are getting the sentiment of copcake buddying to rayn but that's not what I'm discussing.

I agree her list post is overall terrible. I agree her overall gameplay has been terrible. however I'm not debating this.

that wasnt' up for debate.

that's why I looked at her even closer because we're in the world where gb flips red because it's generally NOT likely scum bus d1.

but I am asking you to consider the mitigating factors that don't make sense from a mafia perspective.

namely what I bolded in my wall of text.

yes i was talking about copcake busing gb. look at her filter. she literally scum read or null read everyone except for the town leader. how are you supposed to make an association off of that l0l.


Show nested quote +
On September 09 2015 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 09 2015 06:03 NocturneMage wrote:
that aside md....

if there is no parallel game where copcake has a history of bussing early I have to assume she bussed too early for a normal mafia play. that is unlikely.

the only other way she'd be more likely mafia is poe. like the remaining players bleed town or something.

so this said, can you explain looking at my filter dive, the motivation for copcake drawing attention to a scum partner

(1) prematurely in the cycle
(2) calling him out for claiming too late and not giving time to think
(3) voting a partner over a mislynch that nearly everyone was on board with

this is what doesn't add up

ok so i mistook copcake for someone else. that is my bad.

take the filter dive again. look at who she townreads and who she scumreads and then try to make that argument again.


You said this not once, not twice but three times when I repeated the mitigating factors multiple times.

Show nested quote +
On September 10 2015 00:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
-.- i actually think NocturneMage has a good point. Despite how weak CopCake's filter is, it is weird if she's bussing GB that early. I am just waiting for GB's flip which is unfortunately most likely Mafia.


What changed? Why is my argument only valid now? I did not add anything to my argument since yesterday.


Nothing changed. I acknowledge that it's weird that CopCake would have pointed out GB that early although her points against him were very weak in the first place and might as well not be there.

Things that I still dislike about this whole affair is that she hasn't refuted any points that I presented, dodges around questions aimed at her, solely spouts rayn sentiment, and is basically relying on rayn to stay alive at this point in time.

Despite how she may have pointed out GB earlier, that's still just one weak point against a whole host of others. The only reason that she's probably not refuting any points and having thread presence is because doing so might just incriminate her more and she's relying on rayn anyway.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 09 2015 16:21 GMT
#1754
What you're presenting is just unreasonable NocturneMage. Just because of GB flipping Mafia you're going to clear ALL suspicion on a person? Like I guess, if flip WIFOM is your cup of tea.

:/ It's weird to drop all suspicion on a person based on just one observation compared to a whole bunch on the other side of the picture. Especially on something like flip WIFOM.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
September 09 2015 16:48 GMT
#1755
Hiya
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 09 2015 16:48 GMT
#1756
On September 09 2015 23:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Boxerfred doing the same textbook scum game with Moosy

Care to explain?
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
September 09 2015 16:49 GMT
#1757
Ask me

Stuff
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
September 09 2015 16:50 GMT
#1758
On September 10 2015 01:48 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2015 23:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Boxerfred doing the same textbook scum game with Moosy

Care to explain?

Dang bro, you so fast you faster than light

Anyway, you are being wishy washy about Moosy in exactly the same way fidei was wishy washy about CopCake.

Then suddenly cry SCUM! This is actually scummy behavior itself.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 09 2015 17:50 GMT
#1759
I tried. I tried to put reason in the human mind. I traveled back and forth to places so I could bring logic to the human brain, and learn from people from everywhere, and all I get is stupidity and betrayal. You are not ready to understand the hidden mysteries of the universe.
I'm adorable.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 09 2015 17:50 GMT
#1760
On September 10 2015 01:49 Alakaslam wrote:
Ask me

Stuff


How are your feelings with fidei? Do you think he's town? I think he pays a lot of nai and repeats himself a lot and not posting a lot of information.
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