Newbie Student Mafia XIV: Firefly - Page 8

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

September 12 2015 20:16 GMT

#2475

On September 13 2015 04:53 scott31337 wrote:
Breshke what are you thoughts on boxerfred?
I'd rather him gone then Fidei.

same, saying this before review.
not going to filter dive until I get home.

can someone post the leading arguments for wanting to lynch fidei? tinfoil? being illogical? his reads? tmi?

the only valid argument I see is his voting d1.

if he's mafia, he's playing well otherwise.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

September 12 2015 20:19 GMT

#2480

ninjaed by superbia.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

September 12 2015 20:24 GMT

#2487

what is scaring me about copcake as tinfoil as it sounds is that everyone (save moosy) is giving her a pass for either the voice tells or meta or whatever argument they are using.

I am trying to see past the language barrier I really am.

I am trying to see how she is driving discussion in the thread. I am looking for her to meet her own standard of tells.

here's a question - why are people going on solely fidei for saying nothing came of the superbia/breshke discussion WHEN COPCAKE SAID THE SAME THING IN RESPONSE.

here's another question - why is/was copcake so adamant to keep on lynching moosy doosy? a bit has happened with him, why is he top lynch for you? (am aware about the scott scumread)

I know she said it, if I weren't on mobile I'd quote it.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

September 12 2015 20:25 GMT

#2489

On September 13 2015 05:20 Fidei86 wrote:
Crossed posts, sorry.

Being wrong on Breshke doesn't make me mafia. I'm mafia if you think my reasons were bad. By your logic then I should be *sure* that you're mafia, because you're scum reading me and I'm town.

I also wasn't the only one who complained about your fight - NM or BF came back in and said that they agreed, it wasn't productive. Are you scum reading them too?

I don't see why you're making such a big deal of me calling you a good player - I played voice with you and I thought you were good. And having a scum read on you is obviously not inconsistent with you being a good player. And I said I was re-evaluating.

Right now it feels to me like you're just searching around for the correct mislynch wagon to get on.

it was boxerfred, and copcake said the same thing, the latter concluded superbia and breshke were both mafia.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

September 12 2015 20:28 GMT

#2495

On September 13 2015 05:26 Breshke wrote:
Nocturne what is your opinion on mine and superbias "shitfight" (wasn't a shitfight") now you know I'm doctor

on the fight? town on town then. weird but your explanations make sense once I read them. to me superbia was making sense the whole time.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

September 12 2015 20:29 GMT

#2497

On September 13 2015 05:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:

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...Fidei said both superbia/breshke were Mafia. CopCake said Superbia was town. But if Superbia is town and Breshke is Doctor where does that leave us??

someone's playing us hard. really need to look into fidei/scott.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

September 12 2015 20:31 GMT

#2500

breshke, no, I unvoted you, did not revote.

still a ways from home here.

I just queried superbia on the doctor read on slam actually.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

September 12 2015 20:32 GMT

#2501

On September 13 2015 05:12 NocturneMage wrote:
on my way home from work.

unvoted Breshke.

going to look through scott and then fidei and then the two nulls.

superbia I don't understand the Slam TMI argument.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

September 12 2015 20:58 GMT

#2527

I am finally home and sorted. Diving scott right now.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

September 12 2015 21:33 GMT

#2538

I want to talk about scott's very early game when he started scumreading GB.

Does this look like an organic or contrived read to you? The biggest issue I have with this is the "GB thing and defending" line.

The stuff after this line (vote on slam, post on 631) makes sense but not this first initial read on gb.

Scott posting on GB

post 279 - I tried to read around this.

On September 05 2015 09:15 scott31337 wrote:
GB smoking/drinking again - and follow his opposite

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623 - soft push on gb (this is 17 hours later)

On September 06 2015 02:53 scott31337 wrote:
I'm only at page 19 - We have a vote thread I see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494187-nsm-xiv-firefly-voting-thread#12

##Vote N00bking

GB probably mafia too for his - GB thing and defending

Breshke trying almost too hard - I have not seen him pour so much into a game - maybe he got laid off - but I have to call him town for now, but tinfoil scary the work he is putting in

I read between 279 and 623 on GB's filter

I am not sure what Scott means by GB thing and defending.

Scott what did you mean here?

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Then post 631 - this post looks towny but is the first interaction TMI?

GB smoking/drinking is NAI. That sentence doesn't really say anything in post 279.

The one liner in 623 has me scratching my head in a did he or didn't he softpush/bus situation, but 623 shows him doing the work to push gb again for voting slam. He crosschecked GB.

Post 638 (Scott calling GB's read on him mafia) is NAI for Scott.

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On September 06 2015 03:53 scott31337 wrote:

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I was posting my townie thoughts along the way and adding my thoughts and quotes up in notepad.

Do you have any specific questions for me?

Is n00bking toast and you are bussing him now?

What about boxerfred, who's only made one post, why do you mention nothing of him?

On September 06 2015 04:02 GlowingBear wrote:

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I have no questions for you since you read progression is clear to me. So there it is. Now is the time you say this is a scum tell of mine.
I make nothing out of boxer's post, neither Fidei's. These are guys who have just made one post.

The bolded COULD come from a scum Scott (posts 646/649)

So far, I'm leaning townish but that VERY first interaction has me scratching my head. Scott if you can answer that that would help.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

September 12 2015 21:37 GMT

#2540

Voting boxerfred for now.

I'm honestly very stuck on Scott from this first part. Going to try and break through both of their filters and see if something comes through that I didn't see.

I assume people are voting superbia for the superbia/breshke conversation or for the superbia read on slam?

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

September 12 2015 21:38 GMT

#2541

superbia if you have any comment on the Scott TMI possibility it would be grand. since you were the one to have brought it up initially if I recall right.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

September 12 2015 21:45 GMT

#2546

honestly I think superbia is town, how does the slam thing make him mafia? I'm so lost now.

lynch copcake/boxerfred.....still looking into scott. that's where I am now.

if superbia flips green, fidei is looking significantly worse. he said he will look into superbia. 45m until deadline.

it looks like fidei is looking to lynch him based on omgus.

not sure I will have enough time to get back to looking into fidei - I'd rather not yolo vote anyone not without looking into them.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

September 12 2015 21:46 GMT

#2550

What? Fidei, really? are you not reading the thread?

Superbia had a VERY clear progression on Breshke. I outlined that last night. Might have been whilst you were out.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

September 12 2015 21:55 GMT

#2555

On September 13 2015 06:45 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay, so I'm sticking on Superbia, and I think you all should too. Here are my reasons:

1. His EOD1 is EXTREMELY suspicious.

He doesn't really scum read n00b until after everyone else votes onto him. He says at #1093 that he thinks n00b is posting "[not] like his mafia meta on this site", but then literally in his next post starts scum reading him. Interestingly, he is only convinced on n00b very late, but he then becomes VERY convinced. He also refuses to switch off GB, despite his top town reads (Rayn and Yamato) moving onto GB. He also scum reads n00b for being absent at EOD, when GB was *also* absent.

2. Throughout D1 he continually asks questions of everyone. He asks everyone for their reads on everyone. But he actually doesn't give any reads of his own really. He says THREE DIFFERENT TIMES that his read on GB is some variant of "IDK".

3. He asks for the doctor and the cop to both claim, well in advance of when they should.

4. He moves onto Breshke after I list him as scum, seemingly out of nowhere.

For #1 I am reading around the post you cite.

n00bking says he'd vote superbia to save himself, superbia says he can die, that was presumably in response to what n00b said. How is that a problem?

Also on Superbia refusing to switch off GB, we have this: (1103/1106)

On September 07 2015 06:22 Superbia wrote:

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Oh I don't give a shit son. I can be wrong on day 1.

On September 07 2015 06:23 Superbia wrote:
That also looks like you're setting up a TMI-induced associative lynch.

Do you think mafia would openly admit the bolded?