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I think that BF isn't really paying attention the game, honestly. I think he's pushed for time so he skims things. Whatever. He could be mafia, and he would have a good policy lynch d1 after the GB claim, if we'd had enough time to think about it. I don't have any particular reasons to read him as town.
No I've never played with Slam before.
But hang on a sec, you think that I'm an "unknown" and that I'm pocketing you by calling you a good player (IDK, I was impressed by you on voice, but then I always think voice players are good, other than LightningStrike :-) ). But then you say that you think we should lynch my #1 scum read, who is also someone nobody else really seems to have been on at all?
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On September 12 2015 01:03 Breshke wrote: Who is the doctor? Would you not think this information is good for town since mafia probably RB them last night since there is no reason for them not to save rayn
Give a reason why you think so aswell No no no no.
1. We don't know for sure what the set up is. You have tmi. 2. The doctor cannot save someone two nights in a row. If there is a doctor, they probably saved Rayn n1 BECAUSE RAYN WAS BEGGING THE MEDIC TO SAVE HIM.
There is no need for blue claims today. It's still 7-2. If we ML today and it's not a blue, and the Mafia don't kill a blue overnight, both blues should THEN claim imo, because we're at Lylo-1 and if they don't claim then there isn't enough time to lynch the competing claims (if any). But claiming today is dumb, since the Mafia RBer is blind and so there is an okay chance of whatever power roles we do have achieving something useful.
Pretty sure Bresh is Mafia now. Still think he could well be with Superbia - they are both now more active than they've been all game, and it's on the back of me linking them in my big post. They might well be fighting to try and distance themselves from each other. This sort of spam arguing is super unhelpful to town because it clutters the thread and gets tiresome.
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I'm also thinking that Tina has included a jester in the set up, because that's the only explanation for Moosy's behaviour.
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On September 12 2015 01:16 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 01:04 Superbia wrote: Slam, I don't think breshke and moosy are together. I think at least 1 mafia is currently lurk. Your thoughts? I have also moved on from scum reading Moosy. Moosy may be right on Boxerfred, frankly. If I was right about Breshke too, imma throw bricks Slam what's your read on Breshke/Superbia right now?
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On September 12 2015 01:17 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 01:16 Fidei86 wrote: I'm also thinking that Tina has included a jester in the set up, because that's the only explanation for Moosy's behaviour. Har har. Iow you think he is town but playing scummy. Then help him instead of this Ugh. You're right. Still at work phone posting, but I'll look over MD's filter this evening. I didn't look at it during my filter dives yesterday. But why does MD keep pushing CopCake? It's fairly clear by now that nobody but him and NM want that lynch. If he's not going to start playing the game properly, he's beyond my help.
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On September 12 2015 01:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: Fidei follow up on your list of promised reads. Like you haven't given them yet lol. I posted them just before the N2 flip.
Tl;Dr it's Bresh and Superbia.
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On September 12 2015 01:21 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 01:20 Fidei86 wrote:On September 12 2015 01:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: Fidei follow up on your list of promised reads. Like you haven't given them yet lol. I posted them just before the N2 flip. Tl;Dr it's Bresh and Superbia. You're obviously wrong. Why are you wrong?
*deep breath*
Okay, then please explain to me the towny motivation for taking up the last four pages of thread time with a totally pointless fight with Bresh about who the doctor is, and an even more pointless fight with Moosy, who really needs to take a knee for five minutes and collect his thoughts.
I don't see how it is in any way obvious that I am wrong. And I don't need to convince you that you're Mafia, I need to convince everyone else.
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On September 12 2015 01:24 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 01:19 Fidei86 wrote:On September 12 2015 01:17 Alakaslam wrote:On September 12 2015 01:16 Fidei86 wrote: I'm also thinking that Tina has included a jester in the set up, because that's the only explanation for Moosy's behaviour. Har har. Iow you think he is town but playing scummy. Then help him instead of this Ugh. You're right. Still at work phone posting, but I'll look over MD's filter this evening. I didn't look at it during my filter dives yesterday. But why does MD keep pushing CopCake? It's fairly clear by now that nobody but him and NM want that lynch. If he's not going to start playing the game properly, he's beyond my help. FWIW, if that is what he believes he IS playing properly. Touché.
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On September 12 2015 01:27 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 01:26 Fidei86 wrote:On September 12 2015 01:21 Superbia wrote:On September 12 2015 01:20 Fidei86 wrote:On September 12 2015 01:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: Fidei follow up on your list of promised reads. Like you haven't given them yet lol. I posted them just before the N2 flip. Tl;Dr it's Bresh and Superbia. You're obviously wrong. Why are you wrong? *deep breath* Okay, then please explain to me the towny motivation for taking up the last four pages of thread time with a totally pointless fight with Bresh about who the doctor is, and an even more pointless fight with Moosy, who really needs to take a knee for five minutes and collect his thoughts. I don't see how it is in any way obvious that I am wrong. And I don't need to convince you that you're Mafia, I need to convince everyone else. Are you serious? How was it pointless? Do you still think breshke and me are together after that? Or Breshke and MD? Or me and MD? Yes, I still think it's you and Bresh. As I said, it's perfectly possible for Mafia to coordinate this sort of thing, and it makes sense as I have linked you together. If you'd done this d1 or d2, you'd have a point. Now, you don't.
And honestly, the fact that the only thing you can think of to justify the fight is that it distances you from Bresh/Moosy just fortifies me in that belief.
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As far as I can see, Superbia has reached the conclusion that he isn't mafia with Bresh or MD, and Bresh has realised he has made a giant mistake. If that is honestly the grand sum of what that fight achieved, then yes, it was a waste of thread space.
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I am constantly re-evaluating. But I don't see how you can reach any conclusions on associative stuff from this. Mafia are likely tilting at this point because town still have both power roles and we have a bunch of people who are very likely town following the GB switch. Of course Mafia could set up a fight in the thread. I find it weird that you don't think that's a possibility.
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Because neither of you have really said anything for a fair while now. You were both very quiet all of d2/n2. Then suddenly, you both thread re-enter at exactly the same time and start scum reading each other (or at least, criticising each other) when neither of you have really said much about each other before.
And to top it all off, the topic you chose (is there a doctor, who are the PRs) just isn't helpful to town, at all. And at the end of it all you don't seem to have taken anything out of it. And, at the end of it, you both instantly turn your guns on me and seemingly forget what just went on before between you. That's my read on this situation. There's obviously a ton more work to do in this game, but, yeah.
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On September 12 2015 02:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: Fidei, that argument was worth it. If you can't at least get 3 reads out of it then you're speculating too much and not actually critically analyzing stuff. Which honestly seems like what you're doing anyway. I'm not going to argue with you, Moosy. I've given my reads and thoughts on the game, and the argument, and I'll keep giving them as and when necessary. I've nothing else to say to you at the moment. I think I've already made my thoughts on your play perfectly clear.
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I'm back. I got really drunk last night and today has basically been a right-off. But I'm now about until EOD. Breshke's claim is believable, and if there was a CC then it should probably have been made already, so let's move off him. I'm going to Superbia for now, but I'm going to do a re-read and reconsider.
##Unvote ##Vote: Superbia
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@Bresh out of interest, how come you could save people twice in a row? The rules on that look pretty clear...
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Why did the mafia not roleblock rayn as the *confirmed* doctor? That makes so little sense to me. They would have had to believe that rayn was not actually the doctor ... ? And then they correctly guessed that Breshke was the doctor?
???
This game.
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On September 13 2015 05:10 Superbia wrote: Oh man. Can we just kill fidei and hope he flips mafia so it confirms me as town? Superbia can you please talk me through your scum read on me (if you have one? It seems like you just want to lynch me for associative purposes, which is super dumb).
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Crossed posts, sorry.
Being wrong on Breshke doesn't make me mafia. I'm mafia if you think my reasons were bad. By your logic then I should be *sure* that you're mafia, because you're scum reading me and I'm town.
I also wasn't the only one who complained about your fight - NM or BF came back in and said that they agreed, it wasn't productive. Are you scum reading them too?
I don't see why you're making such a big deal of me calling you a good player - I played voice with you and I thought you were good. And having a scum read on you is obviously not inconsistent with you being a good player. And I said I was re-evaluating.
Right now it feels to me like you're just searching around for the correct mislynch wagon to get on.
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@Superbia I had already said that I wanted to look into you again, because of your filter. I had this weird idea in my head that you were a newer player (just because I haven't come across you before), so when I found out that you weren't I thought everyone should know, because I assumed that everyone else was thinking the same thing about you.
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Okay, so I'm sticking on Superbia, and I think you all should too. Here are my reasons:
1. His EOD1 is EXTREMELY suspicious.
He doesn't really scum read n00b until after everyone else votes onto him. He says at #1093 that he thinks n00b is posting "[not] like his mafia meta on this site", but then literally in his next post starts scum reading him. Interestingly, he is only convinced on n00b very late, but he then becomes VERY convinced. He also refuses to switch off GB, despite his top town reads (Rayn and Yamato) moving onto GB. He also scum reads n00b for being absent at EOD, when GB was *also* absent.
2. Throughout D1 he continually asks questions of everyone. He asks everyone for their reads on everyone. But he actually doesn't give any reads of his own really. He says THREE DIFFERENT TIMES that his read on GB is some variant of "IDK".
3. He asks for the doctor and the cop to both claim, well in advance of when they should.
4. He moves onto Breshke after I list him as scum, seemingly out of nowhere.
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