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No host WIFOM plox. | ||
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On September 03 2015 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow so long until game start.  goodluck frands. It's only a day or so, rayn. You'll survive. | ||
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On September 04 2015 02:21 yamato77 wrote: Don't worry, I have been assured by tina that the game will be RNG'd, despite my perfectly reasonable suggestions about who should get what roles. Did you assign yourself veteran cop PGO? | ||
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On September 04 2015 03:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: I like this line up. Especially the first two sign ups. By the way, I will try and stick true to my Day 1 meta folks so get ready for a roller coaster ride. It doesn't work if you tell people you're going to do it. | ||
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In terms of my experience, I have played a fair bit of voice mafia with rayn, but I don't think we've ever been in a forum game together. I've played with scott before, but he AFKd through most of our most recent game. I was town with GB back in Himalayas, but he was killed before I really started contributing in a meaningful way. I was town with Moosy and n00b in newbie mafia XII, although that game ended kinda abruptly (and all of us were basically confirmed town d1). The rest of the players I wouldn't say I know much about. I like to get this sort of thing out at the start as it will hopefully give you more of a sense of where my reads come from. I'm going to read back over some filters, and give some thoughts. My initial read through made me most sceptical of Moosy and n00b, especially as their play seemed very different to last time I played with them. One thing I do want to say now is that this is supposed to be a Newbie Game, and you guys have managed to fill 40 pages in a day and a bit. This is just a quick plea to make sure you think before you post - active town is great, but over-active town means that people can just sort of hide in the noise. | ||
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I hate n00b's style of posting, because there's really no reason to be so rude. I get it, you think that you're better than us all. That's fine, you might well be. But you can't honestly be surprised to find people don't like arrogant, superior people. And you're doing both in spades. If you're town, you're just digging your own grave at the moment. The post I most disliked from n00bking was #801. I think it's worth me quoting it in full: On September 06 2015 07:47 n00bKing wrote: The importance of the distinction between calling rayn's points bullshit and making a case for why he should be lynched cannot be overstated. You're right, "all that matters" is that rayn's points were being called bullshit (and they were bullshit). rayn mislabeled it as being something else, so I corrected him. Just as I corrected him when he tried to pretend I had said at some point that he is Scum. I'm sitting here reading this post, and I just keep asking myself "why does a town n00b make this post?". The only reason to call people's posts bad, without following with a read on the poster, is if you're trying to stop momentum on a wagon you think is wrong. Otherwise, you're just soft-scumming the poster. I would say probably half of n00b's filter up to now is his fight with rayn. And through all of that, he hasn't actually formed a read on him yet? How does that even make sense? If n00b is town, I don't get why he essentially causes the entirety of d1 to be about his fight with rayn, someone he doesn't even seem to have a scum read on ??? n00b is a scum-read for now. That said, there are a ton of other interesting things about this fight that are worth pondering. Yamato's thread is one I think is worth parsing a little more. He again seems to have been swept up in the fight, and is taking lots of swings at n00b. I've spent a fair amount of time talking to Yamato on TS, and I would say off the bat that his posts sound like him. But at the same time, he's a strong player and his absolute focus on n00b this early seems a little off. I'm also not sure that his post #598 makes a ton of sense. Rayn's read on Yamato is flimsy, at best. Even rayn would surely have to admit that trying to discern someone's alignment from how excited they are in their first post is pretty difficult. For two people who only know each other over the internet, it would be basically impossible. So why is yamato so keen to emphasise that he and rayn are hard town-reading each other? I think I will read Moosy and GB's filters, then head to bed. Any questions, fire away in the meantime. | ||
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On September 06 2015 08:47 n00bKing wrote: Nah, it's only a little scummy. But it's interesting that he's doing some of the same things that one of the Scum players did IN the game he's talking about (Newbie XII) that I used as reasons to lynch that exact Mafia member. Meanwhile, agree that NocturneMage comes off as Town, for the moment. ? Care to elaborate? | ||
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On September 06 2015 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: james' last post was super towny. First of all <3 that you're calling me James. Second of all can you give a more detailed response? If you just say you like it or you don't, it's difficult to figure out whether you agree with it, or you're just trying to pocket me. | ||
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On September 06 2015 05:12 MoosyDoosy wrote: -.- i detailed a post where i lumped people into categories but here you go: town: raynpelikoneet, yamato77 town lean: Superbia, Alakaslam null: Breshke, boxerfred, GlowingBear, scott31337, Fidei86 people to look into: nocturnemage/coughinghydra, copcake ???: n00bKing Okay, so this post. WTF. I started off by running through all the reads one by one, but the thing that really sticks out here is that MD's previous five pages of filter are basically just a defence of n00b. MD goes as far as to say that he has the best read on n00b of everyone in the game, and that he is basically SURE that this is n00b's town meta. But now that there's a wagon picking up on n00b, he's trying to walk that back? Huh? MD you really need to explain this read for me, because at the moment it really stinks. | ||
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On September 06 2015 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: nvm here: And nothing has made me think otherwise after i made the post. Meh. I didn't think I'd missed anything further you had on him. I dunno, that just seems like a pretty bad reason to town read someone. What people say BEFORE a game has no impact at all on their alignment, and trying to match their play with their talk before hand is a fools errand in my opinion. All of the above comes with the reasonable proviso that my read on Yamato is a bit all over the place at the moment. He's either mafia-tryharding, or he's super obvious town and I'm being overly suspicious... | ||
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On September 06 2015 09:03 Fidei86 wrote: Okay, so this post. WTF. I started off by running through all the reads one by one, but the thing that really sticks out here is that MD's previous five pages of filter are basically just a defence of n00b. MD goes as far as to say that he has the best read on n00b of everyone in the game, and that he is basically SURE that this is n00b's town meta. But now that there's a wagon picking up on n00b, he's trying to walk that back? Huh? MD you really need to explain this read for me, because at the moment it really stinks. So I went back and re-read MD's filter to put this post in context. In summary, MD's read evolution on n00b is: 1. "I know him best, this is obviously his town meta" 2. ??? 3. "Everyone else has him as scum, so I don't know" 4. "Okay so he's actually town" This doesn't seem like a logical evolution to me - especially not for someone who claims to have better insight to n00b than everyone else. I would say that it was scum setting themselves up for a mislynch, except that it's so blatant that it's sort of difficult to believe that a scum MD is that stupid... | ||
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