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yamato77
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raynpelikoneet
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NocturneMage, Slam, Fidei. meh i don't fucking know, maybe i am wrong on one of those and Moosy is actualyl scum. There is a chance GlowingBear is scum, but it will sort out itself anyways so i don't really care. I don't really feel like writing a lot of stuff now. NM: totally isn't reading the thread properly. There are things like: Pretty sure n00b was interacting/pushing rayn at least the first half of the cycle. noobking himself said he wasn't pushing me. he is either not reading, or for some reason doesn't care. Furthermore he scumreads both noobking and Cake. Apparently noobkign was just being terrible all game but there was ZERO chance both of noobking and Cake are mafia, so scumreading both of htem makes absolutely no sense. Like his reads are not logical, and they do not make any sense at all. He isn't listening to what other people say at all. He is just calling some people scum for no reason. Fidei feels like he is not even in the game. Like he is just here and not doing anything at all. idk... i can't explain it better, he jsut isn't doing anything. And the vote switch from GB to boxer was super terrible, there is no way ANYONE should do that if they want to save someone. There was no chance boxerfred is gonna get lynched either way. Slam is scum. I don't care yamato, sorry. He is just scum because he isn't listening to me and he is not answering me. He dodges fucking questions and i don't like it. Kill with fire. If i am wrong on something then it's probably Moosy who is the last mafia. The noobking/cake read he had is like super bad and feels like he just wants two townies lynched. If you are do not lynch Cake on D2. She is not mafia and you should not trust people who want to lynch her. Mafia is gonna try that 100%. I promise. Glowingbear if you are town get your head out of your fucking ass and eat roleblocks for the rest of the game. Also if you do not doc me you are terrible as fuck. I don't care what you think. You have been super bad in this game and now is time to start playing properly if you are not mafia. yamato you can do this. I believe in you and Cake. Work together please and solve this shit. boxerfred and scott are not scum either. When they posted they talked about relevant things and had logical conclusions on stuff. If you compare this to for example James there is a huge fucking difference in how they approach the game. It should be really easy to see. Those are also lynches mafia is going to push (boxer/scott), they are easy to lynch because they do not generally post much. Townies do not fall into the trap. Superbia is not mafia either, ESPECIALLY if GB is town. It doesn't make any sense for him to push the lynch against GB if that was the case. If GB is mafia, i'd put Superbia into null-category. That could make sense. Although atm i do not believe GB to be mafia so only if he is scum and you guys catch him somehow, then re-evaluate Superbia. Mafia is basically in NM, James, Slam, Moosy(?) and GB(?). The last one will sort itself out, so do not worry about him. He'll claim roleblocked anyways. Do not claim in case GB is scum and you are blue, until someone who is town (basically not from the list above) is gonna get lynched. I would probably lynch Slam on D2. His posts have zero substance, and they don't even make any sense from slam!logic!pov. Again, he fails to answer questions that are super clear. Do not let him get away with it. I am sorry i did that on D1. goodluck | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 07 2015 18:56 boxerfred wrote: It's strange with fidei. I mean, I went through his filter and what struck out to me is that while his reads make sense and do progress and stay conclusive and on point, his votes don't. Fidei talks a lot about n00bKing and a bit less about MoosyDoosy day 1. He clearly got his focus on these two players so he should be happy with the n00bKing wagon once it went off. However as soon as I entered the thread, fidei thought it would be a great thing to vote for me, based off literally one post I made which basically said "Hey guys, I'm here, I'm not inactive". I get that someone would vote me as long as I'm not there (policy) but why would you vote for an afk lurker as soon as he returns? This is like the first thing I don't understand about fidei. Next up, in the middle of EoD drama, he jumps off the GB wagon, sets his vote on someone completely irrelevant, then gets back on the next wagon which is kinda safe to vote with. I understand that he's not voting GB. I understand that he jumps in n00bKings face. I don't understand why he voted how he voted. I'm trying to figure out if that is scum indicative or paranoid town indicative. Diving into the filter a second time, there's this: Well, there was 0 follow up on this. Zero. What is the point of these questions then? Also, this: + Show Spoiler [full post] + On September 06 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote: It seems to me like the most important event today so far is the shit-fight between rayn and n00b. Rayn looks pretty obviously town to me. This is exactly the same as his town meta in voice-mafia, he tries to lead the discussion right from the front, ask questions, point things out and generally just be loud. I do think that a couple of his pushes have been a little questionable - the whole Breshke "yamato/rayn magic" thing was blown waaaaay out of proportion, and I think people were right to point this out. But, yeah, that's what I would have expected from town rayn. I hate n00b's style of posting, because there's really no reason to be so rude. I get it, you think that you're better than us all. That's fine, you might well be. But you can't honestly be surprised to find people don't like arrogant, superior people. And you're doing both in spades. If you're town, you're just digging your own grave at the moment. The post I most disliked from n00bking was #801. I think it's worth me quoting it in full: I'm sitting here reading this post, and I just keep asking myself "why does a town n00b make this post?". The only reason to call people's posts bad, without following with a read on the poster, is if you're trying to stop momentum on a wagon you think is wrong. Otherwise, you're just soft-scumming the poster. I would say probably half of n00b's filter up to now is his fight with rayn. And through all of that, he hasn't actually formed a read on him yet? How does that even make sense? If n00b is town, I don't get why he essentially causes the entirety of d1 to be about his fight with rayn, someone he doesn't even seem to have a scum read on ??? n00b is a scum-read for now. That said, there are a ton of other interesting things about this fight that are worth pondering. Yamato's thread is one I think is worth parsing a little more. He again seems to have been swept up in the fight, and is taking lots of swings at n00b. I've spent a fair amount of time talking to Yamato on TS, and I would say off the bat that his posts sound like him. But at the same time, he's a strong player and his absolute focus on n00b this early seems a little off. I'm also not sure that his post #598 makes a ton of sense. Rayn's read on Yamato is flimsy, at best. Even rayn would surely have to admit that trying to discern someone's alignment from how excited they are in their first post is pretty difficult. For two people who only know each other over the internet, it would be basically impossible. So why is yamato so keen to emphasise that he and rayn are hard town-reading each other? I think I will read Moosy and GB's filters, then head to bed. Any questions, fire away in the meantime. He's contradicting himself there: Concluding, there are some major flaws in Fidei's gameplay. 1. He does not push his votes. 2. He votes for people that he townread "basically all day" 3. He heavily contradicts himself in terms of his scum/townreads which is quite strange since, well, in the end he voted his town read. So I strongly suggest to look into Fidei in the context of the first 40 pages or so (which I still didn't manage to read up completely ffs). This is a really good post. I think you should seriously consider lynching James on D2. | ||
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Fidei86
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 08 2015 07:17 Fidei86 wrote: Rayn did you read my post where I pointed out that what BF said wasn't completely true? There are probably good reasons to scum-read me, but my read evolution on n00b and my vote switches at EOD are not good reasons, IMO. If you are town no, there arem't. so you are probably mafia. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
On September 08 2015 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are town no, there arem't. so you are probably mafia. ? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Which is just a straight out lie. | ||
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Fidei86
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raynpelikoneet
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Then you just "forget" you have scumread him later on? | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
I'm going to read back over some filters, and give some thoughts. My initial read through made me most sceptical of Moosy and n00b, especially as their play seemed very different to last time I played with them. I'm sitting here reading this post, and I just keep asking myself "why does a town n00b make this post?". The only reason to call people's posts bad, without following with a read on the poster, is if you're trying to stop momentum on a wagon you think is wrong. Otherwise, you're just soft-scumming the poster. I would say probably half of n00b's filter up to now is his fight with rayn. And through all of that, he hasn't actually formed a read on him yet? How does that even make sense? If n00b is town, I don't get why he essentially causes the entirety of d1 to be about his fight with rayn, someone he doesn't even seem to have a scum read on ??? n00b is a scum-read for now. GB I have thought about this overnight and I don't know if it makes sense for scum n00b to post in the way that he has. Like, the points he makes are *okay* and a lot of them against Rayn I actually made myself. People seem to be scumming him more for his tone, and I agree he has been very obnoxious. But isn't that more likely to come from town than Mafia? Why does Mafia come in and generally make as many enemies as possible? I'm also acutely aware that it's a newbie town error just to lynch the most outspoken player d1. So BF, hearing his name get mentioned as a possible policy lynch, enters the thread and basically gets on board with the n00b and the Cake wagons, then calls Rayn town for meta reasons. His reasoning against n00b is not convincing. Whatever else you think of n00b (and I've said plenty), he hasn't shied away from dealing with specific issues. I've already said at length that I think there are issues with n00b's play, but I just think his overall play style makes more sense from a town perspective. @n00bking What the hell are you talking about? Information on a BF lynch? The dude has made like two posts, and the only people who have said anything are Scott and Cake. This is just such a bad argument, I don't even know where to begin. I was pretty sure you're town, but you keep digging yourself deeper and it's getting harder and harder to keep town reading you. Ugh. Rayn, I'm concerned you're too tunnelled on n00b. I don't want to have to choose between voting Cake and n00b. I'm going to park my vote on BF for now. I think he's a much better option than either of the two leading wagons. I guess I could also move onto scott - I don't have much of a read on him and his level of contribution has been pretty weak. Right, okay. So, I have pretty serious reservations about this lynch, but I think it's probably a better lynch than n00b or Cake, and those seem to be my other options. ##Vote: GlowingBear I'll be here towards EOD. yeah, you guys were right, no way I build a wagon on MD now. So I have to move to NK. Ugh. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 08 2015 07:27 Fidei86 wrote: Okay here is my read evolution on n00b: I do not care. I care about the fact that you DID scumread him at one point. You made a big fucking post about it. Later on you say you have townread him "all day long". That is a lie. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
I'll admit to not having any good reads d1, and to flailing around a bit wildly. Those are probably good reasons to scum read me. But I wish you'd stop misrepresenting my read evolution on n00b!! | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
I think rayn after his last post is still likely town. But I don't feel comfortable riding or dying with him at the moment. Which means that if I die during the night I want everyone to re-evaluate him. Especially if GB turns out to be town (you will know tomorrow). Like both rayn/yamato have led the two major wagons, and if they both were on town, re-evaluation is a necessity. That being said. I like rayn's last post. Slam is probably my most likely mafia at this point in time. His push on me makes little sense to be honest. Everything he has said about me is at best NAI. That being said, his focus on me (town) has also led to nowhere. He is fine soft pushing me for (imo) shitty reasons. (this is part of the reason why I still kind of like rayn as town, even after a somewhat disastrous d1). I'll give more tomorrow if I'm alive (likely). | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
As for me not listening to you, I've already explained why and I've explained my reasons. I won't speak for the other scumreads you have, but especially given n00b's lynch (and your remarks to that lynch, something along the lines of I can't believe he played that way) has it ever occurred to you that sometimes townies (especially in a newbie game!!!) do play suboptimally? Just because something doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean that person is necessarily mafia. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Day 2 ![[image loading]](http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/aliens/images/d/d9/Reaver_s_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110512192428) Crewman yamato77 the Town Vanilla has been torn apart by reavers in the cargo bay! "If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins into their clothing. And, if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order." ―Zoë Alleyne Washburne There were only suspicions of a most unsavory stowaway (stowaways?) on the Serenity prior to last night. Some missing items and a few other odds and ends out of place, the odd sound that everyone just attributed to a crewmember looking for some privacy. Unfortunately, one such crewmember did in fact find that privacy...and a not-so-welcome visitor in the process. Just...don't look. Yes, boys. Here there be reavers. Game on. Day 2 has begun! This phase ends in . Voting is mandatory, and done in the voting thread (here). | ||
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Fidei86
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Superbia
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