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Also, for the avoidance of doubt, people should definitely NOT CLAIM before d2, whatever happens, and regardless of my argument above. Just in case anyone was super convinced by my reasoning.
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So fidel do you not think the inconsistency I pointed out is a big deal or?
This is an honest question (for some reason it feels like that came off as agressive) because i feel like it is fairly damming but no one else is really talking about it.
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On September 07 2015 22:06 Breshke wrote:
So fidel do you not think the inconsistency I pointed out is a big deal or?
This is an honest question (for some reason it feels like that came off as agressive) because i feel like it is fairly damming but no one else is really talking about it.
Um, I don't think I really follow your point. Could you talk me through it?
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On September 07 2015 12:09 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:
JESUS I SAID I WAS VIGI BECAUSE MAFIA KNOW THE ROLES SO I WOULDNT BE SHOT AR NIHJT Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:On September 07 2015 07:20 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:
JESUS I SAID I WAS VIGI BECAUSE MAFIA KNOW THE ROLES SO I WOULDNT BE SHOT AR NIHJT If you claim Vigilante in a ruleset where you're the Doctor, the Cop would know you are lying. So he just checks me at night if he is smart. Then he gets a green check on me and I keep alive. That's why I didn't want to talk about my claim. Contradicts with the bolded in this Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:32 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:the third paragraph is jsut outright bullshit for anyone who knows yamato's/Slam's play. fourth is well... how i play as town. + the fact i was not creating a poor atmosphere, in fact you GB were. And i was fucking prodictive, i have been all game long. Over anyone else. fifth is kinda hilarious because he uses "you saying i am 98% scum is useless and stupid crap" as a reason to scumread me when my answer is literally an answer to his stupid question. Stupid questions get stupid answers. sixth is just fucking rofl. Like me saying i am town makes me mafia. Okay right. seventh..... ugh i don't even care anymore, i have been pushing an agenda he thinks is townie all game long, and now i am scum for it. this guy is hilarious.  Meh, I don't know. I'm not sure about you. I really dislike your pushes on me and Breshke because I think they were out of place. You should know what I was trying to do. Well, Breshke does. No use talking about it.I think the biggest problem is your read on yamato. It's off. It's still too early to call him town + I didn't like his opening, felt forced.
Okay so the top two quotes GB claims that his vigi claim at the beginning of the game was done so that mafia would think he was not a power role.
The bottom one he says "breshke knows why i claimed vigi". What he means by that is that he has talked to me about how he likes to make a weird post at the start of the game to get conversation going.
So he has contradicted himself and claimed that his opening play was for two different reasons.
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Thanks.
Yes it is an inconsistency, although you are assuming that GB had the same thing in mind as you did re his "Breshke knows". You're probably right on that. The trouble I have is that both points are super dumb. GB must have known that making a claim your first post was going to draw scrutiny from town. If he is the medic, Mafia would probably ignore a vig claim in their blue hunt, or alternatively would kill townies most likely to solve the game anyway. Also, using a claim as a way of getting conversation IF YOU ARE A BLUE only serves to make you look scummier (leading town to "lynch all liars").
My view on this is that, given the set up, if GB's claim is fake then it will come out in due course anyway. Either we'll get a vigi shot, or we'll get a blue flip. Or, we'll get to Lylo-1 and someone will CC. The only reason to CC now is if there is a medic out there who thinks that the chance of GB being the RBer or GF plus the utility that gives the cop is worth trading their life for. My thinking on this now is tending towards no, although it's pretty finely balanced. If I was a weaker town player, I'd consider claiming just because that keeps stronger town alive longer.
If GB is the real medic, Mafia have to kill him at some point, or alternatively use their RB exclusively on him, meaning the cop can operate unmolested.
So, in answer to your question, yes it is super dumb, and it probably means that GB is Mafia. But game mechanics will eventually out him or exonerate him, and town would be better advised trying to find other scum. Lynching him and finding out he's medic would be super disastrous, and I don't think his flip gives us enough associative info to make it worthwhile.
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Da da da da daa
You know I'm mobbin' with the D R E
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La-da-da-da-dahh
You know I'm gonna find all the M - A - F in this mutha' fukka'
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On September 08 2015 01:51 scott31337 wrote:
La-da-da-da-dahh
You know I'm gonna find all the M - A - F in this mutha' fukka'
what's your stance on gb's claim?
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I think it's shit that will sort itself out a lot more on D2 and we have two more mafia to find anyway. I think it's fake if you want the real answer.
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On September 08 2015 02:00 scott31337 wrote:
I think it's shit that will sort itself out a lot more on D2 and we have two more mafia to find anyway. I think it's fake if you want the real answer.
Why do you think it's fake?
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I also have to prepare for the GB tunnel tomorrow as well, since we aren't lynching rayn (his other scumread lol)
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It's placement, how it all came about - his sleep/nap excuse - the thing that slightly makes me wonder though - if he is mafia and knows the setup - why not fakeclaim cop to find the true cop - unless it is the setup without one.
A lot of this will solve itself in a few hours - so I don't want to drain tons of energy on it though - I will D2 if we have to..
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On September 06 2015 03:02 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:17 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 11:16 Tictock wrote:Advisory Message from Alliance Command
We of the Central Planets would like to remind all people living out on the Rim Worlds that in order for transmissions (especially those carrying voting data) to be received that they must be made on the proper channel. The channel that is open for use in your sector is tl.net.nsm014
Please also remember to observe the proper protocol in submitting you messages so that our filtering programs do not discard your transmission with the rest of the background radiation. It's a "reminder" in a fluff. Give this guy a medal. Meh, I'm voting slam. Okay so why are you voting slam? Moosy trying to solve the game - unlike his mafia games - townlean I saw this post at page 21 from Alakaslam - Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 12:03 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 10:22 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 10:09 Breshke wrote:
I might be doing that thing where im stopping people pressure people but i can't help it when someones post gets misunderstood and its going to take like 6 years for it to get worked out on its own Nah, don't worry about it. I also have a tendency to clear up miscommunications between players, and I think it's generally a good thing. Then you at least make sure that the thread doesn't get cluttered up with people just talking past each other, and that if someone is going to scumread somebody else, it'll be because of what they said or did, instead of just what someone *thought* they said or did. So by all means, clear up misunderstandings between myself and rayn. And that won't keep me from being able to pressure him. Please make sure this doesn't turn into simply joining a fray. If they talk past each other, what makes you certain they don't just talk past you? Granted I have no memory of you, so fish mah man Rayn has meta reason as strong as my real reason for being away. Do him no discredit for his read of me, but please see it's prematurity. He is a townread. Yamato another townread. Still reading. And I did not like it - so I filter dived - this post is the only that only is more then one line - Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:15 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:06 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:51 Breshke wrote:
...because rayn has posted shit all about slam without me prodding/asking. that's not actually true. Here are all your posts i can find about slam before i asked about the read On September 05 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:yamato i am almost certain Slam is mafia. On September 05 2015 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:56 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think baiting rayn into getting angry is the right way to be playing this D1.
He's been fairly obvious town so far. glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work. idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see. I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why? On September 05 2015 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 07:46 Breshke wrote:
So do we just sit back and wait for the yamato/rayn magic to happen? This was Breshke's post. In this his tone is sarcastic which matches his general acerbic posting. I don't see why you would say this: On September 05 2015 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:[quote] I always nitpick over posts. That's how you find scum. And yes the latter part of your post is reasonable, that's how i would think people react. It's not how Breshke reacted though... He's basically saying he's waiting to see what you guys will do but you're saying that's not what he said? Also thoughts on the evolution of your read on Breshke. At first you think he's very likely to be Mafia then seem to waffle and say we'll have to see later on. Also around this time you seem to want to kill GlowingBear. I don't like how you give up one thing when GlowingBear starts to seem like a better lynch target with his terrible shenanigans. Here is my read evolution of Breshke: - I saw a post i think makes no sense from town perspective. - I asked him about it. - He answered, and then i said "it does not make any sense from town perspective". - I pushed him further, because i wanted a reaction (a better elaboration, in case he is town) and i wanted to make sure he knows i have my eyes on him because he CAN be lazy as town, but if he is town i don't want to allow him to be lazy, and i wanted him to know he does know that. - He said "okay, my post was indeed fluff, but idk what to expect from people at that point of the game" - That makes sense to me, i didn't even originally think about that. But now that he said it it makes a bit more sense. - Then i responded him basically with saying "if you are town you will play, okay" - After that his posting has been better, so i have a reason to believe he is not in fact mafia -> his behavior now to me makes more sense. I focused onto both Breshke and Glowingbear at the same time. I already knew what i would say regarding how GB answers me. I want to cut out the stupidity from this game. Again, i have not been pushing GB, and again, i don't even care if he is mafia or not, he earned himself a spot in "ignore pile", if someone else wants to figure him out do it. I think it's more likely that he is mafia fro what i have said but i am not sure. My "timing" on Breshke/GB thing has nothing to do with anything for reals. I think the most likely people who are mafia in this game atm are Slam & Noobking. Tell me where you talked about slam so much that I as mafia would have thought voting slam is thread sentiment. I am not talking about thread sentiment and neither is Slam. He is saying that if you are mafia you very well know what i mean and you know it's a reason to call Slam mafia, even without me ACTUALLY saying it. Which i totally agree with it. Im kinda getting confused here. Slam is exactly saying I am mafia because im pushing him and my only reason for pushing him is because i thought it was thread sentiment because you were pushing him On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:08 Breshke wrote:
SO when noobking said "Does rayn leap to ridiculous conclusions with no basis as either allegiance? Or only when he's Town?"
He was not being serious rayn. IIRC i think he was responding to yamato and he is trying to imply that you can not be town because you are leaping to ridiculous conclusions. This wasn't actually a question about your meta.
The why doesn't he fucking clarify it? Instead he keeps dancing around the issue and saying something else. Did you play in Newbie Student Mafia XIII? Like it was literally what he did all game long. Someone makes a clear point, he just twists the points into oblivion so noone even remembers the original argument anymore. He's like kitaman when scum, except for kitaman is really fucking good at it. He was asking you some question like about what you ment by your own defininition. From my pov he clearly im taking it as he didn't understand that you didnt ralise his post was sarcastic or w/e. If XIII is the one from mooseys sig then yes i was in it. I also want to add that I think the way noobking is acting towards you(rayn) is fairly anti town/scummy. Antagonizing someone isn't pressure. I don't really see what you are doing noobking as pressuring rayn because i don't see how you would be getting an allighnment read from it. That being said i think the slam thing is a really good place to put my vote right now and it kills two birds with one stone ##Vote Alakaslam Mafia. What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment. Another reason my Rayn respect is high. Yes, you could be "sheeping me" because you know i think Slam could be mafia for the same reasons you laid out. That's what he is saying, or like, that's his conclusion. Which is not totally out of this world. I see what you are saying but i don't see how the comment that "i think I am following thread sentiment even though its just you and you've posted a lot" fits in when you had hardly talked about it. Like if i then think oh rayn is going to scumread slam for this reason ill do it first because that would be good. Then no im not following thread sentiment im trying to pocket you or w/e. What slam originally said didn't make sense and when I pointed it out he didn't say that I was misunderstanding him so im not going to assume that he ment something else when it is clear to me what he said doesn't make sense. Dude is this your first time being scum? For your next game: you skimmed the thread and picked up on the general few people weakly agreeing with what Rayn mentioned all the time in passing and made a few strong key statements about. This made you think there was good reason and thread sentiment there to get me lynched. Rayn has been dissonant In a way the people at smashboards think is a tell (I am a little surprised none of the newbies except NK picked up on it) because they aren't so good as they think they are. Rayn has talked about me in a post saying I am just shy of confirmed scum and then voted someone else. He was pushing me hard, saying a good bit about NK, and then BAM- votes NK, not me. That's usually considered scummy, but I know what he is doing and besides it isn't actually as scummy as people think. Regardless, it threw you off but set you up with an excuse to vote me. This is also why k am hoping GB is on your team. Which says very little and bashing on Rayn who is my top townread at the moment - And now I see GB voting me - but says very little about this Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 13:56 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Meh I'm voting scott
##vote:scott Why If you leave I will suspicious of you agai My thoughts right now - but from what I watched of Slam he wouldn't put himself out here this easily, almost a townlean in a way - not a D1 lynch D1 lynches right now are GB and N00bking and voting n00bking
scott what did you mean by this? especially the bit about my "mafia games". because i've actually never had mafia.
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I stand corrected on that thought - I thought I remember you rolling mafia one game but I was mistaken - I think slam? brought that up already.
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On September 08 2015 02:11 scott31337 wrote:
I stand corrected on that thought - I thought I remember you rolling mafia one game but I was mistaken - I think slam? brought that up already.
mmm…ok. by the way if you’re town you’ve broken all records on your meta for actually participating.
which brings me to this question.
your tone throughout this game is excited which is normally associated with a townie as they feel free more often than not. but it sounds like you like being mafia better here?
On September 05 2015 09:00 scott31337 wrote:
Fucking town - I wanted to be mafia with Fidei and someone else - We'd bus the shit out of #3 and claim our victory.
 might be nothing but i’m covering my bases right now.
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On September 08 2015 02:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 02:11 scott31337 wrote:
I stand corrected on that thought - I thought I remember you rolling mafia one game but I was mistaken - I think slam? brought that up already. mmm…ok. by the way if you’re town you’ve broken all records on your meta for actually participating. which brings me to this question. your tone throughout this game is excited which is normally associated with a townie as they feel free more often than not. but it sounds like you like being mafia better here? Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:00 scott31337 wrote:
Fucking town - I wanted to be mafia with Fidei and someone else - We'd bus the shit out of #3 and claim our victory. might be nothing but i’m covering my bases right now.
I haven't rolled mafia in how many games? six or seven? - and from what I've learned, I want to again sometime.
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On September 08 2015 02:19 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 02:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 08 2015 02:11 scott31337 wrote:
I stand corrected on that thought - I thought I remember you rolling mafia one game but I was mistaken - I think slam? brought that up already. mmm…ok. by the way if you’re town you’ve broken all records on your meta for actually participating. which brings me to this question. your tone throughout this game is excited which is normally associated with a townie as they feel free more often than not. but it sounds like you like being mafia better here? On September 05 2015 09:00 scott31337 wrote:
Fucking town - I wanted to be mafia with Fidei and someone else - We'd bus the shit out of #3 and claim our victory. might be nothing but i’m covering my bases right now. I haven't rolled mafia in how many games? six or seven? - and from what I've learned, I want to again sometime.
so you're saying you would be excited about rolling mafia?
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I'd be even more excited if I rolled mafia, yes...
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On September 08 2015 02:28 scott31337 wrote:
I'd be even more excited if I rolled mafia, yes...
mmm...ok. one last quick question bb. your stances on CopCake and Fidei86?
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