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Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 10 2015 00:50 GMT
#1813
It's probably because my posts have been riddled with typos this game. THAT is probably because I've been doing most of my playing at 2am, when I should have gone to bed a long time ago
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 10 2015 01:14 GMT
#1821
On September 10 2015 10:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
cool. superbia/boxer/breshke/moosy?

Like, what even is this post? You've been scum reading Cake all game, and I feel like you've been softing me for a while. Then you come out after Rayn says he thinks we're both town (idk how doctor would even confirm someone when the night kill went through n1), and basically say "oh cool, I've been wrong all game, but happy to take your word for it!"

And then you include yourself in the possible scum list?!?

...

Ugh. If you're town, you're playing such a weird game, I don't even know. I thought you were too dumb to be Mafia, but you're testing that read now.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 10 2015 01:16 GMT
#1822
On September 10 2015 10:13 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2015 10:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
moosy + superbia mafia.


I was just considering this.

Superbia was the only town lean he justified like why?

Who who justified? GB or Moosy?
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 10 2015 12:12 GMT
#1914
Is it me, or does MD's explanation for his weird read on the game on D2 kind of make sense, if he was trying to protect Rayn? Like, if enough townies had sort of said what MD was saying, we might have been able to WIFOM Mafia into shooting elsewhere? GB was obviously dead anyway, so no chance MD's vote actually became deciding. It's quite an advanced town play, and it's kind of risky because you make yourself look hella scummy in the meantime. But last night after playing voice I was sort of wondering whether it was worth me fake claiming doctor just to try and WIFOM mafia. I decided (for obvious reasons) that that was a super dumbass play that would get me lynched and would almost certainly not fool Mafia, but maybe Moosy was thinking along the same lines?

Rayn what do you think?

Work is busy today so no filter dives till I get home later.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 10 2015 12:16 GMT
#1915
Thinking that through makes me feel kind of stupid for posting that it was so obvious rayn's claim was real. It might have been obvious to me, but ...

Damn.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 10 2015 12:30 GMT
#1918
So my read evolution on GB was as follows:

1. I thought his thread entry was NAI.
2. I sort of agreed with him that rayn was being *way* over the top in the early part of the game.
3. I thought that his reads and his votes were all over the place, which I thought was strange.
4. I thought that the n00b and the cake lynches were bad, and I figured that GB was more likely to flip mafia. I was also sort of re-assured that rayn was willing to switch, as I was town reading him.

So basically my reservations were "I really don't have a strong read on this guy", so it's sort just a percentage play.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 10 2015 12:32 GMT
#1919
On September 10 2015 21:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
fidei, you also still haven't given thoughts on the people you listed earlier.

if it helps, i liked your filter a lot more than i thought i would after reading through it and this might be my last set of interrogations for you in a while.

I played voice till 2am with rayn, superbia and Cake (superbia's actually a really strong player, guys, just in case you didn't know him from before), then I passed out, then I ran to get to work and then I've been working all morning. I just logged in on my lunch break. Now I need to go back to work. I double promise that I will filter dive the people I pinged out last night, and you can lynch me if I don't.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 10 2015 21:29 GMT
#1933
Describe it for us <3
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 10 2015 21:48 GMT
#1934
Ugh. Filter dived Bresh, Superbia, Nocturne and BF. Just Cake to go. My poor eyes / brain.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 10 2015 22:29 GMT
#1944
Okay.

I think this game is actually really easy. I think the GB flip gave us a lot of information.

TOWN

Slam. He's on GB early, he never believes him, he doesn't want to move off him.

Rayn. RIP buddy.

Scott. I don't see any reason for a scum GB to cast suspicion on scott in a situation where neither of them looked like they were going to be the lynch at all. Scott also posted that he thought the early GB wagon was pure - no reason to confirm that many town as mafia.

Fidei. Town Moses. I shall take us to the promised land!

MEH

MoosyDoosy. I really don't think it's possible to be this dumb and be mafia. Everything he has posted has been so laughably stupid that I think it probably comes from a place of genuine confusion.

Cake. Nocturne Mage pointed out that she was early on the GB wagon. IDK about that - GB was one of her top three scum reads. But I think that town Cake likely just borrowed her reads from rayn. She also said some pretty rude things about GB in her list post, which was WAY before the GB wagon started.

Boxerfred. He has been so inactive that it's difficult to get a good read on him. Also, he posted he had "no idea" on GB (#1163), which is usually a mafia-esque way to read your mafia buddy. He also made this really weird post at (#1169) where he asked me to give my reads on n00b and Cake, even after I feel like I'd said quite a few times that I didn't like the lynch on either of them. He is super meh. I have no particular reason to scum read him or town read him.

NocturneMage. NocturneMage's writing style really grates me. It comes across as quite polished and clipped, but not fluid. His reads are also quite strange. At one point he town-read Bresh, but later said that it would be good for the cop to check him? I didn't like a lot of his posts, but he's clearly putting effort in. Also, he had an early post where he town-read Superbia and Bresh, so I don't see him being on a team with them.

SCUM

The main reason why I'm "meh" reading all of the above is because I'm pretty sure that the mafia pairing is Bresh and Superbia.

Superbia. His early reads on GB are poor. He says "Do you really think GB is mafia here?" (#216) and then he later says "GB is idk". As I said above, this is a classic way for mafia to read mafia. He later says "Don't know about slam/gb. Both are very much on the sidelines." Pretty much all of his early filter are questions, and they don't seem massively pertinent ones either. They're mostly just prodding. On d2, right at the start, he asks for the CC without *any* reasoning whatosever. Then, again, he says at the beginning of N2 that the cop should post their checks EON 2, IN A SITUATION WHERE RAYN IS 99% THE DOCTOR AND WILL GET SHOT. He has a late cake town read that comes out of nowhere.

Breshke. This one is easy, IMO. He has an early town read on GB which he doesn't explain, and which he takes back once GB comes under suspicion. He early votes on Slam with little/no justification. However, crucially, he basically rescinds his Slam read, but then LEAVES HIS VOTE ON SLAM TO EOD. He says he slept in. But his Slam vote went in super early. That makes no sense, particularly when he seems to indicate he has a scum read on n00b early on, and n00b is plainly a lynch candidate. Once GB fake claims, mafia know he's dead, so I don't think you get very much/any cred for that.

I would say I'm much more certain on Bresh than I am on Superbia, but I still think this is by far the most likely scum team.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 10 2015 22:30 GMT
#1947
WTF.
Rayn.
Jesus dude.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 10 2015 22:33 GMT
#1952
Hang on, you saved him but he died anyway? huh?
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 10 2015 22:34 GMT
#1956
I mean, rayn's play is 100% determined by outcome. If he's right on GB, he's a hero. If he's wrong, he throws the game for town. It now looks like an amazing play, but jesus it was risky as fuck.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 10 2015 22:38 GMT
#1962
Okay, well, I'm glad he was right. But fuck. Fuckkkkkkkkk.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 10 2015 22:40 GMT
#1966
@MD I feel pretty f***ing dumb right now. Lol. I underestimated how much rayn loves to take games to the brink.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 11 2015 08:52 GMT
#2082
@bf I'm really not convinced by your case, which seems to boil down to "Superbia said mean things about GB towards EOD but didn't change his vote".

Also, is your case on MD "three people are scum reading him"?
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 11 2015 08:55 GMT
#2083
Also I'm starting to think that all this speculation about blue roles is pointless. Townies don't know and can't really know for now. Also, it doesn't help us. We have two blues, and they will have to claim at some point - probably tomorrow when we're at 5-2, anyway to give us enough time to sort out the claims and counterclaims. In the meantime, VTs should focus on scum hunting.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 11 2015 09:08 GMT
#2084
##Vote: Breshke

He AFKs through the day 1 vote, which was hugely important, then he comes back just a little bit afterwards, claiming he overslept. But in the meantime, he had left his vote on Slam, who he was town reading. That to me is super scummy, and I think we should be voting him off first.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 11 2015 13:57 GMT
#2086
I really want to hear what everyone thinks of my case on Breshke. We can't just AFK through this day and/or spend the whole day fighting with MD. That's the easiest way to make sure we don't get the lynch right.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 11 2015 15:02 GMT
#2098
Sson?
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