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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 06 2015 20:25 GMT
#1001
On September 07 2015 05:24 Superbia wrote:
And who's james?

James is Fidei.
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 06 2015 20:26 GMT
#1002
All right.
Minimal effort.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
September 06 2015 20:26 GMT
#1003
On September 07 2015 03:19 yamato77 wrote:
I'm still reading, but my impressions are thus:

I'm sorely tempted to lynch n00bKing regardless of what I find, but my better judgement says that he's probably town with a massive stick up his ass. FWIW I think his reads are all wrong but I think he's also bad enough to believe them, SO.

I am still quite suspicious of Moosy and therefor I think the CopCake lynch is horrid. The wagon is n00b, mooosy, and the replacement. All-Stars.

GB is fine afking with a vote on a wagon by himself. He is mafia.

I want to lynch GB

I beat you to it

Haha slam was hipster
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 06 2015 20:27 GMT
#1004
On September 07 2015 05:24 Superbia wrote:
Noobking what is moosy's alignment?

Minimal effort.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 06 2015 20:27 GMT
#1005
The name of the game is for the Town players to work together, and create conditions where the Scum players cannot conceal themselves. With that goal in mind, everything rayn does is wrong.

Like lite-fucking-rally if this is how noobking thinks mafia is played (while this is correct( he should never ever made any of the posts he made on p1-2 in his filter and he should NOT townread GB.

Never. Never, ever never.
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 06 2015 20:29 GMT
#1006
All right. Rayn, who do you think the other 2 mafia are besides noobking?
Minimal effort.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 06 2015 20:29 GMT
#1007
Ugh. Rayn, I'm concerned you're too tunnelled on n00b. I don't want to have to choose between voting Cake and n00b.

I'm going to park my vote on BF for now. I think he's a much better option than either of the two leading wagons. I guess I could also move onto scott - I don't have much of a read on him and his level of contribution has been pretty weak.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 06 2015 20:29 GMT
#1008
On September 07 2015 05:29 Superbia wrote:
All right. Rayn, who do you think the other 2 mafia are besides noobking?

Slam and idk yet.
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n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
September 06 2015 20:29 GMT
#1009
On September 07 2015 05:23 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 05:21 Superbia wrote:
No. Moosy was proposing to lynch you day 2 if noobking flips town d1.
How are you getting lynched if they're mafia together?


Moosy BET that noobking was town and that when he gets lynched he will appear town so therefore I was mafia and that he would prove it. I already said that if I was his TOP scum read why he doesn't lynch me instead of protecting his biggest town read.

He's trying to lynch you. That's where his vote is, and has been. But he knows thread sentiment isn't against you strongly enough yet, which is how he ends up saying what he did. There's nothing odd about his posts on the subject.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 06 2015 20:30 GMT
#1010
##Vote: boxerfred
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 06 2015 20:32 GMT
#1011
noobking. Give a list of everyone in the game and say whether they are town or mafia.
Minimal effort.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 06 2015 20:32 GMT
#1012
On September 07 2015 03:18 CopCake wrote:
How are my reads "bad" ?

I don't get that part


I'm back but briefly, I have to run for half an hour but I will return soon.

Cake, I outlined the specific problems I had with your reads, namely (to be concise - I put in bulletpoints for each read) why you are scumreading people for towny actions. I asked you twice to explain over how those things were scummy and you failed to do it.

In general I do not understand the case against gb, Slam's posts on him are a bit disjointed (lack of original thought) but at least I can try and verify that, Cake's points against him don't make sense from a town perspective.

Yamato appears to want to lynch him and I don't understand why.

On September 07 2015 01:40 Fidei86 wrote:
@n00bking

What the hell are you talking about? Information on a BF lynch? The dude has made like two posts, and the only people who have said anything are Scott and Cake. This is just such a bad argument, I don't even know where to begin. I was pretty sure you're town, but you keep digging yourself deeper and it's getting harder and harder to keep town reading you.

All that sort of contradicts with my view that we should lynch BF. Policy and posting are two totally valid reasons to lynch him imo. "Information" just isn't.


Also agree with this post in passing. if everyone votes him, or policy votes him, you really don't get a load of information, from what I've read you only get information from contested lynches.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 06 2015 20:33 GMT
#1013
On September 07 2015 05:29 Fidei86 wrote:
Ugh. Rayn, I'm concerned you're too tunnelled on n00b. I don't want to have to choose between voting Cake and n00b.

I'm going to park my vote on BF for now. I think he's a much better option than either of the two leading wagons. I guess I could also move onto scott - I don't have much of a read on him and his level of contribution has been pretty weak.

I am totally sure noobking is mafia because his play makes no sense and was really similar to his last game i played with him.
Suddenly when i bring this up and Moosy has seemingly a lightbulp popping over his head (because i was right) the dude suddenly retracts his scumread on me, or calls it fucking "never existing" and has even balls to make a post "townies should work together and be clear of their intentions" while he has done the opposite and GB was the one who was distracting the town and NOT allowing the town work together. Yeah but obviously GB here is his "top townread".

It's like.... roflskates. There is nothing more to say, it doesn't make any sense.

I am gonna go read BF but i am not going to switch my vote today, that's for sure.
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 06 2015 20:33 GMT
#1014
On September 07 2015 05:29 Fidei86 wrote:
Ugh. Rayn, I'm concerned you're too tunnelled on n00b. I don't want to have to choose between voting Cake and n00b.

I'm going to park my vote on BF for now. I think he's a much better option than either of the two leading wagons. I guess I could also move onto scott - I don't have much of a read on him and his level of contribution has been pretty weak.


I want you to park your vote on the most voted wagon at the end of day. Regardless of who it is. Can you do that?
Minimal effort.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 06 2015 20:34 GMT
#1015
On September 07 2015 05:18 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 00:35 NocturneMage wrote:
Alakaslam, can you explain why you dropped the Breshke scumread and your vote on him for seemingly zero reason?

You didn't tinfoil vote him so I don't think you can tinfoil unvote him if I am making any sense.

Back for a bit :D

Yes. I was crafting a n insane theory late at night, after going to sleep and looking at it the next day, I concluded I was in a loony tunnel and dropped it immediately.


.........

What in your thought process made you back track on him? You are reading as if you are so sure Breshke was your lynch.

I am specifically asking what got you out of your tunnel.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 06 2015 20:34 GMT
#1016
No, boxerfred is not mafia.
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n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
September 06 2015 20:35 GMT
#1017
On September 07 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I could write a case but if people are too lazy to read then whatever.

You could write a case, but...there is no case. There is no legitimate reason to scumread me. Which is only natural, since I'm not Scum.
On September 07 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
James no, his posting does not make him town. I have talked about this already.

Yeah it does. He and I have talked about this already.
On September 07 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now he is fucking backpedalling from a scumread on me while the first ~24hours ALL HE DID WAS CALL ME ME MAFIA. Are you people so fuckign stupid jsut because he says "i didn't vote for rayn in the voting thread" you believe his "i didn't call rayn mafia for realz kthxbye". Serously GO READ HIS FILTER.

Seriously, GO READ THE THREAD. I DARE you. I am not backpedaling one single step, and never once did I call you Mafia. Nor did I ever use any "kthxbye" because I continued to participate in discussion on any and every subject that mattered. If you actually read the posts between myself and other players about you in order, with context, it is painfully obvious that I went out of my way to avoid trying to tell anyone that you were Scum OR that they should vote against you.

When CopCake made one post to me that demanded I explain why you were Mafia "in my eyes" I skipped that part of her post and answered the rest. Because I had never said you were Mafia in my eyes. There are other examples just like this one, but it really is already sufficient all by itself. You're just not even trying to see the truth. Which again...could not possibly surprise me any less.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
September 06 2015 20:35 GMT
#1018
On September 07 2015 05:21 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 03:43 yamato77 wrote:
I absolutely feel that we should be lynching GB today, and we don't have much time to do it.

IF ANYONE has objections, please raise them.

I've read noob's post on the matter and choose to disagree with it in its entirety.


ThIs might be the best plan. Gb has been GiVing me bad vibes all game so far. Noob could be bad different town. I think he's put enough to give him a pass for today.

Let me finish the that first.

I am telling you, noobking reminds me of someone who is very successful on that homesite he still hasn't linked. Because it's smashboards. And he knows that really, he is one of the better players and these sites could very well be similar in skill level with a wholly different philosophy and therefore make his shitting look bad just as mine was made to look very bad when I brought some of our people there.

I actually think he is not potassium anymore though. He is one of the people who was in Death Note.

Anyway, GB has been wishy washy as well.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 06 2015 20:36 GMT
#1019
Superbia, I'm home but I'm not feeling well, so I'm not going to format it well so I can take a quick nap quicker:

On September 05 2015 09:15 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:
On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote:
In which page the game started?


9

@rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role.

I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it.

Show nested quote +
On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:
On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote:
In which page the game started?


9

@rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role.

I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it.



A quote and so much talk from Breshke day 1 makes me wonder if he wants to try to change his ways - which for a D1 - townlean.

More Breshke walls of text -

GB smoking/drinking again - and follow his opposite

Show nested quote +
On September 05 2015 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 05 2015 08:12 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think GB is mafia here?

I don't care i stopped reading his posts.
I hope a vigilante shoots him.


Ok, you're mafia

##Vote: Rayn


Re-read Supers post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24820236- + Show Spoiler +

On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote:
I'm about to head off. Won't be around tomorrow until around this time. Some incoherent thoughts (pretty tired).

Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.

Curious to see what comes off rayn/yamato co-op stuff.

Initially disliked yamato's opening. After what rayn just said it's okay for now. Interested in rayn's follow up opinion.

Don't really like moosy I think. Especially the purposely random typing (different from pre-game). Also can't really find a reasoning behind his posts yet (might be bc I'm tired).

Dislike breshke who feels bitter in his latest post (mafia trait imo). Feels weird to see him admit to scummy-esque things. IDK what he's doing as either alignment. Have to see later.

GB is idk. Don't really care about the (fake) claim that much tbh.

Rest also IDK.

So yeah. Follow rayn for now probably. Don't claim blue though. No matter what he says. I'll see where you guys are at tomorrow.


Good information but I'm already blitzed.

N00bking's posts bad like last game.
He's my worst right now.

Rayn town
Yamato doing shit - town


This post may appear contributive at first glance but it's basically a summary of the thread at that point and reads accordingly to thread sentiment, bringing nothing new to the table. Why is Rayn town, why he is so quick to give yamato a townread like that? Why just saying I'm "drinking" again, discrediting me? It's a bunch of rehash with an attempt of looking contributive without actually contributing.

He then starts to post reads accordingly to his progression on the pages of thread, cluttering the thread with partial and outdated information he keeps further reevaluating instead of just giving his opinion on one big post. My problem with this is that he is again trying to look contributive while not actually being contributive. Worse. He is cluttering the thread just to show "look, I'm doing stuff!" instead of interacting and actually search for Mafia.

He is very bold when he gives reads. Calls Nocturne "town" with no back reqsoning when he was suspicious of mage's slot. He gives 3 names of people he thinks are Mafia and he could lynch (sayinf maybe I'm not Mafia an cake is) but posts this:

On September 06 2015 23:48 scott31337 wrote:
I could lynch boxer but it feels like policy really.


For someone who has 3-4 scumreads, this is extremely scummy. Why is he okay with boxer's lynch if he has THREE better targets and he even ADMITS boxer is only a policy?

I see no better lynch.
I'm adorable.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
September 06 2015 20:36 GMT
#1020
On September 07 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well noobking is mafia and we should lynch him.
I don't have much else to say.

I could write a case but if people are too lazy to read then whatever.

James no, his posting does not make him town. I have talked about this already.
Now he is fucking backpedalling from a scumread on me while the first ~24hours ALL HE DID WAS CALL ME ME MAFIA. Are you people so fuckign stupid jsut because he says "i didn't vote for rayn in the voting thread" you believe his "i didn't call rayn mafia for realz kthxbye". Serously GO READ HIS FILTER.

Then there is this gem:
Show nested quote +
The name of the game is for the Town players to work together, and create conditions where the Scum players cannot conceal themselves. With that goal in mind, everything rayn does is wrong.

Now let's say noobking actually didn't call me mafia and believe it (while there is no reason to).
Does it look like he is playing up to this, what he thinks is a correct way to play?
Does it look like he was arguing that i am wrong instead that i am scum?
Does it look like he was creating a good town atmosphere with posts like "TLMafia is filled with shit players" and fucking dumbass posts like that?

Does it?
DOES IT?

I am going to be super fucking mad if either of Cake or Scott get lynched while this kinda shit running around in the thread. Also because they are both town.

Why I love Rayn

Man, he is making me want to lunch noob but I just don't agree that he is scum.
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