EPTNewbie Student Mafia XIV: Firefly - Page 42
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raynpelikoneet
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CopCake
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He is making you have conditions and limiting town point of view. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
Wait Fidei pinged you as mafia? Post 269/807 are the only posts he's had in the game. No pinging you as mafia. ????????? | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On September 06 2015 08:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: mmm james' last post was super scummy- Who is James? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I mean like, sure if you think she is mafia go ahead and push. But like.... Doesn't it matter anything? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Fidei-. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On September 06 2015 08:40 NocturneMage wrote: alright you ninjaed me lol.... Wait Fidei pinged you as mafia? Post 269/807 are the only posts he's had in the game. No pinging you as mafia. ????????? No, I don't think she means that Fidei pinged her as Mafia (as in, identified her as Mafia). She's saying he pinged her as Mafia more than boxerfred (as in, felt scummier to her). But that requires that she found this post from Fidei scummy, which seems absurd: Guys I am about, but it's Friday and I went out drinking with buddies. Last time I entered a thread drunk, I nearly got lynched. So I will read and post reactions tomorrow I promise. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
I hate n00b's style of posting, because there's really no reason to be so rude. I get it, you think that you're better than us all. That's fine, you might well be. But you can't honestly be surprised to find people don't like arrogant, superior people. And you're doing both in spades. If you're town, you're just digging your own grave at the moment. The post I most disliked from n00bking was #801. I think it's worth me quoting it in full: On September 06 2015 07:47 n00bKing wrote: The importance of the distinction between calling rayn's points bullshit and making a case for why he should be lynched cannot be overstated. You're right, "all that matters" is that rayn's points were being called bullshit (and they were bullshit). rayn mislabeled it as being something else, so I corrected him. Just as I corrected him when he tried to pretend I had said at some point that he is Scum. I'm sitting here reading this post, and I just keep asking myself "why does a town n00b make this post?". The only reason to call people's posts bad, without following with a read on the poster, is if you're trying to stop momentum on a wagon you think is wrong. Otherwise, you're just soft-scumming the poster. I would say probably half of n00b's filter up to now is his fight with rayn. And through all of that, he hasn't actually formed a read on him yet? How does that even make sense? If n00b is town, I don't get why he essentially causes the entirety of d1 to be about his fight with rayn, someone he doesn't even seem to have a scum read on ??? n00b is a scum-read for now. That said, there are a ton of other interesting things about this fight that are worth pondering. Yamato's thread is one I think is worth parsing a little more. He again seems to have been swept up in the fight, and is taking lots of swings at n00b. I've spent a fair amount of time talking to Yamato on TS, and I would say off the bat that his posts sound like him. But at the same time, he's a strong player and his absolute focus on n00b this early seems a little off. I'm also not sure that his post #598 makes a ton of sense. Rayn's read on Yamato is flimsy, at best. Even rayn would surely have to admit that trying to discern someone's alignment from how excited they are in their first post is pretty difficult. For two people who only know each other over the internet, it would be basically impossible. So why is yamato so keen to emphasise that he and rayn are hard town-reading each other? I think I will read Moosy and GB's filters, then head to bed. Any questions, fire away in the meantime. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On September 06 2015 08:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: mmm james' last post was super scummy- Nah, it's only a little scummy. But it's interesting that he's doing some of the same things that one of the Scum players did IN the game he's talking about (Newbie XII) that I used as reasons to lynch that exact Mafia member. Meanwhile, agree that NocturneMage comes off as Town, for the moment. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On September 06 2015 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: james' last post was super towny. Fidei looks town. He did much the same in our newbie game prior where he lectured people with his first post before going down to business. Both him and NocturneMage come off looking better from their posts which is good. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
On September 06 2015 08:47 n00bKing wrote: Nah, it's only a little scummy. But it's interesting that he's doing some of the same things that one of the Scum players did IN the game he's talking about (Newbie XII) that I used as reasons to lynch that exact Mafia member. Meanwhile, agree that NocturneMage comes off as Town, for the moment. ? Care to elaborate? | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
On September 06 2015 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: james' last post was super towny. First of all <3 that you're calling me James. Second of all can you give a more detailed response? If you just say you like it or you don't, it's difficult to figure out whether you agree with it, or you're just trying to pocket me. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On September 06 2015 08:52 Fidei86 wrote: First of all <3 that you're calling me James. Second of all can you give a more detailed response? If you just say you like it or you don't, it's difficult to figure out whether you agree with it, or you're just trying to pocket me. i don't pocket people. i find it genuine. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On September 06 2015 08:54 Fidei86 wrote: Can I ask you a question - what is your read on Yamato? He seems to think that you are hard town reading each other. Are you? If you are reading him town, why? me? i am pretty sure i have explained my read on yamato. if you can't access filters (mine) just let me know and i find the post. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On September 05 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: The reason i am reading yamato town is because i talked with him on TS last night and he has rolled mafia for like 5 games in a row or something and i told him "hey let's wreck mafia if we are both town, it would be nice to play with you when you are actually town and play". He basically promised to play in his first post, because he seems interested in the game and happy. If it's a fake post then i will 100% figure it out based on his play AFTERWARDS, but as per now there is zero reason to think yamato is mafia. . And nothing has made me think otherwise after i made the post. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On September 06 2015 08:43 n00bKing wrote: No, I don't think she means that Fidei pinged her as Mafia (as in, identified her as Mafia). She's saying he pinged her as Mafia more than boxerfred (as in, felt scummier to her). But that requires that she found this post from Fidei scummy, which seems absurd: Yeah that's why I mentioned the double standard and the Breshke/BF, etc reads. And Rayn, to answer your question regardless of my read on you, I'm still pretty early on here on TL, only my second forum mafia game ever, first ever as town. Maybe you know her extremely well but in a tinfoil world where you're outsmarting my newbie self and if you're both mafia, my trusting your reads is suicide. I'm probably going to be just wary of anyone's meta reads on anyone else (not just you but anyone, I am trying to ignore that in general) until I get a few more games here on this forum and I get a better grasp on this community (aside from observing games). I mean I'm just holding Copcake to HER OWN standards and her own reads and there's a bunch of things that just don't add up. It would appear she's not new to mafia in general, she's citing voice experience but on forum experience if she's new, how do I know she's not tripping over herself? (if she's not new to forum mafia then I'll rescind and stand corrected but my prior questions still stand, there's enough things that don't add up) And even as she says she has her own criteria, town's failure to understand that criteria isn't going to help. So if I am wrong, I want her to iron out for herself where, and I know I'm not the only one voting her down here so maybe that will help others. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
On September 06 2015 05:12 MoosyDoosy wrote: -.- i detailed a post where i lumped people into categories but here you go: town: raynpelikoneet, yamato77 town lean: Superbia, Alakaslam null: Breshke, boxerfred, GlowingBear, scott31337, Fidei86 people to look into: nocturnemage/coughinghydra, copcake ???: n00bKing Okay, so this post. WTF. I started off by running through all the reads one by one, but the thing that really sticks out here is that MD's previous five pages of filter are basically just a defence of n00b. MD goes as far as to say that he has the best read on n00b of everyone in the game, and that he is basically SURE that this is n00b's town meta. But now that there's a wagon picking up on n00b, he's trying to walk that back? Huh? MD you really need to explain this read for me, because at the moment it really stinks. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
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