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On September 05 2015 11:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 10:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 10:39 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 10:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:27 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 10:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:12 GlowingBear wrote:
You don't think is reasonable to call you Mafia for displaying bad arguments in thread, at least in my POV?
Also, consider I'm town. I'm having very different reads from you. I think Moosy doosy is Mafia and I really don't understand how can you town read him.
Do you understand why I think Moosy doosy is Mafia? I am sorry if you think that way but i have displayed zero bad arguments in thread. My arguments on yamato and Slam are in fact really fucking good. My argument on noobking is also good. You are (probably unintentionally) misrepresenting my "argument" on Breshke. So please go back and read what i answered to Moosy. You know i tend to use certainties, if i say "zero reason" it does in fact mean "zero reason in my opinion (at this point)". I push people to contribute, and i pressure them, that's why i use such wording. You should know it, you have played with me enough. I don't undersntad why you think Moosy is mafia. Can you clarify? Or do i need to go read somethign again? Rayn, I'm actually not sure now because his latest posts have good content in them, but his early posting were all fluff and what you could say "post just to post". It's what Breshke did, multiplied. Read his filter and you'll see what I'm talking about. It is an attitude thing. I have played on VS where people tended to post nothing important on D1 before i started playing there. You can usually tell if people are just "hanging around" and most likely town, or mafia who try to say something even semi-game related. I thought that was what Breshke was doing (the latter), but i was probably wrong. I don't see anything wrong in Moosy's early posting. If you have something you feel like i should re-look in a different light please let me know. I understand what you were saying about Breshke. I just think that on early game you can't pick a single post and assume the guy is simply "posting just to post". But if you see the guy doing it in a series of posts, then this would be a hard evidence. Let me show you posts that I think illustrates this better: + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 09:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:01 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. I'm hating everything you post. Have you ever listend to Eminem - Guts Over Fear? He's definitely lost skill but I like his message better nowadays. On September 05 2015 08:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:01 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GlowingBear final anwer, are you claiming a vigilante or not? I am + Show Spoiler + can u be serious plzerino On September 05 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:9. like u can just scroll thru instead of asking miss. On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. On September 05 2015 08:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Eminem - No love
oldie but goodie On September 05 2015 08:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:42 CopCake wrote:
How exactly "rayn calmed down" when I got in?
Couldn't he just calmed down on his own? I was being a funny punny. Zebrahead is actually pretty good too tbh. I like "Falling Apart" the most. On September 05 2015 08:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:HI NOOBKING OMG I LOVE U On September 05 2015 08:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
n00bKing n00bKing. Just a question: Are you mafia? Like, the last post, especially. Why he asks that to noobking? What answer does he expect? mmm...I consider myself the best person in this game to read n00bKing rite now so i know what im doing sir. and everything else i've been doing actually does make sense too. btw have u listened to Eminem - Mockingbird? it's so sad but gr8 m8. kinda funny because the bird got its name for sounding like its mocking people when it's actually not. I don't like Eminem. What did you get from his answer then? im guessing this was the question. 1. eminem doesn't like u. 2. i already said this but n00bKing is town. he's acting like his town game rite now although it would help if u guys stopped antagonizing him. like don't worry he's probably working on a big case right now because that's what he does. he asks a bunch of questions then writes a big case. the reason why rayn probably doesn't know this is because he was in the game where n00bKing was scum and didn't do this. 3. also, the point of me asking him was to set a rapport. the biggest tell in n00bking's scum game is how he posts. he posts more friendly/has more rapport as a scum. however, what he did was respond and then got to business straight away. this leads me to believe him as a town as he focused straight away after acknowledging me. and it's natural for him to acknowledge me because i've been in all of his past games and we've done some good work together.
Why can't noobking do point 3 as mafia?
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MoosyDoosy which towngame(s) of his are you referring to?
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On September 05 2015 11:36 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 10:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 10:39 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 10:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:27 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 10:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:12 GlowingBear wrote:
You don't think is reasonable to call you Mafia for displaying bad arguments in thread, at least in my POV?
Also, consider I'm town. I'm having very different reads from you. I think Moosy doosy is Mafia and I really don't understand how can you town read him.
Do you understand why I think Moosy doosy is Mafia? I am sorry if you think that way but i have displayed zero bad arguments in thread. My arguments on yamato and Slam are in fact really fucking good. My argument on noobking is also good. You are (probably unintentionally) misrepresenting my "argument" on Breshke. So please go back and read what i answered to Moosy. You know i tend to use certainties, if i say "zero reason" it does in fact mean "zero reason in my opinion (at this point)". I push people to contribute, and i pressure them, that's why i use such wording. You should know it, you have played with me enough. I don't undersntad why you think Moosy is mafia. Can you clarify? Or do i need to go read somethign again? Rayn, I'm actually not sure now because his latest posts have good content in them, but his early posting were all fluff and what you could say "post just to post". It's what Breshke did, multiplied. Read his filter and you'll see what I'm talking about. It is an attitude thing. I have played on VS where people tended to post nothing important on D1 before i started playing there. You can usually tell if people are just "hanging around" and most likely town, or mafia who try to say something even semi-game related. I thought that was what Breshke was doing (the latter), but i was probably wrong. I don't see anything wrong in Moosy's early posting. If you have something you feel like i should re-look in a different light please let me know. I understand what you were saying about Breshke. I just think that on early game you can't pick a single post and assume the guy is simply "posting just to post". But if you see the guy doing it in a series of posts, then this would be a hard evidence. Let me show you posts that I think illustrates this better: + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 09:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:01 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. I'm hating everything you post. Have you ever listend to Eminem - Guts Over Fear? He's definitely lost skill but I like his message better nowadays. On September 05 2015 08:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:01 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GlowingBear final anwer, are you claiming a vigilante or not? I am + Show Spoiler + can u be serious plzerino On September 05 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:9. like u can just scroll thru instead of asking miss. On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. On September 05 2015 08:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Eminem - No love
oldie but goodie On September 05 2015 08:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:42 CopCake wrote:
How exactly "rayn calmed down" when I got in?
Couldn't he just calmed down on his own? I was being a funny punny. Zebrahead is actually pretty good too tbh. I like "Falling Apart" the most. On September 05 2015 08:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:HI NOOBKING OMG I LOVE U On September 05 2015 08:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
n00bKing n00bKing. Just a question: Are you mafia? Like, the last post, especially. Why he asks that to noobking? What answer does he expect? mmm...I consider myself the best person in this game to read n00bKing rite now so i know what im doing sir. and everything else i've been doing actually does make sense too. btw have u listened to Eminem - Mockingbird? it's so sad but gr8 m8. kinda funny because the bird got its name for sounding like its mocking people when it's actually not. I don't like Eminem. What did you get from his answer then? im guessing this was the question. 1. eminem doesn't like u. 2. i already said this but n00bKing is town. he's acting like his town game rite now although it would help if u guys stopped antagonizing him. like don't worry he's probably working on a big case right now because that's what he does. he asks a bunch of questions then writes a big case. the reason why rayn probably doesn't know this is because he was in the game where n00bKing was scum and didn't do this. 3. also, the point of me asking him was to set a rapport. the biggest tell in n00bking's scum game is how he posts. he posts more friendly/has more rapport as a scum. however, what he did was respond and then got to business straight away. this leads me to believe him as a town as he focused straight away after acknowledging me. and it's natural for him to acknowledge me because i've been in all of his past games and we've done some good work together. Why can't noobking do point 3 as mafia?
n00bking is one of those players that are really bad at faking things as mafia. it was my mistake to not realize it in retrospect but i've learned from that game.
@rayn, lemme find those games real quick.
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On September 05 2015 11:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Care to answer my questions please?
I'll share reads and lynch targets as appropriate. So the answers to your questions about Slam and Moosy are in the "pending" file.
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Okay so this was his town games:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488742-newbie-student-mafia-xii
He's doing a lot of the same things here as he did as town in those games.
Now as you can see in those games, he went down to business rather quickly. There were some rapport posts but those were post-game and not much while the game was in progress.
If we look at his scum game, these are the posts that were really fishy (note that I was indeed the first person to notice this as well):
On July 24 2015 10:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On that note n00bKing you seem a lot more friendly in this game than in others. At least you're posting a lot more fluff here and responding to more stuff than going down to business like you normally would. Any particular reason why?
The weird posts I noticed:
On July 24 2015 07:29 n00bKing wrote:Meh, I don't get people's reluctance to play as Scum. Granted, this is only my third game here, but I think it'll be exciting, whenever I finally get a chance to kill some of you people.  Blue role? Sure, cool, I'll take that. But I'd rather be Scum than VT (maybe I'll feel differently once it actually happens.)
On July 24 2015 04:53 n00bKing wrote:
The snow glows white on the mountain tonight, not a footprint to be seen...
On July 27 2015 06:44 n00bKing wrote:Dear Bad Guys, I know that the Mafia attacked me on Night 1 of Newbie 11, and that they attacked me on Night 2 of Newbie 12. So maybe you are thinking of attacking me tonight, too. But don't do it! Show nested quote +n00bKing wrote:having so much crossover in the player lists for the Newbie games is making it feel more like a "community" I guess. In the first game, I didn't know anyone so there wasn't anything to do but get down to business. I am also in a lighter mood because my move is finished (whereas it was in-progress during the first game, and I was busy unpacking all the time during the second game) and because my birthday is this weekend. w00t! Don't kill me on my birthday, you dicks! 
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On September 05 2015 11:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:36 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 11:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 10:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 10:39 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 10:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:27 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 10:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:12 GlowingBear wrote:
You don't think is reasonable to call you Mafia for displaying bad arguments in thread, at least in my POV?
Also, consider I'm town. I'm having very different reads from you. I think Moosy doosy is Mafia and I really don't understand how can you town read him.
Do you understand why I think Moosy doosy is Mafia? I am sorry if you think that way but i have displayed zero bad arguments in thread. My arguments on yamato and Slam are in fact really fucking good. My argument on noobking is also good. You are (probably unintentionally) misrepresenting my "argument" on Breshke. So please go back and read what i answered to Moosy. You know i tend to use certainties, if i say "zero reason" it does in fact mean "zero reason in my opinion (at this point)". I push people to contribute, and i pressure them, that's why i use such wording. You should know it, you have played with me enough. I don't undersntad why you think Moosy is mafia. Can you clarify? Or do i need to go read somethign again? Rayn, I'm actually not sure now because his latest posts have good content in them, but his early posting were all fluff and what you could say "post just to post". It's what Breshke did, multiplied. Read his filter and you'll see what I'm talking about. It is an attitude thing. I have played on VS where people tended to post nothing important on D1 before i started playing there. You can usually tell if people are just "hanging around" and most likely town, or mafia who try to say something even semi-game related. I thought that was what Breshke was doing (the latter), but i was probably wrong. I don't see anything wrong in Moosy's early posting. If you have something you feel like i should re-look in a different light please let me know. I understand what you were saying about Breshke. I just think that on early game you can't pick a single post and assume the guy is simply "posting just to post". But if you see the guy doing it in a series of posts, then this would be a hard evidence. Let me show you posts that I think illustrates this better: + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 09:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:01 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. I'm hating everything you post. Have you ever listend to Eminem - Guts Over Fear? He's definitely lost skill but I like his message better nowadays. On September 05 2015 08:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:01 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GlowingBear final anwer, are you claiming a vigilante or not? I am + Show Spoiler + can u be serious plzerino On September 05 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:9. like u can just scroll thru instead of asking miss. On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. On September 05 2015 08:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Eminem - No love
oldie but goodie On September 05 2015 08:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:42 CopCake wrote:
How exactly "rayn calmed down" when I got in?
Couldn't he just calmed down on his own? I was being a funny punny. Zebrahead is actually pretty good too tbh. I like "Falling Apart" the most. On September 05 2015 08:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:HI NOOBKING OMG I LOVE U On September 05 2015 08:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
n00bKing n00bKing. Just a question: Are you mafia? Like, the last post, especially. Why he asks that to noobking? What answer does he expect? mmm...I consider myself the best person in this game to read n00bKing rite now so i know what im doing sir. and everything else i've been doing actually does make sense too. btw have u listened to Eminem - Mockingbird? it's so sad but gr8 m8. kinda funny because the bird got its name for sounding like its mocking people when it's actually not. I don't like Eminem. What did you get from his answer then? im guessing this was the question. 1. eminem doesn't like u. 2. i already said this but n00bKing is town. he's acting like his town game rite now although it would help if u guys stopped antagonizing him. like don't worry he's probably working on a big case right now because that's what he does. he asks a bunch of questions then writes a big case. the reason why rayn probably doesn't know this is because he was in the game where n00bKing was scum and didn't do this. 3. also, the point of me asking him was to set a rapport. the biggest tell in n00bking's scum game is how he posts. he posts more friendly/has more rapport as a scum. however, what he did was respond and then got to business straight away. this leads me to believe him as a town as he focused straight away after acknowledging me. and it's natural for him to acknowledge me because i've been in all of his past games and we've done some good work together. Why can't noobking do point 3 as mafia? n00bking is one of those players that are really bad at faking things as mafia. it was my mistake to not realize it in retrospect but i've learned from that game.
I am actually asking because from what i remember it's not the thing of "being bad at faking stuff".
It's the thing of being unable to understand if the people who know something better (in this case other people - like me/yamato/slam here, or like Rels in the last game) say something there is probably something behind it.
Like if people who know certain people better than he does call them mafia/town, he is jsut incapable of even aknowledging the fact he could be wrong and the rest of the people are right (which btw goes against this):
The name of the game is for the Town players to work together, and create conditions where the Scum players cannot conceal themselves. With that goal in mind, everything rayn does is wrong.
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His filter before I pointed out that he was more friendly was all fluff and relative happiness. I'm not seeing any of that here which leads me to believe that he is town.
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Moosy i see a certain difference in his play (and in the last game) here and in his play on those games.
He as mafia picks a target and pushes it into oblivion.
He as town, well see my last post and turn it around. He actually listens to other people.
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On September 05 2015 11:32 CopCake wrote:
The fact he doesn't realize STUFF is pretty telling tho << talking about noobking.
I don't like this post either. It is not constructive to town.
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On September 05 2015 11:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
His filter before I pointed out that he was more friendly was all fluff and relative happiness. I'm not seeing any of that here which leads me to believe that he is town.
I do not consider being friendly / not friendly a tell.
Especially for a player who has played like three games, he would most likely be friendly regardless of alignment in his earlier games.
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Rayn soneji killed you in the other game.
I am laughing so hard.
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On September 05 2015 11:54 CopCake wrote:
Rayn soneji killed you in the other game.
I am laughing so hard.
OK I DON'T LIKE COPCAKE RITE NOW.
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No reasons, how cute.
This is like the third time you have been saying that shit.
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On September 05 2015 11:54 CopCake wrote:
Rayn soneji killed you in the other game.
I am laughing so hard.
well he is terrible at mafia.
It's like on TMF, i got vigshot by scum on D1, the obvious conclusion is "rayn shot himself therefore he is mafia".
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DMA but yeah this isn't really relevant rn because rayn is probably town and idk about cake but they can never be mafia together
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On September 05 2015 11:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Moosy i see a certain difference in his play (and in the last game) here and in his play on those games.
He as mafia picks a target and pushes it into oblivion.
He as town, well see my last post and turn it around. He actually listens to other people.
hm...this is a good point. i'll back off of n00bking for now and give him some space to respond.
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tell him he is just as bad as nordlending 
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On September 05 2015 11:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:tell him he is just as bad as nordlending
I like nord and he also died lol, killed by another town member.
Actually town killed 5 townies i am like oh fucking lord.
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On September 05 2015 11:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:tell him he is just as bad as nordlending
that was the most obvious attempt at pocketing. copcake is playing up the noob/buddy ante really hard rite now.
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