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I'm taking like a 15 minute more break. Then will be back. Please post thoughts in the meantime.
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On September 09 2015 06:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 06:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 09 2015 05:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
but u guys lynched him on D1 l0l. don't tell me u know what n00bKing does because I DO. And don't you fucking dare to pull this shit on me or anyone because you LITERALLY misread him 100% in the last game when like 50% of the townies alive correctly read him as scum. You are shit at reading him,. Your read on him is shit in this game. Your reads are shit. You are mafia. You die on D3. -shrugs- let's see who dies at the end of the game.
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I don't have more to say. scott is Mafia here. I was looking to see who scum read me or not and then posted my test case to see scott's reaction. He responded how Mafia would and spewed you town in the process.
His reads don't add up. I went from town to scum and you from scum to town. Other things like how he forgot how he read me. Also how he immediately finds it acceptable to think I would have been busing when he made a large post about how busing is not likely.
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On September 22 2015 04:18 scott31337 wrote:
I need to eat lunch as well. I'll be back.
I'll try my best when I get back - sorry Obs QT - It's Guardians all over again.
If this game is like Holy Guardians, then does that make me Onegu?
Seriously, this game is nothing like Holy Guardians. You guys solved in that game for GOOD reasons (to do with vote switching). This is just regular lylo. Also I'm not Onegu.
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On September 07 2015 06:53 scott31337 wrote:
N00b is putting in a lot of posting and got a slight move up, but like what rayn says - he's not pushing anyone - like he's waiting to see what happens - and that makes me worried - He looks worse than the rest in the game - still #2.
GB - I went over this already - #1 - voting him now
I think Copcake's town and am not seeing the reasoning for him.
GlowingBear (5): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, Fidei86
copcake (3): n00bking, moosydoosy, nocturnemage
n00bking (3): CopCake, boxerfred, Superbia
Alakaslam (1): Breshke
scott310337 (1): GlowingBear
the GB wagon looks pure and I think every one on him is town.
I remember you commenting on this before Fidei, that a mafia would not "confirm" so many townies.
Do you disagree with this now?
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Actually, it's very easy for Mafia to spew out town reads as they know alignments.
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On September 08 2015 09:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:My gigantic case on CopCake. I suggest you read all of it because every bit relates to each other which is important. 1. CopCake gets hung up over inconsequential details and attempts to blow them out of proportion. + Show Spoiler +Cop asks me this pointless question early on which is easily explained and gets hung up over it. Just because I’m able to notice that they’re good friends shows in no way that I’m Mafia. It’s NAI or just shows that I’m perceptive. On September 05 2015 09:46 CopCake wrote:
Sorry I am busy and how can Moosy be town?
Like he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived"
Like how the fuck does he has that kind of info that we get along extremely too well?
That's why I asked he says he was playing but he got it extremely right. My comment was a joke but she tries to make something out of it. On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. On September 05 2015 08:42 CopCake wrote:
How exactly "rayn calmed down" when I got in?
Couldn't he just calmed down on his own? 2. She continuously brings up points that were already addressed in an attempt to fill her arguments with filler. + Show Spoiler +Here I explain how I noticed rayn and her were good friends and she accepts it readily. On September 05 2015 09:51 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 09:46 CopCake wrote:
Sorry I am busy and how can Moosy be town?
Like he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived"
Like how the fuck does he has that kind of info that we get along extremely too well?
That's why I asked he says he was playing but he got it extremely right. um...ok. this is generally irrelevant imo but i'll answer. it's pretty obvious. first pre-game there are these golden posts: On August 31 2015 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure but i think i need to ask if i am allowed to "hydra" with Vivax from thursday -> in case i am alive, for obvious reasons.
Cake should be joining at least, idk when, i'll ask her when i get a chance. On September 02 2015 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
cakeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! these posts show that he's going to be nice around you. then when u enter the thread he stopped cursing immediately and started using smiley face emoticons. (  ) also, my post was in no way serious. i was just making a joke there while noting a possible association. Oh ok, that explains it, sorry. Then…I’m scum read for it again in this post of hers? On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote:
For the list so far that has been participating:
MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. My post about rayn calming down once CopCake joined was also more of a joke AND I still explained it for her benefit but she STILL brings it up in the very same post. On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote:
For the list so far that has been participating:
MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said “rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. I’ve already explained half her points but she brings them up again in order to make it look like her argument is compelling and has basis. In fact, she tries to stress it in her next post. On September 06 2015 06:12 CopCake wrote:
Omg i wrote the biggest post so far this round. 3. CopCake’s tone. Yes. Tone is part of this case. + Show Spoiler +Her tone is VERY anti-town. Rather than pressuring people, she attempts to demean them which creates a bad town atmosphere. The following posts serve no other purpose in the thread other than to create filler and belittle others. On September 05 2015 10:38 CopCake wrote:
someone is FROZEN On September 05 2015 10:55 CopCake wrote:
Ok, let me predict the next post of moosy
"lol bla bla bla i can't explain it"
"insert some eminem song and a joke haha town"
On September 05 2015 11:32 CopCake wrote:
The fact he doesn't realize STUFF is pretty telling tho << talking about noobking. On September 05 2015 11:57 CopCake wrote:
No reasons, how cute.
This is like the third time you have been saying that shit. If this was how she posts every time then I would accept it. After all, rayn has a very aggressive tone and isn’t afraid to push his weight around. HOWEVER, CopCake freely admits that her tone is fake. On September 05 2015 11:07 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 10:55 CopCake wrote:
Ok, let me predict the next post of moosy
"lol bla bla bla i can't explain it"
"insert some eminem song and a joke haha town"
nothing substantials. 1. seemed intent on misunderstanding wat i was saying early on 2. ur posts seem too intent on being nooby for my liking 3. u said ur not sheeping rayn, when ur sheeping him on n00bking. 4. in ur post on n00bking, u never came to a real conclusion, but now ur voting for him. 1.- This is a community in which only few people know me. Pretty few people know me and rayn get a long too well and love to play with each other. I missunderstood you and I say sorry. It's pretty ok for me to panic when someone knows details about me and just makes me wonder "how do they know this shit", it's obvious. 2.- I am not nooby, in fact I am bragging a lot. 3.- I am not sheeping rayn, he changed his vote to alakazam and i am on noobking, i even said he is frozen. 4.- Never came in a real conclusion? I didn't like he hasn't come and is fighting me when 5 min ago or less he was being pretty active, he got FROZEN, he doesn't have an answer. This game will be easy. If you go back and read her posts, they are clearly an act. She’s trying to seem confident and tries to throw her weight around and establish thread presence. These are all things Mafia would do to try and pull of mislynches. Here she’s creating bad town atmosphere with me and n00bKing in order to create the thread presence to lynch us. (btw, I didn’t fall for this although n00bKing sadly did) I don’t like to keep bringing this up, but this post just clearly outlines how she’s trying to create bad town atmosphere. On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote:
For the list so far that has been participating:
MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. Besides being full of filler as I already pointed out, this whole thing tries to make it look like I’m making little sense when I’ve already explained away half her arguments. I know I’m focusing a bit on the parts where she interacts with me, but the same goes for n00bKing. She’s trying to create easy mislynches on the the both of us especially since I associate myself so much with n00bKing who everyone is reading as Mafia. I’d also like people to look back carefully at my interaction with CopCake. I ALWAYS make the effort to respond calmly. I ALWAYS make the effort to explain why I’m doing what I’m doing and give reasons for my reads when she asks. But in return all she does is yell at me and get worked up over my calm answers. This is because she’s feeling the pressure from being pointed out as Mafia. A townie would calmly brush away the suspicion but she’s caught and attempts to clear the suspicion through yelling and making it seem like my answers are bad.
4. CopCake tries to pocket. + Show Spoiler +As we all know, rayn doesn’t pull his punches and he has big thread presence. It would make absolute sense for Mafia to cuddle up to him in order to be townread and defended by him. These posts just show that she’s trying to do this where she defends him (for bad reasons which I’ll get to) and tries to lynch the same person as him (for bad reasons which I’ll get to). On September 05 2015 10:21 CopCake wrote:
Besides when rayn is mafia he nip tick pretty shitty things and goes like "oh but i know this person, her tone is this etc" like when he got rsoultin in day 1 in one game.
When rayn uses more "tone reads and emotional reads" he tends to be mafia. On September 05 2015 11:09 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:06 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote:
look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer.
There IS no post where you say you consider rayn Town, much less give an explanation for why you would consider him Town. There is a post where you say "When rayn uses more 'tone reads and emotional reads' he tends to be mafia." And that could be taken as an insinuation that rayn could be Town....IF it weren't for the FACT that he's used tone reads or emotional reads in THIS game. Look at what he has said about how he determined the allegiances of Alakaslam and yamato. They are both "tonereads" at best, if not better described as "reads based on literally nothing at all." Then he goes bonkers over a little bit of nothing from both Breshke and GlowingBear, and nothing helps to create a poor Town atmosphere for catching Scum more than jumping at those sorts of inconsequential bits of nothing, and trying to turn them into major talking points. It distracts the Town from actually doing anything productive. He would later say "My arguments on yamato and Slam are in fact really fucking good" which is laugh-out-loud preposterous. Says he's 95% sure Alakaslam is Mafia and 98% sure that I am. Why would a TOWN player ever want to take up space in the thread spouting stupid crap like that? Even more useless (somehow?) are posts such as: "Like i am literally the towniest person in this game." There is never any reason for a Town player to say something like this. The name of the game is for the Town players to work together, and create conditions where the Scum players cannot conceal themselves. With that goal in mind, everything rayn does is wrong. Dude there's one thing that makes rayn PRETTY TOWNIE and a fucking OBVIOUS ONE. The whole thing when GB claimed. Pls. On September 05 2015 11:54 CopCake wrote:
Rayn soneji killed you in the other game.
I am laughing so hard. On September 05 2015 10:17 CopCake wrote:
I don't like noobking for this things:
> How he voted you
> Then he is like saying you are not using logic. To be fair yeah, sometimes YOU DON'T MAKE LOGIC but to SOME PEOPLE, to some of us we find your arguments pretty good but
but the BIG BUT IS
> it doesn't matter if you are going in circles or not making "sense" (which is subjective) when you put a lot of effort and are agressive asking is pretty much a big town lean of you so I don't know where he gets you might be mafia.
Besides it's pretty obvious for the way you took Glowing bear claim. On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote:
Eh ok.
Noobking
TALK TO ME
and tell me why rayn is mafia in YOUR EYES.
look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer.
I hope you understand that. 5. CopCake uses terrible reasoning and isn’t clearly reading the thread. + Show Spoiler +As promised, I’ll point out why her defense of rayn is so bad. First is this post: On September 05 2015 11:09 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:06 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote:
look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer.
There IS no post where you say you consider rayn Town, much less give an explanation for why you would consider him Town. There is a post where you say "When rayn uses more 'tone reads and emotional reads' he tends to be mafia." And that could be taken as an insinuation that rayn could be Town....IF it weren't for the FACT that he's used tone reads or emotional reads in THIS game. Look at what he has said about how he determined the allegiances of Alakaslam and yamato. They are both "tonereads" at best, if not better described as "reads based on literally nothing at all." Then he goes bonkers over a little bit of nothing from both Breshke and GlowingBear, and nothing helps to create a poor Town atmosphere for catching Scum more than jumping at those sorts of inconsequential bits of nothing, and trying to turn them into major talking points. It distracts the Town from actually doing anything productive. He would later say "My arguments on yamato and Slam are in fact really fucking good" which is laugh-out-loud preposterous. Says he's 95% sure Alakaslam is Mafia and 98% sure that I am. Why would a TOWN player ever want to take up space in the thread spouting stupid crap like that? Even more useless (somehow?) are posts such as: "Like i am literally the towniest person in this game." There is never any reason for a Town player to say something like this. The name of the game is for the Town players to work together, and create conditions where the Scum players cannot conceal themselves. With that goal in mind, everything rayn does is wrong. Dude there's one thing that makes rayn PRETTY TOWNIE and a fucking OBVIOUS ONE. The whole thing when GB claimed. Pls. This DOES NOT show rayn is town but in fact shows that he is Mafia. Mafia would try and get hung up over little details and blow them out of proportion to force a mislynch. The only reason why rayn would be read as town this early is meta: basically his eagerness to dive into the thread and his standard aggressive townie manner. CopCake’s arguments to vote n00bKing are terrible as well. This is her case against him: On September 05 2015 10:17 CopCake wrote:
I don't like noobking for this things:
> How he voted you
> Then he is like saying you are not using logic. To be fair yeah, sometimes YOU DON'T MAKE LOGIC but to SOME PEOPLE, to some of us we find your arguments pretty good but
but the BIG BUT IS
> it doesn't matter if you are going in circles or not making "sense" (which is subjective) when you put a lot of effort and are agressive asking is pretty much a big town lean of you so I don't know where he gets you might be mafia.
Besides it's pretty obvious for the way you took Glowing bear claim. Point 1 makes no sense. There have been some points stated against rayn (which I’ll go into in the next spoiler) but she brushes them aside. There is no reason to immediately say that rayn is town but she does so almost as if she has TMI. Point 2 makes less sense. It’s not even a point. “You sometimes don’t make logic to some people, but because you make logic to some people which is subjective, so you are town because you are aggressive.” She talks about two different things (logic and rayn’s aggressiveness) and…I’m sorry but I don’t even know. The part after the but makes no sense either. My head hurts trying to read this. Now she asks n00bKing why rayn’s Mafia which has been provided a BUNCH of times. Here’s her question: On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote:
Eh ok.
Noobking
TALK TO ME
and tell me why rayn is mafia in YOUR EYES.
look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer.
I hope you understand that. The points against rayn at that point in the game are as follows. 1. He was using meta reads for Alakaslam when he normally uses harder material. 2. He was using tone reads for yamato77 when he normally uses harder material. 3. He doesn’t seem to question his reads afterwards on both Alakaslam and yamato but easily gives way that Slam is probably town and continues to maintain that yamato is town with no question. 4. He blowed the GlowingBear claim out of proportion when it was a joke. The interesting thing is that CopCake says that rayn normally doesn’t use meta and town reads: On September 05 2015 10:21 CopCake wrote:
Besides when rayn is mafia he nip tick pretty shitty things and goes like "oh but i know this person, her tone is this etc" like when he got rsoultin in day 1 in one game.
When rayn uses more "tone reads and emotional reads" he tends to be mafia. But here he is CLEARLY doing that but she thinks that he’s town?? Meanwhile she reads both me AND n00bKing as scum for pointing this out. This is a DIRECT CONTRADICTION. This shows she’s not reading the thread and she’s trying hard to force a mislynch. Note that she doesn’t even follow up on this either even though BOTH of us have explained this. 6. She’s now hiding + Show Spoiler +Self-explanatory. Literally non-existent now. Speaks for itself. While rayn and Fidei are hammering at me about not posting a stance on the claims, she gets away with it? I think that rayn is too biased when it comes to her, but Fidei. Okay. Posting case now at Superbia’s request.
On September 08 2015 10:15 scott31337 wrote:
The case is okay - not great - Seems to be quite a bit of confirmation bias in it though.
What if I said that #4 feels more like that you know rayn is town?
Remember when I said this and when I read your case, this stuck out at me - that #4 you know Rayn is town from TMI.
Can you explain this for me?
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No, you're just a lot less tunnelled VE and I'm the innocent child. You are not Onegu.
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On September 22 2015 05:15 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:53 scott31337 wrote:
N00b is putting in a lot of posting and got a slight move up, but like what rayn says - he's not pushing anyone - like he's waiting to see what happens - and that makes me worried - He looks worse than the rest in the game - still #2.
GB - I went over this already - #1 - voting him now
I think Copcake's town and am not seeing the reasoning for him.
GlowingBear (5): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, Fidei86
copcake (3): n00bking, moosydoosy, nocturnemage
n00bking (3): CopCake, boxerfred, Superbia
Alakaslam (1): Breshke
scott310337 (1): GlowingBear
the GB wagon looks pure and I think every one on him is town. I remember you commenting on this before Fidei, that a mafia would not "confirm" so many townies. Do you disagree with this now?
Meh, the people on the town were me, Slam, you, and the two towniest players in the game. If you were bussing GB, it makes sense you'd try and take the credit for it.
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On September 22 2015 05:19 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 09:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:My gigantic case on CopCake. I suggest you read all of it because every bit relates to each other which is important. 1. CopCake gets hung up over inconsequential details and attempts to blow them out of proportion. + Show Spoiler +Cop asks me this pointless question early on which is easily explained and gets hung up over it. Just because I’m able to notice that they’re good friends shows in no way that I’m Mafia. It’s NAI or just shows that I’m perceptive. On September 05 2015 09:46 CopCake wrote:
Sorry I am busy and how can Moosy be town?
Like he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived"
Like how the fuck does he has that kind of info that we get along extremely too well?
That's why I asked he says he was playing but he got it extremely right. My comment was a joke but she tries to make something out of it. On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. On September 05 2015 08:42 CopCake wrote:
How exactly "rayn calmed down" when I got in?
Couldn't he just calmed down on his own? 2. She continuously brings up points that were already addressed in an attempt to fill her arguments with filler. + Show Spoiler +Here I explain how I noticed rayn and her were good friends and she accepts it readily. On September 05 2015 09:51 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 09:46 CopCake wrote:
Sorry I am busy and how can Moosy be town?
Like he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived"
Like how the fuck does he has that kind of info that we get along extremely too well?
That's why I asked he says he was playing but he got it extremely right. um...ok. this is generally irrelevant imo but i'll answer. it's pretty obvious. first pre-game there are these golden posts: On August 31 2015 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure but i think i need to ask if i am allowed to "hydra" with Vivax from thursday -> in case i am alive, for obvious reasons.
Cake should be joining at least, idk when, i'll ask her when i get a chance. On September 02 2015 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
cakeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! these posts show that he's going to be nice around you. then when u enter the thread he stopped cursing immediately and started using smiley face emoticons. ( ) also, my post was in no way serious. i was just making a joke there while noting a possible association. Oh ok, that explains it, sorry. Then…I’m scum read for it again in this post of hers? On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote:
For the list so far that has been participating:
MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. My post about rayn calming down once CopCake joined was also more of a joke AND I still explained it for her benefit but she STILL brings it up in the very same post. On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote:
For the list so far that has been participating:
MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said “rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. I’ve already explained half her points but she brings them up again in order to make it look like her argument is compelling and has basis. In fact, she tries to stress it in her next post. On September 06 2015 06:12 CopCake wrote:
Omg i wrote the biggest post so far this round. 3. CopCake’s tone. Yes. Tone is part of this case. + Show Spoiler +Her tone is VERY anti-town. Rather than pressuring people, she attempts to demean them which creates a bad town atmosphere. The following posts serve no other purpose in the thread other than to create filler and belittle others. On September 05 2015 10:38 CopCake wrote:
someone is FROZEN On September 05 2015 10:55 CopCake wrote:
Ok, let me predict the next post of moosy
"lol bla bla bla i can't explain it"
"insert some eminem song and a joke haha town"
On September 05 2015 11:32 CopCake wrote:
The fact he doesn't realize STUFF is pretty telling tho << talking about noobking. On September 05 2015 11:57 CopCake wrote:
No reasons, how cute.
This is like the third time you have been saying that shit. If this was how she posts every time then I would accept it. After all, rayn has a very aggressive tone and isn’t afraid to push his weight around. HOWEVER, CopCake freely admits that her tone is fake. On September 05 2015 11:07 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 10:55 CopCake wrote:
Ok, let me predict the next post of moosy
"lol bla bla bla i can't explain it"
"insert some eminem song and a joke haha town"
nothing substantials. 1. seemed intent on misunderstanding wat i was saying early on 2. ur posts seem too intent on being nooby for my liking 3. u said ur not sheeping rayn, when ur sheeping him on n00bking. 4. in ur post on n00bking, u never came to a real conclusion, but now ur voting for him. 1.- This is a community in which only few people know me. Pretty few people know me and rayn get a long too well and love to play with each other. I missunderstood you and I say sorry. It's pretty ok for me to panic when someone knows details about me and just makes me wonder "how do they know this shit", it's obvious. 2.- I am not nooby, in fact I am bragging a lot. 3.- I am not sheeping rayn, he changed his vote to alakazam and i am on noobking, i even said he is frozen. 4.- Never came in a real conclusion? I didn't like he hasn't come and is fighting me when 5 min ago or less he was being pretty active, he got FROZEN, he doesn't have an answer. This game will be easy. If you go back and read her posts, they are clearly an act. She’s trying to seem confident and tries to throw her weight around and establish thread presence. These are all things Mafia would do to try and pull of mislynches. Here she’s creating bad town atmosphere with me and n00bKing in order to create the thread presence to lynch us. (btw, I didn’t fall for this although n00bKing sadly did) I don’t like to keep bringing this up, but this post just clearly outlines how she’s trying to create bad town atmosphere. On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote:
For the list so far that has been participating:
MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. Besides being full of filler as I already pointed out, this whole thing tries to make it look like I’m making little sense when I’ve already explained away half her arguments. I know I’m focusing a bit on the parts where she interacts with me, but the same goes for n00bKing. She’s trying to create easy mislynches on the the both of us especially since I associate myself so much with n00bKing who everyone is reading as Mafia. I’d also like people to look back carefully at my interaction with CopCake. I ALWAYS make the effort to respond calmly. I ALWAYS make the effort to explain why I’m doing what I’m doing and give reasons for my reads when she asks. But in return all she does is yell at me and get worked up over my calm answers. This is because she’s feeling the pressure from being pointed out as Mafia. A townie would calmly brush away the suspicion but she’s caught and attempts to clear the suspicion through yelling and making it seem like my answers are bad.
4. CopCake tries to pocket. + Show Spoiler +As we all know, rayn doesn’t pull his punches and he has big thread presence. It would make absolute sense for Mafia to cuddle up to him in order to be townread and defended by him. These posts just show that she’s trying to do this where she defends him (for bad reasons which I’ll get to) and tries to lynch the same person as him (for bad reasons which I’ll get to). On September 05 2015 10:21 CopCake wrote:
Besides when rayn is mafia he nip tick pretty shitty things and goes like "oh but i know this person, her tone is this etc" like when he got rsoultin in day 1 in one game.
When rayn uses more "tone reads and emotional reads" he tends to be mafia. On September 05 2015 11:09 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:06 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote:
look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer.
There IS no post where you say you consider rayn Town, much less give an explanation for why you would consider him Town. There is a post where you say "When rayn uses more 'tone reads and emotional reads' he tends to be mafia." And that could be taken as an insinuation that rayn could be Town....IF it weren't for the FACT that he's used tone reads or emotional reads in THIS game. Look at what he has said about how he determined the allegiances of Alakaslam and yamato. They are both "tonereads" at best, if not better described as "reads based on literally nothing at all." Then he goes bonkers over a little bit of nothing from both Breshke and GlowingBear, and nothing helps to create a poor Town atmosphere for catching Scum more than jumping at those sorts of inconsequential bits of nothing, and trying to turn them into major talking points. It distracts the Town from actually doing anything productive. He would later say "My arguments on yamato and Slam are in fact really fucking good" which is laugh-out-loud preposterous. Says he's 95% sure Alakaslam is Mafia and 98% sure that I am. Why would a TOWN player ever want to take up space in the thread spouting stupid crap like that? Even more useless (somehow?) are posts such as: "Like i am literally the towniest person in this game." There is never any reason for a Town player to say something like this. The name of the game is for the Town players to work together, and create conditions where the Scum players cannot conceal themselves. With that goal in mind, everything rayn does is wrong. Dude there's one thing that makes rayn PRETTY TOWNIE and a fucking OBVIOUS ONE. The whole thing when GB claimed. Pls. On September 05 2015 11:54 CopCake wrote:
Rayn soneji killed you in the other game.
I am laughing so hard. On September 05 2015 10:17 CopCake wrote:
I don't like noobking for this things:
> How he voted you
> Then he is like saying you are not using logic. To be fair yeah, sometimes YOU DON'T MAKE LOGIC but to SOME PEOPLE, to some of us we find your arguments pretty good but
but the BIG BUT IS
> it doesn't matter if you are going in circles or not making "sense" (which is subjective) when you put a lot of effort and are agressive asking is pretty much a big town lean of you so I don't know where he gets you might be mafia.
Besides it's pretty obvious for the way you took Glowing bear claim. On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote:
Eh ok.
Noobking
TALK TO ME
and tell me why rayn is mafia in YOUR EYES.
look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer.
I hope you understand that. 5. CopCake uses terrible reasoning and isn’t clearly reading the thread. + Show Spoiler +As promised, I’ll point out why her defense of rayn is so bad. First is this post: On September 05 2015 11:09 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:06 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote:
look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer.
There IS no post where you say you consider rayn Town, much less give an explanation for why you would consider him Town. There is a post where you say "When rayn uses more 'tone reads and emotional reads' he tends to be mafia." And that could be taken as an insinuation that rayn could be Town....IF it weren't for the FACT that he's used tone reads or emotional reads in THIS game. Look at what he has said about how he determined the allegiances of Alakaslam and yamato. They are both "tonereads" at best, if not better described as "reads based on literally nothing at all." Then he goes bonkers over a little bit of nothing from both Breshke and GlowingBear, and nothing helps to create a poor Town atmosphere for catching Scum more than jumping at those sorts of inconsequential bits of nothing, and trying to turn them into major talking points. It distracts the Town from actually doing anything productive. He would later say "My arguments on yamato and Slam are in fact really fucking good" which is laugh-out-loud preposterous. Says he's 95% sure Alakaslam is Mafia and 98% sure that I am. Why would a TOWN player ever want to take up space in the thread spouting stupid crap like that? Even more useless (somehow?) are posts such as: "Like i am literally the towniest person in this game." There is never any reason for a Town player to say something like this. The name of the game is for the Town players to work together, and create conditions where the Scum players cannot conceal themselves. With that goal in mind, everything rayn does is wrong. Dude there's one thing that makes rayn PRETTY TOWNIE and a fucking OBVIOUS ONE. The whole thing when GB claimed. Pls. This DOES NOT show rayn is town but in fact shows that he is Mafia. Mafia would try and get hung up over little details and blow them out of proportion to force a mislynch. The only reason why rayn would be read as town this early is meta: basically his eagerness to dive into the thread and his standard aggressive townie manner. CopCake’s arguments to vote n00bKing are terrible as well. This is her case against him: On September 05 2015 10:17 CopCake wrote:
I don't like noobking for this things:
> How he voted you
> Then he is like saying you are not using logic. To be fair yeah, sometimes YOU DON'T MAKE LOGIC but to SOME PEOPLE, to some of us we find your arguments pretty good but
but the BIG BUT IS
> it doesn't matter if you are going in circles or not making "sense" (which is subjective) when you put a lot of effort and are agressive asking is pretty much a big town lean of you so I don't know where he gets you might be mafia.
Besides it's pretty obvious for the way you took Glowing bear claim. Point 1 makes no sense. There have been some points stated against rayn (which I’ll go into in the next spoiler) but she brushes them aside. There is no reason to immediately say that rayn is town but she does so almost as if she has TMI. Point 2 makes less sense. It’s not even a point. “You sometimes don’t make logic to some people, but because you make logic to some people which is subjective, so you are town because you are aggressive.” She talks about two different things (logic and rayn’s aggressiveness) and…I’m sorry but I don’t even know. The part after the but makes no sense either. My head hurts trying to read this. Now she asks n00bKing why rayn’s Mafia which has been provided a BUNCH of times. Here’s her question: On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote:
Eh ok.
Noobking
TALK TO ME
and tell me why rayn is mafia in YOUR EYES.
look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer.
I hope you understand that. The points against rayn at that point in the game are as follows. 1. He was using meta reads for Alakaslam when he normally uses harder material. 2. He was using tone reads for yamato77 when he normally uses harder material. 3. He doesn’t seem to question his reads afterwards on both Alakaslam and yamato but easily gives way that Slam is probably town and continues to maintain that yamato is town with no question. 4. He blowed the GlowingBear claim out of proportion when it was a joke. The interesting thing is that CopCake says that rayn normally doesn’t use meta and town reads: On September 05 2015 10:21 CopCake wrote:
Besides when rayn is mafia he nip tick pretty shitty things and goes like "oh but i know this person, her tone is this etc" like when he got rsoultin in day 1 in one game.
When rayn uses more "tone reads and emotional reads" he tends to be mafia. But here he is CLEARLY doing that but she thinks that he’s town?? Meanwhile she reads both me AND n00bKing as scum for pointing this out. This is a DIRECT CONTRADICTION. This shows she’s not reading the thread and she’s trying hard to force a mislynch. Note that she doesn’t even follow up on this either even though BOTH of us have explained this. 6. She’s now hiding + Show Spoiler +Self-explanatory. Literally non-existent now. Speaks for itself. While rayn and Fidei are hammering at me about not posting a stance on the claims, she gets away with it? I think that rayn is too biased when it comes to her, but Fidei. Okay. Posting case now at Superbia’s request.
Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 10:15 scott31337 wrote:
The case is okay - not great - Seems to be quite a bit of confirmation bias in it though.
What if I said that #4 feels more like that you know rayn is town? Remember when I said this and when I read your case, this stuck out at me - that #4 you know Rayn is town from TMI. Can you explain this for me?
I was actually one of the few people who questioned rayn at the start unlike CopCake and a lot of you. I determined he was town because of his standard brash manner and his picking up on small inconsistencies which is standard town metagame. Also because he answered my questions well and responded to the pressure I tried to put on him well enough.
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Also scott, like I'm pretty sure your big post on how busing is unlikely was an attempt to cover your own bus and CopCake's bus on GB.
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On September 22 2015 05:21 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 05:15 scott31337 wrote:On September 07 2015 06:53 scott31337 wrote:
N00b is putting in a lot of posting and got a slight move up, but like what rayn says - he's not pushing anyone - like he's waiting to see what happens - and that makes me worried - He looks worse than the rest in the game - still #2.
GB - I went over this already - #1 - voting him now
I think Copcake's town and am not seeing the reasoning for him.
GlowingBear (5): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, Fidei86
copcake (3): n00bking, moosydoosy, nocturnemage
n00bking (3): CopCake, boxerfred, Superbia
Alakaslam (1): Breshke
scott310337 (1): GlowingBear
the GB wagon looks pure and I think every one on him is town. I remember you commenting on this before Fidei, that a mafia would not "confirm" so many townies. Do you disagree with this now? Meh, the people on the town were me, Slam, you, and the two towniest players in the game. If you were bussing GB, it makes sense you'd try and take the credit for it.
*wagon, not town
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On September 22 2015 05:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also scott, like I'm pretty sure your big post on how busing is unlikely was an attempt to cover your own bus and CopCake's bus on GB.
Linkerino please?
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On September 22 2015 05:25 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 05:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also scott, like I'm pretty sure your big post on how busing is unlikely was an attempt to cover your own bus and CopCake's bus on GB. Linkerino please?
here ya go
On September 14 2015 02:19 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 01:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:scott, thoughts on this? On September 12 2015 21:50 Superbia wrote:
My problem at the moment is that both scott's and fidei's reads are logical fallacies. They read the "shitfight" as worthless and essentially both ignore boxerfred's town case on me without as much as a thought (like they literally do not refute it). To me this shows an adamant point of view coming in from n2. Let me ask you (scott+fidei) a question, have you ever asked yourself the question "what would town Superbia do during this day?"? No. Regardless of what I would do, you would be fine calling me mafia today:
I do something -> Superbia is struggling to get townread.
I do nothing -> Superbia has given up as mafia.
This is not how town should play. I am surprised by both that you are perfectly willing to call me mafia on n2 for no good reason (I'll explain below how mafia would act after GB's fake claim, and why this would potentially finger scott). Yet only scott has played a single game with me (iirc, and I was town). So you are both willing to hard call me mafia coming into n2 and not evaluate on d3 ("lolz this game is ez boiz"(. This could be town being ignorant and arrogant, but it's likely at least one of the two is mafia.
Let me explain to you how GB's claim influences mafia play:
When GB claims doctor at the end of d1. Mafia knows glowingbear dies the next day, and flips mafia. It is therefore incredibly likely that mafia will bus GB ASAP.
In fact, it makes it more likely that there was already a bus on GB (I'm actually leaning towards scott), or that slam was bussing GB (I have a townread on slam independent of his push on GB). Scott looks so fucking good after GB flips mafia, since he was on his dick since early d1 (so early that it reeks of TMI/bussing). In fact, GB even made an entire case on scott! (and granted, in GB's meta he has not made a case on his partner d1, but he has made a case on his partner when he was about to die, iirc). But I personally feel like the case was ill-timed (train was starting on GB).
Now, this is made all the more damning by the fact that scott seems absolutely fine to see this day play out with a lynch on me (fidei too, for that matter). Let me tell you this much: I'm unsure of breshke's alignment at this point, but if he flips green today or tomorrow, I know for a fact that there's at least one between fidei and scott (though this may remain true even if he flips red).
Honestly I don't believe we should kill scott today, but I think fidei is an excellent target.
tl;dr:
- Fidei never played with me (except voice).
- Fidei fine with not evaluating my play and being adamant on lynch on me for no good reason (should not have a good read on me).
- Fidei believes I am a strong player, if I am mafia my play would have been exceptionally weak (I would have bussed GB pre-flip, as any decent mafia player would do).
- Scott played with me once (I was town)
- Scott fine with not evaluating my play and being adamant on lynch on me for no good reason (should not have a good read on me).
- Distance between scott and GB does not mean scott is town.
- Mafia for sure bussed GB pre-flip. + Show Spoiler [Vote Count] +On September 13 2015 07:44 scott31337 wrote:Day 1 Votecount GlowingBear (7): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, Fidei86, CopCake, boxerfredcopcake (3): n00bking, moosydoosy, nocturnemage n00bking (1): Superbia Alakaslam (1): Breshkescott310337 (1): GlowingBearNot Voting (0): Currently, GlowingBear is fixin' to be jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes in . Please do not forget to vote.-Final Day 1- Final Day 1 Votecount n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam copcake (2): moosydoosy, nocturnemage GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bkingAlakaslam (1): Breshkescott31337 (1): CopCake Not Voting (0): Currently, n00bking was jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes.-Final Day 2- Day 2 Votecount GlowingBear (9): raynpelikoneet, Fidei86, scott31337, Breshke, NocturneMage, Alakaslam, boxerfred, CopCake, Superbia CopCake (1): MoosyDoosy raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBearNot Voting (0):In GlowingBear will be abandoned on the nearest moon with 9 votes. Please do not forget to vote. -Final Day 3- boxerfred (3): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337Superbia (3): Breshke, Fidei86, Alakaslam Fidei86 (1): Superbia MoosyDoosy (1): boxerfredscott31337 (1): CopCake Not Informing (0):So if what he says is true - Then Fidei, CopCake, or Slam is mafia bussing. Slam could've done the super phat bus from the beginning - I had a tinfoil about that a day ago, and changing up his play - It's not out of the realm. I think Fidei is town. Copcake? I'm honestly not sure - and this is vote #5 with 13 playing - Would they serious do this? I'm doubtful. I think bussing is overthought of - in all my games played - it hasn't happened. There were two I obs'ed (There in the database) that rayn was mafia and bussed starting D1 and bussed his teammmates. He was alive d4/d5 and people caught on why he wasn't dead yet, and lost. Damdred started bussing d2 his teammates- made it to LYLO with Yamato - and won... Beyond those two it's pretty rare - and I've been called out every game I'm in that I bussed also, and it's never happened (and I was town in all those too) I think it's suboptimal unless absolutely necessary. If anyone did, it was Slam - but that's still really tinfoil.
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He's redirecting all bus prospects on Slam who was town and not CopCake.
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On September 22 2015 04:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I don't have more to say. scott is Mafia here. I was looking to see who scum read me or not and then posted my test case to see scott's reaction. He responded how Mafia would and spewed you town in the process.
His reads don't add up. I went from town to scum and you from scum to town. Other things like how he forgot how he read me. Also how he immediately finds it acceptable to think I would have been busing when he made a large post about how busing is not likely.
It's 2-1 LYLO - you use the information in the thread to pull up information on what's scummy, what are the agendas of people, etc. I was in the dark until you killed Alakaslam - and now I see the light. I didn't come from Day 5 and play the tunnel game, or kept my reads static - I thought of what the mafia agenda was - and I reversed my read. Looking back, I should've waffled more (I knew what was going on in Guardians, and it could be my downfall here as well) - but it's only my second LYLO as town - I'll get experience and learn.
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srry guys but i have to go for about an hour and half. I've made it clear who Mafia is and I'm glad that I was able to be town savior starting with CopCake and now scott. see ya guys soon.
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