On September 14 2015 19:19 NocturneMage wrote:
It's a bad thing to say really regardless of alignment really.

I should be catching a break again in an hour, more diving when I do.

Meh, I sort of feel like if you're mafia, it's fine to say pretty much anything if you think it will help you achieve your wincon. It's why afterHimalayas I wasn't upset with HF for all the crap he gave me during the game - he was mafia and he was trying to throw everyone off. It's like, if Slam *is* mafia but we don't lynch him after saying this, then we're dumb town.

If he's town, however, that's when I have an issue with it.

Fidei86

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September 14 2015 11:46 GMT

#2801

On September 09 2015 07:12 Alakaslam wrote:

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On September 09 2015 06:59 CopCake wrote:

On September 09 2015 06:34 Fidei86 wrote:

On September 09 2015 06:21 NocturneMage wrote:
damn I lost my last post

gah

md, her top scumreads were you/nk/gb

I faulted her for her reads on you/slam/gb, the n00bking read was reasonable and so didn't cite it

it's possible she's mafia for pushing n00bking, would easily be able to take advantage of that but again at face value it's reasonable, I and plenty others saw fault with nk's gameplay to scumread or vote him

but yet again, this conflicts with her interactions with gb, again assuming gb flips scum

so therefore it's not reasonable to top read her now, not in your current world and not unless you think gb is flipping town

The thing is dude that yes, she did read GB as scum, but the mentions of him were pretty sparse, and she said on more than one occasion that she much preferred to lynch n00b or Moosy. I don't think she gets nearly as much town cred from her GB read as you are giving her.

The issue I have with Cake ... Well there are two.

1. She clearly has her own way of playing and of typing, and I personally find it quite difficult to follow. I just read her entire filter, and it's all so conversational and responsive that it's difficult to get a real sense of where she stands. It's not that this makes her Mafia, it means that my read on her is likely to be bad.

2. I'm kind of confused by her and Rayn having "ride or die" town reads on each other. I think Rayn is about to be exonerated by the GB flip, but cake came into the thread and straight away was convinced Rayn was town. I find that ... Suspicious. Like, you can be friends OOG, like me and HTS (<3) but we're never gonna give each other a free pass in Mafia. Yes, I have a Rayn town read- everyone does. But if you read Cake's filter, you'll see that a LOT of the posts are based on the premise that Rayn is town. If Rayn were to flip Mafia, her filter would be just awful. And that's the best reason to scum read her imo.

So yeah, I think Cake is a scum read for me now. i think before I was taken in by her conversational style, which seemed towny (see point 1 above).

The only reason I hate this read is that it probably makes Moosy town. But my read on Moosy is evolving in the same way as my read on n00b - his posts are too dumb to be Mafia.

Still, that leaves me with only Slam and Rayn as solid town reads, Moosy as 'probably dumb town' and a whole lot of null and cake as a very slight scum lean.

I already said why i town read rayn with scenarios where it is IMPOSSIBLE for him to be scum, like he would be gg next day if GB is an actual doctor.

And I was pretty sure yamato said I was town because it is my normal play style.

CC-
I was reading the nested quote, I have been townreading fidei.

I want to see if you can find what is scummy about it. That post is textbook scum.

Going back to this post is interesting. This is about five posts or so after Slam gave me a town read (which was unexplained). He scum reads me for my read on Cake, and then gloats with Cake in thread, but then he apparently immediately forgets this and moves on, even though I was seriously discussed as a lynch candidate day 3. He also doesn't ever really seem to form a read on Cake, but they chat at length about OOG stuff very happily. IDK, there is an argument there that they were overly familiar because they were also chatting in the mafia QT.

On the other hand there is the fact that Slam voted GB early (although for meh reasons) and didn't move off him until right at the end, after everyone else had. It could easily be that Slam just parked his vote early when he didn't think GB was a target (he wasn't until very late on), and then once the wagon formed realised that GB was dead anyway. It's not ... like a huge bus, but it would be kind of large. One of the reasons these last minute wagons get started is if there seems to be latent thread sentiment on someone, and Slam's early vote on GB definitely set that tone.

Anyway, I don't think much more work is required on the whole Superbia v Slam thing. I'd be pleased if it was Superbia, because that would make my earlier post at least half right. But I think it's more important for me to read scott and MD's filter, just to double check their town status. Provided it's not either of them, then it's easy for me to solve as either Superbia or Slam.

Fidei86

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September 14 2015 12:06 GMT

#2802

With his last post though, I don't see that we can really not vote Slam off tomorrow. Like, it's just an unforgiveable sin as town to ask to be voted off. It's just ... so bad. We have to assume that everyone who signed up to play the game wanted to play it all the way through, or otherwise would have asked the mods for a replacement. That means that, assuming Slam isn't just trying to ruin the game, that he's mafia trying to get cred for asking to be voted off for OOG reasons. Which is super dumb, but maybe he feels like the number of people sure it's him or Superbia means he has to try the yolo play and hope that we all think "well they haven't conceded, and would have done if they were mafia etc".

The other option that he's actually town and actually doesn't care. If that's true, we STILL have to vote him off, because we can't send someone who doesn't care to LYLO to make the decision ... we honestly might as well not have bothered putting all the work we have into this game if we're gonna trust it to essentially Slam's coinflip.

So, yeah. For me it's Cake, then Slam, then probably Superbia, although we still have bunch of time to get to the bottom of that, and it'll be LYLO anyway so we'll have to reconsider to some degree anyway.

Fidei86

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September 14 2015 12:08 GMT

#2803

But Slam, if you're town, please retract what you said earlier and try and help us win. It's really important.

This probably doesn't matter much to you, but if you don't help and you flip town, I'll lose all respect for you.

Fidei86

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September 14 2015 12:26 GMT

#2807

@MD Do you think it makes sense that scum Cake and Slam would banter about OOG stuff to the extent that they have? Slam has basically contributed nothing over the last day or so other than that. If it is them, I feel like they have played super sub-optimally.

Fidei86

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September 14 2015 13:14 GMT

#2810

Whoops, thanks for the voting reminder Tina.

Fidei86

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September 14 2015 13:15 GMT

#2811

##Vote: CopCake

Fidei86

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September 14 2015 13:27 GMT

#2812

Sorry Tt. But you should be honoured I confused you with Tina.

Fidei86

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September 14 2015 14:00 GMT

#2814

On September 14 2015 22:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:

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l0l rip tictock

#burial

Fidei86

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September 14 2015 15:24 GMT

#2817

IDK. From memory it came from the whole Bresh/Superbia/MD "argument", which I thought was pointless but from which Superbia seemed to draw lots of very important reads and conclusions (which, in my view, he never really actually gave, besides him not thinking Bresh and MD were mafia together).

I'll check this evening.

Fidei86

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September 14 2015 18:14 GMT

#2823

Mafia won't give up this close to LyLo and with both blues outed. I think it's most likely I end up with one or you/Scott and whichever of Slam/Superbia we lynch first. By that point I'll be able to solve, but only because I'll be the mislynch target.

They call me "Nostradamus".

Fidei86

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September 14 2015 18:15 GMT

#2824

*don't lynch first

Fidei86

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September 14 2015 18:17 GMT

#2825

I'm a little surprised that we haven't had a cop CC from Cake, but honestly it's probably not worth her bother. NM's town cred is way too high.

Fidei86

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September 14 2015 18:20 GMT

#2826

And I think we should lynch Slam first, for the reasons I said before (no coinflips in LYLO if he's town but can't be fucked, we win if he's Mafia).

Fidei86

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September 14 2015 18:50 GMT

#2831

On September 15 2015 03:28 Alakaslam wrote:

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Then ban me you shit

I just got that news; life happens

We all signed up to play this game, and some of us have literally spent hours and hours reading filters and making posts. It's a huge amount of effort, and it's really annoying to have someone just decided that they CBA to play any more. So I'm not going to apologise for calling you out. Because it's really annoying.

Fidei86

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September 14 2015 21:11 GMT

#2852

I'll be about till EOD NM, so if you have any questions before then then let me know.

Fidei86

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September 14 2015 21:13 GMT

#2853

Hmm, since EOD is tomorrow, I definitely will be. FML.

Fidei86

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September 14 2015 21:55 GMT

#2856

I liked it a lot. Superbia's reads on Cake have been pretty erratic, and not entirely justified. I mean, how could Cake be "inno child" in a game where she hasn't really done anything? Lots of people, including me, had tone town-reads on Cake at the start. But it's really weird that he started that tone read only after D1, which was the only day that Cake did anything anyway.

Fidei86

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September 15 2015 07:30 GMT

#2868

Where is Superbia anyway? Has he even posted recently?