TL Mafia LXXII: Gaiden 2 - Page 9

On August 28 2015 00:47 rsoultin wrote:
Eh rehashed and not that interesting the first time honestly

On August 27 2015 00:50 Vivax wrote:


First to tryhard, only one to miss the sarcasm, then proceeds to talk about something else anyway, and rsoultin doesn't mention this (Trfel whisperer?). Pretty out of line with the rest of the thread at that moment. I'm surprised nobody else picked up on this.



I do cause the last two times I remember him doing that were when he caught GB on D1 and as mafia in Titanic something.

In case I lack better options I'll sheep him and if he's wrong lynch him.

On August 27 2015 01:00 Vivax wrote:




What marv said until the last post:





Speaking about additional comments with no basis, Trfel makes it into the candidates for the D1 lynch.

On August 28 2015 00:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
That feeling when you're playing so damn good that everyone thinks you're mafia for it. Just saying, 1.5 year old meta is all but abandoned at this point. I totally get why VE'd think I'd be mafia--he played in nomination with me--but he'd also think I were mafia If i led the wagon on justice on scum. Also he may still be salty from 2 years ago in Noir Mini where I destroyed him (OK, he had me down as mafia, but nobody else did and we shot VE in the night ) as scum.

Marv is more mafia for calling me mafia. #omgus A player with good analytical skills like that is hinging on a tone / old meta read and I don't think I've played a game as scum with him in it before. And I'm like his top scumread besides JAT, who he was waffling on superhard before. I don't get it.

I still think Wave is mafia for not evaluating the game critically and letting Palmar do everything, it seems so textbook mafia. But he looks like he's been doing stuff since then, however mostly unrelated to figuring out JAT's alignment, which should be his number 1 priority as town. I actually agree with his point about KSC agreeing with the hopeless read, because the hopeless read is trash. The only problem is that I've been townreading KSC since ~a couple hours after I scumread him in my first post. But it's a matter of whether or not KSC actually agrees with the meta reasoning behind the read or not. He doesn't just agree because someone he admires said so, he agrees because he actually believes in a trash read.

Wave asked a question to JAT, something along the lines of: "did your read on me have anything to do with CC" and jat replied that it did not. However, JAT called my posts absolutely true and good. ???

On August 28 2015 01:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
Oh god the spampocalypse. I was not prepared for this. I'm going to go full blazinghand and use his RNG methods while I read the thread and then yolo it.

RNG being this (post's ID)Mod13 (0=decon, 1=wave, 2=vivax etc)

On August 27 2015 02:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Yes it does. Because it means that Trfel probs knew about the Palmarv bromance and felt that Palmar could have read marv based on those two posts. Either way, I'm getting tired of you just throwing things at everyone's posts with no purpose behind it. eh, I'll just sheep wave/rsoul.

##vote justanothertownie

On August 26 2015 11:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
whew, i thought DMLE Investigator was a role and started shitting my pants until I re-looked over the OP and saw it was VT in this game.

On August 26 2015 23:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I literally just sent him PM asking for filters in OP.

On August 28 2015 01:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:

idk im mafia and just trying to scrape by. They're actually both town and I'm trying to force 2 town lynches in a row. duh.

On August 28 2015 01:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:

idk it's just a feeling. look at the wagons and how people are reading the two. if we lynch one or the other, it's a potshot and splits the list making it easier to read.

On August 28 2015 01:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:

so ur townreading Trfel?

On August 28 2015 01:50 Palmar wrote:
Can someone go check if Vivax is mafia?

It's highly likely tbh.

On August 28 2015 01:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Who fucked up formatting.
JAT


So...a few of us established that this itself isn't the weirdest thing Trfel could have asked. At the very least some plausible explanations were offered, but JAT is having none of it and just deeptunnels based on this alone. I really would expect JAT as town to be more reasonable and consider other options than to tunnel in this way. I am aware he can be stubborn and have a stick where the sun don't shine at times, but he's not even necessarily being that way, just...oddly obstinate about something seemingly minor.


This looks like townJAT


This is one post JAT makes (and apparently Kelsier too) where I say something seemingly simple (to me at least) that they call me scummy for but marv very reasonably is able to point out the correct thought process/point I am trying to make. Can't tell if this is deliberate on either of their accounts because it's just weird. It's hard for me to tell from a non-biased point of view whether the points people are confused about SHOULD be things that anyone should EASILY be able to pick up on but they're being nitpicked 'cause scum or bad.

I think this would be indicative if I could remember whether or not this is something JAT normally does---I feel like it is so maybe it's not indicative? I know for someone like HF it's completely non-indicative because he does that shit all the time to everyone.

I should re-interate here that I think it's a little harder for me to read JAT this game because of the early pressure he's getting. Marv/rsoul made it very clear that they would have expected WAY more from him at this point were he town and I agree but I also think it's possible that JAT isn't just playing drama queen and playing up his stubbornness/anger to avoid doing stuff, but I truly do think JAT is a better player than to go 36h with only a weak push on Trfel to show for it.



Actually there IS a little more. Some stuff on CC, etc


A LOT of these appeals throughout. No likey.


Thought process is interesting but it really COULD just be town Trfel acting like this JAT immediately tosses it out.

(Side note, that post where marv tells JAT exactly what he wants to hear about everyone being idiots and stuff made me want to lynch JAT SO BADLY just to be able to read the salt from either alignment postgame in the obs QT)

I had the idea going into this that JAT was completely unreasonable and only did stuff when prodded a couple hours ago but that honestly seems to be untrue. I can't comfortably be rid of the fact that he could be scum simply based on Palmar's convictions and the couple bad things I see in here, coupled with the fact that JAT is overall a solid player and has done nothing in this game he couldn't have done as either alignment. I also don't like that he's latched onto me because he's obviously wrong but he seems to be increasingly reasonable about my play (which is sort of a trend given CC's recent post. Less so Kelsier because he keeps prodding me and I have no idea to what end) I think ultimately I continue to sheep my betters here whatever they decide on JAT but he's not clear scum by any means.

I think I might like a Hopeless lynch better

On August 28 2015 02:07 WaveofShadow wrote:

You obviously know nothing of my play.

On August 28 2015 02:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like...self analysis but why the fuck would I ever go back and do a huge analysis only to OPENLY admit I am still sheeping, SAME as I did earlier, and openly admit I have no good conclusions? It's just to shift blame to Palmar and make myself look 'good?' You think that post is in any way going to make me look good?

SO frustrating that people continue to hinge on 'wishy-washy' as some indicator of scum.

On August 28 2015 02:11 WaveofShadow wrote:

Ok, but is that something that I only do as scum? Enlighten me.