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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 27 2015 18:34 GMT
#1481
On August 28 2015 03:30 Palmar wrote:
I think CC is town but I don't have strong feelings about it.


Please give me your updated read on JAT, considering his most recent read posts.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
August 27 2015 18:35 GMT
#1482
On August 28 2015 03:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 03:25 deconduo wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:13 deconduo wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:05 deconduo wrote:
I'm pretty sure Kesier and Moosy are town. I like the cases against Hopeless and the trfel more than the one against JAT at the moment. I'm gonna read a bit more and make a decision.


so you would only lynch between hopeless and trefl?


At the moment yeah. The case against JAT just feels the same as the case against ruxxar in TSM.


I mean why do you like the case on hopeless anyway, because wave is pushing it? do you town read him?


Nope. Mainly because he lurked just as much in TSM and was scum there. Also this is pretty unforgivable:

On August 28 2015 01:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
Oh god the spampocalypse. I was not prepared for this. I'm going to go full blazinghand and use his RNG methods while I read the thread and then yolo it.

RNG being this (post's ID)Mod13 (0=decon, 1=wave, 2=vivax etc)


hmm ok, why do you like the trefl case?



More of a feeling than anything else, mainly from the back and forth between trfel and JAT. Though I'm reading VE's filter at the moment and find myself agreeing with most of what he says as well.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 18:43 GMT
#1483
On August 28 2015 03:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 03:22 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JAT for the record, me being inconsistent is playing to my town meta. Even though my old meta should be thrown out, Marv did note that I was all over the place as town.


can you explain the +1 you did for rsoultins post?


At the time I thought JAT was town for defending against Palmar, and Palmar was just had an extremely flimsy read on him. I agreed with what Rsoultin said about it being ridiculous that the only thing JAT had done was the Trfel thing, because leaning on that the entire game wont get him anywhere. Clearly, one needs more from a player to discern their alignment. That's why I pushed him later to give reads and be productive, because complaining to Palmar and sticking with the Trfel read isn't making me read him town.


ok that makes sense
Zerg for Life
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
August 27 2015 18:43 GMT
#1484
On August 28 2015 03:34 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to give kelsier a day pass based on nothing but filter length. VE also gets a day pass for being wrong and bad which is his town meta.

I actually forgot to mention how towny it is how VE opposed you so far.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
August 27 2015 18:45 GMT
#1485
And his Trfel push seems genuine too.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 18:48 GMT
#1486
On August 28 2015 01:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Who fucked up formatting.
JAT

Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 20:30 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 26 2015 20:26 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time:
On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote:
Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity.



VE made the point about marv playing like palmar and trefl was questioning him
plus marv was a point of contention so the question isn't really that strange.

Yes, it is. I have no idea what about this is interesting to Trfel when marv had posted exactly those posts at that time:
On August 26 2015 07:25 marvellosity wrote:
heya

On August 26 2015 08:50 marvellosity wrote:
this is delightful.

There is no way Trfel seriously expects Palmar to be able to make any kind of conclusion about marv based on this.

So...a few of us established that this itself isn't the weirdest thing Trfel could have asked. At the very least some plausible explanations were offered, but JAT is having none of it and just deeptunnels based on this alone. I really would expect JAT as town to be more reasonable and consider other options than to tunnel in this way. I am aware he can be stubborn and have a stick where the sun don't shine at times, but he's not even necessarily being that way, just...oddly obstinate about something seemingly minor.

Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 23:39 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:22 rsoultin wrote:
no it means the reason for your townread is bad, and if the reason for your townread is bad and there are reasons to think he's mafia you shouldn't be an rsoul and wait until the night before lylo to go oh shit i'm a numbnuts and now the guy who always wants to lynch me in lylo has to be convinced i'm just a numbnuts and not mafia and we should lynch the guy i was derping on @.@

He shouldn't townread me for that, true.
But please don't try to make it look like you have any real reason to think I am mafia because you really don't.

This looks like townJAT

Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 01:30 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right.

????????????
What is this shit?

This is one post JAT makes (and apparently Kelsier too) where I say something seemingly simple (to me at least) that they call me scummy for but marv very reasonably is able to point out the correct thought process/point I am trying to make. Can't tell if this is deliberate on either of their accounts because it's just weird. It's hard for me to tell from a non-biased point of view whether the points people are confused about SHOULD be things that anyone should EASILY be able to pick up on but they're being nitpicked 'cause scum or bad.

I think this would be indicative if I could remember whether or not this is something JAT normally does---I feel like it is so maybe it's not indicative? I know for someone like HF it's completely non-indicative because he does that shit all the time to everyone.

I should re-interate here that I think it's a little harder for me to read JAT this game because of the early pressure he's getting. Marv/rsoul made it very clear that they would have expected WAY more from him at this point were he town and I agree but I also think it's possible that JAT isn't just playing drama queen and playing up his stubbornness/anger to avoid doing stuff, but I truly do think JAT is a better player than to go 36h with only a weak push on Trfel to show for it.

Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:22 Palmar wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Well, I am leaving now. It is wednesday and wednesday night is pubquiz time. Maybe I will return for a short while later, maybe I won't. Can make any promises about tomorrows activity since it is my birthday.

When I return I will flat out ignore any further bullshit brought up against me unless I think it is alignment indicative.

Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little.

Explain exactly why you think CC is mafia.

He is a little too correct I think. Very very clean posts.


Actually there IS a little more. Some stuff on CC, etc

Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 08:09 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 08:07 marvellosity wrote:
no it was world championships i was referring to

but then this leads to another thought that i have to explain, and it's really not worth it but it doesn't matter enough :p

maybe i'll flick through russia today, but my thoughts about recent games with you as town are as above ^^

I do understand you're being tunnelled and that's difficult (as either alignment) which is why i'm not hardcore on you, because if you'd played this unproductively regarding reads/posts and you weren't under a lot of pressure, i'd think you were very very likely mafia

Whatever. Fact is I am not mafia and I trust you to see this at some point even thoughI will not have much time for this game. I would be very disappointed if you didn't because you are more or less the only player on this site who can read me.

A LOT of these appeals throughout. No likey.

Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 18:24 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 18:02 Trfel wrote:
And yes, I do? Because I'm obviously town?

And I have a very hard time believing this can be genuine. There is no way Trfel can think he was towny enough for Palmar to call him confirmed town when he did. This lacks any towny paranoia and feels like he just said it because he thought a townie should answer like this.

Thought process is interesting but it really COULD just be town Trfel acting like this JAT immediately tosses it out.

(Side note, that post where marv tells JAT exactly what he wants to hear about everyone being idiots and stuff made me want to lynch JAT SO BADLY just to be able to read the salt from either alignment postgame in the obs QT)

I had the idea going into this that JAT was completely unreasonable and only did stuff when prodded a couple hours ago but that honestly seems to be untrue. I can't comfortably be rid of the fact that he could be scum simply based on Palmar's convictions and the couple bad things I see in here, coupled with the fact that JAT is overall a solid player and has done nothing in this game he couldn't have done as either alignment. I also don't like that he's latched onto me because he's obviously wrong but he seems to be increasingly reasonable about my play (which is sort of a trend given CC's recent post. Less so Kelsier because he keeps prodding me and I have no idea to what end) I think ultimately I continue to sheep my betters here whatever they decide on JAT but he's not clear scum by any means.

I think I might like a Hopeless lynch better


wave i'm actually not trying to annoy you i'm just trying to figure out what you are saying..

in this analysis you did what about it makes JAT town to you? just the one post that says this is town JAT?
the rest looks like reasons to call him scum.
Zerg for Life
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 27 2015 18:49 GMT
#1487
On August 28 2015 03:45 justanothertownie wrote:
And his Trfel push seems genuine too.

Genuine and wrong
Computer says mafia
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 27 2015 18:53 GMT
#1488
I changed my mind.

##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
August 27 2015 18:54 GMT
#1489
Hopeless

We should probably lynch this guy because this is unacceptable.
On August 28 2015 01:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
Oh god the spampocalypse. I was not prepared for this. I'm going to go full blazinghand and use his RNG methods while I read the thread and then yolo it.

RNG being this (post's ID)Mod13 (0=decon, 1=wave, 2=vivax etc)

He needs to die on policy AND because this is not his townplay which while lurky is always somewhat reasonable. He blatantly does not give a fuck about this game which indicates that he rolled mafia.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
August 27 2015 18:54 GMT
#1490
Vote Count


justanothertownie (5): Palmar, Rsoultin, WaveofShadow, MoosyDoosy, Marvellosity
WaveofShadow (2): KelsierSC
Vivax (2): Mr. Cheesecake, Trfel
Trfel (2): justanothertownie, VisceraEyes
Mr. Cheesecake (1): Hopeless1der

Not Voting (3): Vivax, Boxerfred, Deconduo

Currently, justanothertownie is set to be lynched. Day ends at Thursday, Aug 27 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

Voting is mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
August 27 2015 18:56 GMT
#1491
BF

Not enough data. Does not make the donotlynch list but would basically be a policy lynch.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
August 27 2015 18:57 GMT
#1492
Gentle reminder that casting a vote and making at least 2 posts are both mandatory.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
August 27 2015 19:05 GMT
#1493
Trfel


I basically have said everything there is to say about him.

The palmar/marv still thing is still weird filler that is scummy. He still pushed a no poster for no reason. Even if hopeless should be lynched and flips scum I do not think that it would make Trfel town.
Has problems detecting jokes/sarcasm all game. Nonsensical read on me that I pointed out.

No list for him.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
August 27 2015 19:08 GMT
#1494
Deconduo

Has just recently started playing the game and is in my experience a really bad lurker as town. I don't think I ever saw his scumgame.

Not enough data/would be a policy lynch.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
August 27 2015 19:10 GMT
#1495
Which makes the list:

Won't be lynched tier:

Palmar
Marv
rsoultin
VE
Moosy
Kelsier

Policy lynch tier:

deconduo
BF

Actual lynchpool:

Vivax
CC
Trfel
Hopeless

In no particular order.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
August 27 2015 19:11 GMT
#1496
Oh, missed WoS in the lynchpool.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
August 27 2015 19:12 GMT
#1497
Now I am going to fetch something to eat and people can feel free to chime in on this.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
August 27 2015 19:17 GMT
#1498
##vote justanothertownie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
August 27 2015 19:18 GMT
#1499
Ok...
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
August 27 2015 19:21 GMT
#1500
On August 28 2015 04:17 boxerfred wrote:
##vote justanothertownie

^
You should probably justify this soon. At this point I have produced by far the most content in this game.
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