TL Mafia LXXII: Gaiden 2 - Page 75

On August 28 2015 03:30 Palmar wrote:
I think CC is town but I don't have strong feelings about it.

On August 28 2015 03:26 KelsierSC wrote:


hmm ok, why do you like the trefl case?

On August 28 2015 03:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


At the time I thought JAT was town for defending against Palmar, and Palmar was just had an extremely flimsy read on him. I agreed with what Rsoultin said about it being ridiculous that the only thing JAT had done was the Trfel thing, because leaning on that the entire game wont get him anywhere. Clearly, one needs more from a player to discern their alignment. That's why I pushed him later to give reads and be productive, because complaining to Palmar and sticking with the Trfel read isn't making me read him town.

On August 28 2015 03:34 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to give kelsier a day pass based on nothing but filter length. VE also gets a day pass for being wrong and bad which is his town meta.

On August 28 2015 01:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Who fucked up formatting.
JAT


So...a few of us established that this itself isn't the weirdest thing Trfel could have asked. At the very least some plausible explanations were offered, but JAT is having none of it and just deeptunnels based on this alone. I really would expect JAT as town to be more reasonable and consider other options than to tunnel in this way. I am aware he can be stubborn and have a stick where the sun don't shine at times, but he's not even necessarily being that way, just...oddly obstinate about something seemingly minor.


This looks like townJAT


This is one post JAT makes (and apparently Kelsier too) where I say something seemingly simple (to me at least) that they call me scummy for but marv very reasonably is able to point out the correct thought process/point I am trying to make. Can't tell if this is deliberate on either of their accounts because it's just weird. It's hard for me to tell from a non-biased point of view whether the points people are confused about SHOULD be things that anyone should EASILY be able to pick up on but they're being nitpicked 'cause scum or bad.

I think this would be indicative if I could remember whether or not this is something JAT normally does---I feel like it is so maybe it's not indicative? I know for someone like HF it's completely non-indicative because he does that shit all the time to everyone.

I should re-interate here that I think it's a little harder for me to read JAT this game because of the early pressure he's getting. Marv/rsoul made it very clear that they would have expected WAY more from him at this point were he town and I agree but I also think it's possible that JAT isn't just playing drama queen and playing up his stubbornness/anger to avoid doing stuff, but I truly do think JAT is a better player than to go 36h with only a weak push on Trfel to show for it.



Actually there IS a little more. Some stuff on CC, etc


A LOT of these appeals throughout. No likey.


Thought process is interesting but it really COULD just be town Trfel acting like this JAT immediately tosses it out.

(Side note, that post where marv tells JAT exactly what he wants to hear about everyone being idiots and stuff made me want to lynch JAT SO BADLY just to be able to read the salt from either alignment postgame in the obs QT)

I had the idea going into this that JAT was completely unreasonable and only did stuff when prodded a couple hours ago but that honestly seems to be untrue. I can't comfortably be rid of the fact that he could be scum simply based on Palmar's convictions and the couple bad things I see in here, coupled with the fact that JAT is overall a solid player and has done nothing in this game he couldn't have done as either alignment. I also don't like that he's latched onto me because he's obviously wrong but he seems to be increasingly reasonable about my play (which is sort of a trend given CC's recent post. Less so Kelsier because he keeps prodding me and I have no idea to what end) I think ultimately I continue to sheep my betters here whatever they decide on JAT but he's not clear scum by any means.

I think I might like a Hopeless lynch better

On August 28 2015 03:45 justanothertownie wrote:
And his Trfel push seems genuine too.

On August 28 2015 01:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
Oh god the spampocalypse. I was not prepared for this. I'm going to go full blazinghand and use his RNG methods while I read the thread and then yolo it.

RNG being this (post's ID)Mod13 (0=decon, 1=wave, 2=vivax etc)