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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
August 27 2015 18:20 GMT
#1461
On August 28 2015 03:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 03:18 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Nobody is looking at Vivax right now.

I think you are wrong about that.


Why is Vivax town?

I made a post about him a while ago. It did not say he is town. I called him likely mafia after that too.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 27 2015 18:21 GMT
#1462
JAT for the record, me being inconsistent is playing to my town meta. Even though my old meta should be thrown out, Marv did note that I was all over the place as town.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 18:22 GMT
#1463
On August 28 2015 03:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JAT for the record, me being inconsistent is playing to my town meta. Even though my old meta should be thrown out, Marv did note that I was all over the place as town.


can you explain the +1 you did for rsoultins post?
Zerg for Life
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 27 2015 18:22 GMT
#1464
On August 28 2015 03:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 03:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:18 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Nobody is looking at Vivax right now.

I think you are wrong about that.


Why is Vivax town?

I made a post about him a while ago. It did not say he is town. I called him likely mafia after that too.


Oh, you were saying I was wrong about people not looking at Vivax, not Vivax's alignment.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 27 2015 18:23 GMT
#1465
On August 28 2015 03:15 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 03:07 Trfel wrote:
I'm still somewhat suspicious of VisceraEyes?

The fact that he completely dropped his read on WaveofShadow and now seems to be treating him as town, without saying anything, confuses me. Or am I missing something here?

He also didn't even address the points I brought up about him.

I like that he pushed his reads on Mr. Cheesecake and myself, but I don't think this makes him town.


hmm well VE gave reasons for dropping wave as mafia, so you are missing somethign yes
Please point it out to me, because I'm just not seeing it.

I don't care about VisceraEyes' points on me? I had a toneread on him, then I read his filter and found the things that I mentioned.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 18:24 GMT
#1466
On August 28 2015 03:23 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 03:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:07 Trfel wrote:
I'm still somewhat suspicious of VisceraEyes?

The fact that he completely dropped his read on WaveofShadow and now seems to be treating him as town, without saying anything, confuses me. Or am I missing something here?

He also didn't even address the points I brought up about him.

I like that he pushed his reads on Mr. Cheesecake and myself, but I don't think this makes him town.


hmm well VE gave reasons for dropping wave as mafia, so you are missing somethign yes
Please point it out to me, because I'm just not seeing it.

I don't care about VisceraEyes' points on me? I had a toneread on him, then I read his filter and found the things that I mentioned.


this one

On August 27 2015 00:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay so I filtered Moosy, and the reason I thought he was one of the Wave pushers is because of the sheer number of times he mentions Wave's name, but it's in the context of "I want to hear from Wave" or "Game so hard w/o Wave" etc.

Based on this, I think it's actually more likely that Wave is town and Moosy is like, appealing to him or something. Trying to slip him in his pocket. Only problem with that is that he and Wave are like, TLLOLOTDT buddies, so it's not unreasonable to think that he's doing this as town....I just get a really bad feeling off Moosy.

The flip on marv. Ummmmmm.....I can see that from a mafia perspective. Especially if he's not super aware of Marv's meta, maybe his partners were like "WHOA BUDDY, BETTER TURN THAT SHIT AROUND" after he posted about lynching marv. Marv's right though, in a vacuum it seems townie.

Eeehhhhhhh....I like it better than an AFK Wave vote anyway. Certainly better than a JAT vote.

##Unvote
##Vote: MoosyDoosy


then he made a post about CC aswell.

Your explanation is cool though
Zerg for Life
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 27 2015 18:25 GMT
#1467
On August 28 2015 03:22 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 03:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JAT for the record, me being inconsistent is playing to my town meta. Even though my old meta should be thrown out, Marv did note that I was all over the place as town.


can you explain the +1 you did for rsoultins post?


At the time I thought JAT was town for defending against Palmar, and Palmar was just had an extremely flimsy read on him. I agreed with what Rsoultin said about it being ridiculous that the only thing JAT had done was the Trfel thing, because leaning on that the entire game wont get him anywhere. Clearly, one needs more from a player to discern their alignment. That's why I pushed him later to give reads and be productive, because complaining to Palmar and sticking with the Trfel read isn't making me read him town.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
August 27 2015 18:25 GMT
#1468
On August 28 2015 03:16 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 03:13 deconduo wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:05 deconduo wrote:
I'm pretty sure Kesier and Moosy are town. I like the cases against Hopeless and the trfel more than the one against JAT at the moment. I'm gonna read a bit more and make a decision.


so you would only lynch between hopeless and trefl?


At the moment yeah. The case against JAT just feels the same as the case against ruxxar in TSM.


I mean why do you like the case on hopeless anyway, because wave is pushing it? do you town read him?


Nope. Mainly because he lurked just as much in TSM and was scum there. Also this is pretty unforgivable:

On August 28 2015 01:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
Oh god the spampocalypse. I was not prepared for this. I'm going to go full blazinghand and use his RNG methods while I read the thread and then yolo it.

RNG being this (post's ID)Mod13 (0=decon, 1=wave, 2=vivax etc)
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
August 27 2015 18:26 GMT
#1469
VE

Disclaimer: I always have trouble reading VE. He is one of the people that look the same to me regardless of alignment in many games.
HOWEVER I think he has been towny enough this game.

The things that I did NOT like are the thing where he talked about marv/palmar which was kinda weird but I don't really know if that is even scummy and I don't get how he can townread me like this:
On August 26 2015 23:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 23:19 rsoultin wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whoawhoa, I'm asleep for like 6 hours and already people are saying things like "I think JAT is mafia"?

I hope that's a joke :/


i expect

"you're so amazing"
"what can i do to be like you?"
"here let me give you a cookie"

when/if jat flips scum this game

^^

is this just a general protest or an actual townread on the un-townreadable?

The last thing I read from him last night was his protesting you townreading me and Wave for throwing scum on marv, which I found to be extraordinarily townie at the time. He might have done something since, I'm reading now, but that's where that comes from.

I don't think the post in question was particularly towny at all. In general he seems to read me pretty well this game despite me having fooled him pretty hard as mafia in the past which makes me somewhat raise my eyebrows but on the other hand maybe he just has a good read :/

His general demeanour has been really towny though and there are a few posts like this one to be found in his filter that I think are really towny and good:
On August 27 2015 00:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 00:01 Palmar wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Meh I think JAT is town and Palmar can lick a [redacted] lamppost in wintertime.

WHO IS MAFIA THEN EINSTEIN?

I kinda like the Wave sentiment. FMP, the people hanging in the background not taking a side on the issue are the suspicious ones with regard to the whole JAT thing.


So he makes the list.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 18:26 GMT
#1470
On August 28 2015 03:25 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 03:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:13 deconduo wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:05 deconduo wrote:
I'm pretty sure Kesier and Moosy are town. I like the cases against Hopeless and the trfel more than the one against JAT at the moment. I'm gonna read a bit more and make a decision.


so you would only lynch between hopeless and trefl?


At the moment yeah. The case against JAT just feels the same as the case against ruxxar in TSM.


I mean why do you like the case on hopeless anyway, because wave is pushing it? do you town read him?


Nope. Mainly because he lurked just as much in TSM and was scum there. Also this is pretty unforgivable:

Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 01:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
Oh god the spampocalypse. I was not prepared for this. I'm going to go full blazinghand and use his RNG methods while I read the thread and then yolo it.

RNG being this (post's ID)Mod13 (0=decon, 1=wave, 2=vivax etc)


hmm ok, why do you like the trefl case?

Zerg for Life
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 27 2015 18:26 GMT
#1471
Shenanigans lynch Vivax boys

##Vote: Vivax
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
August 27 2015 18:27 GMT
#1472
Break time once again.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 27 2015 18:28 GMT
#1473
On August 28 2015 03:24 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 03:23 Trfel wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:07 Trfel wrote:
I'm still somewhat suspicious of VisceraEyes?

The fact that he completely dropped his read on WaveofShadow and now seems to be treating him as town, without saying anything, confuses me. Or am I missing something here?

He also didn't even address the points I brought up about him.

I like that he pushed his reads on Mr. Cheesecake and myself, but I don't think this makes him town.


hmm well VE gave reasons for dropping wave as mafia, so you are missing somethign yes
Please point it out to me, because I'm just not seeing it.

I don't care about VisceraEyes' points on me? I had a toneread on him, then I read his filter and found the things that I mentioned.


this one

Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 00:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay so I filtered Moosy, and the reason I thought he was one of the Wave pushers is because of the sheer number of times he mentions Wave's name, but it's in the context of "I want to hear from Wave" or "Game so hard w/o Wave" etc.

Based on this, I think it's actually more likely that Wave is town and Moosy is like, appealing to him or something. Trying to slip him in his pocket. Only problem with that is that he and Wave are like, TLLOLOTDT buddies, so it's not unreasonable to think that he's doing this as town....I just get a really bad feeling off Moosy.

The flip on marv. Ummmmmm.....I can see that from a mafia perspective. Especially if he's not super aware of Marv's meta, maybe his partners were like "WHOA BUDDY, BETTER TURN THAT SHIT AROUND" after he posted about lynching marv. Marv's right though, in a vacuum it seems townie.

Eeehhhhhhh....I like it better than an AFK Wave vote anyway. Certainly better than a JAT vote.

##Unvote
##Vote: MoosyDoosy


then he made a post about CC aswell.

Your explanation is cool though
This is exactly my point. His read didn't change because of what WaveofShadow did, it mostly changed because of (terrible) unflipped associations with other people. Even when he takes back his read on MoosyDoosy, he doesn't mention WaveofShadow.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 27 2015 18:29 GMT
#1474
On August 28 2015 03:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shenanigans lynch Vivax boys

##Vote: Vivax
Hm, okay.

##vote Vivax
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 18:30 GMT
#1475
On August 28 2015 03:28 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 03:24 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:23 Trfel wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:07 Trfel wrote:
I'm still somewhat suspicious of VisceraEyes?

The fact that he completely dropped his read on WaveofShadow and now seems to be treating him as town, without saying anything, confuses me. Or am I missing something here?

He also didn't even address the points I brought up about him.

I like that he pushed his reads on Mr. Cheesecake and myself, but I don't think this makes him town.


hmm well VE gave reasons for dropping wave as mafia, so you are missing somethign yes
Please point it out to me, because I'm just not seeing it.

I don't care about VisceraEyes' points on me? I had a toneread on him, then I read his filter and found the things that I mentioned.


this one

On August 27 2015 00:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay so I filtered Moosy, and the reason I thought he was one of the Wave pushers is because of the sheer number of times he mentions Wave's name, but it's in the context of "I want to hear from Wave" or "Game so hard w/o Wave" etc.

Based on this, I think it's actually more likely that Wave is town and Moosy is like, appealing to him or something. Trying to slip him in his pocket. Only problem with that is that he and Wave are like, TLLOLOTDT buddies, so it's not unreasonable to think that he's doing this as town....I just get a really bad feeling off Moosy.

The flip on marv. Ummmmmm.....I can see that from a mafia perspective. Especially if he's not super aware of Marv's meta, maybe his partners were like "WHOA BUDDY, BETTER TURN THAT SHIT AROUND" after he posted about lynching marv. Marv's right though, in a vacuum it seems townie.

Eeehhhhhhh....I like it better than an AFK Wave vote anyway. Certainly better than a JAT vote.

##Unvote
##Vote: MoosyDoosy


then he made a post about CC aswell.

Your explanation is cool though
This is exactly my point. His read didn't change because of what WaveofShadow did, it mostly changed because of (terrible) unflipped associations with other people. Even when he takes back his read on MoosyDoosy, he doesn't mention WaveofShadow.


well he gives a reason that his vote on wave was an "AFK Wave vote" i'm guessing with wave not being AFK it is no longer relevant
Zerg for Life
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
August 27 2015 18:30 GMT
#1476
I think CC is town but I don't have strong feelings about it.
Computer says mafia
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 18:31 GMT
#1477
well wave won't answer my gorram questions
Zerg for Life
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 27 2015 18:32 GMT
#1478
On August 28 2015 03:30 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 03:28 Trfel wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:24 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:23 Trfel wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:07 Trfel wrote:
I'm still somewhat suspicious of VisceraEyes?

The fact that he completely dropped his read on WaveofShadow and now seems to be treating him as town, without saying anything, confuses me. Or am I missing something here?

He also didn't even address the points I brought up about him.

I like that he pushed his reads on Mr. Cheesecake and myself, but I don't think this makes him town.


hmm well VE gave reasons for dropping wave as mafia, so you are missing somethign yes
Please point it out to me, because I'm just not seeing it.

I don't care about VisceraEyes' points on me? I had a toneread on him, then I read his filter and found the things that I mentioned.


this one

On August 27 2015 00:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay so I filtered Moosy, and the reason I thought he was one of the Wave pushers is because of the sheer number of times he mentions Wave's name, but it's in the context of "I want to hear from Wave" or "Game so hard w/o Wave" etc.

Based on this, I think it's actually more likely that Wave is town and Moosy is like, appealing to him or something. Trying to slip him in his pocket. Only problem with that is that he and Wave are like, TLLOLOTDT buddies, so it's not unreasonable to think that he's doing this as town....I just get a really bad feeling off Moosy.

The flip on marv. Ummmmmm.....I can see that from a mafia perspective. Especially if he's not super aware of Marv's meta, maybe his partners were like "WHOA BUDDY, BETTER TURN THAT SHIT AROUND" after he posted about lynching marv. Marv's right though, in a vacuum it seems townie.

Eeehhhhhhh....I like it better than an AFK Wave vote anyway. Certainly better than a JAT vote.

##Unvote
##Vote: MoosyDoosy


then he made a post about CC aswell.

Your explanation is cool though
This is exactly my point. His read didn't change because of what WaveofShadow did, it mostly changed because of (terrible) unflipped associations with other people. Even when he takes back his read on MoosyDoosy, he doesn't mention WaveofShadow.


well he gives a reason that his vote on wave was an "AFK Wave vote" i'm guessing with wave not being AFK it is no longer relevant
I don't get the impression that you've read VisceraEyes' filter recently.

But I don't feel like explaining it now. Maybe later.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 18:33 GMT
#1479
On August 28 2015 03:32 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 03:30 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:28 Trfel wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:24 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:23 Trfel wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:07 Trfel wrote:
I'm still somewhat suspicious of VisceraEyes?

The fact that he completely dropped his read on WaveofShadow and now seems to be treating him as town, without saying anything, confuses me. Or am I missing something here?

He also didn't even address the points I brought up about him.

I like that he pushed his reads on Mr. Cheesecake and myself, but I don't think this makes him town.


hmm well VE gave reasons for dropping wave as mafia, so you are missing somethign yes
Please point it out to me, because I'm just not seeing it.

I don't care about VisceraEyes' points on me? I had a toneread on him, then I read his filter and found the things that I mentioned.


this one

On August 27 2015 00:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay so I filtered Moosy, and the reason I thought he was one of the Wave pushers is because of the sheer number of times he mentions Wave's name, but it's in the context of "I want to hear from Wave" or "Game so hard w/o Wave" etc.

Based on this, I think it's actually more likely that Wave is town and Moosy is like, appealing to him or something. Trying to slip him in his pocket. Only problem with that is that he and Wave are like, TLLOLOTDT buddies, so it's not unreasonable to think that he's doing this as town....I just get a really bad feeling off Moosy.

The flip on marv. Ummmmmm.....I can see that from a mafia perspective. Especially if he's not super aware of Marv's meta, maybe his partners were like "WHOA BUDDY, BETTER TURN THAT SHIT AROUND" after he posted about lynching marv. Marv's right though, in a vacuum it seems townie.

Eeehhhhhhh....I like it better than an AFK Wave vote anyway. Certainly better than a JAT vote.

##Unvote
##Vote: MoosyDoosy


then he made a post about CC aswell.

Your explanation is cool though
This is exactly my point. His read didn't change because of what WaveofShadow did, it mostly changed because of (terrible) unflipped associations with other people. Even when he takes back his read on MoosyDoosy, he doesn't mention WaveofShadow.


well he gives a reason that his vote on wave was an "AFK Wave vote" i'm guessing with wave not being AFK it is no longer relevant
I don't get the impression that you've read VisceraEyes' filter recently.

But I don't feel like explaining it now. Maybe later.


lol wat?

Zerg for Life
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
August 27 2015 18:34 GMT
#1480
I'm going to give kelsier a day pass based on nothing but filter length. VE also gets a day pass for being wrong and bad which is his town meta.
Computer says mafia
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