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On August 29 2015 06:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 06:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
These are all early day 1 reads, there is nothing concrete about them. I'm not saying that Rsoultin is absolutely town because she was excited at the beginning of the day. I'm not saying Palmar must be town because he townread Rsoultin early on. Jesus people, it's just how I interpreted the game early on to get a grasp on who was best to look at. If you don't like my reasoning for early reads when there are 5 pages in the game, I'm very sorry. I don't clean up my reads to look absolutely iron-clad logical from everyone's perspective. I have a unique point of view, and I may town/scum read people early for reasons that don't make complete sense to everyone. That's because I'm going with my gut as town, and gut-reads are typically just feelings. Not much else to go on early in the game.
Like, it's starting to get me angry that everyone is simultaneously scumreading me for "clean posts/TMI/to good to be town" while also stating that some of my thought processes are illogical. Those two can't go together, it's either one or the other. Because if I am adhering to my 2 yr old scum meta and having very clean posts, then I have very few flaws in my logic because I'm making up stuff that is believable. I'm town. I try to make what I'm thinking (no matter if it actually makes sense to you guys or not) visible, because I'm being truthful.
I'm clearly attempting to figure out the game through whatever avenues I can, and there is nothing more towny than that. I have never scumread you for TMI/clean posts. And the only thing I thought about your 2-year-old scum meta is that it is possible for you to be playing like this as either alignment. I should also note that in your 2-year-old scum meta you also got VERY angry by the end of that game because despite trying very hard there was nothing you could do.
I used to get very angry as town, too. There was this one game I had a redcheck on VE, but he was framed. Oh man.
Not saying you have scumread me for TMI/clean posts, but a lot of people have and are juxtaposing it with not being totally logical at all points.It makes no sense.
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On August 29 2015 06:16 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 06:12 rsoultin wrote:On August 29 2015 06:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
These are all early day 1 reads, there is nothing concrete about them. I'm not saying that Rsoultin is absolutely town because she was excited at the beginning of the day. I'm not saying Palmar must be town because he townread Rsoultin early on. Jesus people, it's just how I interpreted the game early on to get a grasp on who was best to look at. If you don't like my reasoning for early reads when there are 5 pages in the game, I'm very sorry. I don't clean up my reads to look absolutely iron-clad logical from everyone's perspective. I have a unique point of view, and I may town/scum read people early for reasons that don't make complete sense to everyone. That's because I'm going with my gut as town, and gut-reads are typically just feelings. Not much else to go on early in the game.
Like, it's starting to get me angry that everyone is simultaneously scumreading me for "clean posts/TMI/to good to be town" while also stating that some of my thought processes are illogical. Those two can't go together, it's either one or the other. Because if I am adhering to my 2 yr old scum meta and having very clean posts, then I have very few flaws in my logic because I'm making up stuff that is believable. I'm town. I try to make what I'm thinking (no matter if it actually makes sense to you guys or not) visible, because I'm being truthful.
I'm clearly attempting to figure out the game through whatever avenues I can, and there is nothing more towny than that. tldr you have no explanation. gotcha my problem is gut reads or not, the read progression is odd. i don't care when people demonstrate they don't think logically, but you don't seem to have that problem I think this is going in circles by now and only helps CC if he is mafia. His explanation for his reads is totally viable and fine. The actual problem is that he is giving all these easy townreads in the first place and not necessarily his reasoning.
Where is there no reasoning for my townreads early on? I don't necessarily believe in them any more (i.e. Palmar), I have clearly been giving my reasoning for townreading people since early on. You are actually lying.
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like, this entire argument has been about my REASON for townreading Palmar. What?!
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"The actual problem is that he is giving all these easy townreads in the first place and not necessarily his reasoning"
You are literally saying that I'm giving townreads, but I'm not giving the reasoning behind them. I said in my first post of the game that Palmar was town because he townread Rsoultin, and I said that Rsoultin was town because she was excited.
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On August 29 2015 06:24 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 06:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
"The actual problem is that he is giving all these easy townreads in the first place and not necessarily his reasoning"
You are literally saying that I'm giving townreads, but I'm not giving the reasoning behind them. I said in my first post of the game that Palmar was town because he townread Rsoultin, and I said that Rsoultin was town because she was excited. No, I am literally saying that the fact that you are giving out the townreads is the problem and not your reasoning for them.
Oh, I see. The game is statistically much more town than mafia day 1, it's far more likely that most of the people I encounter are just town. If I can round up a few guys that are more likely town, then I know who to look at by process of elimination.
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On August 29 2015 06:23 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 06:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
"The actual problem is that he is giving all these easy townreads in the first place and not necessarily his reasoning"
You are literally saying that I'm giving townreads, but I'm not giving the reasoning behind them. I said in my first post of the game that Palmar was town because he townread Rsoultin, and I said that Rsoultin was town because she was excited. Which brings you to what marv said.
And? I've already gone over this.
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The paranoia of the scumcake is setting in full force. You guys are going to need better accusations than unspecific gutreads and the whole too townie to be town thing, juxtaposed with slight incoherence in my reads. I'm confirmed town by the fact that everyone in the game has wanted to lynch me for bad reasons except for Kelsier, although by his most recent post you can tell he is going to vote me despite having townread me for the entire game.
Lynching Hopeless probably just leads to him being town because he's bad (aka BF lynch), and then we are even further behind in this game. If hopeless is mafia we likely need to lynch outside of him.
Palmar is playing outstandingly terrible and should be lynched before this game is over.
Kelsier might be mafia attempting to pocket me this entire game, or the only relatively sane townie in this game. His favoritism towards me makes it hard to read him. If I flip I sincerely hope people will reevaluate his intentions.
Of all the people that pushed on me (re: entire game), I think Vivax comes off looking the scummiest. His post about my Palmar read early in the day felt forced to post and it was very lame. I've been posting tons of content for people to read and he nitpicks about one of my reads that hasn't developed.
VE is yet another person who has sheeped the bad scumread on me, despite having me in his townlean circle last night and listing 4 other people as mafia. Somehow, I've become his number 1 scumread today for something I did earlier on day 1, BEFORE his reads post.
Moosy's gutread on me is still outstanding and bad, but tbh that probably just makes him town because he never even tried to justify it meaningfully, where mafia would at least come up with some excuse.
Trfel probably doesn't just say he thinks hopeless is town and we shouldn't lynch him as mafia. If hopeless is mafia, obviously that makes him look bad. If hopeless is town, then he should want to get him lynched.
so lynch into VE/vivax/palmar/kels
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I think Hopeless' biggest reason for wanting to lynch me is so his RNG vote day 1 will have been fulfilled, and if I'm mafia he will feel like coolest cat in thread. If this is true then Hopeless is certainly town lol
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A world with three scum between ve/vivax/palmsy/kels makes good sense too because I don't remember a decent amount of interaction between any of them other than some light shitposting between palmar and VE and palmar re: vivax.
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A vig claim + shot makes this game so much easier >.>
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On August 30 2015 08:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 08:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 30 2015 07:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Who's ruxxar? A guy who makes little to no sense as town but seems rather astute when he pulls Mafia. He is also an Oprah with his town reads early on in this game. Edit: He is also an Oprah with his town reads early on in the game when he is Mafia.
So because I am astute and had early town reads I am mafia?
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Well Trfel there are scum in this game and scum don't need reasons to townread people.
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On August 29 2015 21:35 Vivax wrote:Revisiting D1 I notice that the stuff around Trfel missing the sarcasm in BF's post provokes curious cause different reactions in the CC/Jat/me triad. CC hard townreads JAT. + Show Spoiler +On August 26 2015 22:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 22:13 marvellosity wrote:On August 26 2015 22:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Methinks the JAT is town. why Jat is town because he didn't just fall over to Palmar's pressure. He defended his position on the Trfel read and called it the most relevant thing in the thread. But the same thing with Trfel left him with a "back and forth" on him, while for both me and jat it felt like it appeared to have more weight than just that. On the other hand for me it didn't feel like that alone is a reason to TR jat. Same for him. But certainly I did find it noteworthy that we all noticed the same thing, with CC acting in the most different way. My main point remains the way CC says "Then Palmar is mafia" without following up on it, I still can't get over that. On top of it, he said that roughly 1 hour after Palmar put Trfel into the town pile. If I then assume CC's perspective, I see Palmar dismissing my point about Trfel, townreading him for reasons I don't know, scumreading my townread, and calling him mafia if the push is not fake. Why not do anything about this afterwards? The followup is a big post on Wave instead when I would expect way more suspicion on Palmar given the opposing opinions and the way he said he would be mafia for pushing Jat in case he's srs.
I dont even know what Vivax is saying in the first few sentences. His only point on me is that I call Palmar mafia and don't follow up on it. Idk what the stuff is about Trfel, he doesn't have to do much with this other than that there was a JAT read on Trfel. I don't think I ever said anything about Palmar's read on Trfel. I actually agreed with Palmar when he debunked my point on townreading JAT, but Vivax totally misses this and doesn't bring it up.
If the best Vivax has is that I didn't followup on the Palmar is mafia read, he's going to have to do way better especially when I agreed with Palmar on certain points after that post and began to want to lynch JAT if he didn't do anything. Because one finds other targets to pursue rather than one specific person does not make them mafia. It actually makes them more town for considering more than just one possibility.
This filter-going of mine from Vivax feels the most forced out of anyone scumreading me.
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On August 30 2015 09:32 Trfel wrote:
Mr. Cheesecake, how late are you staying up tonight?
Like 30 mins because I work tomorrow
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How anyone can honestly think I'm mafia is beyond me.
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Trfel you've got me for a little bit, what's on the mind?
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actually what do you think of Vivax's point on me?
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and another point for Vivax's "case" about why I haven't continued to pursue Palmar. It's impossible to know Palmar's intentions / how bad he is tunneling until day 2. Clearly at this point he is still tunneling, but at the time (early night 1) Vivax expects me to suddenly go ape shit on Palmar because of his incessant tunneling. He hasn't realized, but I've clearly scumread Palmar since after day 1 for his terrible play.
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On August 28 2015 02:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Also Palmar is playing very badly if he is town, he needs to reevaluate his top scumread pronto. If he comes to the same conclusion: fantastic, I just need the evidence he believes is noteworthy so I can actually read him town.
Did Vivax miss this post? I've been pledging for him to reevaluate JAT / update his scumread.
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