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marvellosity
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justanothertownie
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KelsierSC
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Town Rsoultin - Tone read and her attitude to the game feels towny to me, interactions with JAT, myself, Trefl etc. despite her best attempts she has been very reasonable. Marv - I like his interaction with palmar early in the day and the way his reads have progressed has felt town. Palmar - I was a bit skeptical of palmar because his play has been to just push JAT, but i've seen a few posts I like that make me think he's town. and his chats with marv. leads to Trefl - Same reasons as palmar I like a few of the posts. He was the first person to really dive into the game and question VE. Plus I agreed with his meta read on Hopeless. CC - I just really like to read when he writes it makes me tingle. In terms of his reads I agree with the point he raised initially about JAT, VE - I had a mindmeld with him about moosy early on, . I liked his concern about palmar/marv . overall just agreed with a lot of his thoughts. Scum Wave - This comes down to a few points. One is his reentry to the thread saying oh yeh JAT is mafia but I can't get a further read because palmar is pushing him, it feels like trying to absolve himself of rseponsibility if the lynch is bad. The second point is how he tries to point out that moosy is pocketing him. Moosy because pocketing efforts when I am the only one in this game he knows to be 'good.' I say 'good' because I have been SUPER on point in the last whole bunch of games I've played (as both alignments for once) and Moosy correctly realizes that I could be a threat based on that. he then wants to get moosy's thoughts and responds thusly. On August 27 2015 01:18 WaveofShadow wrote: I am interested in Moosy's thoughts now that I have arrived. On August 27 2015 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Like MAYBE I can see Moosy giving lynch wagon credit to rsoul. Maybe. But me? And since I've come back Moosy has asked me a few random questions that just seem really disjointed---like i don't get the feeling of why he needed me to come back in the first place so urgently. ok what did he make of all of moosy's actions? On August 27 2015 07:46 WaveofShadow wrote: I'll give proper thoughts later but as I recall he hasn't done that much since I asked, has he? which is not true at all, Moosy had posted like a whole other page of stuff including changing his vote and giving a list of reads, feel like wave should be more invested than that. overall it just feels like he is happy to lynch JAT without commital whilst throwing suspicion at moosy. Hopeless - CC and Trefl made the best points about this. I totally agree Vivax - I trust Rsoultin on this one, he has done absolutely nothing except ask a few weird questions nulls moosy - I don't see mafia moosy going "hey scum buddy wave help me out" but moosy has been very inconsistent however he has inserted himself into most points of the game and tried to question/give opinions...i generally have a low tolerance for inconsistincies and I think moosy may be... confused town if that makes sense. About JAT So the main thing about him right now is that he "hasn't done anything" well a couple of things here if you look through his filter you actually do see things, he didn't like wave and made points about him he didn't like trefl later on in teh day when trefl was completely missing sarcasm/jokes. he was pushing things. the apparent obstinance is because of palmar's fuck you you're mafia. I'd want to see more from JAT as things go on but I don't think he has been scummy. bf and decon - unaware of meta but AFK is shitty, i thought bf was a tryhard but...see what they do | ||
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marvellosity
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rsoultin
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cause fuck wave he can fool me and has but really it seemed to me like he got suspicious of moosy early for moosy relying on others (which i actually don't find that strange in anyone, especially new players, but i get the paranoia) and has been kinda...tunneled...on him since? i think wave's wrong but i don't know that that makes him scum? ksc mind quoting the stuff jat actually did? like i remember the stuff on truffle to some extent but i remember it from vivax i think maybe? i'm pretty sure it was vivax | ||
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rsoultin
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i dunnae i like your case though kelsier lol :/ my feels say he's town blah on the plus side case makes me think ksc is even more town so at least there's that <3 | ||
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VisceraEyes
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justanothertownie
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KelsierSC
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On August 27 2015 21:26 rsoultin wrote: lol i hesitate cause fuck wave he can fool me and has but really it seemed to me like he got suspicious of moosy early for moosy relying on others (which i actually don't find that strange in anyone, especially new players, but i get the paranoia) and has been kinda...tunneled...on him since? i think wave's wrong but i don't know that that makes him scum? ksc mind quoting the stuff jat actually did? like i remember the stuff on truffle to some extent but i remember it from vivax i think maybe? i'm pretty sure it was vivax stuff on wave On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push. On August 27 2015 01:04 justanothertownie wrote: Cool. So what is decent about the read? [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:30 justanothertownie wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote: For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right. /QUOTE] ???????????? What is this shit?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:10 justanothertownie wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:09 WaveofShadow wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:05 KelsierSC wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push.[/QUOTE] You're sweet. I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep. I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read.[/QUOTE] what is it that is good about it?[/QUOTE] I got some feels about it a little early on because I'm used to JAT being a fun-killer as town and wasn't getting any of that, and he was fairly forgettable early as well when he has no problem inserting himself into stuff. The fact that Palmar when ham super early makes it more difficult for ME to get a better read on him, but also the fact that Palmar is going ham on him so early is a good sign based on my recent experiences with town Palmar, so I am absolutely fine sheeping here. Certainly doesn't hurt that marv agrees and is 99.9% town. [/QUOTE] Where does marv agree? This is the most bullshit read on me I ever saw btw.[/QUOTE] stuff on trefl [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 08:10 justanothertownie wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote: Not sure if I want to lynch justanothertownie, but currently leaning towards no? Don't really have time to filter dive right now. I want to lynch Hopeless1der. ##vote Hopeless1der Leaning towards town on MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes.[/QUOTE] Explanation please. Why Hopeless? Why did you feel the need to include townreads on MD and VE?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 08:19 justanothertownie wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 08:16 Trfel wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 08:10 justanothertownie wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote: Not sure if I want to lynch justanothertownie, but currently leaning towards no? Don't really have time to filter dive right now. I want to lynch Hopeless1der. ##vote Hopeless1der Leaning towards town on MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes.[/QUOTE] Explanation please. Why Hopeless? Why did you feel the need to include townreads on MD and VE?[/QUOTE]Because I think that Hopeless1der has a fair chance of being mafia, and it's not something I need to read a lot of filters or think super critically about. Look at his filter and his last game and you'll see why. I also think that now is a good time to push this. I see no reason to wait. MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes were my tone reads that don't require filter dives and I'm not too worried about (I have a town tone read on WaveofShadow, but I'm more worried about him than the other two). Plus, there's been some discussion about MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes recently.[/QUOTE] Hopeless didn't even post yet. How could you possibly have any kind of read on him?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 17:41 justanothertownie wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 17:37 Trfel wrote: Vivax, do you find that post funny at all?[/QUOTE] If you cannot see that this is never a serious post I question not only your alignment but also your sanity.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 18:05 justanothertownie wrote: ##Vote: Trfel[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 18:19 justanothertownie wrote: Adding to the things I already DID say about Trfel: He clearly isn't reading and/or understanding my posts and comes to completely incorrect conclusions which alone is not a scumtell but he is pretty strongly indicating that he thinks I am mafia as a result of it. But he is too afraid to vote me. He votes the no post guy instead. He is not addressing the posts I made about him or CC directly but instead dismissing them entirely giving really weak reasoning for disagreeing with them. FOR EXAMPLE: He said I cannot say that CCs posts are too clean if I disagree with some of his reads. Well if he was actually willing to try and analyse the posts I made about CC he would have noticed that I am primarily talking about CCs read on myself. Yet that is something Trfel completely ignores in his whole analysis.[/QUOTE] | ||
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KelsierSC
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rsoultin
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lol i'll read it after class that hurts my head ciao folks | ||
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KelsierSC
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On August 27 2015 21:35 KelsierSC wrote: stuff on wave stuff on trefl | ||
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justanothertownie
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On August 27 2015 21:50 justanothertownie wrote: You missed a few posts and you missed my stuff on CC completely but yeah. i thought i was doing you a favour missing that out | ||
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marvellosity
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VisceraEyes
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On August 27 2015 04:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: This post makes Wave scum. Specifically, the text in bold. Wave comes back to the thread to see the popular scum-candidate JAT sitting on a wagon driven by Palmar. His read takes no consideration for JAT's actions this game. In fact, he says he respects Palmar's play enough on day 1 to sheep him without regard. Wave claims that he has gained some confidence in his play. If wave truly has gained confidence in his play (I.E. reads), then why is he letting Palmar, who may very well be mafia or just plain wrong about JAT, decide the lynch for him? Wave is blindly assuming that Palmar is town and correct without A) Assessing the lynch candidates motivations / actions and B) Looking at Palmar's push in and of itself. He doesn't even quote a post by Palmar and agree with the reasons. ##Vote: Wave JAT hits the nail on the head here. Wave's defense against this is basically "I'm better than this", which I find lazy. Regardless, Wave still fails to situate why he thinks Palmar's case is good. When Wave extrapolates upon how Palmar plays, he admits that Palmar's early reads are 'just 'cause' and may/may not be accurate. How can Wave seriously think JAT is his top scumread / top vote for the day if he: 1) Has not evaluated JAT's actions, or explained why Palmar's case is good 2) Knows that Palmar's early reads are often 'just cause' 3) Is not sure of Palmar's alignment? It makes no sense to me. Palmar may have caught Wave as scum day 1 in another game and he respects him, but this course of action is scummy regardless of how you package it. It's incredibly convenient if JAT flips town, and then Wave can take no responsibility for the lynch. All I want you to answer @WaveofShadow: Why is Palmar's case good. Not Rsoultin's, or anyone else's, but Palmar's case. What does Palmar say that is convincing and makes the case against JAT generate a "fairly decent read"? I don't really like this post about Wave by CC. I don't know if I think CC is mafia for it, but I'm closer than I was when I left which is not at all. I think what I don't like about it is that the whole thing, from the very first sentence on, speaks with absolution. This post /makes/ Wave mafia. If that's the case then what's the point of the question at the end at all? CC's mind is already made up on the matter, it just feels like it's thrown in there to "make the case complete" or whatever. Plus there's the whole "If CC LOOKS protown, CC is mafia" adage. I will give CC one thing though - Palmar's case on JAT /was/ unlikable. People agree with Palmar in that they don't like JAT, but as far as I know Palmar's reasoning for disliking JAT is his alone and the people who don't like JAT don't like him for their own reason. Except Wave. But does Wave saying that he likes Palmar's read /make/ Wave mafia? I'm not so sure. He could be town and just think Palmar is town and sheepworthy on D1. After all, Palmar /is/ known for good D1 reads, etc. Ultimately I'm going to say that I do NOT like this case and it has earned CC a trip to the top of my filter list once I catch up. I just wanted to get this out there because it seems pretty major compared with everything else I've read so far. Moving on. | ||
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marvellosity
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VisceraEyes
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VisceraEyes
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On August 27 2015 07:37 KelsierSC wrote: I don't buy the CC looks too good so he must be mafia. This is a thing. It's literally in his sig and he PLAYS around it AS mafia. Go read the QT from Nomination mafia (I think) where he mentions it several times after replacing in. | ||
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