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On September 01 2015 17:54 justanothertownie wrote:
If we are assuming that KSC will flip scum which I don't really know why we are doing it but ok - I guess it's not unlikely:
The masons need to survive 2 (!) nights until LYLO. That is awesome. If they manage to lynch 2 mafia before that they even become CONFIRMED. The absolute WORST play we could do right now is lynch into them unless we have really strong reason to disbelieve them which I do not see at all. We will NOT lynch Palmar or Trfel before LYLO. If they are real it is their duty to lynch scum or get shot before that.
Such wisdom
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I think the mafia team (and 1 is probably wrong)
is:
Vivax
KSC
VE
This is based on multiple things and I don't think I'm going to write too much about it.
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On September 01 2015 09:41 Vivax wrote:
This game is really starting to get me mad cause we could have resolved this mason bullshit on last day and now instead we're stuck with Trfel and Palmar and Trfel keeps trying to push a mislynch on me and noone still is sure whether their claim is true.
I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia).
On September 01 2015 09:41 Vivax wrote:
This game is really starting to get me mad cause we could have resolved this mason bullshit on last day
There is a logical error here by Vivax.
The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax.
So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this.
Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted.
I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here:
1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday.
2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true.
I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that:
a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED
b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY
This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then.
I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality.
I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today.
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On September 01 2015 18:54 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2015 18:53 Palmar wrote:
I think the mafia team (and 1 is probably wrong)
is:
Vivax
KSC
VE
This is based on multiple things and I don't think I'm going to write too much about it. Yes, you will. You said you would give solving this game a try and now you will follow through with this. If you and Trfel are town then we still have a good shot at this if you try.
yeah but I'm going to focus on the things I believe in.
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On September 01 2015 18:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2015 18:50 Palmar wrote:On September 01 2015 12:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
and not to mention that mafia had 2kp on n1, which is something not usually had in normal 13 player setups Wasn't this a 14 player setup? CC was confused. This is basically a 13 player setup because the additional townie is balanced by the additional nightkill night1.
yes, which means the 2kp is fairly normal and has no bearing to blue roles.
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can someone confirm/deny they understand what I'm saying about vivax?
It's incompatible that he believes the mason claimed could have been resolved (without flipping) and that he has doubts that it is true.
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Also I don't think CC is mafia
I don't know why and I may be wrong.
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On September 01 2015 21:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Today Palmar and Trfel need to find the mafia in there and I will sheep. They have at least a 50:50 chance of hitting randomly in the group of 4 (that's if deconduo was framed/is gf - if he is town then it is 75 %). If they do not manage to do this we have a problem and they suck.
Hey, you suck as well bro
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On September 01 2015 23:37 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2015 23:34 justanothertownie wrote:
I don't know but this way we can't catch him in a lie and it sucks. I find it highly suspicious how all those claims are coming now that the game is easy to solve if the masons are real. The masons were never real, they were never even believable. Palmar doesn't announce that he's a mason with someone on D1 the way he did on D1 with the Trfel Townread of Total Failure. Palmar fucking LYNCHES D1 claims, there's literally NO WAY as mason he as good as claims mason with Trfel on D1.
watch me
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On September 01 2015 21:46 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2015 21:40 Palmar wrote:On September 01 2015 21:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Today Palmar and Trfel need to find the mafia in there and I will sheep. They have at least a 50:50 chance of hitting randomly in the group of 4 (that's if deconduo was framed/is gf - if he is town then it is 75 %). If they do not manage to do this we have a problem and they suck. Hey, you suck as well bro Sure, but I know I am not mafia and you theoretically can be. If we win the game depends on if you manage to prove yourself if you are town.
Actually it doesn't.
I'm literally more worried we just keep lynching townies.
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VE if you're town (which seems unlikely at this point) go read what Trfel posted from the QT.
Look at my super cocky attitude regarding defending Trfel throughout the game.
You KNOW this is the most Palmar thing in the world. Like I'm genuinely being an asshole with the extra information I have. Hell, I derided you so much for it when I was forcing you to re-evaluate your reads.
Also, Marv died calling me town and defending me. That should count for something.
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I am 100% sure on this Vivax thing btw.
I am willing to make a deal where if I'm wrong I accept being lynched tomorrow.
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On September 02 2015 00:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Vivax needs to hardclaim and if he did visit jat.
See this is what's wrong about the VE/Vivax thing.
If VE is town and is unsure on Vivax, he claims the following:
"I am tracker and I tracked Vivax to someone last night".
If Vivax is hard-fakeclaiming (he's just a goon or godfather or something) this instantly catches him as he can't guess whom VE tracked him to.
There's ONLY upside to claiming it this way, there is no downside.
I don't know why VE didn't see think this.
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oh wait, I'm a moron.
he wouldn't have tracked him to anyone.
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I'm trying to think what this means.
This basically means that VE cannot be scum and Vivax town. Because Vivax would immediately call him out on it. The only possible options here are:
VE Scum, Vivax Scum
VE Town, Vivax Town
VE Town, Vivax Scum
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In any case, I think we lynch Vivax today.
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On September 02 2015 01:36 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2015 00:31 Palmar wrote:
VE if you're town (which seems unlikely at this point) go read what Trfel posted from the QT.
Look at my super cocky attitude regarding defending Trfel throughout the game.
You KNOW this is the most Palmar thing in the world. Like I'm genuinely being an asshole with the extra information I have. Hell, I derided you so much for it when I was forcing you to re-evaluate your reads.
Also, Marv died calling me town and defending me. That should count for something. "Plz VE, go read my painstakingly faked logs so they're good for something! I play like an asshole regardless of alignment but THIS game it makes me town! And lest we forget, I killed marv while he was reading me town!" Plz Palmar, you act like this is my first game or something. Also marv was starting to come around on you, so nice try.
Literally marv's last post about me before dying:
On August 29 2015 21:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 20:28 marvellosity wrote:
marvellosity
rsoultin
Palmar
Kelsier
Wave
Moosy
VE
Hopeless/BF/Vivax/deconduo
CC/jat
maybe something like this? Previous list actually missed Trfel off it last time, no-one seemed to notice marvellosity Palmar (i just think he's town tbh) deconduo (roll with the check) jat/moosy/ve/kelsier - I just don't know how to order these. I guess I might just have to, for the sake of ease, plump for jat being just town and not worry about it at all. But probably in one of the other 3 there is a mafia vivax trfel hopeless CC almost annoying that rsoultin retracted her townread on trfel, was hoping that slot was gonna be a gimme probably between the last 2 i guess. personally i wouldn't mind taking a punt and lynching CC, feels a little more ambitious. While i'd feel shitty if he were town and just genuinely playing a more straightforward game than of old, i just can't shake my feeling on him
I am his top town, like the only guy in the same group as me is his goddamn greencheck.
So no, he was not coming around on me.
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On September 02 2015 01:34 justanothertownie wrote:Is this some sort of elaborate scumclaim? Show nested quote +On September 02 2015 00:43 Palmar wrote:
In any case, I think we lynch Vivax today. Unless you believe in a world with 5 blue roles he should be confirmed mafia to you.
Yes.
I kinda didn't realize (ie put together the pieces) until you just mentioned this, but yes, he is confirmed mafia.
This now makes me feel like a boss for that Vivax case earlier.
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On September 02 2015 01:38 justanothertownie wrote:
Why are you so sure that Vivax is town and Palmar/Trfel mafia VE? From your perspective Vivax could absolutely be mafia.
Scumbros b4 hoes
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