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On August 29 2015 06:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 06:16 justanothertownie wrote:On August 29 2015 06:12 rsoultin wrote:On August 29 2015 06:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
These are all early day 1 reads, there is nothing concrete about them. I'm not saying that Rsoultin is absolutely town because she was excited at the beginning of the day. I'm not saying Palmar must be town because he townread Rsoultin early on. Jesus people, it's just how I interpreted the game early on to get a grasp on who was best to look at. If you don't like my reasoning for early reads when there are 5 pages in the game, I'm very sorry. I don't clean up my reads to look absolutely iron-clad logical from everyone's perspective. I have a unique point of view, and I may town/scum read people early for reasons that don't make complete sense to everyone. That's because I'm going with my gut as town, and gut-reads are typically just feelings. Not much else to go on early in the game.
Like, it's starting to get me angry that everyone is simultaneously scumreading me for "clean posts/TMI/to good to be town" while also stating that some of my thought processes are illogical. Those two can't go together, it's either one or the other. Because if I am adhering to my 2 yr old scum meta and having very clean posts, then I have very few flaws in my logic because I'm making up stuff that is believable. I'm town. I try to make what I'm thinking (no matter if it actually makes sense to you guys or not) visible, because I'm being truthful.
I'm clearly attempting to figure out the game through whatever avenues I can, and there is nothing more towny than that. tldr you have no explanation. gotcha my problem is gut reads or not, the read progression is odd. i don't care when people demonstrate they don't think logically, but you don't seem to have that problem I think this is going in circles by now and only helps CC if he is mafia. His explanation for his reads is totally viable and fine. The actual problem is that he is giving all these easy townreads in the first place and not necessarily his reasoning. Where is there no reasoning for my townreads early on? I don't necessarily believe in them any more (i.e. Palmar), I have clearly been giving my reasoning for townreading people since early on. You are actually lying.
You misread my post.
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On August 29 2015 06:20 KelsierSC wrote:
you ever consider that the reason I am asking you is because it isn't incredibly obvious and I want you to explain it.
It absolutely is because you are the only one pursuing it/who has a problem with it.
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"The actual problem is that he is giving all these easy townreads in the first place and not necessarily his reasoning"
You are literally saying that I'm giving townreads, but I'm not giving the reasoning behind them. I said in my first post of the game that Palmar was town because he townread Rsoultin, and I said that Rsoultin was town because she was excited.
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On August 29 2015 06:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
"The actual problem is that he is giving all these easy townreads in the first place and not necessarily his reasoning"
You are literally saying that I'm giving townreads, but I'm not giving the reasoning behind them. I said in my first post of the game that Palmar was town because he townread Rsoultin, and I said that Rsoultin was town because she was excited.
Which brings you to what marv said.
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On August 29 2015 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 06:20 KelsierSC wrote:
you ever consider that the reason I am asking you is because it isn't incredibly obvious and I want you to explain it. It absolutely is because you are the only one pursuing it/who has a problem with it.
ok everyone else is more intelligent than me
here's my thing, I town read CC. i scum read you, maybe I am having doubts on you and I want to evaluate you again, so I am asking you to just clear something up. It isn't unreasonable of me
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On August 29 2015 06:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
"The actual problem is that he is giving all these easy townreads in the first place and not necessarily his reasoning"
You are literally saying that I'm giving townreads, but I'm not giving the reasoning behind them. I said in my first post of the game that Palmar was town because he townread Rsoultin, and I said that Rsoultin was town because she was excited.
No, I am literally saying that the fact that you are giving out the townreads is the problem and not your reasoning for them.
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On August 29 2015 06:24 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 06:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
"The actual problem is that he is giving all these easy townreads in the first place and not necessarily his reasoning"
You are literally saying that I'm giving townreads, but I'm not giving the reasoning behind them. I said in my first post of the game that Palmar was town because he townread Rsoultin, and I said that Rsoultin was town because she was excited. No, I am literally saying that the fact that you are giving out the townreads is the problem and not your reasoning for them.
Oh, I see. The game is statistically much more town than mafia day 1, it's far more likely that most of the people I encounter are just town. If I can round up a few guys that are more likely town, then I know who to look at by process of elimination.
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On August 29 2015 06:23 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 06:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
"The actual problem is that he is giving all these easy townreads in the first place and not necessarily his reasoning"
You are literally saying that I'm giving townreads, but I'm not giving the reasoning behind them. I said in my first post of the game that Palmar was town because he townread Rsoultin, and I said that Rsoultin was town because she was excited. Which brings you to what marv said.
And? I've already gone over this.
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On August 29 2015 05:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 05:52 rsoultin wrote:On August 29 2015 05:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 05:40 marvellosity wrote:On August 29 2015 05:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
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na he never does this Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read. Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care. I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post. You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter. I go over a bunch of possibilities in my head. I initially read Palmar town for reading Rsoultin as town very early on just like I had. I figured he was town coming to a similar conclusion despite his reasons for it. Palmar could have been doing a fake push, and that read was mostly sarcastic (though I wish it were true). Palmar could totally be mafia for pushing onto JAT for bad reasons, but there is no way I can know that for sure. I think you're playing entirely onto how confident my posts sound tone-wise. Focusing on my read on Palmar is entirely nit-picky. I am clearly attempting to figure out this game, moreso than 90% of people. I still don't understand how you made this conclusion with any confidence, when the other option is that a mafiaPalmar simply townread rsoultin. Especially given your reasons were different. boggles my mind tbh Look. There were like 3 pages in the game. I'm reading. I think Rsoultin is town. One of Palmar's first post is that Rsoultin is 2% mafia, so I think "hey, we're on the same wavelength here, he might be town". You're acting as if I'm putting my 100% god faith in that Palmar is town because of this. I do not. It was one early game read that I felt comfortable jumping into the day with because it was true. Doesn't matter how illogical anyone else thinks it is, it was true. meh i ignored this the first time cause everyone who doesn't know me tends to either read me town (cause they're not aware of what i'm capable of) or can't comprehend my posts at all and call it shit posting. but maybe i shouldn't have. if you thought i was town so quickly, why would it be surprising to you for anyone else to, and why would that speak to their alignment at all? I figured mafia would not be so quick to claim that you were town. It would be pretty easy to interpret most of your posting as, so you say, shit-posting and being mafia indicative. After all, you just poked people with sticks and gave some meager reads. I read that as towny excitement. Mafia can easily skew that to be useless filler. I don't understand what the big deal is. Palmar came up with the same tentative conclusion I did early on about your alignment. Regardless of his reasons (which seemed OK), his train of thought seemed townie because it was similar to mine.
you don't even know what his train of thought was, we established at the time that you completely missed it.
that's half the point
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i dont think u really understood what rsoultin said.
and i think wave and kels are both town because their argument is resembling a townie shit fight which cements my reads on both of them.
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so, ye, shitty lazy rsoul reads post incoming
strong town
marv - lock town (don't care about you wafflers)
town
vivax - tangentially aggressive/not his scum game
palmar - too similar d1 thoughts
wave - disorganized/not his scum game
town leans
ve - anger/aggression/frustration says town ve
jat - irritating but his play has the "jattyness" i didn't see earlier
ksc - scum game is worse than this
moosy - chaotic/tone says town
poe
condor - more likely scum if hopeless is town than if hopeless is scum? almost want to punt him up into town leans though
hopeless - could just be awful though
trfel - so...yeah. fuck this shit like...it feels like he's deliberately avoiding me in thread and i just came to the very uncomfortable conclusion that i'm actually more sure of at least 4 players than i am of him, which should never happen if he's town and actually playing
CC - gut scumread...there's a disconnect somewhere...i'll figure out what it is eventually
tldr:
condor could be town actually maybe
and i think truffle may actually be scum and i've just been stupid an entire day phase and jat's gonna end up crowing end game and i hate you jat -_-
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Wow you actually called Trfel scum?
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lol ye
i don't feel he's strongly town and...i dunnae...i can't seem to catch him in thread this game even when he was here before and that's fucking weird
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Wait, you're scumreading me for exactly the reason I was worried about you???
That's really funny XD
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On August 29 2015 06:43 rsoultin wrote:
so, ye, shitty lazy rsoul reads post incoming
strong town
marv - lock town (don't care about you wafflers)
town
vivax - tangentially aggressive/not his scum game
palmar - too similar d1 thoughts
wave - disorganized/not his scum game
town leans
ve - anger/aggression/frustration says town ve
jat - irritating but his play has the "jattyness" i didn't see earlier
ksc - scum game is worse than this
moosy - chaotic/tone says town
poe
condor - more likely scum if hopeless is town than if hopeless is scum? almost want to punt him up into town leans though
hopeless - could just be awful though
trfel - so...yeah. fuck this shit like...it feels like he's deliberately avoiding me in thread and i just came to the very uncomfortable conclusion that i'm actually more sure of at least 4 players than i am of him, which should never happen if he's town and actually playing
CC - gut scumread...there's a disconnect somewhere...i'll figure out what it is eventually
tldr:
condor could be town actually maybe
and i think truffle may actually be scum and i've just been stupid an entire day phase and jat's gonna end up crowing end game and i hate you jat -_-
Quite a few surprises in here. Besides the obvious:
What makes you think Wave is disorganized and why do you think he couldn't fake that as scum?
How would you characterize Vivax scumgame?
How can you say Kelsiers scumgame is worse than this when he just played a very good scumgame?
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Ok, have a permanent townread lol XD
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On August 29 2015 06:47 Trfel wrote:
Wait, you're scumreading me for exactly the reason I was worried about you???
That's really funny XD
wait you're still hanging around not engaging with me???
that's really funny -_-
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trfel where are your beautiful cases
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On August 29 2015 06:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:
trfel where are your beautiful cases
^^^^
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On August 29 2015 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 06:43 rsoultin wrote:
so, ye, shitty lazy rsoul reads post incoming
strong town
marv - lock town (don't care about you wafflers)
town
vivax - tangentially aggressive/not his scum game
palmar - too similar d1 thoughts
wave - disorganized/not his scum game
town leans
ve - anger/aggression/frustration says town ve
jat - irritating but his play has the "jattyness" i didn't see earlier
ksc - scum game is worse than this
moosy - chaotic/tone says town
poe
condor - more likely scum if hopeless is town than if hopeless is scum? almost want to punt him up into town leans though
hopeless - could just be awful though
trfel - so...yeah. fuck this shit like...it feels like he's deliberately avoiding me in thread and i just came to the very uncomfortable conclusion that i'm actually more sure of at least 4 players than i am of him, which should never happen if he's town and actually playing
CC - gut scumread...there's a disconnect somewhere...i'll figure out what it is eventually
tldr:
condor could be town actually maybe
and i think truffle may actually be scum and i've just been stupid an entire day phase and jat's gonna end up crowing end game and i hate you jat -_- Quite a few surprises in here. Besides the obvious: What makes you think Wave is disorganized and why do you think he couldn't fake that as scum? How would you characterize Vivax scumgame? How can you say Kelsiers scumgame is worse than this when he just played a very good scumgame?
- i think he could fake it as scum but he doesn't, and it feels like he's approached this game very naturally instead of with the purpose and deliberateness i'd expect and have seen in his scum games
- vivax's scumgame is awful, boring, and not terribly aggressive (i.e. not this)
- he didn't
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