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JudgeJudy
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![[image loading]](https://38.media.tumblr.com/e13bd2d828d39143b4ea78ad44adbdef/tumblr_mkws63kyEJ1sn92tno1_500.gif) @TT, what made you decide not to use your role on day two to ensure that rayn was lynched considering the vote came down to a 5-5 tiebreaker? Did you consider it or were you not confident enough on the shenanigans at the time? In theory, you could have made it 7-4 with the double vote and politician. I mean doesn't it make sense to use your power every cycle to swing the vote in your favor? | ||
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JudgeJudy
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![[image loading]](http://rs289.pbsrc.com/albums/ll225/mia-plur/Skeptical.gif~c200) On September 02 2015 23:20 Damdred wrote: It is a confirmed horrible lynch especially when I'm town siding lol. Anyone who plays onegu games knows how he handles third partys shrug. I'm just vanilla. A vanilla player that just happens to cause fidei to receive messages from the host? | ||
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JudgeJudy
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![[image loading]](http://cdn3.gurl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/tv-gif-will.gif) On September 02 2015 23:30 Damdred wrote: You aren't reading are you? Since I've clearly explained my upgrade a few times Yeah I forgot that it was upgrade related. You may have answered this as well, but how did you know KSC shot geript night one? Lucky guess? | ||
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JudgeJudy
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On September 02 2015 23:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Jj is my current pick for scum. Jj, who's mafia? ![[image loading]](http://33.media.tumblr.com/113e42cd850a45447615b3c52bb385f3/tumblr_inline_nlenl1Fddq1rbra2d.gif) Either you or TT it seems. Haven't quite decided yet  | ||
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JudgeJudy
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![[image loading]](http://media.giphy.com/media/Ryyo1Iqk1mmSQ/giphy.gif) On September 02 2015 23:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Alright, let me know where you stand and why when you can. Will do! | ||
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JudgeJudy
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/en1vHrg.gif) On September 03 2015 00:31 Tictock wrote: @JJ My ability only allows me to manipulate votes on myself. Yesturday was literally my first option to use it. Hmm okay, I guess that explains the ritoky vote switching from you to him, but how about your vote being counted twice in the vote count? | ||
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JudgeJudy
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![[image loading]](http://replygif.net/i/717.gif) On September 03 2015 00:50 Fidei86 wrote: No, it's not. Damdred claimed after the ritoky ML that town would lose if it got to LYLO with him in it. After tonight we'll be at 3 town, 1 3P and 1 mafia. So effectively, tomorrow is LYLO for us. Each townie has to try and figure out which of the other 3 townies is mafia. Damdred has to choose between 4 townies. The odds of a ML are high. If we lynch Damdred, we go to true LYLO with 2 town 1 mafia. It should be a lot easier for town to figure it out. It also eradicates the possibility that Damdred might have a win con that is zero sum with town. This only makes sense now that Damdred has claimed the game ends at LYLO with him in it, and if there is only one mafia. But Damdred has already said that if there's two mafia, town lose after tonight ANYWAY, so we can rule that out. That's my reasoning, anyway. At the same time, we would also lose the game if mafia has been withholding a nuke or something. Rather than 2 town and 1 mafia, it could be 1 town and 1 mafia and game over. I think we need to try to take out the mafia tomorrow instead. The only reason to lynch damdred would be if he is some type of non-survivor third party role like a serial killer, arsonist, or serial poisoner. If he is indeed one of those roles, I think that means the mafia likely only has 4 players and were wiped out with the chezinu kill. I haven't put a lot of thought into this scenario to see if it adds up, but my gut tells me not to lynch damdred. | ||
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JudgeJudy
188 Posts
On September 03 2015 01:09 Fidei86 wrote: I hadn't considered the possibility of further nukes. That does change things around a fair bit. But I do want to know why Damdred has changed his tune on whether or not we should go to LYLO. "Reasons" is not enough of an answer. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/b15fP2a.gif) Agreed. | ||
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JudgeJudy
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![[image loading]](http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/670160/mccutchen.gif) After thinking about this a bit more, if you are actually town obi, then the play here would be to use your role on TT. With the night hit, there will be six players remaining. Based on yesterday's lynch TT has his double vote and his vote steal which means TT has three votes. That means TT controls 3/6 votes which is enough to secure majority first and lynch whoever he chooses. If he is town, then no big deal, but if he is mafia then game over. I still haven't decided who I think is more likely scum since I still want to read through both of you again (I'll probably end up rereading the whole game since its likely lylo with damdred around). If you think I'm likely mafia and want to use my role on me, then so be it (let me know if you have any questions that could change your mind), but taking away the vote rigging is the safer play. | ||
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JudgeJudy
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![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/3h5pe45FM9qUM/giphy.gif) On September 03 2015 02:57 geript wrote: You shitheads/mafia wanted to lynch ritoky A FUCKING GREENCHECK over him yesterday. I'm putting my foot down. No. I wasn't part of the "keep Damdred around" crowd, but I'm not going to let you fuck shit up even more. You're going to listen to me. You're going to lynch the fuck out of TicTock tomorrow. Period. You don't get to ride in on your high horse and order us around. We have all messed up at some point this game. You can share your opinion about who to lynch tomorrow, but I take offense to the name calling. I don't deserve that. | ||
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JudgeJudy
188 Posts
![[image loading]](https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/MpbxsoEnucjqSoFV1HxIi83F3ZA=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/654976/Cutest_pikachu_gif_ever.0.gif) On September 03 2015 03:12 Fidei86 wrote: @JJ this game seems to have brought out the absolute worst in people. From a Mafia perspective, it's been awesome, but some of the attitudes have been utterly cancerous. meh people get frustrated. It's just annoying to be belittled when you're actually putting effort in. Do you lean one way or the other with the lynch tomorrow? | ||
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JudgeJudy
188 Posts
![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdef9wPYh21ro7opk.gif) gg fidei, been a pleasure Putting my vote on TT just in case obi's role didn't go through for the scenario where TT is mafia and controls 3 votes. Still reading through some stuff before I decide for real though. | ||
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JudgeJudy
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![[image loading]](http://media.giphy.com/media/11cnF1B7QXDmXC/giphy.gif) On September 02 2015 12:13 geript wrote: Oh and TT. I have a special surprise for you... Care to explain this one? | ||
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JudgeJudy
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![[image loading]](http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1370187511_tumblr_mfcjjiUneJ1r7qi9eo1_400.gif) On September 03 2015 08:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Does that confirm me as town or how does that work exactly? I'm not sure to be honest. I suppose he probably would have watched geript, who likely had no visitors. Would a no result show up as anything? Dunno how that works. TT can you confirm you lost your role? | ||
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JudgeJudy
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![[image loading]](http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-02/enhanced/webdr06/19/18/anigif_enhanced-26583-1392852502-3.gif) TT could you also explain your thought process behind not revealing your role earlier in the cycle? If mafia only has one to two people left at that point then wouldn't they not have control of the lynch anyways? On August 25 2015 07:27 Tictock wrote: So Town circle for me is: Rels Fidei86 Breshke geript Damdred JudgeJudy KelsierSC On September 02 2015 08:25 Tictock wrote: I failed my upgrade, needed to townread 7 people correctly in one post. Doesn't this mean you would have received your upgrade as claimed? There are 7 people there... | ||
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JudgeJudy
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![[image loading]](http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/60411/yip-yip-martians-o.gif) derp ignore my second question, jumped the gun. Forgot that upgrades would have came by the 25th. | ||
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JudgeJudy
188 Posts
On September 03 2015 10:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: But I'm still going to lynch both of you anyway. Should be fine. ![[image loading]](http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b131/johanirae/tumblr_m9hj8tHQp11qc3z2q.gif) One thing I will say is weird is that TT's claimed upgrade required him to "correctly" identify 7 town reads, rather than simply having 7 town reads. All the other upgrades were simply role playing things that match the player's character, but this one is like a pseudo mass alignment check. | ||
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JudgeJudy
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![[image loading]](http://24.media.tumblr.com/c7e89d02e1f9723c72ef713adf7a92a4/tumblr_mgdc7yBDfe1qj0u7fo1_400.gif) A few questions for you obi for things that came up as I was looking through your filter, if you don't mind responding when you have a chance. What was your upgrade condition and did you achieve it? On August 21 2015 06:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm perfectly happy with killing rux. If he's actually blue somehow, oh well. Does this infer that you didn't think rux was blue after his claim? It seems weird that you would make that clarification when you knowingly joined a theme game.]. On August 23 2015 11:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah, mark that as "might." He's just not active enough for my tastes. I liked most of the few posts that he had, Which posts of rayn did you like at the time you made this post? Looking at what he had said by that point, there were only a couple short posts, a 30 sec read that geript was mafia without explaining, rels was mafia but he was going to post about it later, and that yamato was town, which conflicted with your views at the time. On August 31 2015 11:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm listening. (Btw, that was a very entertaining case to read. There were a bunch of bits that I liked but we'll see how this plays out.) On September 01 2015 13:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm aware I haven't really responded to JJ. Long story short is that I thought the bits on ritoky's actions after the day 1 lynch and possibly him avoiding rayn during lynch. I'd give more details but I'm tired and I don't know what else I'd elaborate on. Technically he's still on my lynch list but I'm at a loss as to who else I should lynch, aside from possibly TT. What made you decide that TT was a better lynch than ritoky yesterday? You said you liked my case and was going to see how it plays out, You then pointed out what you liked about the case.....but followed with "technically he's still on my lynch list" as if you wanted to vote elsewhere and list TT as the alternative. At one people you said you planned to sheep someone because you hadn't put the effort into finding the best lynch yourself. What made you sheep someone else rather than my case? On September 03 2015 11:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: No, damdred claimed on the 21st and that list was on the 25th. So he put damdred in his townlist, because...Bad? The fuck lol. Well the list is kinda irrelevant because he had to complete his upgrade by night two which had passed by that point. | ||
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JudgeJudy
188 Posts
On September 03 2015 11:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I posted my Tt reasoning during my work hours. I wasn't really confident in it but whatever I suppose. ![[image loading]](http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1965093/joey-air-quotes-o.gif) Mind quoting what you are referring to here? | ||
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JudgeJudy
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![[image loading]](https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.pandawhale.com%2F99718-laughing-duck-goose-gif-chuckl-FOgR.gif&f=1) This gif isn't very relevant, but it's cute so it can stay. On September 03 2015 11:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: My upgrade condition was to claim vt really really early in the game. I took care of it simply because I was roleplaying who I got but dropped it pretty quickly. I got my upgrade and I was like "oh, neato." So your upgrade was the part that vanillizes someone if they visit you that geript triggered and your role you started with was the targeted vanilla role, right? On August 28 2015 23:28 JudgeJudy wrote: I've kinda had obi on my null-town list most of the game from when I compared his filter to the database filters earlier on. At some point in the game, someone (I think it might have been you Rels) brought up how it seemed obi was mafia because the anger he displayed when people shared suspicion of him was way overboard. It was assumed that the anger must be fake since that is something mafia typically do when they are getting pushed. However, obi tends to sometimes get emotional when he is being pushed for reasons that he doesn't see as valid. For instance, here in Hearthstone Mafia (quotes above), then entire town is hammering him for a mislynch and he gets all worked up and he was town that game. That kinda seemed similar to what we saw here earlier. As mafia, the general trend that I found skimming through his games was that he typically has an attitude of "I can't be bothered to read the thread". In this game, there are a few instances where he seems like he is actually spending time to put thought into something or maybe going back to read something, though there are still a few quotes you can find where he simply says that he doesn't care. I wish I had a stronger read here, but I'm kind of on the fence. There are reasons that I see that point to mafia and reasons that could make him town. He is one of the more difficult players to read to begin with in my opinion. Most of the stuff that I said about obi earlier seems to still apply here, with the exception of the point I made about the chezinu day one interaction and the tube nuke since at that point I thought chezinu was normal mafia, rather than mafia traitor. I've had him as a townish null read for the most of the game. Going into the cycle, I though both obi and TT looked mostly townie, but obviously one has to be mafia unless something went really wrong elsewhere. There are a few spots that would match up with the detached mafia behavior that I brought up before. Last cycle in particular with the TT reasoning was so brief and the explanation that he was going to sheep because someone else knows better. When it comes to lynches, he has had very few strong opinions. I can't decide if that is towny uncertainty or not. At the same time, there are points where he is thinking about different scenarios that sound genuine that I've had pop into my head too. Last night I spent all my time reading through obi, so today I'm going to go through TT and hopefully make up my mind afterwards. On September 03 2015 23:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't know. I want to know what JJ thinks still. Is there anything in particular that you are wondering about that I can answer or are you just waiting to see where I end up? | ||
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