EPTTL Mafia Ban List 3.0 - Page 45
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Message Blazinghand if you request a ban please ^_^ Also when the game you're sitting out is over! | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
If they afk'd the entire game and self voted and did nothing else they should be warned for failing to meet activity requirements. Sometimes you realise you suck at the game and your lynch will help people refocus and you need to get yourself out of the game. In my eyes that's pro your win con because it doesn't let mafia feed off your noobness later when it really counts. The better players would self vote and spam the thread with helpful info though but that's not what we're discussing here. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
On May 20 2016 23:24 Holyflare wrote: If they played the game and self voting is allowed then there should be no punishment. If they afk'd the entire game and self voted and did nothing else they should be warned for failing to meet activity requirements. Sometimes you realise you suck at the game and your lynch will help people refocus and you need to get yourself out of the game. In my eyes that's pro your win con because it doesn't let mafia feed off your noobness later when it really counts. The better players would self vote and spam the thread with helpful info though but that's not what we're discussing here. No better player ever selfvotes. You can and should do all of that without selfvoting. If you suck at the game then try to change that. If people lynch you so be it but there is 0 reason to actively push for it yourself. And yes, Fazers had been warned for activity before the day he got lynched, then made like 1 post, voted himself and afked. Slam wasn't as bad but similar. None of them tried to do anything to help town the day they got lynched. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Anyway nothing here convinced me neither deserve a warning atm. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Next time the argument would be better though if the town didn't lynch the player the guy called scum all game long.  Fazers: "Etellex is scum though". Town lynched Fazers, then the next day town lynched Etellex. Then people start yelling the dude played against his wincon. The irony is real. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
So yeah | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
I am not sure how this was not clear enough? Except ofc the arbitary thing that you stated, which i conceded to. But that is dumb in the first place. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On May 21 2016 00:27 Damdred wrote: He wasn't playing to win the game therefore he wasn't playing to the rules then was he? Okay. Were Palmar and / or sandroba in your opinion? Or Etellex who had ~30% less posts than Fazers did. How do you judge which posts are "reasonable" and which ones are not? Or kush who isntead of telling who he thinks is mafia decided to claim his role for "no reason". Or Mig who wanted to get shot so he didn't have to find mafia later on? Again, where do you draw the line? Same question to you; If the last mafia / mafia team concedes before being lynched, are they playing towards their wincondition in your opinion? How does this differ from here? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
-No further distractions -Validates that his arguments are genuine If no one wants to listen despite any of your best efforts it can even be best to get lynched just so people take your arguments seriously. Not the ideal scenario by any means but it can be the least bad option. As for the game: I tried coaching Fazers a little bit and honestly he just doesn't know exactly what to do, plus he doesn't have enough time to play the game. He said he intends to obs a few games first to see what people do and learn from that which sounds wise to me. Did he fuck up, play terribly and such? Yes, but he didn't do it intentionally. He figured removing himself from the game would be a benefit to the town, and didn't realize that fighting his lynch would create more information that could lead to getting the last mafia. If we want to have any new blood at all, we need to give the newbies time and not cast them away with ban list action when they do everything wrong the first or even second time. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On May 21 2016 00:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: As for the game: I tried coaching Fazers a little bit and honestly he just doesn't know exactly what to do, plus he doesn't have enough time to play the game. He said he intends to obs a few games first to see what people do and learn from that which sounds wise to me. Did he fuck up, play terribly and such? Yes, but he didn't do it intentionally. He figured removing himself from the game would be a benefit to the town, and didn't realize that fighting his lynch would create more information that could lead to getting the last mafia. If we want to have any new blood at all, we need to give the newbies time and not cast them away with ban list action when they do everything wrong the first or even second time. yes. which is what i am trying to argue for. Telling and trying to make people understand what they did is not good play is the correct approach. The correct approach is not saying "fuck you you are an idiot" unless the person in question clearly doesn't want advice. If someone thinks they made a right decision, banning or warning them doesn't tell them anything, except that the people doing that were elitists and didn't like him. As long as the person himself wants to improve, don't judge him or punish him for something that can easily be acceptable play in his mind. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
And to artanis, that's the only reason I didn't request a ban and why slam didn't get a ban as well. Not playing against wincon is wincon. He behaves in a newb game and doesn't get warned his warning is gone anyway. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Fazers: Yo i thought we had this in the bag Fazers: And wasn’t really posting Artanis: well Artanis: seems you need to work harder  Fazers: I have been away from the computer t.t for the past four five days Fazers: And now im pretty much dead Fazers: Due to my lack of recent activity and kush calling me scum idk how or why Artanis: well Artanis: try reading the posts and see where he comes from Fazers: Its cause I thought palmar was town but he flipped scum Artanis: the likely reasons are: You've been doing nothing and your reactions have been weird :p Fazers: I still don’t see how Palmar could have been scum Artanis: why not? Artanis: anyone can be scum; such is the way the game rolls Artanis: why do you believe he couldn't be scum? Artanis: or did Artanis: vocalize it Fazers: Yeah I fucked up but I still think etellex is scum but no one listened so I didn’t really put much into expressing my thoughts Artanis: you realize that the issue of not expressing your thoughts is why you got lynched right Artanis: people had nothing to read you on Artanis: and then you voted yourself which didn't really help :p Fazers: I did cause honestly Fazers: Kush said kill me, when he’s a cop Fazers: Then dies Artanis: well he clearly didn't get a check on you Fazers: I wws going to die regardless, all eyes on me Fazers: It was bs Artanis: since you know you're innocent Fazers: Yeah but with my already bad track record(lol) how could I have done better? Artanis: doesn't matter, you are the only one that knows you're innocent; engage people, get people to talk Fazers: I found it difficult after palmar lynch I was next on the list Fazers: T.T Artanis: even if you get lynched, it's better to have 200 posts about it than 20 and no new reads Artanis: because then at least people have more leads for who actually is scum when the lynch is contested Artanis: if it's uncontested, it's very easy for scum to hide Fazers: Ooh.....,... Fazers: Fuck You're right Artanis: But honestly, mafia I think is probably a much bigger time sink than you have time for Artanis: it takes at least 1 hour a day and even that is really not enough Artanis: from what I can tell, you're struggling to get any time in :p Fazers: Yeah Fazers: A lot of hours Fazers: IT 830-530pm every day Artanis: Yeah Artanis: well, if you could spend an hour or two a day after you come home from that Artanis: then you could play, but it's a big time investment Artanis: and when you sign up to games, you have to be willing to put that in Fazers: Yeah i may just obs mafia games Fazers: Join QT boards Fazers: :-) Artanis: probably a good idea to do for a while Fazers: And learn Fazers: Causs im still interested Artanis: yeah, just remember Artanis: it's a big time investment when you do sign up Artanis: people spend a lot of time and get quite invested, and you are in effect 'ruining their fun' when you don't do the same Artanis: and it feels shitty to say that because it sounds incredibly elitist Artanis: probably part of the reason that the forum is shrinking in size Artanis: but people get upset pretty quickly :p Fazers:  I feel guilty I voted myselfFazers: But I felt helpless Artanis: I wish you would've asked more questions! Artanis: I might've been able to help Artanis: but you seem to have very little time :p Fazers: T...T Artanis: and a lot of mafia is just time investment Fazers: Sorry Lex, I’ll ask here when I have Qs Fazers: Artanis: no prob Artanis: Artanis: you didn't do it on purpose | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Warnings aren't a big deal shrug but whatever | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
If you think he played against his wincon at least explain to him and everyone else why he played against his wincon and why is that not acceptable. You have not done so. If you don't do that, he will most likely see you (and TL Mafia) as a place where if you are not good enough you are not allowed to play (trust me, i had this feeling from my first game because of certain things). | ||
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