EPTOn August 12 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:
nah, damdy is town lol ><
How are you so certain on Damdred?nah, damdy is town lol ><
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For the record, at this point in the thread I don't have a good read on Damdred at all.
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On August 12 2015 05:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why do you say this? I don't see ruXxar being excited about anything, or eager to investigate/push/discuss anything. And I also don't see ruXxar looking ahead and being productive like he says he will, like you townread him for doing (as of the time you made this post, anyway). Please explain.I think Ruxxar, Vivax and Rayn are town. Ruxxar because he's going all gung-ho on this Artanis/Palmar thing on Vivax and I've rarely seen mafia makes posts like this: It's the kind of martyring confidence that only comes from town. | ||
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On August 12 2015 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax asked me a question here.I wanted to ask this earlier. Trfel why do you say this? On August 12 2015 01:14 Vivax wrote: I answered it here.I might actually call this the day where I'm willing to apply the Chezinu rule. It's a common reaction for townies to scumread their scumreaders, it's also common to talk yourself into something if you feel like finding something (to the defense of Trfel). When you wield a hammer every problem looks like a nail. Also possible coming from townies, I'm awaiting Trfel (so you won't miss this) to tell me about his state of mind when he was trying to find reasons for Chez being scum. On August 12 2015 02:15 Trfel wrote: Have you heard of a joke? Did you read the contents of the spoiler?Vivax, when I was making that post on Chezinu, I felt like my posts were really suspicious. I was scared that Damdred would catch me, so that's why I asked for his opinion first so I could agree with it. When he didn't give any, I felt like if I just left I would look really scummy, so I just posted the first thing that came into my mind. + Show Spoiler + I'm trying to understand Chezinu's thought process and what he's trying to say in his posts. The message of the first post is clear, however I don't feel that it is relevant to his alignment. His Unofficial Vote Count doesn't have any explanation, but it wasn't simply including everyone who posted (rsoultin was left as not voting). Seeing as he placed an actual vote on me, I assume that the vote count is mean to show some element of dislike/suspicion. Which is why I find it strange that Damdred was included on this list (I suppose my question to Chezinu could be interpreted as dislike, though I actually wanted to start a conversation). | ||
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On August 12 2015 15:48 Chezinu wrote: I find it quite interesting that you specifically say that I was clearly responding to your post, while you also accused me of ignoring you and not responding.You were obviously responding to my message. I mentioned how fortunate it was that we could listen to the rain while under the protection of an umbrella. But then we could hear what was to come. *thunder* You clearly don't fear the thunderstorm but umbrellas themselves. Who say it was a mere thunderstorm that was heading toward the beach? Don't you know we are all the same? We are all tropical storms!!! Some want to land.... but others... we want to live with speed one the ocean waters! We want to survive longer. LANDING IS SUICIDE!!! DON'T DO IT!!! oh and be careful not to bump into eachother... I hear you may perish into a cane in a hurry! Just don't let anyone know your coordinates..aka don't let them know what them humans be calling you. | ||
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On August 12 2015 23:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Please do provide examples.I see Ruxx as being eager to post and continuously explaining his situation, fighting every argument being brought against him (in however poor way he's doing so) and attempting to contribute. A better way of putting it is that the what that he's been doing has been bad (and he has admitted to it as well) but the how he's doing it is so town that I'm very confident that he's town. The words I used were poorly chosen to make this clear but I could name examples of what I mean if you really want me to. I already put up an example earlier in my initial reads. Is this the only reason you're scumreading me? I'm not scumreading you, but I'm suspicious of you (pending your explanation of your ruXxar read). I also didn't really like your VisceraEyes push, and these are the two most noteworthy things you've done this game (as of this point in the thread). | ||
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On August 13 2015 02:03 rsoultin wrote: By itself, that doesn't feel important. It's natural for ruXxar, regardless of alignment, to praise Artanis's read and townread him for it. Why do you ask?truffle wuffle...from what i can make out of ruxxar's post on artie, he came to the exact opposite conclusion you did. watcha think about that? | ||
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On August 13 2015 02:21 Chezinu wrote: And why should I bother responding to your vote count, after I attempted to engage you and was ignored?Mr. Truffle took 40 minutes to respond to my vote count. That was what I was referring to. | ||
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On August 13 2015 02:33 rsoultin wrote: I don't care to convince ruXxar that his read is bad, and I don't think that ruXxar townreading Artanis is very alignment indicative.you seem entirely unconcerned that he has a different read to yours? | ||
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On August 13 2015 02:34 rsoultin wrote: I'm too slow...essentially, truffle, even if you think that has no bearing on his alignment (and that would make sense, it being ruxxy lol ><) shouldn't you be trying to convince him of your point of view? or are you not interested in lynching artanis today? I think he has a fair shot of being mafia. I don't care to convince him at this time because of this, because there are more important things to do first (at the moment Artanis isn't looking like a likely lynch), and he's not here. | ||
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On August 13 2015 02:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Nothing was of immediate interest to me at the moment, except for you saying that my read on you lacked critical thinking. I'll take a closer look at your filter/post after I finish with ruXxar (which is the first thing I need to look at to read you, anyway).Trfel, since you suspect me, why don't you go over my list and question me on anything that stands out to you? At the very least, my read on you should be of interest. | ||
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On August 13 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote: I don't like lynching lurkers. There is some reason to lynch deconduo, he has played in a large number of mafia games and I would expect him to do something other than a single setup-based read. That feels more malicious than just lurking.well i'm still at hopeless/condor/prp @artie so...ye any of those you want to lynch, truffle? i don't think i've ever seen artanis' scum game so i've no clue if he's just being super!scum here, but frankly his reads line up with mine enough that i've no interest in lynching him today | ||
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On August 13 2015 02:47 rsoultin wrote: Let me finish looking through ruXxar's filter, and I'll think about it.not even scummy lurkers? lol >< | ||
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RuXxar's play feels unmotivated and unproductive. He provides a reasonable quantity of reads, however he doesn't try to engage people or push his reads. RuXxar says that he is demotivated, but this doesn't make sense. + Show Spoiler [Quotes] + On August 11 2015 17:33 ruXxar wrote: I could start spamming the thread up to generate activity, but I don't feel like doing that right now. On August 11 2015 22:44 ruXxar wrote: I lost a lot if motivation after the last game. My mood is not bubbly today. O well. Not gonna fake excitement when I'm not. The last game he referred to is Desert Center Mini Mafia, which was aborted after a Day 1 mislynch. However, that game ended over a day before this game began, and in between Desert Center ending and this game starting, ruXxar made this post:Which seems happy enough. I don't understand why/how town would be demotivated here. RuXxar seems uninterested in discussing with people or pushing his reads. On August 11 2015 15:57 ruXxar wrote: Here's his first post with reads. He scumread me (Trfel) because he thought my read felt too confident.Mm, of the people posting so far, trfel is most likely scum. Didn't care for his reads post on rs at all tbh :/. Felt too confident and almost made up as if he already knew her alignment and just poured on reasons to make it look legit. I think damdy is town, rs is townish, chezinu is ?? No idea. Raynpelikoneet disagrees, and then says that he doesn't like ruXxar's approach, and ruXxar responds: On August 11 2015 17:33 ruXxar wrote: He doesn't explain his read, he doesn't evaluate raynpelikoneet's read/alignment at all, he just makes an excuse.Meh, there's not much to go off, so I work with what I have. I could start spamming the thread up to generate activity, but I don't feel like doing that right now. On August 12 2015 00:22 ruXxar wrote: But there were things for him to do, not necessarily pushing his reads, but trying to gain more information to make his reads more accurate. For example, he could have asked raynpelikoneet why he liked my read on rsoultin, which could be important for his scumread on me.Sounds like a plan. The way it looks right now there's not much to do anyway. On August 12 2015 01:12 ruXxar wrote: Here, he says that it's okay if people disagree with him, he'll just be more suspicious of them. He's not pushing his reads at all, and not trying to solve the game.I think rs alignment will become clear with time. I just want to observe her and not interfere just yet. I don't think trfel is towny at this point so I don't understand your question. Are you calling me scum? I think it's fine that people have differing opinions on trfel. I'm naturally more suspicious of the people that disagree with me. Also, his reads don't adapt to new information. His scumread on me showed this (he initially mentioned a scumread that wasn't that strong in his first post, and never shared any other reasons except for agreeing with one of VisceraEyes' posts scumreading me, but apparently didn't find my post noteworthy enough to comment on himself?), as did his scumread on Vivax. He seems very disinterested on changing his reads with regards to new information. Strong scumread on Hopeless1der comes out of nowhere. On August 12 2015 05:38 ruXxar wrote: 1) I'm not sure who scum are. If I knew then you'd see me tunneling them to hell and back. I have some ideas, and I'm willing to explore them and see how people react when attacked. 2) Reads : Town: - Rayn - Damdred - VE gets a daypass. - RS gets a daypass. Scum: -Trfel - Vivax / hopeless. Leaning more towards hopeless. On August 12 2015 05:54 ruXxar wrote: 16 minutes in between, and Hopeless1der made no posts in between.We should lynch hopeless rider. He's like 99% mafia imo. In addition to the many inconsistencies in his play, ruXxar seems unwilling to interact with people and adjust his reads when presented with new information. He doesn't seem at all interested in asking questions to gain information. I don't see him putting effort into this game, pushing his reads, or using critical thinking. | ||
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On August 13 2015 03:14 Damdred wrote: I played with him in one of the newbie games. I was mafia with WaveofShadow and Sulfurus.Have you even looked at his town games to see any differences His reads weren't always logical or well thought out in that game, however he put a ton of effort into the game. He was always willing to discuss things with people and re-evaluate. Many times he would make posts and reads, and I would show him logical flaws, and he would adjust his reads based on my statements. I don't see any of the effort (post count doesn't mean effort), actual pushes, or willingness to discuss and reconsider here. | ||
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On August 13 2015 03:21 Damdred wrote: No, but there's only Newbie Student Mafia XIII and Desert Center Mini Mafia (which doesn't really count). I've read probably half of his town posts on TL Mafia.Ok but have you looked at any of his recent town games? | ||
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On August 13 2015 03:36 Damdred wrote: I think he is likely to be scum because of how he doesn't push his reads and doesn't seem to consider new information. The rest is bonus.so you are giving him scum points for being illogical? Unless I misunderstood? | ||
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On August 13 2015 04:57 ruXxar wrote: I've already demonstrated using examples and quotes. Please show me counter-examples and/or why my examples are wrong.I feel like this is a misrepresentation of my play. In my opinion I've been interacting a lot, and have been adjusting reads and trying to consider different viewpoints. I've been asking a decent amount of questions, even though some people refuse to answer. I've also been pushing my reads which you can clearly see from the way the thread has been evolving. The only thing here i agree with is that my critical thinking is not the sharpest. | ||
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