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On August 13 2015 20:48 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2015 20:23 prplhz wrote:
i don't even know what you expected me to say about palmar. he's been afk all game. to me he's a great null in a sea of nulls. i don't know why you expect me to have a strong opinion on him or why you expect me to try to engage noticably with someone who often stubbornly just does what he feels like. well in contrary to you i have a strong ideo of ~7 people who he thinks are either town or mafia. i have zero idea who you think is mafia, so it's kinda unfair to call him "afk" or even "null". Because he has ACTUAL reads. If he posts his reasoning or not does not matter. eh i'm sort of lost here. why do you think it matters that you think you have stronger opinions than i do? i don't really think it's unfair to call him afk, he's mostly been afk. i remember him saying exactly one thing, and that is that damdred is scum for how he entered the thread. and "null" is just my opinion, it has nothing to do with fairness. i don't read him as any alignment so he's null to me. i don't see why i should rely on my sense of righteousness to form reads. anyway, why do you think me not talking about palmar makes me scum? there's not really anything to talk about for town prpl. and as for scum prpl, well it's easy for him to just have whatever opinion on palmar since palmar isn't really around and didn't say a lot.
Because usually you and Palmar go on each other in every single game.
Now you don't. There is something wrong with it. And i don't know what that is.
Like this same thing happened with Damdred/Xatalos in the last game i played.
Something wrong, i can't explain what, but something does not make sense. At least one of you have to be scum for it to make sense, and i think Palmar is town.
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I am actually starting leaning towards rsoultin being mafia.
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On August 13 2015 22:46 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:38 Vivax wrote:
Alone the fact that your heuristic turned out to be whether he has reads or not based on what Damdred said makes your decision look pretty bad tbh.
So who are you scumreading now rso?
What about VE being tempted by that something you wrote ye well, i don't know how to read hopeless as either alignment. i thought rayn had a way; he didn't. at least not in any way that he could explain. it was as simple as scumread over null read, and as i said when i changed votes, i didn't mind a hopeless lynch? i just preferred condor or prp...later just condor
I am lynching you on day 2 for this post for several reasons:
1) My case never said anything about Hopeless "not having a single read". therefore you don't even know what you are talking about
2) You didn't even fucking read his scumgame therefore you don't even know what you are talking about
3) I am right
4) Damdred is wrong
Everyone who can do Stormvote Hopeless.
Then lynch rsoultin and Chezinu.
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Nobody is lynching VE because he is not mafia.
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On August 14 2015 02:21 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2015 02:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2015 22:46 rsoultin wrote:On August 13 2015 22:38 Vivax wrote:
Alone the fact that your heuristic turned out to be whether he has reads or not based on what Damdred said makes your decision look pretty bad tbh.
So who are you scumreading now rso?
What about VE being tempted by that something you wrote ye well, i don't know how to read hopeless as either alignment. i thought rayn had a way; he didn't. at least not in any way that he could explain. it was as simple as scumread over null read, and as i said when i changed votes, i didn't mind a hopeless lynch? i just preferred condor or prp...later just condor I am lynching you on day 2 for this post for several reasons: 1) My case never said anything about Hopeless "not having a single read". therefore you don't even know what you are talking about 2) You didn't even fucking read his scumgame therefore you don't even know what you are talking about 3) I am right 4) Damdred is wrong Everyone who can do Stormvote Hopeless.Then lynch rsoultin and Chezinu. idk why 4 is even in there when I've said since yesterday to just big hopeless.
Because i said Hopeless ismafia for X.
You said "but he does Y in his scumgames, therefore he is not mafia because of X".
And then rsoultin goes "okay seems like Damdred is right and rayn is wrong, btw i didn't even read the game kthxbye".
fucking horrible.
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On August 14 2015 03:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chezinu was interested in switching the vote off Decon right before the lynch, off the cuff that looks townie but it could be a play I guess. I'm interested in hearing why rayn wants to lynch Chez.
On August 13 2015 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem with Chezinu is that when he is town his ciphered posts do contain a shitton of information and thought if you go through them and try to understand what he is actually saying. When he is mafia they usually don't. Which is like here. The only things he has basically done is "Chezinu rule" and then "vote deconduo (AGAINST the Chezinu rule - as both of Damdred and Trfel are there aswell)". Chazinu is not stupid, and i KNOW he believes in the Chezinu rule. It makes literally no sense at all he is basically throwing his #1 read gathering mechanic into trash when it actually matters the most.
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On August 13 2015 22:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn why did you stop thinking Damdred was scum (presuming you did since you haven't named him in recent times)?
Because of his defeatist attitude which i hate. But it's still probably town.
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I never really read Damdred's post because i was in the middle of something else at the time and i focus on one thing at the time. Then i fell asleep later which is also why this lynch happened.
It does not pardon you from what you did rsoultin. You blindly trusted Damdred over me without even reading the game he quoted (hint: in that scumgame of Hopeless he doesn't really lay out a single thought process regarding his reads so i don't even know what the fuck is Damdred reading).
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...like saying "this guy is town this guy is town this guy is scum" does not equal giving reads.
A read is why you explain the scum/town motivation behind someone's actions.
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On August 14 2015 03:41 rsoultin wrote:
...when you're the one who can't communicate, or just sit here and scream something over and over without reading what others are saying
I am sorry but fuck you.
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On August 14 2015 03:45 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2015 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I never really read Damdred's post because i was in the middle of something else at the time and i focus on one thing at the time. Then i fell asleep later which is also why this lynch happened.
It does not pardon you from what you did rsoultin. You blindly trusted Damdred over me without even reading the game he quoted (hint: in that scumgame of Hopeless he doesn't really lay out a single thought process regarding his reads so i don't even know what the fuck is Damdred reading). okay...see i get what you're saying now and it actually makes more sense than what you were saying before? that the reads had no reasoning behind them. that's not what you were saying before, though lol >< and i did read the first one he mentioned, not the second one was enough to prove that what i thought you were saying wasn't true @.@ i'm really going to laugh so hard if hopeless is town this game, btw, given all the time we've wasted here ^^
How can you even say this?
Like you read the towngame from Hopeless and you didn't think he was giving out reads in that game but now your conclusion is "yeah i agree with you rayn" when i am saying "Hopeless tries to get his point across as town" which literally means he is giving out reads as town.
LIKE WTF??
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On August 14 2015 03:48 rsoultin wrote:
the only person's alignment in this game i'm more certain of than my own is damdred's, so i'm not very interested in wherever you're trying to push this until you actually start making some sense
this is literally impossible.
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So you do not think Hopeless is mafia?
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EBWOP: last one was to rsoultin
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rsoultin, what did you find out in the game you read from Hopeless?
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Hopeless reasoning for his reads in FF game is fucking non-sensical.
He calls one guy town because other people call him scum?!?!?
He calls one guy scum and in the same sentence says it's "OMGUS talking" so it's not a read.
Then he calls another guy scum because they called someone mafia when someone else did a similar thing and they didn't call them mafia.
Even without reading the game at all and only that one post where there are "reads" you can easily tell those are not reads at all, they are just some words.
Here, i quote you something:
On April 03 2014 12:19 some dude wrote:
So I'm really glad that I just read through 20 pages of gum/rayn fighting. Going into it I had a town read on rayn scum on gum and null on steve. Coming out of it gum looks even scummier steve looks scummy and so does rayn tbh. (there has to be 2 towns in each group right?)
Like I could make cases on all of you guys,
GUM: basically to me Rayn's case on gum is really strong he pretends to set some trap that doesn't work (but seems like it would only catch town if it did work) and then calls rayn scum for it. I thought rayn refuted his claim pretty well and answered some questions on it. Balla brought up a good point last night about how gum accussed rayn of doing the same thing he was doing in ignoring steve and being scummy for it. I think gum went into mega defensive mode and just started throwing shit at rayn and rayn did the same until rayn saw gum say he swears hes town.
Rayn: Looks good for his case on gum then does this 180 and instantly believes him on the thing he said about swearing. I find it really odd that logical rayn town would drop his biggest case on someone he knows has a 50/50 of being scum just because he said one thing. This makes rayn look scummier in my eyes because he might have felt like others would see that and if he kept tunneling he would out himself if he were scum so he hipster switched so he could be the first one to say thats the case. (For me this means nothing btw its a game about lying I expect anyone in here would say anything to not look more town as scum and I would never fault anyone for it, I'd swear on my grandma's grave I was town and my grandma isn't even dead) So I find this really odd of rayn to switch here.
Steve: Steve then has like the weirdest reaction ever and says someone is cheating and starts getting all emo and bent out of shape about something that to me just made his cellmate rayn look more scummy and changed nothing on my read on gum. So If I was steve I would be asking the mod why he put two scum in my group not going on about cheating and such.
So after 20 pages of bullshit-in-fighting of one cell if this were a normal game I'd probably lynch all of them and assume I hit at least 2 scum. In this game sadly only 1 is scum and 2 are town. So rayn's case on gum looks like it comes from a town point of view and maybe he is just a reactionary player and did the swap onto steve because he has some weird set of mafia morals that I would never follow so I'll give rayn the town pass here. (Now later on in the thread I think he makes other contributions to be more townie as well so this got strengthened even more so)
Steve emo quitting reminds me of rayn doing the same thing in Titanic about coag being a hydra. Rayn emod for a couple hours and turned out to be town here so I'm going to assume thats what is happening here cause I still haven't seen gum do anything really very townie and there can be only one scum. (I also have more reasons on steve here in a second based on another read.)
Right now Scum=Gum, Rayn = Town, Steve = Town cause gum is scum.
I'd just like to say this is exactly what scum would have wanted in this game and why my plan was amazing and if you guys focused elsewhere the reads would be more spread out and varied and could be scumx2 or 3xtown or something but instead we have 20 pages of fighting that might net us 1 scum and thats only if one becomes obvious which to me it hasnt. /end rant on my system as I still read Balla/Rayn as town and they both think its shit.
More on other scum that popped up during the Cell 1 Battle royale.
On April 03 2014 12:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Congratulations you just made a 1000 word post that started with:
gumshoe is mafia and ended with:
gumshoe is mafia
PROFIT!
~rayn
This is in reference in what Hopeless actually says in the FF game. How can people not understand that jsut writing words/quoting posts does not actually mean a person is ACTUALLY saying something.
And for the record rsoultin; Acme is NOT the other game Damdred was referring to, this is:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468642-avogadros-number-mini-mafia?user=Hopeless1der
Which is a game where Hopeless says absolutely nothing ofrelevance all game long and every smart player in the game was like "fuck i would 100% lynch Hopeless every day in this game because he is doing jack shit but he claimed prime and it doesn't make any sense as mafia so let's just say he is town and ignore". That is literally what happened in the game - the dude was 100% mafia because of his non-commitalness but we could not lynch him because there were bad townies in the game and he had a roleclaim he yolo'ed at the start of the game.
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On August 14 2015 04:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2015 04:24 Damdred wrote:
I really can't be assed to care. I've been called stupid and bad this entire game basically, because I hard defended town read tux had no idea who to lynch yesterday but knew that lynching hopeless would give us the least amount of information and he was best big shot.
I get called stupid more even though people who are the thread *leaders* parrot me when they enter the thread and insult me some more.
I hope I get lynched by these assholes honestly. Ok maybe I won't buy it, saying that lynching decon gives you more information is fucking stupid. I said exactly the opposite since of the two between hope and decon, decon was more informative and worthy of being kept alive. I don't see at all how you can say that keeping hopeless alive is more informative since I've been proven right given he didn't post a single thing this night.
I was just about to write this.
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On August 14 2015 04:24 Damdred wrote:
I really can't be assed to care. I've been called stupid and bad this entire game basically, because I hard defended town read tux had no idea who to lynch yesterday but knew that lynching hopeless would give us the least amount of information and he was best big shot.
I get called stupid more even though people who are the thread *leaders* parrot me when they enter the thread and insult me some more.
I hope I get lynched by these assholes honestly.
If lynching Hopeless gives you the least amount of information then by default lynching deconduo gives you more information no? You voted for deconduo remember?
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On August 14 2015 04:42 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2015 04:41 Vivax wrote:On August 14 2015 04:40 Damdred wrote:
Neither of you proved what vivax said where did I say specifically that deco fives us more information?
Where did I say that hopeless being alive fives us more information at night from him Cause of what rayn said. If you opposed the hopeless lynch cause it wouldnt give you info, then by consequence you have to expect mroe from a decon lynch. (1)Where did I say specifically that Dec was the most informative lynch or (2)around eod was my prefered lynch then
(1) That is not what anyone is arguing.
(2) your vote said that
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On August 14 2015 04:45 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2015 04:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 14 2015 04:42 Damdred wrote:On August 14 2015 04:41 Vivax wrote:On August 14 2015 04:40 Damdred wrote:
Neither of you proved what vivax said where did I say specifically that deco fives us more information?
Where did I say that hopeless being alive fives us more information at night from him Cause of what rayn said. If you opposed the hopeless lynch cause it wouldnt give you info, then by consequence you have to expect mroe from a decon lynch. (1)Where did I say specifically that Dec was the most informative lynch or (2)around eod was my prefered lynch then (1) That is not what anyone is arguing. (2) your vote said that 1) vivax said that 2) I had to vote well next time I'll just modkill myself
1) no he didn't, he said - as i did - that you were saying "deconduo lynch yields us more information that Hopeless does", just because by default if Hopless lynch yields us the least information the conclusion that deconduo > Hopeless in terms on info MUST be true. Nowhere is he saying you said lynching deconduo gives us the most information, "more" != "most".
2) i can't understand you, you voted for deconduo, therefore he has to be your preferred lynch at the time, why would you vote for him otherwise? I don't care about the reasons but the fact you voted for him literally MAKES HIM YOUR PREFERRED LYNCH.
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