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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On August 09 2015 01:32 Rels wrote:  gg wp everyone. I had a ton of fun the first day.lol i'm sorry that our first opportunity to play together, and my first opportunity to play together with ruxx as town, went this south ^^ we have to do it again sometime you're fun to play with | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On August 09 2015 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well played cake. -jumps on rayn- i am revoking your "can read rsoul" card officially today  y'alright? | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On August 09 2015 01:40 justanothertownie wrote: What HF did was not ok, no doubt. But it wouldn't have been an issue at all if the other people HADN'T BROKE THE RULES THEMSELVES by posting after deadline. Seriously how can anyone blame HF for ruining the game when the only reason it was ruined is that some other idiots posted when they weren't supposed to? Slam should only host again if he has reliable cohosts who know whats up and are always available btw. But I think he knows that himself. jats a smart man | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
moral of the story: don't post after deadline everyone's happy ^^ bueno, damdy damdy damdy come entertain me ^^ | ||
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CopCake
4378 Posts
On August 09 2015 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well played cake. I didn't do well tho. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
now cake bottom of the town list and I just sheeped rayns read. as for drama idk this game was a stand out in that department, I've never had a game get aborted | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On August 09 2015 01:48 Alakaslam wrote: This game is officially done. yamato77 CopCake KelsierSC Thank you for putting up with being scum. Special kudos to CopCake who seems to have been universally townread. Everyone else plus those three, thank you for playing and my apologies for being gone, starting hastily, not choosing my own deadline (if it had been 19:00 P?T then none of this would have happened), and then taking everything personally and spouting those views publicly. Starting a game can make you feel like it's your child. (It is your brainchild after all) I felt that way, and got emotional when I found out it got hurt when I was separated from it when it needed me. In that emotional state, I took everything hard and as a dig at me. Holyflare's only issue was using blue. If he had bold greened every one of those posts, I would have taken issue with the "hosts don't even know their own deadline" remark and the "you are to format your votes properly" remark and then basically been fine with it. Some people are a bit more vocal than others, and I get that. Therefore I will not mention this in the ban list until I have had some time to think it over from everyone's perspective. yeh I think it's best if we all pretend this game never happened rather than ban list action. | ||
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justanothertownie
16317 Posts
On August 09 2015 02:50 KelsierSC wrote: yeh I think it's best if we all pretend this game never happened rather than ban list action. This would probably be the best because if you really want to hand out punishments you need to warn/ban more than half of the players in this game. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
JAT's first post was spot on. Only observation about HF's getting impatient....same thing happened to me in Himalayas at nighttime. I got sick during the resolution period N4 after I prompted silence, and then passed out. My cohost was AFK. By the time I recovered, daypost was 45 minutes late. He and others were patient then, not sure why they weren't now. *shrug* Anyhow, I know Tropical Storm is starting Monday, clear your heads maybe watch some TI5 or something (yeh I went there) and get it out of your systems in time for the next rounds.  I'd say fill up Personality, I'm back from the States and ready to play again, but it would seem Onegu isn't ready to start that one for a week. Ah well. edit: as for punishments I'll hold my opinion until it surfaces on the ban list. meh... | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
I agree with scott and Holyflare in that people should really calm down and cut out the ad hom stuff. TL Mafia should be a fun game to play about wits and should not really make anyone too emotional. If everyone cuts ad hom stuff and listen to each other then we should all be okay. I know I'm probably the last person to say this, but I realize the importance of it now. I can give my thoughts on each player but I'm more than happy to just let this game die. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On August 09 2015 03:22 rsoultin wrote: lol i'm always open to critiques moosy but ye...maybe not thoughts on every player. some are probably still on tilt ^^ You did g00d. If anything else I've learned from the way you managed to defuse early arguments and avoid townie mudfights throughout Day 1. The only problem was that your play for all of Day 1 was centered around tone reads and then you sheeped that pretty bad Edgar case which someone posted (I forgot who tho). The case was one of those "contradiction cases" which are really just NAI and make for easy mislynches. I also understand it's difficult to nail something on someone D1 besides tone reads, but there were far better tone reads than Edgar imo like yamato and ruXxar. As a note ruXxar, you might want to calm down a bit with trying to stress your breezy tone. In this game I could tell it was rather forced and that it wasn't a really genuine reaction like in our second Newbie game together. -shrugs- Otherwise your play was okay although I could see the seeds of tunneling when you started focusing on scott, yamato, etc. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
But anyway I enjoyed the game up until eod | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On August 09 2015 03:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: You did g00d. If anything else I've learned from the way you managed to defuse early arguments and avoid townie mudfights throughout Day 1. The only problem was that your play for all of Day 1 was centered around tone reads and then you sheeped that pretty bad Edgar case which someone posted (I forgot who tho). The case was one of those "contradiction cases" which are really just NAI and make for easy mislynches. I also understand it's difficult to nail something on someone D1 besides tone reads, but there were far better tone reads than Edgar imo like yamato and ruXxar. As a note ruXxar, you might want to calm down a bit with trying to stress your breezy tone. In this game I could tell it was rather forced and that it wasn't a really genuine reaction like in our second Newbie game together. -shrugs- Otherwise your play was okay although I could see the seeds of tunneling when you started focusing on scott, yamato, etc. eh hf and i are allergic to each other right now lol after gaiden in all honesty if i'd known it was him i might not have taken as much issue with his hyper focus...it's natural to be suspicious of someone who just rolled scum against you but i didn't know it was him so it was just strange >< | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On August 09 2015 01:40 Alakaslam wrote: Well, some of the vote counts had ruXxar voting and RuXxar not voting. That's what I am referring to and don't know how else that happened. Ahhh... Indeed. Now I see. Now it should be fixed so that if a vote is spelled wrong with its capitalization (such as aLakaslam), it still removes the player from the "Not Voting" list. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
66% {RS + Yamato + ?}, remaining member split roughly 33% Ruxxar, 33% Rels, 33% KSC. Town reads: 100% Rayne, Damdred, Scott, 66% Rels (really conflicting signals from Rels), Shining Null Reads: CopCake, EAP, Feast RS did something that only scum should do: claim to leave the thread, and then respond to pressure. Its a basic trap that catches scum or lying town. For this reason, RS should have been the D1 lynch. Yamato was difficult to read early, obviously, because he was lurking so hard. It was his mechanics post, that basically copied mine, that led me to conclude he was scum. If a townie cares enough about the game to write up a few paragraphs on D1 lynch strategy, they won't lurk. Those behaviors don't mesh, and it was an obvious play for town cred. I started out higher on Ruxxar, and wavered a lot, but was generally downgrading him as the game went on. When he started turning the lynch into a 3-person choice, I really wasn't sure. I was pretty sure the RS/RX/DD circle had one townie in it (but having only seen DD play before, I couldn't rule out terrible scum play), but I wasn't sure if there were two townies in it or not. Also, I 100% Townread Rayne like two hours into the game, and he was pretty convinced about RX, so I figured he saw something I was missing. A couple things tweaked me to KSC: First, anyone who made a case against scott was a possible scum. Scott was an easy lynch to try to push as he lurked a lot early. Second, he tried to pocket me multiple times, townreading me and resisting lynches against me. Still, he did a great job with his interactions with CopCake - I would not have put them as both scum. I should have caught CopCake when she tried to lynch me. Her case was completely inaccurate, based on me being a lurker. I remember even KSC saying something to the effect of, "the one thing you can't accuse iGrok of is lurking." In hindsight, really should have caught on to this, but sleep deprivation was taking hold at the time, and I probably would have ruled it out anyways based on her interactions with KSC. As for the town reads, rayne was cleared because he knew what I was doing and was the only one publicly defending it. If he was mafia, I know that rayne is a good enough player to recognize that I would have been an easy lynch if he didn't ally with me. Town rayne gives 0 fucks and goes after mafia hard, damn the consequences. Super easy read with how active and controversial of a day 1 got forced. Damdred was 99% cleared because I knew there couldn't be 3 mafia in the RS/RX/DD circle. If the three of them were all mafia, I was going to be so disappointed because you expect better play (although really bad play can sometimes work out in an anti-meta kind of way). Scott was cleared because of how many people jumped on his case so quickly. At least one mafia had to be making a case for him, and he didn't seem like a good bus candidate because it had a chance of actually going through. Shining's first few posts read as town-stupid to me, as I explained to rayne. It was fairly obvious to see the thought patterns in the way he posted, that he got distracted by something and/or couldn't figure out a case and put it aside for later. Rels... man, you were difficult! Asking me to comment on your talk with Rayne felt really weird, and I wasn't really sure what to make of it. @RS: You made a classic scumslip, as town. Maybe if I had played more games with you, I would have given you more benefit of the doubt, but it really seemed incredibly obvious. Then you sheeped several reads that contradicted each other. Maybe you're the kind of player who plays much better on day 2, like Radfield, GGQ, or Foolishness? I don't have anything against you personally, I want to make that clear. Honestly it felt like you were playing a pretty good recovery from the slip. However, knowing now that you're town, I really take issue with some of your comments, particularly "ye reading is a skill ^^". Your posts aren't clear, and as town, if someone is asking you to clarify, you should try to clarify rather than be condescending. This also contributed to my scumread of you. It was extremely frustrating to try to engage in any sort of conversation with you, because your reasoning for anything we disagreed on was that I just didn't know how you played and/or "can't english", which was even more infuriating as I was the one posting in proper english while you posted in incomplete sentences, little capitalization/punctuation, and emotes. @RX: Speaking of which, I was literally left speechless when you accused me of being scum because I was putting effort into the game. It actually made me lean town on you for a little while. Is that seriously how bad things have gotten? Proper sentences and formatting are scumtells? Townies don't try? Look, the time I come from was a time of incredibly long posts. They were probably too long, but I much prefer them to the twitter-esque spamfest that some people post in. It isn't difficult to capitalize your sentences, use formatting tags, and most importantly think for a few minutes about what you want to say before posting it. Overall, despite the heat, Day 1 was reasonably enjoyable. I hope most of you sign up for Gaiden 2 | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
Rather than complaining about the new style of play, why don't you try to combine minds? n00bKing is a good player who plays a lot like you. Rather than fighting with him I try and collaborate my tone/feel reads with his concrete analysis. I often give him the starting point to base his reads off of while he keeps me from going haywire with theories. We combine our different styles of play rather than fighting. Just a thought. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On August 09 2015 03:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: This game was fun to read for the first day but things got really out of hand... I agree with scott and Holyflare in that people should really calm down and cut out the ad hom stuff. TL Mafia should be a fun game to play about wits and should not really make anyone too emotional. If everyone cuts ad hom stuff and listen to each other then we should all be okay. I know I'm probably the last person to say this, but I realize the importance of it now. I can give my thoughts on each player but I'm more than happy to just let this game die. yeh i'd be interested to hear critique. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
if you couldn't understand the reads, you should have asked. i said this multiple times and even asked you multiple times what you didn't understand. you insisted on calling my posts fluff and saying that you couldn't work with me i get that you have an ego. i have one, too. but notice the difference between us? i kept talking to people and listening to them (maybe not agreeing but at least entertaining their opinion). i kept trying to get you to interact with me even though, from my perspective, you calling all my posts crap was at least as obnoxious if not more than anything i said to you. i was town. i was doing something productive with my posts, even if you didn't understand them. if i'd allowed myself to just be offended and tunneled like you, i would have gotten nothing done such is life. there's a reason so many were scumreading you, and a big part of it is you went completely tunnel vision, listened to no one, and didn't give other reads on people you think you caught me in a "trap" but you weren't paying attention. i said i was going to be lazy and not post unless i was bored. there is no lie there -shrugs- i wasn't claiming i didn't have the time. i wasn't trying to "hide" if you want me to explain my methods or any of my posts, i'm still willing to. i'm actually a halfway decent player lol >< | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Besides that the heuristic that only scum would come back to the pressure just isn't right anymore. The meta has changed beyond that town now is more likely to return now than scum. And RS was extremely town to a point. | ||
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