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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 23 2015 19:55 GMT
#41
/in
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 24 2015 18:14 GMT
#102
Instructions were unclear.

On July 24 2015 10:06 Half the Sky wrote:

We have 13 players, and ready to go.
Confirmations start now. Please type /confirm in thread (or respond to my PM).


But I had no message from HTS, only ticktock:

Original Message From Tictock:
We are almost ready to begin Mafia Down Under 3!

Prologue is up and the game is about to begin.

If you still intend to play in this game please /confirm to let us know.


But I responded anyway. I confirmed: Friday, Jul 24 11:16am GMT (GMT+00:00)

HOWEVER

40 minutes later HTS called me out on NOT HAVING CONFIRMED!!!!!!

On July 24 2015 20:56 Half the Sky wrote:
FirmTofu will replace yamato77. Waiting on Palmar to confirm...


I am very suspicious of these hosts. They are not to be trusted.

I will be double checking this "machine" that counts votes this game.

I don't trust that machine any more than I trust the hosts.

This all feels like something is up.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 24 2015 20:42 GMT
#116
On July 25 2015 04:20 Tictock wrote:
Votes cast in the Voting thread are not counted!


See, they're taking away our only way to influence this game.

This is all a sham.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 24 2015 21:26 GMT
#127
heroku is like the kiddie version of aws isn't it?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 24 2015 22:37 GMT
#150
Hi i ROLLED MAfia so I'm gonna just chill.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 25 2015 00:56 GMT
#170
I'll maybe play tomorrow.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 25 2015 17:50 GMT
#288
This is kinda scummy.

On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop.


On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read.


The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling.

On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes

but guys, guys, guys...

rayn is scuuum ^^


he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^

guys!

guys! guys!

listen to me...

lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think?

-fades back into the ether-


This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something.

On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!

Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu


This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 25 2015 17:54 GMT
#290
On July 25 2015 08:58 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 08:49 scott31337 wrote:
On July 25 2015 08:23 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 25 2015 08:06 scott31337 wrote:
1/75
On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:
It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with.
After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both.

bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me.

scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly

On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far.


considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum?


##Give 5 posts to KelsierSC
If I actually go thru 80 posts in a cycle I would impress myself to be honest.

I know there's three scum - I haven't liked VT claims since my second game, and neither should you - It's not as bad as LS claiming when the breeze blows by is what I was stating.

GB didn't reply that he was my friend, just that he is town - I'm town too but not the response I wanted.

Palmar speaking the truth, he's probably my favorite player next to HF.

Rsoul already seems different this game - could be a good sign.


So just to get this straight, you thought the scummy thing about my post was that I claimed vt?
what does this have to do with LS claiming ?
how is Rsoul "different"?



Yes. What else did you do in that post? I do not see anything else...
The LS thing - It's a bad claim - just like what other people do and have not learned their lesson.
Does that make sense to you?

Rsoul seems happier and called people out quickly unlike her last two scum games. It's only one post, but...

Palmar is one of my favorites as town - blunt, to the point - but if he needs to pull out the stops (the game rayn bussed everybody and Palmar kicked it up d4 to get the win) he will.

I'll be back in a couple hours. (and I can't count my posts for shit either, 1/75 when I posted already doh!)


no not really, you are equating someone saying they are vt in the first post with someone claiming or fake claiming blue deep into D1.

rsoultin jokingly said rayn was mafia...this is her "calling people out quickly" and you are already leaning town on her?

i dont know what this palmar thing is, you think he's town aswell?



This passage makes me want to give Kelsier a pass, even if there is a slight tone reason to question his annoyance.

scott on the other hand is all over the place, as Obi pointed out:

On July 25 2015 16:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Last thought before bed:
I want to know why scott gave ksc posts + what his read on ksc is now.

He had this whole bit on not liking ksc's entrance, ksc came back with "you can't find me scummy if you don't find anyone else scummy" (which makes no sense at all) and then scott immediately left him alone and gave him posts.
Made no sense at all.


What he did isn't logical.

Illogical doesn't mean he's mafia but scott is now closer to the "would lynch" line. Also his comment about me was literally nothing. He said precisely nothing so why even mention me.

Obi and Kelsier join GB in the leaning town category

rsoultin and rayn are tiny scumleans

scott is a slightly stronger scumlean.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 25 2015 17:56 GMT
#292
On July 25 2015 15:34 Snickers wrote:
everytime i read hopeless' filter i twitch a little more and more


This comment is just straight up weird.

Hopeless' filter is like 3 posts, so why imply he's reading it repeatedly. Then again, I sort of agree that filter is basically trash. so meh.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 25 2015 17:56 GMT
#293
On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:
This is kinda scummy.

On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop.


On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read.


The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling.

On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:
On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes

but guys, guys, guys...

rayn is scuuum ^^


he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^

guys!

guys! guys!

listen to me...

lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think?

-fades back into the ether-


This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something.

On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!

Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu


This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know.

Speak of the devil.

Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner."

Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here.


Shut up
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 25 2015 18:05 GMT
#298
On July 26 2015 02:59 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:
On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:
On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:
This is kinda scummy.

On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop.


On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read.


The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling.

On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:
On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes

but guys, guys, guys...

rayn is scuuum ^^


he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^

guys!

guys! guys!

listen to me...

lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think?

-fades back into the ether-


This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something.

On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!

Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu


This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know.

Speak of the devil.

Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner."

Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here.


Shut up

Now you're trying to stifle discussion instead of providing a justification for your scummy actions?

Yep.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 25 2015 18:08 GMT
#300
On July 25 2015 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh this game is going to be hard with the post restriction.
i was gonna kinda stay in the shadows for the majority of D1 but i guess it's impossible.

I don't really have any fucking reads because there aren't any posts to read.
I think Hopeless is mafia
Snickers and boxerfred town.http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/

The post about claims cannot basically come from a townie. I don't believe it.
##vote hopeless


This post is shit because there is easily stuff to read from the thread. He doesn't even comment on some of the biggest presences at this point in the thread (Kelsier, scott).

Then again, I also (as I mentioned before) agree about that hopeless looks like shit.

At this point I just feel super undecided whether or not I should keep exploring other people or just lynch Hopeless for being awful. I'm just worried that I want to lynch him because it's easy and is going to feel good even if he flips town.

In short I guess what I'm saying is that at this point in the game I would consolidated on Hopeless but I don't particularly want to push him unless I can't find anything else (and I think there might be something else when I reread some other filters).

On July 25 2015 22:03 rsoultin wrote:
preliminary townreads of doom! \o/

snickers town for overwhelming obnoxiousness, may put on mute cause half his pushes are blah
ksc townlean; frustration feels real

gb not freaking out all over a dead thread possible scum...would say prob scum but there's the off chance he just passed out partying and that's why he's being particularly useless lol ><


This post kind of redeems rsoultin a bit. With the disclaimer that I am usually super bad at reading her, I think that for her standards these reads actually seem to be backed up by something that might qualify as thought process.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 25 2015 18:16 GMT
#307
On July 26 2015 03:13 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 03:11 Snickers wrote:
On July 26 2015 03:08 FirmTofu wrote:
I think its painfully obvious that Palmar's posts are reflective of mafia trying to appear like they're contributing instead of actually contributing.

If you read his posts, you'll see that he hasn't asked a single person a question, meaning he isn't trying to actually find mafia. In my mafia games, I find that people who just keep posting scumreads and townreads are usually mafia because they fill their filter with useless shit that masquerades as substance.


i felt the same way about gb posts but maybe i am forgetful

Give me a sec, I'll look into his filter and get back to you on that.

Don't bother, you seem incapable of making useful contributions so just chill instead.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 25 2015 18:17 GMT
#308
On July 26 2015 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 03:08 Palmar wrote:
On July 25 2015 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh this game is going to be hard with the post restriction.
i was gonna kinda stay in the shadows for the majority of D1 but i guess it's impossible.

I don't really have any fucking reads because there aren't any posts to read.
I think Hopeless is mafia
Snickers and boxerfred town.http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/

The post about claims cannot basically come from a townie. I don't believe it.
##vote hopeless


This post is shit because there is easily stuff to read from the thread. He doesn't even comment on some of the biggest presences at this point in the thread (Kelsier, scott).

Oh but i did. You're terrible.

That's just blatantly false bro. Can you link me the post?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 25 2015 18:27 GMT
#318
On July 26 2015 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here Palmar:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 22:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Looking at that, all the post givers are probably town.

lol Palmar. well at least this gives your alignment away pretty easily.
go!

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no scott is town aswell trust me.
his actions make no sense from scum perspective.

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 22:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
rsoultin in fact that cava post is really bad.

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sorry cava is obi.

Kelsier says : "does me being scum exclude all other people from being scum"
Cava says: "Kelsier said "you can't find me scummy if you don't find anyone else scummy""

roflskates

In fact Cava, you need to elaborate how you come to that conclusion about the post Kelsier made. That is a big fucking misrepresentation of what he in fact said.

In case you don't for some reason want to think at all,
scott gave away posts and when i am talking about Cava it also means i am okay with Kelsier.

I don't really understand why i should talk about Kelsier if i don't find anything wrong with him?
Am i also scum because i haven't talked about GlowingBear?


I knew about all those I just wanted to see if you were paying attention.

My post was written AS READ, ie: by the time I quoted your post you were complaining about having no read and at exactly that time you hadn't commented on the people you mentioned. You later did, but all th epost you quoted come AFTER the post where you're complaining that there's nothing to talk about.

Which is weird, but also a bit meh.

Like I don't particularly want to lynch you as of now (I'm a bit farther along).

I think the stuff you mentioned about Obi misrepresenting Kelsier is probably not relevant, even if it seems correct. I just think it's more of an accidental thing rather than intentional.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 25 2015 18:27 GMT
#319
On July 26 2015 03:22 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 03:18 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 26 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:
On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:
On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:
On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:
This is kinda scummy.

On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop.


On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read.


The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling.

On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:
[quote]

he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^

guys!

guys! guys!

listen to me...

lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think?

-fades back into the ether-


This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something.

On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!

Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu


This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know.

Speak of the devil.

Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner."

Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here.


Shut up


Lol I think palmar is town

I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia?

I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation.

I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him.



If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed?

Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads?


well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct.

@snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself

On July 26 2015 01:59 Snickers wrote:
lol youve done so much scummy shit


On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself

let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing


and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it

On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else


On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again.


the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy.

GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid



Tell me what's stupid in them.
Also, tell me why stupidity is a sign that I'm Mafia.


for you it's not
I'd still lynch you though


Meh, you're Mafia.
##Vote: KelsierSC


No, he's probably not.

Sure I could be wrong, but Kelsier is not going to be lynched today.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 25 2015 18:29 GMT
#321
Clarity also complained about people not posting when his filter was probably less than 100 words or something super short. He has not given anything valuable yet.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 25 2015 18:31 GMT
#324
On July 26 2015 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote:
On July 26 2015 03:22 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 26 2015 03:18 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 26 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:
On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:
On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:
[quote]
Speak of the devil.

Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner."

Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here.


Shut up


Lol I think palmar is town

I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia?

I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation.

I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him.



If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed?

Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads?


well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct.

@snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself

On July 26 2015 01:59 Snickers wrote:
lol youve done so much scummy shit


On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself

let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing


and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it

On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else


On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again.


the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy.

GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid



Tell me what's stupid in them.
Also, tell me why stupidity is a sign that I'm Mafia.


for you it's not
I'd still lynch you though


Meh, you're Mafia.
##Vote: KelsierSC


No, he's probably not.

Sure I could be wrong, but Kelsier is not going to be lynched today.


Give me one good reason. The post you quoted doesn't make him town at all.


He ended a dumb tangent with someone (snickers?) instead of using it as an excuse to talk more shit.
His conversation with scott made him look ok.
He's talking and being not useless.

There are (as I mentioned before) some tone reasons to possibly think he might be mafia (he seems overly annoyed at just about everything), but I'm not sure I want to lynch him based on that.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 25 2015 18:38 GMT
#330
On July 26 2015 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote:
I knew about all those I just wanted to see if you were paying attention.

My post was written AS READ, ie: by the time I quoted your post you were complaining about having no read and at exactly that time you hadn't commented on the people you mentioned. You later did, but all th epost you quoted come AFTER the post where you're complaining that there's nothing to talk about.

I think the stuff you mentioned about Obi misrepresenting Kelsier is probably not relevant, even if it seems correct. I just think it's more of an accidental thing rather than intentional.

I am a bit puzzled by you saying the bolded if you did the underlined (which you most probably did - i figured that out).
Like the first sentence just doesn't fit there, it sounds really weird.

And yeah i think Cava is town.

The first sentence refers to the time where I wrote the "that's just blatantly false" post. At that time I had read along and knew you later would comment on some of the people I had originally complained you didn't talk about.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 25 2015 18:42 GMT
#332
On July 26 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 02:32 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:
It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with.
After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both.

bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me.

scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly

On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far.


considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum?


This post is SO bad.
It's an overreaction AND a deflection. Reeks scum


Palmar, address to this.
This + him constantly being annoyed that people are wasting his posts + wanting to lynch me because he doesn't like me, then saying it's because I'm stupid, then admitting that being stupid doesn't make me Mafia but still willing to lynch me is very scummy to me.


I just don't think it's as relevant as you do. But I haven't actually gone back and reread Kelsier so maybe I'll come away with a different perspective when and if I do.

Like the conversation isn't all that difficult to follow. Yes it's a slight overreaction (scott probably didn't mean it in the way Kelsier took it) but meeehhhh....

maybe I'm wrong, who knows.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 25 2015 22:25 GMT
#376
On July 26 2015 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
It confuses me when people give Rayn town passes over mostly nothing

He gets special treatment because I just cba arguing him to be scum unless I'm sure. It's such a pain in the ass to try to do it.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 09:22 GMT
#450
On July 26 2015 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:
On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:
This is kinda scummy.

On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop.


On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read.


The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling.

On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:
On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes

but guys, guys, guys...

rayn is scuuum ^^


he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^

guys!

guys! guys!

listen to me...

lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think?

-fades back into the ether-


This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something.

On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!

Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu


This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know.

Speak of the devil.

Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner."

Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here.

Here is why FirmTofu is mafia.
Especially the underlined part is something that is impossible for a townie to believe is true.


This makes FirmTofu dumb and bad. I don't know if it makes him mafia.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 09:23 GMT
#451
It's a goddamn weekend. Why can't you guys get organized and do useful stuff without me?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 09:37 GMT
#455
Like if we're lynching people for doing dumb shit we would have to lynch half the town, so I don't know if we should use that as a parameter. I'm really struggling with some posts to try to determine if they're from mafia or just lazy/apathetic/bad townies.

Also I'm tempted to lynch scott for this:

On July 26 2015 07:13 scott31337 wrote:
Scotty's shitty spreadsheet at the moment -

1 KelsierSC null - questioned me on the VT claim, but it felt weird how he did it.
2 FirmTofu null/scumlean - little posting, nothing sticks out.
3 Onegu named town no CC, going after rsolutin for being angry too early, but she doesn't seem that angry (scummy angry) YET.
4 Snickers others like him but I don't see why? (notably Clarity, rsoul) Calls me mafia - suspicious
5 raynpelikoneet Started off good but has faided, slight town lean
6 Clarity_nl null / slight scum? Wants to lynch me
7 boxerfred Nothing special, six posts of meh - scumlean
8 ObiWanShinobi Didn't see scum motivation from his post to me - little posting - null
9 rsoultin Slight townlean, not too angry - keep an eye to see if she does the magic trick if not just lynch D4.
10 GlowingBear second part d1 looking better, not too angry either - asking townie questions - townlean
11 Palmar townlean for a Palmar d1 day.
12 scott31337 town
13 Hopeless1der scumlean, first post was bad - but suspicious/scummy voters on him so need to watch for that.


He claims to be using a spreadsheet to help him determine people's alignments, but some of the stuff here is just complete fucking bullshit and 100% made up. Like I don't believe anyone who keeps a spreadsheet would do it in this way. Also check this out, detective Palmar is on the case:

Things that bother me about the format of this thing:

  • I would have removed the numbers in front of the names (these are exactly from the playerlist)
  • There is no progression in the reads. This was all clearly written in a single sitting as evidenced by Glowingbear's commentary about his second part d1 looking better.


However on the other hand this is clearly copy pasted from a spreadsheet so if he is lying about using a spreadsheet he at least opened up google docs or something and pasted this in.

meeeeeeeehhhhhh~~~~

Maybe I should give him a pass based on that?

Don't know, it actually feels like I should.

It's so bad though...


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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 09:38 GMT
#456
On July 26 2015 18:31 Snickers wrote:
if people would like to tell me why boxer isnt mafia and give actual reasoning that would be really nice.


I think he might be, there was a serious tone thing in one of his posts. But I haven't played with him before, maybe he's just timid in general.

Gonna have to re-read
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 19:08 GMT
#515
On July 26 2015 21:38 rsoultin wrote:

and tofu's push on palmar was horrible. it's not a bad lynch. it could be a wrong lynch. i'm hoping palmar can articulate why he doesn't want to pull the trigger on it


Everything you say is essentially correct and the bolded basically answers your own question. I feel there is a very real possibility he is just a baddie.

Although maybe I should worry less about that and just lynch him for saying stuff that makes no sense.

Im also heavily considering lynching clarity
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 19:17 GMT
#522
This kelsier case is actually good
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 19:20 GMT
#525
I think we lynch one of clarity kelsier and scott.

I would love to lynch ft for being awful... But it feels like a revenge lynch to me
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 19:23 GMT
#527
Yeah for now im gonna vote clarity

I need to run but will be back before the deadline
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 19:30 GMT
#540
On July 27 2015 04:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 04:23 Palmar wrote:
Yeah for now im gonna vote clarity

I need to run but will be back before the deadline


Why?
I feel like I've asked like 3459863498 times but nobody has answered me.

Because he's not trying to solve the game or really helping much at all

And unlike FT I know he's not awful.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 19:31 GMT
#543
Btw after some more consideration I will only vote kelsier or clarity today
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 19:33 GMT
#547
On July 27 2015 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
goddamn Palmar. At least comment on what i said about FT?!?!?

why is noone i expect to play is playing?

Without going back and re -reading I think everything you said was both essentially correct and could alternatively be explained by FT being a dumbass
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 19:48 GMT
#570
On July 27 2015 04:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you're shit at reading Palmar but i am wrong on him?

If you think it's possible I'm mafia when I'm tryharding like this as town you're also shit at reading me
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 20:32 GMT
#624
Mehh I don't really care.

Logically I shouldn't fight FT's lynch. If he is even a remotely viable human being he is definitely mafia because his entire storyline regarding me is trash and bullshit.

I'm just not sure he is a viable human being.

So whatever. I think clarity has a better chance of flipping scum and my vote stays there, but I'm not gonna defend FT when the only defense to be made for him is "he barely counts as a sentient life-form".
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 20:33 GMT
#626
On July 27 2015 05:32 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 05:30 Snickers wrote:
so firm is probably getting modkilled great.

Wait why?

You're not, snickers is bad.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 20:37 GMT
#630
On July 27 2015 05:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, lynch Scott
Or, if you want to do the correct thing, lynch keksier

I'd much rather lynch kelsier than scott.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 20:44 GMT
#637
On July 27 2015 05:43 KelsierSC wrote:
This game makes me sad

lynch me if you want

You're not helping yourself.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 20:48 GMT
#639
List post, because I feel like it:

Probably town:

GB
Snickers

Maybe town:

rayn
Onegu
Hopeless
scott
rsoultin

meh:

Obi
Firmtofu

maybe scum:

kelsier
boxerfred
clarity


Disclaimer: I always, always, always miss like 1 mafia who I think is town for some shitty reason.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 20:50 GMT
#645
On July 27 2015 05:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, can you tell me why Scott is probably town?

He used excel

#insightfulreads
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 20:51 GMT
#647
On July 27 2015 05:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Technically I know you're not DRASTICALLY opposed to it but I think my reasoning is pretty great.

I've said like a million fucking times why I don't think FT is gonna flip mafia.

I mean sure he might, maybe I'm underestimating him!
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 20:53 GMT
#648
Like technically I'm okay with you guys lynching FT so one of the following scenarios happen:

1) he flips mafia, yay!
2) he flips town, I can call all of you bad AND he gets punished for his shitty push on me.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 21:06 GMT
#660
On July 27 2015 05:55 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 05:53 Palmar wrote:
Like technically I'm okay with you guys lynching FT so one of the following scenarios happen:

1) he flips mafia, yay!
2) he flips town, I can call all of you bad AND he gets punished for his shitty push on me.


Let's do better:

Who do you think would be the best lynch today and why?

clarity

Because he is not a dumbass and he is not trying to solve the game.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 21:57 GMT
#699
I think a scott switch would be unadvisable.

Tofu is fine for bads
Clarity is fine for mafia
Kelsier is fine for maybe mafia

Anything else is meeeehhhh.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 21:58 GMT
#704
##give 5 posts to GB

I think I have enough
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 21:59 GMT
#706
On July 27 2015 06:58 FirmTofu wrote:
What's happening? Are we lynching me or clarity or scott? People be confusing me.

Probably you.

Never again call my useful posts useless if you're town.

That's how you get lynched.

Just because something is over your head doesn't mean it's not valid.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 22:18 GMT
#716
I guess he's not a complete imbecile!

yay us!
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 26 2015 22:49 GMT
#740
On July 27 2015 07:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I think I'm just going to chill for a bit and rethink things.

I'm trying to solve everything at once and it's probably not necessary. Lynching off the FT wagon is probably the best course of action.

There is exactly 1 mafia on the wagon and 1 off it.

Or maybe not.

But i wouldn't be surprised.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 27 2015 09:33 GMT
#769
On July 27 2015 15:50 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm really suspicious of Palmar. Him saying that he would lynch Kelsier and clarity over tofu but not being very much against it raises some red flags. His hammer on tofu doesn't align to his discourse.


List of people desperately trying to get votes onto someone else at the deadline, ending up voting that scott over FT:

Glowingbear

List of people who were worried about FT being just awful, but recognized it was the better wagon than scott:

Palmar


You're a moron and I hope you're mafia. I have no idea if you are, but now I hope you are.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 27 2015 09:39 GMT
#770
I still don't think scott is mafia btw. Almost everything else in my standings works.

Kelsier stays in shit tier for trying to ninja switch to scott. He had no way of knowing I would ninja onto FT and thus he thought his attempted vote was going to be the swing vote to lynch scott over FT.

Glowingbear takes a big drop for making the journey from reasonable to insane.

Obi gets a small raise.

Updated list:

[QUOTE]On July 27 2015 05:48 Palmar wrote:
List post, because I feel like it:

Probably town:

Snickers
rayn

Maybe town:

Onegu
Hopeless
scott
rsoultin
Obi

meh:

Glowingbear

maybe scum:

kelsier
boxerfred
clarity

Scum:

Firmtofu

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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 27 2015 18:42 GMT
#795
Fuck you rayn
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 27 2015 21:32 GMT
#813
rsoultin many caps.

maybe mafia.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 27 2015 22:06 GMT
#821
good shot mafia. Thanks for that.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 00:00 GMT
#863
On July 28 2015 08:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 08:52 Snickers wrote:
no but he said he thought he was lol

##vote:GlowingBear


Ok, why am I mafia?

##vote Glowingbear

Because my red check said so.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 00:23 GMT
#870
On July 28 2015 09:17 rsoultin wrote:
2/80

...

meh -_-

i really don't think he's scum, is the problem. like, i still think this is unlikely to come from a scummate as soon as ft enters the game?

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 11:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't think you're playing?


^ GB should have known FT was playing if they were scum together?

i kinda think maybe he's a miller? cause i kinda think palmar doesn't fake-claim cop here?

Found the other mafia!
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 00:46 GMT
#879
scott and snickers are as good as confirmed townies.

My check is fake.

The only people who would react to a cop check by immediately trying to defend a possible miller after lynching the mafia framer on day 1 are those who suffer of a serious case of TMI. All the normal townies just say "yay, red check, go us!", as evidenced by most people's reactions.

This makes rsoultin mafia. Every time.

Also she was rayn's #1 scumread anyway so if you don't believe my reasoning read rayn's.

##vote rsoultin
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 00:47 GMT
#880
On July 28 2015 09:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 09:00 Palmar wrote:
On July 28 2015 08:54 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 28 2015 08:52 Snickers wrote:
no but he said he thought he was lol

##vote:GlowingBear


Ok, why am I mafia?

##vote Glowingbear

Because my red check said so.


Delicious to have you have you fake claiming like this

You might still be mafia.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 00:47 GMT
#881
On July 28 2015 09:47 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 09:44 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 28 2015 09:00 Palmar wrote:
On July 28 2015 08:54 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 28 2015 08:52 Snickers wrote:
no but he said he thought he was lol

##vote:GlowingBear


Ok, why am I mafia?

##vote Glowingbear

Because my red check said so.


Delicious to have you have you fake claiming like this

You might still be mafia.

Cause this response is super weird.

Meh, don't care. rsoultin is 100% mafia so vote her. We can lynch you later.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 00:55 GMT
#887
On July 28 2015 09:48 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 09:46 Palmar wrote:
scott and snickers are as good as confirmed townies.

My check is fake.

The only people who would react to a cop check by immediately trying to defend a possible miller after lynching the mafia framer on day 1 are those who suffer of a serious case of TMI. All the normal townies just say "yay, red check, go us!", as evidenced by most people's reactions.

This makes rsoultin mafia. Every time.

Also she was rayn's #1 scumread anyway so if you don't believe my reasoning read rayn's.

##vote rsoultin


5/80

your reasoning is retarded

if you've got a fucking red check on a townie i'm gonna play along with it as scum. why the hell wouldn't i? -_-

go to bed. you clearly need the sleep if your reasoning is this fucked


You don't have to be mad

It'll all be over soon

You wouldn't because the being right impulse is so strong.

Why didn't scott and snickers consider the miller possibility?

Because they are townies. They're hungry for information and take whatever scraps thrown at them.

Now die.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 00:56 GMT
#888
On July 28 2015 09:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, if I'm Mafia and I see a red check on a townie, I will instantly jump on the wagon and disrupt any further discussion.

Which means your argument here is WIFOM for both sides

No, rsoultin is mafia.

No townie thinks this way. No way.

Also rayn said she was mafia. Let's not ignore town hero rayn!
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 00:57 GMT
#889
On July 28 2015 09:53 GlowingBear wrote:
Followed by my top scum read scott

There is literally no way that this is a mafia response to a red check on a "townie"

On July 28 2015 09:01 scott31337 wrote:
Fucking Mafiabear I knew it


If he's mafia he immediately knows I'm fakeclaiming. He posts this within 1 minute of me posting my post. There is no way he considered the scenario so fast. That was a genuine post by scott.

I will NEVER lynch him this game.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 01:00 GMT
#893
On July 28 2015 09:59 rsoultin wrote:
6/80

so when i flip town, what then, palmar?

you're saying i can't critically think about a claim as town? i have to be mafia? i really thought my reason for townreading gb was pretty damn solid and still do

Die evil mafia
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 01:01 GMT
#895
On July 28 2015 10:00 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 09:57 Palmar wrote:
On July 28 2015 09:53 GlowingBear wrote:
Followed by my top scum read scott

There is literally no way that this is a mafia response to a red check on a "townie"

On July 28 2015 09:01 scott31337 wrote:
Fucking Mafiabear I knew it


If he's mafia he immediately knows I'm fakeclaiming. He posts this within 1 minute of me posting my post. There is no way he considered the scenario so fast. That was a genuine post by scott.

I will NEVER lynch him this game.


Exactly, he knows you're fake claiming or you checked a Miller.

He guarantees a mislynch + when I flip town he goes against you if you're mafia.

Way better than trying to think about the claim

It's the timeframe that matters. He didn't reach that conclusion in 60 secs.

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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 01:02 GMT
#896
On July 28 2015 10:01 GlowingBear wrote:
EBWOP: if you're town*

He guarantees TWO mislynches if he supports your claim.

Uh no. Only if hr knows you're not miller
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 01:04 GMT
#898
I cba arguing with mafia. Ignoring anyone called rsoultin or glowingbear. I'll respond to other people
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 01:04 GMT
#900
On July 28 2015 10:02 GlowingBear wrote:
The fact that you're relying on rayn's read on her is very suspicious, I must say.

Do you know why Rayn called rsoultin Mafia in the first place?

No I have no idea and I don't particularly care
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 01:06 GMT
#901
I can't believe you're actually both mafia but this page heavily suggests you might be
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 14:00 GMT
#1016
On July 28 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Points on Palmar are basically this:

1) Soft defending Firm Tofu without actually having any strong scum reads he advocated for


At the time I was kinda suspicious of scott, but yeah I didn't really have a strong alternative.

I have an inherent bias (as very clearly evidenced here) to assume that mafia people generally try not to pick a fight with me on day 1. When presented with FT's attacks on me I had two options:

1) He's mafia, thinks he can get away with calling me scum for bs reasons.

2) He's just a dumbass townie

I simply overthought the problem. I was certain no one would be dumb enough to actually go after me like that on day 1, so I kinda wifom'd myself into thinking he had to be town because it'd be too risky to do exactly what I did. I probably need to drop this line of thought from my play in the future and assume mafia are just as likely to go after me as any other player, especially now that I play more casually than I did in the past.

Here's a quote from myself showing a similar line of thought:

On May 04 2013 07:14 Palmar wrote:
I'm not as up to date on the remaing six BC. I think WoS might be town based on effort alone, and TRN is pretty damn ballsy to go after me on n1 mason (if you assume I'm town). He couldn't have known (as scum) that I wouldn't put any effort into the following days, so it's more likely he wanted to buddy up with me as town.

I'm reading Sharrant atm, but feel free to throw out thoughts as you go.


Thankfully rayn was here, completely disconnected from the situation (FT wasn't attacking him) and thus had a more objective viewpoint and lead town to a good lynch.

On July 28 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote:
2) Having a town read on Kelsier early game, agrees to lynch him based on a case he didn't properly analyse that contained points I've pointed out earlier that he dismissed just to call Kelsier town.


I never voted for him or pushed for his lynch. He was clearly a secondary candidate to Clarity.

If you go back and check my filter I mention probably several times that there exist valid tone reasons to doubt KelsierSC being town. I never had a strong town read on him, I simply had a "would not lynch" read. These aren't really the same thing, especially on day 1. He was attempting to contribute and getting into arguments, even if the main point of your case, and my worries back on day 1, the fact he was so annoyed, were still troubling.

Your case kinda summarized all the reasons to think he's mafia and thinking you were town at the time I kind of just rolled with it.

Also, part of early thinking he was town was if I recall based on interactions with scott, who gradually started to look more town throughout the day.[/QUOTE]

On July 28 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote:
3) Wanting to lynch Clarity for he was the best lynch candidate. Completely forgetting him today just to go against Clarity's main pusher rsoultin.


I haven't forgotten about clarity. I just think he's being genuine here:

On July 27 2015 22:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
Welp irl is shit and everything is shit. If there's a vigi they should shoot me as it doesn't look like I'll get the chance to play properly. I gtg


I don't think he's the kind of player that pulls this as an excuse to lurk as mafia. I might be wrong and we shouldn't discount the possibility, but I don't really want to lynch him today. This is more of a meta/personality assumption and I would absolutely not be opposed to him being checked/shot because he's not contributing anything to the thread.

Maybe I'm overthinking things again? Who knows?

On July 28 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote:
4) Basing his read on rsoultin out of bad reaction testing that resulted in WIFOM conclusion. Also, basing his read on rsoultin out of Rayn's scumread on her. It's opportunistic because (i)Rayn also scum read Palmar and he doesn't take it in consideration. He does not consider that Rayn was wrong on him (if he was town) and could be wrong on rsoultin, also. And (ii) it's a very easy reason to get behind a lynch, to hide himself behind a dead confirmed townie's read. Too comfortable for mafia


rayn is a good player who is, just like everyone else, sometimes wrong and sometimes right.

He was right on FT
He's wrong on me
He might be right on rsoultin?

Why would I take into any consideration the fact he was wrong on me? That has literally nothing to do with whether or not he's right on rsoultin.

And I'm not really hiding behind it, I'm just pointing out he wanted to kill her. It's not the main reason I want to lynch her. I want to lynch her because I do not believe a townie would act the way she did.

On July 28 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote:
5) Palmar has no fucking original scumread. All he does is rehashing what other people say


That's the best way to play mafia. Take the credit for other people's ideas.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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July 28 2015 14:18 GMT
#1017
I'm gonna keep doing terrible things people should never do in mafia because I feel like it. Now I'm gonna go find mafia in FT's filter which is literally the dumbest thing anyone can do.

Glowingbear gets 1 scumpoint for asking the scum a "cheap" question and not following up:

On July 26 2015 02:50 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 02:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 26 2015 02:47 FirmTofu wrote:
Just a disclaimer, I haven't read or played in the most recent games here(and I'm not going to) so I'll probably just focus on cold, hard scumreads for day 1. Don't ask me to catch up on the meta because that's never going to happen. I was going through all the claims so far I'll just briefly comment on the one I didn't like most.


On July 25 2015 07:37 Palmar wrote:
Hi i ROLLED MAfia so I'm gonna just chill.


Palmar claims mafia and has a skimpy filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490661-mini-mafia-down-under-3?user=Palmar

On July 25 2015 09:56 Palmar wrote:
I'll maybe play tomorrow.


He says he might play tomorrow, implying that he isn't going to shit today. Seriously? What a waste of space.

##Vote: Palmar


What about other people?

To be honest, I'm still trying to wrap my head around all the posts discussing meta and previous games. Once I get through all that, I'll jump into the current discussion.


Kelsier gets 1 townpoint for the mafia actively trying to explain something to him:

On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:
On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:
On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:
This is kinda scummy.

On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop.


On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read.


The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling.

On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:
On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes

but guys, guys, guys...

rayn is scuuum ^^


he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^

guys!

guys! guys!

listen to me...

lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think?

-fades back into the ether-


This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something.

On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!

Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu


This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know.

Speak of the devil.

Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner."

Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here.


Shut up


Lol I think palmar is town

I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia?

I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation.

I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him.



If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed?

Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads?


Snickers gets 1 townpoint for prompting the mafia to do something (he came back 5 minutes later and announced GB was asking enough questions for his liking).

On July 26 2015 03:13 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 03:11 Snickers wrote:
On July 26 2015 03:08 FirmTofu wrote:
I think its painfully obvious that Palmar's posts are reflective of mafia trying to appear like they're contributing instead of actually contributing.

If you read his posts, you'll see that he hasn't asked a single person a question, meaning he isn't trying to actually find mafia. In my mafia games, I find that people who just keep posting scumreads and townreads are usually mafia because they fill their filter with useless shit that masquerades as substance.


i felt the same way about gb posts but maybe i am forgetful

Give me a sec, I'll look into his filter and get back to you on that.


boxer gets a scumpoint for being the mafia's secondary lynch he never talks about again:

On July 26 2015 03:42 FirmTofu wrote:
Just looked into boxer. He has a trash 6 post filter. I wouldn't mind lynching him either.


I wonder if he listed 3 townies? 2 townies? when he said this:

On July 27 2015 04:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Calling this game now. Mafia team is Clarity, scott, and Kelsier. It's just so perfect.


Additionally, he never mentions Onegu and rsoultin. He interacts extensively with rayn who is town and me who I know to be town. He barely talks to OWS (who is in my mind rapidly dropping into scum territory the more i read).

Not really sure what to make of all this. I guess the only real point I'm taking is that it reinforces my Snickers townread (who along with scott is best townies). Boxer is more on the map than before too, so is OWS.
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July 28 2015 14:29 GMT
#1020
On July 28 2015 23:23 Snickers wrote:
who do you want to lynch today palmar?

idk, probably rsoultin but maybe gb or ows. But I'm not quite sure yet. I'm reading stuff and being useless atm
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July 28 2015 14:29 GMT
#1021
On July 28 2015 23:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Palmar, elaborate a bit more on your rso read for me pls.

...

There is nothing to elaborate on.

Are you not reading thread?
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July 28 2015 14:33 GMT
#1022
Next up on the terrible list:

Palmar's shitty reads based on literally nothing!


Shitty read #1:

Scott is town

On July 28 2015 09:00 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 08:54 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 28 2015 08:52 Snickers wrote:
no but he said he thought he was lol

##vote:GlowingBear


Ok, why am I mafia?

##vote Glowingbear

Because my red check said so.


On July 28 2015 09:01 scott31337 wrote:
Fucking Mafiabear I knew it


The important part here is the timing. Remember that if scott is mafia he sees my post and immediately thinks "wait a minute, that's not right" because he knows it's not (unless he's a scumbuddy with GB but that's a stretch...). I genuinely believe that his response was an impulsive, genuine one, not a calculated "It's best for me to go along with this".

I believe if he was mafia, even if he was going to agree with it, it would have taken a longer time to write the response. Something like this one actually.

On July 28 2015 09:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 09:00 Palmar wrote:
On July 28 2015 08:54 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 28 2015 08:52 Snickers wrote:
no but he said he thought he was lol

##vote:GlowingBear


Ok, why am I mafia?

##vote Glowingbear

Because my red check said so.


:o
Noice.


Notice the random smiley and the strangely spelled "Nice" (yes I know it's a common thing...). This is not a genuine reaction like scott's was. Scott was, at that moment, very happy with what just happened and he simply blurted out the first thing he thought.

I'm not saying OWS is mafia just because of this, but his response in no way gives me the any indication he's town because it's constructed. It might be town constructed, but it's not impulsive and that is all that matters.

Scott's chance of being mafia is like 1%.

Shitty read #2:

Snickers is town

On July 27 2015 05:29 FirmTofu wrote:
Also, I'm The Anangu (Town Vanilla), if anyone cares.


On July 27 2015 05:30 Snickers wrote:
so firm is probably getting modkilled great.


Another example of an instant, impulsive reaction. If snickers is mafia with FT then he knows it's a fake claim and doesn't even consider the possibility that it might be a modkillable offense. The simple fact that his mind came up with the idea, within 1 minute of FT's post, that posting the role like that would lead to FT being modkilled is extremely important.

This means snickers BELIEVED that FT had posted the real role PM, and I highly doubt this was a planned play by them two. This simply means that Snickers thought FT had posted the vanilla town role pm, and thus he clearly was not aware FT was mafia at this time. This means snickers can never be mafia this game.
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July 28 2015 14:43 GMT
#1024
The AWOLs and why we shouldn't lynch them.

Clarity and Onegu

Unfortunately we have two people not participating in the game. Both of those players are prime vigilante targets.

But the most important part is that there is no reason to actively really believe that either of them is mafia. We have no flipped blue roles so there's no real reason to doubt that Onegu is named townie, and while I wanted to lynch clarity yesterday for not contributing, his post tonight and the fact that HTS is looking for a replacement for this game probably means he's telling the truth that he can't play. It's a bit shitty I guess to talk about it, but it's the next thread to this one...

If time constraints stop him from contributing, that fully explains my main gripe with him, which was that clarity is a good player who is not trying to solve the game. Solving the game is much harder when you don't have time to solve the game.

So yeah, unless someone can bring up a real reason why one of the two is mafia, we're basically taking the easy way out by lynching them. If they happen to be town it'll be an idle lynch on a lurker, and I generally don't like those after day 1.

Like I'm not kidding about clarity, the reason I wanted to lynch him was I had just played with him in voice mafia where he was insightful, talkative and very committed to winning as a townie, and then there's literally nothing this game. But this is 100% explained by simply being absent this game.

It sucks, and if he's mafia I'm basically giving him a lurker pass for nothing, but I don't want to lynch him today.

Check/Shoot. Use the lynch on someone who might at least respond.
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Palmar
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July 28 2015 14:54 GMT
#1026
This leaves my current pool of lynch candidates looking like this:

rsoultin
GlowingBear
KelsierSC
boxerfred
Hopeless1der
ObiWanShinobi


There are likely 2 mafia in this group. Cliff notes on each one PRIOR TO FILTERS/RE-READING (so this is all subject to change). Think of this as mental notes I have about each player.

rsoultin

Scum: I still don't believe a townie reacts by instantly thinking miller. rayn also wanted to lynch her and rayn is sometimes right.

Town: She had actually talked about the GB is town because of her "shitty read", before I claimed the check. This slightly weakens my reaction accusation and also shows she is at least trying to have reads.

GlowingBear

Scum: voted incorrectly yesterday, is wrong on everything today and wants to kill me.

Town: voted incorrectly yesterday, is wrong on everything today and wants to kill me.

See... he's going after me which might be risky if he's mafia (although this logic failed me yesterday). Also he's being blatantly wrong on everything it feels, and is being a stubborn, cocky asshole about it, which is somewhat a townie attitude.

meh... I probably don't really want to lynch him.

KelsierSC

Feels very background-y. I don't feel like he has done much at all after early day 1. The tone thing that I and GB both pointed out yesterday still bothers me.

Still there are also some reasons I think he might be town.

Undecided

boxerfred

I've said multiple times in mafia that the players I ignore tend to be mafia. If this is true, boxerfred is always mafia. I can hardly remember anything he has posted this game, which means it's been mostly boring and/or useless.

This is gonna be a really good filter for me to read

OWS

I've also ignored him a bit, and he's done literally nothing. I seem to recall having a weak toneread for thinking he's town early on day 1, although I can't remember what it is, and since then I feel like he has had very little strong opinions and just kind of asks idle questions and goes wherever the wind blows.

Hopeless1der

Almost in the lurker category. I can't even remember why I decided to back off him yesterday, but I felt like it was a good idea at the time. Until I read him that remains the position I hold.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 14:55 GMT
#1027
I'm off for now, I'll do verdicts on some of the players in this list at some point when I feel like it (tonight or tomorrow).
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 15:04 GMT
#1029
Wow all this hate.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 15:04 GMT
#1030
Althought the hate does sound kinda townie

meeehhhhhhh~~~~~~~~
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 17:58 GMT
#1043
On July 29 2015 02:42 boxerfred wrote:
Oh, good catch! Missed that.

Hm, I read your post on Palmar with a "oh GB's a scumread of me, don't care too much" mindset. Hm. After rereading, I think those are strong points. However, my case on you is strong, too.

Okay. So for today and for me, it's clarity or Palmar lynch, nothing else. If Palmar flips town though, I'd go after GB in an instant.

This is terrible (or mafia).

Because I haven't re-read Boxer I'm just gonna assume terrible for now (this could change).

You're basically drawing an associative read between me and GB. If you genuinely think GB is town and that his case on me is valid, me flipping town should not change any of that. In fact, by that same logic if I flip town you should want to lynch yourself based on you being just as wrong as GB, and that's retarded.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 17:59 GMT
#1044
On July 29 2015 02:45 boxerfred wrote:
15/80

Show nested quote +
boxerfred

I've said multiple times in mafia that the players I ignore tend to be mafia. If this is true, boxerfred is always mafia. I can hardly remember anything he has posted this game, which means it's been mostly boring and/or useless.

This is gonna be a really good filter for me to read


This is bullshit, Palmar. I did two huge posts that should be at least memorable.

Maybe they should!

I did not deny you having written things. I've just (for some reason) not read anything you've said. This could be because of me or you, I don't know.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 23:19 GMT
#1080
On July 29 2015 06:34 GlowingBear wrote:
SHUT UP RIGHT NOW!!!!

I'VE DECIDED!

WE ARE NOT LYNCHING CLARITY AND WE ARE LYNCHING PALMAR.

Seriously, I just realised that no matter who is scum, clarity is a scum driven wagon

We are not lynching clarity anyway, and preferably we don't lynch me either.

Your posting today indicates you might be town, you seem to genuinely believe that I must be mafia because reasons. This is a massive problem because you're being destructive at the moment.

I know this shit happens all the time. The only way people are not suspicious of me day 2 is when I both lead and nail the lynch on day 1, and even then people still want to lynch me. This is based on some weird perception that my scumgame is actually something to be feared.

Like the reason I waffled on Firmtofu was the most genuine Palmar-reason ever. Only I have such a big ego that I think mafia are all afraid to take me on day 1 and would rather either pocket me or ignore me. Like that is essentially why I thought FT was more likely to be dumbass than mafia, even with all evidence pointing to him being scum.

My indecisiveness is very much demonstrated in these posts:

On July 27 2015 04:08 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 21:38 rsoultin wrote:

and tofu's push on palmar was horrible. it's not a bad lynch. it could be a wrong lynch. i'm hoping palmar can articulate why he doesn't want to pull the trigger on it


Everything you say is essentially correct and the bolded basically answers your own question. I feel there is a very real possibility he is just a baddie.

Although maybe I should worry less about that and just lynch him for saying stuff that makes no sense.



On July 27 2015 05:32 Palmar wrote:
Mehh I don't really care.

Logically I shouldn't fight FT's lynch. If he is even a remotely viable human being he is definitely mafia because his entire storyline regarding me is trash and bullshit.

I'm just not sure he is a viable human being.

So whatever. I think clarity has a better chance of flipping scum and my vote stays there, but I'm not gonna defend FT when the only defense to be made for him is "he barely counts as a sentient life-form".


And also by the fact that I ended up shutting down an alternative wagon on scott and voting FT just to make sure he'd get lynched.

But yeah, you need to reconsider your priorities GB. I kinda maybe think you're town and I don't really want to lynch you today. Don't let the fear of some super scum play blind you from simple analysis. My scumgame is not particularly complex, and I'm being super transparent this game. Like I'm actually, for once, putting work into explaining everything I do from the moment I started contributing to the game.

Read my filter again without the scum-tinted glasses and see if it makes sense.

You actually have a chance of making a good play here, but it's going to require you to be like... not shit.
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July 28 2015 23:19 GMT
#1081
On July 29 2015 06:54 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity would have been a fine lynch yesterday and is a good lynch today

"forming quickly" is stupid

Name me one reason why we should lynch clarity that cannot be explained by "he can't play the game".
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 28 2015 23:23 GMT
#1082
I'm sticking my vote on hopeless mostly by PoE at the moment. It's not really a decisive vote until I actually re-read him.

The remaining candidates are really:

OWS
Kelsier
boxer
rsoultin
Hopeless

and I'm sort of leaning towards not lynching rsoultin based on the fact (that I missed before) she already had a strong "shitty read" on GB. It makes her much more consistent.

Although rayn is literally going to punch me in the balls if she's mafia and I let her out of this.

I don't like being punched in the balls.

meh
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July 28 2015 23:33 GMT
#1085
On July 29 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2015 08:19 Palmar wrote:
On July 29 2015 06:54 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity would have been a fine lynch yesterday and is a good lynch today

"forming quickly" is stupid

Name me one reason why we should lynch clarity that cannot be explained by "he can't play the game".


I was responding to GB's comment that clarity can't be scum because the "wagon" formed too quickly. Clarity did play scummy rsoul, myself and others gave reasons why he had been scummy. then he didn't post anything. So it wouldn't have been a bad lynch and the fact it formed quickly is irrelevant to his alignment.


Do you disagree with the reasoning I laid out here:

On July 28 2015 23:43 Palmar wrote:
The AWOLs and why we shouldn't lynch them.

Clarity and Onegu

Unfortunately we have two people not participating in the game. Both of those players are prime vigilante targets.

But the most important part is that there is no reason to actively really believe that either of them is mafia. We have no flipped blue roles so there's no real reason to doubt that Onegu is named townie, and while I wanted to lynch clarity yesterday for not contributing, his post tonight and the fact that HTS is looking for a replacement for this game probably means he's telling the truth that he can't play. It's a bit shitty I guess to talk about it, but it's the next thread to this one...

If time constraints stop him from contributing, that fully explains my main gripe with him, which was that clarity is a good player who is not trying to solve the game. Solving the game is much harder when you don't have time to solve the game.

So yeah, unless someone can bring up a real reason why one of the two is mafia, we're basically taking the easy way out by lynching them. If they happen to be town it'll be an idle lynch on a lurker, and I generally don't like those after day 1.

Like I'm not kidding about clarity, the reason I wanted to lynch him was I had just played with him in voice mafia where he was insightful, talkative and very committed to winning as a townie, and then there's literally nothing this game. But this is 100% explained by simply being absent this game.

It sucks, and if he's mafia I'm basically giving him a lurker pass for nothing, but I don't want to lynch him today.

Check/Shoot. Use the lynch on someone who might at least respond.


I agree it sucks. I still think it's a bad lynch. hopefully he'll just get modkilled for failing to vote by the end of the cycle and the problem goes away on itself.

On July 29 2015 08:27 Snickers wrote:
its prty weird how palmar has so many posts to use as "references"

its also weird just how he goes about presenting them


I don't know what you mean with posts as references. I think I have plenty of posts left because I actually kind of consolidate my posts a bit.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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July 28 2015 23:40 GMT
#1087
probably.

Like if everyone in town looks town we lynch clarity because that means no one is mafia based on analysis so we can lynch someone who is a shot in the dark but not helpful.

Ideally he dies in some other way or gets replaced by someone who actually plays.

Again, do you disagree with me that it'd be preferable to find an alternative lynch?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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July 28 2015 23:49 GMT
#1089
On July 29 2015 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, Palmar, I'm willing to let a lynch on you pass by this day. But I won't lynch clarity nor I'll lynch rsoultin today.

I would be okay with lynching hopeless today.

I have no intention of lynching clarity as clearly stated in my post about the two people not playing. I've been clear on that for a while since he told us he couldn't play.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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July 28 2015 23:54 GMT
#1091
On July 29 2015 08:49 Snickers wrote:
no palmar i meant its weird how structured you have certain posts to say look at this in my filter it shows im town.

its looks really fucking planned out.

No you see, the towny things in my filter just happen to be there ready for quoting because well... I am town.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 00:31 GMT
#1096
On July 29 2015 09:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
man i dont want to have to try. you guys suck

Impress me baby.

And be warned, my alter ego is Shania Twain
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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July 29 2015 00:32 GMT
#1097
On July 29 2015 09:31 Onegu wrote:
I told you my reason for wanting to lynch rsoul it is all tonal.

My second lynch at this point would be not sure really. Dont really like a clarity lynch. Could lynch Palmar I guess as a sheep and for wantting to lynch me over other people even though I really am like confirmed town at this point and to sheep rayn. But would lynch boxerfred over palmar for his shitty reason to jump on palmars shitty reasons to want to lynch me and clarity.

What happened to boxerfred btw I miss him. Comeback to me I miss you.

@Rsoul


DURRR UHHHHHH I DONT KNOW DURRR

You're not reading the thread. I said I didn't want to lynch you and clarity.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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July 29 2015 15:42 GMT
#1197
gb shows very few mafia traits.

The only one can also be a town trait, the one where he's bad and wrong a lot.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 15:47 GMT
#1199
also your vote count analysis thing is awful. Go back and look at a few games, if you're gonna accuse anyone of being mafia based on the votecount it'd have to be clarity, rsoultin or snickers for failing to do shit with their votes.

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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 18:38 GMT
#1281
Hey slam, can you fix the game please? These people broke it.
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Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 18:39 GMT
#1282
Oh and you need to vote someone else slam, snickers is never mafia here.
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 21:10 GMT
#1346
[b]##unvote
##vote rsoultin[b]

Reasoning is mostly PoE.

I don't want to lynch GB because he's been such an asshole. I have already at length discussed why I didn't want to lynch my strong townreads (scott and snickers) and the lurkers (onegu and slam). Hopeless is an unccd blue when we have none except the named townie so far so there is no reason to doubt it.

This leaves

Kelsier
Boxer
rsoultin
OWS

They all have good shots of being mafia.

Boxer because I don't notice him (and I haven't had time to re-read him). Rsoultin because of her reaction to my fakeclaim (and rayn scumread her for some reason). OWS because he's been completely shit and useless throughout the game and just agrees with whatever the common sentiment is at that time (or at least I feel that way) and kelsier because he is somewhat lacking in effort and was way too annoyed at the beginning of the game.

Kelsier is the one I'd first remove from the equation, the remaining three I will support a lynch on all of them with a slight preference for rsoultin and OWS over boxer mostly because I don't feel I have anything scummy actually on boxer.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 21:10 GMT
#1347
also rsoultin still wants to lynch me even if she thinks I'm town. that's weird.
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 21:13 GMT
#1351
On July 30 2015 06:11 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 06:10 Palmar wrote:
[b]##unvote
##vote rsoultin[b]

Reasoning is mostly PoE.

I don't want to lynch GB because he's been such an asshole. I have already at length discussed why I didn't want to lynch my strong townreads (scott and snickers) and the lurkers (onegu and slam). Hopeless is an unccd blue when we have none except the named townie so far so there is no reason to doubt it.

This leaves

Kelsier
Boxer
rsoultin
OWS

They all have good shots of being mafia.

Boxer because I don't notice him (and I haven't had time to re-read him). Rsoultin because of her reaction to my fakeclaim (and rayn scumread her for some reason). OWS because he's been completely shit and useless throughout the game and just agrees with whatever the common sentiment is at that time (or at least I feel that way) and kelsier because he is somewhat lacking in effort and was way too annoyed at the beginning of the game.

Kelsier is the one I'd first remove from the equation, the remaining three I will support a lynch on all of them with a slight preference for rsoultin and OWS over boxer mostly because I don't feel I have anything scummy actually on boxer.


63/80

bullshit

bring a fucking case or consolidate on the player who will protect your townread. it's that fucking simple. your vote is doing nothing


I already have a case. I still don't believe a townie would react this way to my thing.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 21:14 GMT
#1352
On July 30 2015 06:12 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 06:10 Palmar wrote:
also rsoultin still wants to lynch me even if she thinks I'm town. that's weird.


64/80

i keep saying i have a strong townread on gb and i'm kinda townreading you but i could be wrong on you. there's nothing weird about it and you're not stupid enough to think otherwise. is english failing you?

Yeah but why would you be wrong on me? This is like the most transparent I've played as town for months.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 21:20 GMT
#1361
On July 30 2015 06:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, stop calling me an asshole :/ I'm just calling you Mafia, I'm not slapping an old lady on a wheel chair in the face

Yeah but you're being so wrong you might as well be hitting old ladies.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 21:22 GMT
#1364
On July 30 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote:
53/80

i think scum is between

bf/scott/palmar/slam

i'm really not sure on which of these 4 are mafia but i have decent reasons to townread everyone else


I also have a massive problem with this post for obvious reasons.

scott is and will always be the towniest person in this game. He should never, ever be lynched.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 21:22 GMT
#1365
On July 30 2015 06:21 KelsierSC wrote:
come on grow some balls and vote slam, you know it's good.

the only reason not to lynch him is snickers "logic" which is like playing chess with a monkey

No, let's kill rsoultin. It's a much better kill.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 21:25 GMT
#1368
On July 30 2015 06:23 KelsierSC wrote:
Like you can all walk around with your dick tucked between your legs and lynch GB , bf or whatever i because "oh i dont lke the other lynches"
or you can take this one chance to be a legend and lynch the scum who claimed blue. You have the chance to be part of something big here, bigger than any of us

did slam actually claim?
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 21:40 GMT
#1378
On July 30 2015 06:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok if you guys don't think I'm Mafia, it's time to consolidate or I'm dead

Technically I'm okay with you dying. I don't really have any strong inclinations bf is mafia and you're a pita.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 21:44 GMT
#1382
On July 30 2015 06:42 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 06:40 Palmar wrote:
On July 30 2015 06:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok if you guys don't think I'm Mafia, it's time to consolidate or I'm dead

Technically I'm okay with you dying. I don't really have any strong inclinations bf is mafia and you're a pita.


you mentioned about 3 times that you haven't read bf or had the time to, and you gave him a scum point earlier on . Maybe reading him now would be a good idea/

Yeah but I'm only semi here. I don't have time right now (or have had today) to devote the time to really dive into him. I did open his filter up earlier tonight, skimmed something thought "that looks superficially townie" for now.

I also recall (without really being able to point to where) thinking that it's very unlikely bf and gb are mafia together.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 21:44 GMT
#1383
which is probably not really a revelation.
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 21:46 GMT
#1385
I also vaguely seem to recall rsoulting having called ksc "strong townread" only to later call him "wait and see". I'm unsure if it means anything but I noted it mentally.

I think that's about it for mental notes from skimming.

So yeah, let's lynch rsoultin.

For rayn!
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 21:47 GMT
#1387
On July 30 2015 06:45 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 06:40 Palmar wrote:
On July 30 2015 06:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok if you guys don't think I'm Mafia, it's time to consolidate or I'm dead

Technically I'm okay with you dying. I don't really have any strong inclinations bf is mafia and you're a pita.


Yeah?

Even when you say Mafia is between 4 people (not including me) and one of them IS the counter wagon? You don't want to vote him?

Cute


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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 21:48 GMT
#1390
On July 30 2015 06:47 boxerfred wrote:
like really, train on me?

k have fun bye

If you flip scum I should just retire from mafia

also GB this means you'll have another day of uselessly tunneling me! This should make both of us super happy right?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 21:51 GMT
#1397
On July 30 2015 06:50 boxerfred wrote:
so what to keep in mind when I flip:

- case on gb
- onegu's shit vote on me
- kelsier making my train relevant
- rsoul yolo'ing me without reasons

so much OMGUS


The elusive quadruple OMGUS, rarely seen in the wild.

This guy is not gonna flip mafia.

GJ guys!
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 21:52 GMT
#1398
On July 30 2015 06:51 KelsierSC wrote:
I really think slam is a better lynch. I don't want to lynch boxer

##unvote

##vote Alakaslam

rsoultin~~~~~~~~

Although slam might well be scum. We just don't have any evidence one way or the other.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 22:00 GMT
#1422
apparently I'm a masochist who wants to be tunneled for another day.
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 22:18 GMT
#1429
This town is accidentally great.
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 22:24 GMT
#1438
i think I'd actually lynch oneggu
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
July 29 2015 22:30 GMT
#1443
for additional town points I tried to lynch clarity on day 1 because you know.

clearly best player.
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
July 30 2015 10:37 GMT
#1471
On July 30 2015 17:32 Snickers wrote:
You guys so realize you were like "let's lynch the person who is getting modkilled"

He wasn't getting modkilled...
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
July 30 2015 10:37 GMT
#1472
in other news, I'm taking the day off cause lazy. If I'm alive tomorrow I'll maybe do things.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 30 2015 12:27 GMT
#1475
On July 30 2015 20:07 Snickers wrote:
Clarity was going to get modkilled in done by the way ignore ke

No, slam replaced him...

You've several dumb as fuck statements on the flow of the game. I think you need to look at the rules.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 30 2015 18:15 GMT
#1485
Meh currently i think I'd still lynch rsoultin

/shrug
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
July 30 2015 19:24 GMT
#1490
On July 31 2015 03:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
palmar, how does snickers come to the conclusion that clarity is a protective role? That while clarity was replaced by slam, we lynched the player who was about to be modkilled?

Why is rsoul godfather? what possible evidence is there for his nonsense? If this is his town game...I'm going to cry.

All the things you listed make him equally insane as mafia.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 31 2015 09:11 GMT
#1549
On July 31 2015 17:33 boxerfred wrote:
Also I think snickers and me actually shouldn't fight each other over who gets lynched now. We should both take it like men and instead do something useful. :x

I think you're both town.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 31 2015 20:07 GMT
#1557
wait where is my filter button?
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
August 01 2015 13:52 GMT
#1616
I'm not gonna do anything this cycle I guess. it's weekend so meh.

maybe you guys are right!
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 01 2015 17:14 GMT
#1620
On August 01 2015 22:58 rsoultin wrote:
hopefully we are

it's cool, palmar. you've been perfecting nothing since last night cycle. we won't even notice!

kinda would like bf to talk some about where he's at though. know better than to expect something from palmar lol

it's weekend. don't try to pretend it means anything.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 01 2015 22:17 GMT
#1628
never listen to palmar.

my top town read dead.

much sad.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 01 2015 22:44 GMT
#1630
is weekend

we'll see what happens 2morrrow
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
August 01 2015 23:58 GMT
#1632
early weekend.

it's going to be a late weekend too as monday is off.
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
August 02 2015 15:27 GMT
#1651
everyone who voted for snickers is an awful player.

He was the confirmest town in history of mafia because of this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490661-mini-mafia-down-under-3?page=52#1022

So in conclusion

rsoultin mafia.

Town bad

Palmar godlike
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 02 2015 21:43 GMT
#1688
Just in case I die

Boxer, just like snickers and scott, will NEVER EVER flip scum this game.

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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
August 02 2015 21:50 GMT
#1691
On August 03 2015 06:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2015 06:43 Palmar wrote:
Just in case I die

Boxer, just like snickers and scott, will NEVER EVER flip scum this game.



Probably not if you're scum

Keep dreaming.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 02 2015 22:00 GMT
#1694
no, none of my townreads are wrong.

If you're not mafia it's either ksc or obi.

I don't really care, it's you.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 02 2015 23:20 GMT
#1709
On August 03 2015 07:04 rsoultin wrote:
palmar may actually be the better lynch i really just don't know how to read him which is very frustrating ><

the problem is...us both being alive this late does strongly suggest one of us is scum, or whoever is scum either doesn't know to kill us (too new) or is one hell of a ballsy player trying to pit us against each other

i kinda want to lynch palmar just to remove the question mark. for me it's either him or bf

ok lynch me then you.

deal?
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
August 02 2015 23:32 GMT
#1711
On August 03 2015 08:29 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2015 08:20 Palmar wrote:
On August 03 2015 07:04 rsoultin wrote:
palmar may actually be the better lynch i really just don't know how to read him which is very frustrating ><

the problem is...us both being alive this late does strongly suggest one of us is scum, or whoever is scum either doesn't know to kill us (too new) or is one hell of a ballsy player trying to pit us against each other

i kinda want to lynch palmar just to remove the question mark. for me it's either him or bf

ok lynch me then you.

deal?


deal

why are you scumreading me?

Because you're the mafia.

The only other option is OWS
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 02 2015 23:34 GMT
#1712
also you lynched snickers yesterday, and I don't think you're a moron. Only morons people would vote for snickers.

The rest of these guys are all morons.

So either you're a moron or mafia.

ez
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
August 02 2015 23:45 GMT
#1715
On August 03 2015 08:42 rsoultin wrote:
palmar gets no towncred for either vote

he didn't want to lynch either scum (firm tofu/clarity)...objectively if the lynch is between clarity and ft if scum busses, they buss clarity. plus ft would have died with or without palmar's vote...which actually makes his vote look more self-serving rather than less

as for the clarity a.k.a. slam vote...palmar was townreading gb and protesting the slam vote, even though he'd been hard-pushing clarity d1. if he sits on his hands, gb flips town, and then we lynch slam later the likelihood that he will be lynched afterwards for not voting to protect his townread over flipped scum is very high. this means that at best his vote on slam d2 was nai

skip ahead to d3. lots of protests that he thinks both wagons are town. he calls me scum and doesn't push me. promises to put work in and that work never happens. does he push ows either? no. he votes his top townread for the sake of what? consolidating? snickers was being lynched anyway. this makes no sense

the nightkill:
we have a ksc kill. why does bf kill ksc? ksc certainly wants to lynch bf, but he wasn't the only one. i am arguably louder and more persuasive and also wanted to lynch bf. the only scum reason to keep both palmar and myself around, then, is to get a wagon started on either palmar or me. in my case, it's unlikely to be enough for bf to escape the lynch. and as for palmar...i'd said i preferred a bf lynch so that's quite a gamble

the moment i die palmar is going to have a hell of a time explaining why he's still around in this group of players. i can't be the night kill if he's scum. he can't really lynch me if he's scum, which would explain the lack of conviction and push d3 to actually really try to get his "scumread" lynched

and ksc was never ever going to support a lynch on me, either

palmar could easily be scum
- not really wanting to kill the scum
- doing nothing since d1 but halfheartedly "pushing" a townie
- his votes are at best nai and even partly scummy
- not willing to stick up for his townreads
- the nk does implicate him

i'm voting for palmar


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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 03 2015 00:09 GMT
#1718
On August 03 2015 08:50 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2015 08:45 Palmar wrote:
On August 03 2015 08:42 rsoultin wrote:
palmar gets no towncred for either vote

he didn't want to lynch either scum (firm tofu/clarity)...objectively if the lynch is between clarity and ft if scum busses, they buss clarity. plus ft would have died with or without palmar's vote...which actually makes his vote look more self-serving rather than less

as for the clarity a.k.a. slam vote...palmar was townreading gb and protesting the slam vote, even though he'd been hard-pushing clarity d1. if he sits on his hands, gb flips town, and then we lynch slam later the likelihood that he will be lynched afterwards for not voting to protect his townread over flipped scum is very high. this means that at best his vote on slam d2 was nai

skip ahead to d3. lots of protests that he thinks both wagons are town. he calls me scum and doesn't push me. promises to put work in and that work never happens. does he push ows either? no. he votes his top townread for the sake of what? consolidating? snickers was being lynched anyway. this makes no sense

the nightkill:
we have a ksc kill. why does bf kill ksc? ksc certainly wants to lynch bf, but he wasn't the only one. i am arguably louder and more persuasive and also wanted to lynch bf. the only scum reason to keep both palmar and myself around, then, is to get a wagon started on either palmar or me. in my case, it's unlikely to be enough for bf to escape the lynch. and as for palmar...i'd said i preferred a bf lynch so that's quite a gamble

the moment i die palmar is going to have a hell of a time explaining why he's still around in this group of players. i can't be the night kill if he's scum. he can't really lynch me if he's scum, which would explain the lack of conviction and push d3 to actually really try to get his "scumread" lynched

and ksc was never ever going to support a lynch on me, either

palmar could easily be scum
- not really wanting to kill the scum
- doing nothing since d1 but halfheartedly "pushing" a townie
- his votes are at best nai and even partly scummy
- not willing to stick up for his townreads
- the nk does implicate him

i'm voting for palmar


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^^ sure. town can just lynch me after your flip, right? taking one for the team? lol ><

YEP!
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 03 2015 00:28 GMT
#1720
actually you can't.

Only if she flips town AND OWS was town.

If that's the case, blame me.

If one of them is mafia, it's your fault.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 03 2015 13:48 GMT
#1756
Hi guys, just a friendly reminder I'm not mafia this game.

I like how you guys think that it's even remotely possible I would bus my entire team (remember, back on day 1 I was trying to lynch clarity who was also mafia before consolidating on FT).

Even if you believe I would bus my entire team, the thing that makes it absolutely 100% certain I am not mafia is that I would never bus/hammer my team and then just do nothing to capitalize on that situation. Everyone who knows how I work also knows that I have a very strong sense of duty towards my team when I'm mafia. It's literally impossible that I would have this drop off after killing my team off and feel okay about it. I would be letting them down in such a shitty way.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 03 2015 13:56 GMT
#1757
Also sometimes I just can't be arsed arguing with stupid.

When snickers got brought up as possible mafia this game I just quit playing. Sometimes I'll scream and yell when people are being complete imbeciles, but sometimes I just don't have the willpower to do so.

I don't know if I'll be doing much at all today, I think I've said just about everything needed to be said this game.

scott is 100% town.
bf doesn't sound like mafia
gb is insane and terrible, but that can be a towntell for him, seeing as he's generally insane and terrible.
Onegu has the claim, there really is nothing else tbh. The rest of you have made sure we can't deal with him.

this leaves

OWS
rsoultin

I don't really care which one it is. I kinda think it's rsoultin.




Regarding Onegu. Generally he'd be a good lynch because he's been absolutely worthless throughout the game. However thanks to two moronic decision from town (and potentially three, assuming you lynch me), there simply aren't enough resources to deal with him.

Moronic decision #1: Hopeless claiming on day 2 as cop with a single green check. I think this is the second game hopeless ruins by being literally the worst fucking cop on the face of the earth.

Moronic decision #2: Instead of lynching the people who can possibly be mafia, you all lynched snickers. GJ!
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Palmar
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August 03 2015 14:06 GMT
#1759
On August 03 2015 23:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool

Who do we lynch?

rsoultin
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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August 03 2015 14:12 GMT
#1761
On August 03 2015 23:10 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2015 23:06 Palmar wrote:
On August 03 2015 23:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool

Who do we lynch?

rsoultin


Other than the reaction test and Rayn's point, why?

Part tone
Part PoE

But mostly it's just

reaction test
sheeping rayn

so meh?

I'm not 100% certain of who is the mafia. I mostly just know who it isn't.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 04 2015 12:06 GMT
#1804
Palmar has been replaced by moron Palmar
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 04 2015 12:46 GMT
#1806
Oh I will be playing

I'm going to vote the MAFIA!
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Palmar
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August 04 2015 12:46 GMT
#1807
like scott, who is clearly godfather.
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Palmar
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August 04 2015 13:30 GMT
#1809
I'm not certain. Boxer voted WRONG at least once so that means he's MAFIA!
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Palmar
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August 04 2015 13:30 GMT
#1810
OWS is clearly town and so are you for doing jack shit and sounding like mafia. This is real life.
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
August 04 2015 13:34 GMT
#1812
Wow look at this BOXER who is currently leading the vote trying to lynch someone that isn't him. And notice how he is definitely going for the easiest target just to survive.

WWOWOOOWOWOOW

MAFIA ALERT!
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Palmar
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August 04 2015 14:37 GMT
#1816
I am not making anything difficult. I am part of the hive mind and I will always vote with the path of least resistance!
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Palmar
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August 04 2015 15:27 GMT
#1819
On August 05 2015 00:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 23:40 rsoultin wrote:
He's being obnoxious ows but that actually makes me think he's more likely to be town -_-


Meh.

I am town because I always vote with the hivemind.

I am so sorry the shitty player I replaced didn't vote snickers yesterday. This will not happen again.
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
August 04 2015 20:54 GMT
#1846
I read some early day 1. The lack of filters suck.

For endgame. No one can call me bad this game, I hammered two mafia. Even if I'm wrong on the last one I'm still best player.

I also think it's unlikely but possible it's boxerfred
I think it's most likely it's either rsoultin or OWS

I am going to vote OWS today, mostly because it's the good lynch that has a better chance of taking off.
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Palmar
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Iceland22633 Posts
August 04 2015 20:57 GMT
#1851
mafia got such a huge boost this game with the filters disappearing.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 04 2015 21:08 GMT
#1858
I'm kinda waffling on rsoultin. I kinda remember why I thought she was town on day 1. Maybe rayn is bad.

Idk, I still think this game was thrown by

1) idiots voting snickers
2) shitty cop
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Palmar
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August 04 2015 21:10 GMT
#1859
I'm reading the run up to day 1 (with no filters I guess reading parts of the game makes some sort of sense).

OWS is on the FT wagon all the time but seems to be willing to switch to scott. He even defends FT at some point (but he still just keeps his vote on him).

I don't think it's particularly scummy by OWS but meh.

rsoultin does simply sound like she's a lot more invested in the game at that point than OWS. Boxerfred also says some shit that might even be sort of scummy, but he also sounded really townie when under pressure

I still think we should vote OWS.
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Palmar
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August 04 2015 21:11 GMT
#1860
Like if anyone could summarize up in 1 paragraph or so why OWS must be town (like I did with snickers and scott) that'd be great, at least if someone is townreading him.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 04 2015 21:13 GMT
#1861
On July 27 2015 06:06 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 05:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2015 05:53 Palmar wrote:
Like technically I'm okay with you guys lynching FT so one of the following scenarios happen:

1) he flips mafia, yay!
2) he flips town, I can call all of you bad AND he gets punished for his shitty push on me.


Let's do better:

Who do you think would be the best lynch today and why?

clarity

Because he is not a dumbass and he is not trying to solve the game.


Man I'm so towny in general.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 04 2015 21:16 GMT
#1862
I've changed my mind again now I want to lynch BF
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 04 2015 21:19 GMT
#1865
On August 05 2015 06:17 rsoultin wrote:
palmar

you've been reading d1 right? i can't pull the specific post

but there was a point where i think i was trying to get ows to vote clarity with me

and he said no, he preferred ft because it gave more info

i don't think he does that as scum. i've felt strongly enough about it to hard-defend him for ages

also, it's obi? like, he's not really known for being super active or posting much more than one-liners?

i kinda just read him by if what he's saying i can follow...i think he's a pretty intelligent player, personally

Yes that's kinda exactly the thing I was reading as I changed my mind to vote with the hivemind on BF.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 04 2015 21:20 GMT
#1868
you're talking about this interaction here, right:

On July 27 2015 06:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 06:00 rsoultin wrote:
lol

ye i still think clarity is more likely to flip scum
i'll lynch ft over scott

look, obi...yeah he's afkish

but he literally comes in without a read on rayn, says he'll sheep him (yes it can be assumed he's townreading rayn there cause otherwise it makes no fucking sense) and jumps on the hopeless wagon who, if i recall, was the only real non-retarded push at the time. sheeping implies he has no read on the guy yet he starts "championing" this push on hopeless while snickers is tunneling me which felt really off...like seriously if hopeless ever flips scum it's highly likely clar is scum for that alone

then he comes back in with that big post on why he thinks hopeless is scum (which essentially is really no different from what he first said, just that hopeless' first post felt "forced") like, if the guy isn't going to be around today, you really think he puts in NO WORK, sheeps someone who he may or may not have even have had a townread on, then pretends his read on hopeless was strong by parroting what he said in the first place, which was essentially parroting what RAYN said in the first place?

we all just got out of a game with clarity. you really think this is his town game? i don't


I'm not arguing against a Clarity lynch.
I just feel very confident in my FT read.



(look how town I am, I have the goddamn post you're referencing because I'm actually reading shit trying to figure things out).
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 04 2015 21:23 GMT
#1873
On August 05 2015 06:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't recall ever defending ft.


On July 27 2015 06:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 06:43 Onegu wrote:
FT needs to die here, my biggest reason was his early pushes were on what seemed like the really easy targets.


How is Palmar an easy target?
He is the exact opposite of an easy target, even when he's afk.


It's not exactly a strong defense, and it's also entirely correct, which is why I said it wasn't particularly scummy.

Hell, technically it even sounds kinda towny because you wanted to lynch him for the right reasons, not just lynch him.

screw it let's lynch bf.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 04 2015 21:28 GMT
#1877
On August 05 2015 06:25 boxerfred wrote:
So great how you guys are lynching me for "he didn't vote any scum" only

#sickplays

So next game you should try to vote some scum to avoid this situation!
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 04 2015 21:31 GMT
#1879
On August 05 2015 06:28 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 06:28 Palmar wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:25 boxerfred wrote:
So great how you guys are lynching me for "he didn't vote any scum" only

#sickplays

So next game you should try to vote some scum to avoid this situation!

This is so frustrating right now that there probably won't be a next game anytime soon.

With no filters you should probably go find something you wrote that you would absolutely only have written as town. Some insightful read, some careless comment, something to help us.

Like I'm not voting you based on voting record. I put almost nothing into the voting records. I am voting you because I distinctively remember stuff that can possibly mean the rest of these people are town.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 04 2015 21:34 GMT
#1883
I'm almost okay with losing to rsoultin if she's mafia.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 04 2015 21:59 GMT
#1895
if he actually is mafia it's so interesting how useful actually reading stuff is.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 04 2015 22:07 GMT
#1903
make it stop
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 04 2015 22:11 GMT
#1905
I'm taking a day off
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 05 2015 09:14 GMT
#1924
tomorrow is lylo right?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 05 2015 11:45 GMT
#1926
can the framer frame mafia green?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 05 2015 11:45 GMT
#1927
hmm yeah he can.

still...
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 05 2015 12:50 GMT
#1929
of course, my bad.

also scott is like 99% town.

I'm sorely tempted to just drop whatever scumread I may have on you rsoultin because if you are mafia you deserve to win with all this work you're putting in.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 05 2015 13:08 GMT
#1934
On August 05 2015 22:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't really think scott is as town as you're saying he is Palmar.
Your read seems kinda reachy.


1) alternative wagon to 2 scum on day 1 (me and rsoul wanted to kill clarity, rayn and a few others wanted to kill FT).
2) Reacted like he had nailed GB. He looked like he genuinely believed my check
3) checked green by a cop.

Yeah no, he should be the last person lynched this game.

I wish we had filters because I'm much more motivated to go back and read GB again. While GB's attitude feels more likely to come from town, he has an exceptionally awful reads record this game. He has basically been tunneling me since day 2 while still agreeing to lynch other people a bunch in the meantime. He wanted to kill scott on day 1 too I think. I can't remember which side of the day 2 wagon he was on.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 05 2015 13:09 GMT
#1935
On August 05 2015 22:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 14:23 rsoultin wrote:
well...yeah it's kinda convenient for palmar to suddenly agree and lynch bf, but what would have happened if he didn't?

he wasn't getting lynched over bf at the time, so only

1. mislynch bf and look better for not being on another mislynch
2. mislynch someone else

i fail to see how his read change benefited him as scum?


I still don't really understand how this matters?
Like, what was his alternative? Bf was getting lynched.

Not conform and call everyone bad (hint, that's what mafia palmar would have done. I had already established a platform where I thought Bf was town, and if I had been mafia I'd have known I was right on that).
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 05 2015 13:11 GMT
#1936
@OWS

I don't think I'm good enough as mafia to react in different ways to the same thing.

When townies wanted to lynch snickers I was a stubborn asshole. When townies wanted to lynch boxerfred I conformed with the hivemind.

If I am mafia I already have perfect information so I'd have figured that one of the two strategies (sheeping town OR being right and calling people bad) is the better one, so it's more likely I'd have used the same strategy twice. Unless I'm smart enough to plan to use this exact line of reasoning to argue I am not mafia... I don't know if I'm that smart though. Maybe I am?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 05 2015 13:14 GMT
#1938
Tbf I am awesome. I just sometimes doubt myself and become less awesome as the game goes on. The longer I live in a mafia game the shittier a player do I become.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 05 2015 13:15 GMT
#1939
I'm going to do a first post analysis because I'm bored and I have no filters.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 05 2015 13:15 GMT
#1940
Oh shit, the good thing about not having filters is that the mods have to manually count posts to know if we're above the limit!

WE'RE FREE NOW BOYS, TIME TO SHITPOST
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 05 2015 13:22 GMT
#1944
Scott firstpost analysis

On July 25 2015 07:01 scott31337 wrote:
FIRST
CONFTOWN


On July 25 2015 07:02 scott31337 wrote:
GB are you my friend?


First player to post in the game. Caps indicate excitement. Knowing there's only 1 mafia left he and GB cannot be a team so the name seems to be picked at random. Feels like a townie entrance.

On July 25 2015 07:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Bleep bloop.

Bad first post. Not saying anything, almost posting just to post. Way scummier than scott.


On July 25 2015 07:22 Onegu wrote:
Hard claiming confirmed town


On July 25 2015 07:24 Onegu wrote:
As in I am Named town


Claim, very hard to read tone into such a factual post. Probably going to be town because we have no other blue roles.

On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes

but guys, guys, guys...

rayn is scuuum ^^


Bunch of useless stuff in there that's kinda scummy. I also dislike the extra "uu" in scum. feels off tonewise, as if intended to be a joke. Her next post continues the same theme "I'm totally serious rayn is mafia he scumslipped" in what feels a very sarcastic manner.

On July 25 2015 07:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 07:02 scott31337 wrote:
GB are you my friend?


I'M TOWN, BIATCH!


Extra "A" in bitch seems ott. I don't know, this one is null to me.


meh that was useless.

rsoultin/gb/ows was the pool of candidates anyway.

Unless Onegu just lucked out and we have no blues in the game he decided to claim one.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 10 2015 22:13 GMT
#2442
gg wp
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