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On July 24 2015 09:04 Hopeless1der wrote: /in Oh! What a pleasant surprise | ||
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On July 25 2015 07:02 scott31337 wrote: GB are you my friend? I'M TOWN, BIATCH! | ||
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Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu | ||
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On July 25 2015 09:55 rsoultin wrote: we'll see lol ^^ you're a bit quick on that trigger, and so is scott on me i think xP now i just have to do this xP xP xP xP teehee >< rsoul oneg!meta too good  (maybe, it's only been borne out once) my sober self thought that mafia Onegu doesn't claim named VT and keeps drawing attention to his claim like he did. I mean, he could be Mafia, but I simply don't see him fake claiming and keep talking about it. My sober self would expect him to wait and see other reactions until he can safely keep the claim.My drunk self is suspicious that you could be Mafia My sober and drunk self are still arguing about Rayn being mafia | ||
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On July 25 2015 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: meh this game is going to be hard with the post restriction. i was gonna kinda stay in the shadows for the majority of D1 but i guess it's impossible. I don't really have any fucking reads because there aren't any posts to read. I think Hopeless is mafia Snickers and boxerfred town. The post about claims cannot basically come from a townie. I don't believe it. ##vote hopeless Dude if you fake claim cop you shouldn't expect to stay in the shadows. What are you doing, Rayn? | ||
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Like, almost. It's a tone read. But a strong one. | ||
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On July 26 2015 01:30 rsoultin wrote: You're boring GB. That's bad I'm playing optimally since being all over the place is being bad for some reason. Why do I think you're mafia, dear? Give it a shot | ||
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On July 26 2015 01:34 rsoultin wrote: You're wrong so how the hell.should I know what insanity is going on in your head. Explain so I can decide if you're just being bad or not xP You call Rayn mafia, doesn't push him. Rayn calls hopeless Mafia, you agree with him. You don't push the matter further. Then you proceed to solely defend yourself and give some town reads. Basically, you aren't reacting to what people post unless it fits a previously established agenda. | ||
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On July 26 2015 01:50 rsoultin wrote: okay, you can be town lol >< now learn to sarcasm xP ^ it's partially an inside joke and you speak Portuguese so you're somewhat forgiven, but i actually haven't been defending myself because there's nothing to defend myself from apart from idiocy as for the hopeless thing...i'm willing to lynch him, there's nothing more to be said about him and i don't like clarity now, if you're town, find another tree to bark up ^^ talk to me about clarity, actually Ok, it could be sarcasm, but what do you do of his joke? It's odd. Lemme see clarity | ||
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On July 26 2015 02:02 rsoultin wrote: lol, it is sarcasm. what are you asking? what do i do of whose joke what? Dear, Rayn's cop claim was a joke. He even said "oh no it's detective OP's are hard to read". I felt this joke was a bit off. But it could be town trying to generate discussion, and that's okay. But he came to the thread and said his plan was to stay in the shadows? How come he expects that he will stay in the shadows when he does a controversial joke claim in the beginning of the game? It doesn't make sense | ||
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On July 26 2015 00:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Why are you making this so difficult. Do you like a hopeless lynch or not, and why? ^ this post shows what I'm saying | ||
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On July 26 2015 01:20 scott31337 wrote: Not sure how this didn't make any sense - KSC posted about how he had to waste a post on replying to my post and seemed angry about it - so I gave him five posts. Does that make sense? Rsoul gets a slight townlean for now, her second list is slightly better than the first one I wasn't really caring for though. Not lynching Rayn today, probably not Onegu either - Obi's question to me was weird but I don't see any scum motivation for it. If GB doesn't show up today we can lynch him - Firm and Hopeless are on that list too. Your reads seems fabricated. You call Kelsier out but don't put him in your lynch list. You prefer to put me on the list for a reason that doesn't make me scum, and you follow thread sentiment on hopeless, and even brings firm to the table without a good reason behind it. Can you explain these things to me? | ||
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On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote: It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? This post is SO bad. It's an overreaction AND a deflection. Reeks scum | ||
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On July 26 2015 02:41 rsoultin wrote: :/ i disagree with you on both those reads, gb i've been kinda more hands-off this game as well cause my hands-on game is super spammy. what do you think about the rest of his play? as for clarity, i don't like him because he has no opinion, just is sheeping, then he demands me for mine on the player he has no opinion on? he complains about no one posting or progressing the thread without progressing the thread. and then he disappears as soon as snickers starts tunneling...it seems like he's posting just to post to me There is nothing reeeeaaaaally scummy in Kelsier's filter other than that. But his posts are mostly "I can't believe I'm wasting my time with this" and questions that are leading nowhere. It doesn't... Suits well? I forgot the word. And about clarity, I actually think that the way he is posting is a way to progress the thread. He may have disappeared, but it can be just coincidence that he disappeared right when snickers came. I don't expect people to have firm opinions on first half of day one and I can totally see him doing what he is doing as town and I hardly believe he would do that as Mafia. What is his interest, as Mafia, to vote someone without reasoning it and asking people to talk about it? | ||
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On July 26 2015 02:47 FirmTofu wrote: Just a disclaimer, I haven't read or played in the most recent games here(and I'm not going to) so I'll probably just focus on cold, hard scumreads for day 1. Don't ask me to catch up on the meta because that's never going to happen. I was going through all the claims so far I'll just briefly comment on the one I didn't like most. Palmar claims mafia and has a skimpy filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490661-mini-mafia-down-under-3?user=Palmar He says he might play tomorrow, implying that he isn't going to shit today. Seriously? What a waste of space. ##Vote: Palmar What about other people? | ||
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On July 26 2015 02:48 rsoultin wrote: not knowing what to do and trying to look proactive xP Isn't it safer, for scum, to actually say hopeless looks bad for a particular reason other than just saying "I'm sheeping Rayn"? Or even drawing suspicions out of someone else. And whoever is calling him "hopeless sider", he is "hopeless wonder"  | ||
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On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote: Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. Why you don't like me? | ||
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On July 26 2015 03:11 Snickers wrote: i felt the same way about gb posts but maybe i am forgetful I kinda want to lynch you because everything you post is bad :/ | ||
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On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote: well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid Tell me what's stupid in them. Also, tell me why stupidity is a sign that I'm Mafia. | ||
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Meh, you're Mafia. ##Vote: KelsierSC | ||
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On July 26 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote: No, he's probably not. Sure I could be wrong, but Kelsier is not going to be lynched today. Give me one good reason. The post you quoted doesn't make him town at all. | ||
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On July 26 2015 02:32 GlowingBear wrote: This post is SO bad. It's an overreaction AND a deflection. Reeks scum Palmar, address to this. This + him constantly being annoyed that people are wasting his posts + wanting to lynch me because he doesn't like me, then saying it's because I'm stupid, then admitting that being stupid doesn't make me Mafia but still willing to lynch me is very scummy to me. | ||
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On July 26 2015 03:42 Palmar wrote: I just don't think it's as relevant as you do. But I haven't actually gone back and reread Kelsier so maybe I'll come away with a different perspective when and if I do. Like the conversation isn't all that difficult to follow. Yes it's a slight overreaction (scott probably didn't mean it in the way Kelsier took it) but meeehhhh.... maybe I'm wrong, who knows. Ok but what about the other things? You just talked about the overreaction... | ||
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On July 26 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote: Palmar, address to this. This + him constantly being annoyed that people are wasting his posts + wanting to lynch me because he doesn't like me, then saying it's because I'm stupid, then admitting that being stupid doesn't make me Mafia but still willing to lynch me is very scummy to me. I want every one to address to these points | ||
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On July 26 2015 05:39 KelsierSC wrote: simple reason why rsoul is angry? probably the same reason i appear "annoyed" idiots and snickers. but i repeat myself Whining is 90% of what you're doing. Maybe you should move you ass and explain what is stupid in people's play | ||
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On July 26 2015 05:23 Clarity_nl wrote: Pretty much true actually. I've arranged to be around during deadline tomorrow but I won't be around all day and I'm not supposed to be here tonight either. What I don't understand is that instead of just answering my question you antagonize me? You keep saying you're happy to lynch hopeless yet your vote is still unused, I don't get it. I don't agree with Palmar about your opening posts because I know where the joke stems from, but you went from happy go lucky to pissed in the span of like 2 posts although snicker's tunnel was pretty dumb I guess. Not quite sure what's going on with you yet rsoultin, but your townreads seem good so whatever. Anyway, do not lynch list: rayn, Palmar, KSC, Snickers (lol), onegu Mixed feelings about scott. He noted rsoultin was different than gaiden, which I agreed with at the time of his writing, but he mentioned it like THREE times for some reason to really drive home that he HAD A READ while emphasizing that it was only a slight lean. Granted this one is explaining his read. Then he tops it off with his preffered lynches, all the lurkers. From what I remember firmtofu is massive lynchbait regardless of alignment so I think he makes a better shot than a lynch. Still liking the hopeless lynch. Oh so you ACTUALLY think hopeless is a good lynch? It changes things | ||
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On July 26 2015 05:53 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't follow, did I indicate that it wasn't? Your play... My interpretation was that you were just trying to develop discussion | ||
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On July 26 2015 10:34 rsoultin wrote: lol bf's out of my to lynch list i'd contest that some of rayn's early pushes and the more collaborative nature of them could be considered a "good start", disregarding the "claim", and don't really think that scott looks that bad this game though, dude also, much as i can't say that i've appreciated all of snickers' posting, i do think he's town and i'm not going to lynch a townread just because he's aggravating i really like your point on gb though, bf, because it reminded me that gb was ready to read clarity as town for "reaction testing" or whatever, and being the king of such "reaction tests" himself, i find it quite odd that he didn't interpret rayn's initial post similarly like i would assume most players did considering i'm town and at least leaning town on the others, snickers, i think you're way off-base xP Wow. You like his point of not getting your sarcasm but getting Rayn's joke? lol And there is a huge difference between what clarity did and what Rayn did and I already talked about Rayn. I said (and I said it even to you) that Rayn could have been trying to develop disxussion but if that was so it doesn't make sense that he was planning to stay in the shadows like he said. The fact that you are agreeing with such weak rrasining after I explained it to you is raising a big, big red flag. Talk to me about my points on KSC please. | ||
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Which means I think boxer is most likely town | ||
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On July 26 2015 12:58 rsoultin wrote: meh, maybe, but you think it's more likely for annoyed scum to say he wants to lynch you even though stupid doesn't make you scum? or annoyed town? cause yeah, i perfectly understand his sentiment. i feel the same way about snickers. i won't lynch him, but i'd be happy to have him out of the game xP That puts snickers, or even Scott, on the chopping block. I've done nothing to annoy him other than calling him Mafia for fair reasons. Plus he says he doesn't like me. Then he says it's because I'm stupid. Then admits being stupid isn't a scum tell but he would be okay to lynch me anyway. It's not that he could not do that as annoyed town, is that there is no reason to be annoyed with me in this game + it sounds more like he was okay with a lynch on me without having any reasons for lynching me. Then, when having the matter pushed, he couldn't find a fair reason to "not like" me. Why doesn't he like me? What I've being doing that is stupid? He fails to show that. The only townie thing I saw in his filter was what Palmar said about dismissing the possibility of shitting the thread, but he could also be trying to avoid getting more suspicions at him by dismissing a push, even if a bad push. I see nothing townie in him that takes him out of the lynch list like you did. I have yet to see what exactly makes him townie to your eyes that he is never getting lynched day1. Please tell me | ||
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On July 26 2015 12:55 Hopeless1der wrote: Can I just say "waffle" and leave it at that? @GB re kelsier I see a number of somewhat explained town reads in his filter but little to no scum reads and vague "I'd lynch this guy...maybe" vibes. Not feeling great about kelsier but I would really want to lynch him today. If he is giving you bad vibes, why not lynching him today? | ||
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On July 26 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote: yeah, well, i'm okay with lynching people i have no reasons to lynch, too xP it's called a null read and yes, ksc is perfectly capable of being annoyed with stupidity in general. neither of us has much patience for it, and you aren't exactly known for being logical look at his filter and his read progression has he expressed irritation at stupid pushes on him? yes. is that the majority of his filter? no he's clearly making reads and contributing and i really liked his push on tofu because i felt the same way reading tofu's response to palmar. plus i dunnae i think the aggression and bite in general is more likely to come from a town ksc than a scum one. scum worries about making friends. town just wants to solve the game xP it's tonal but i'm fairly confident on it or i wouldn't have him in my strong townreads in the first place This is the first time I think your tone read is off. If the problem is that people think I'm illogical in general, they will always want to lynch me in every game for that. Kelsier only expressed this half assed willingness to lynch me in this game which, ironically, is the one I'm taking the path of not being emotional. Explain this dichotomy, because I can't understand. Town just wants to solve the game, yes. I don't see him trying. Wanna make a bet? He is Mafia and I will rant post game forevermore | ||
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On July 26 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote: This is a really good post. Snickers I think you're town and I love the energy you're bringing but Onegu is not the lynch today. I'd lynch Scott or Tofu. Scott is partly because of his early play which I questioned him on and I think rayn's point about his spreadsheet is good. Tofu, his second "push" on palmar felt bad. his secondary scum also felt like he didn't really give a shit "rayn's been quiet"...yeh well it's a post restricted game but rayn had stepped up by that point. Then a throw away bf has a small filter. I don't like obi either People I think are town rayn, rsol, snickers, onegu, palmar there are others that I should try to work out; hopeless, clarity, obi, bf. I want to read more from them. GB you can just say nothing and that would be fine. That's not an alignment indicative post from Rayn You keep taking about people you don't like without bringing reasons to it You need to try to work out on hopeless, who has been up for the lynch the whole day1? How the fuck you don't have an idea on him? You have to work out on clarity? He has just a few posts. Go take a look at him. And about the bolded: you are unnecessarily antagonising be since the beginning of day1 and I don't see you doing this on purpose as town. You know you'll get me pissed off at some point. Town, please. This guy is Mafia. | ||
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On July 27 2015 02:21 FirmTofu wrote: Also, the fact that this train is catching so fast should be indicative of the fact that mafia is clearly very happy about this lynch. This would be true if the second wagon is Mafia. Do you believe scott or hopeless are Mafia? | ||
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On July 27 2015 02:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't understand how this works, exactly? Well, if both wagons are town, Mafia doesn't have to rush to decide their votes and advocate for a mislynch. In case a scum partner is up for the lynch, when a second wagon is proposed and the guy is town, if fills much faster. | ||
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On July 27 2015 02:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The only time I've seen the speed of a wagon dictate anything is at EoD, when there's a wagon that's safe and easy to jump on. IE not in this circumstance. I've seen it happening hours before deadline. Nonetheless, it's unimportant for us to discuss this, but it's important that tofu answers my question | ||
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.:Case on KelsierSC:. 1) Constantly whining about having to waste posts with bad things without actually using his remaining 50+ posts for anything else + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote: It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? On July 25 2015 19:21 KelsierSC wrote: Seems like a really important use of your time. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/489370-lost-but-not-forgotten-mini-mafia?user=KelsierSC On July 25 2015 19:39 KelsierSC wrote: See the better question would be , do you have any reads yet? Because that might be something interesting, instead your question looks to misrepresent what has actually happened in the game. unfortunately everyone is playing like shit so I have absolutely no one as town. If he is so worried about wasting posts with useless stuff, WHY DOES HE WASTE POSTS TO KEEP SAYING HE IS ANNOYED? "Yes, one person is enough to annoy me", really? Why is he so annoyed, man? "Everybody is playing like shit". No, nobody is playing like shit in this game. This game is pretty concise and to the point. His annoyance is unjustified, it's ridiculous. Looks like mafia trying to fake being emotional. 2) Deflecting any early suspicions brought on him + guilty conscience On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote: It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? THIS IS HIS SECOND POST IN THE GAME! This is an unnatural reaction to what scott posted. In town mindset, the reaction I would expect would be "then you're stupid because I'm town" and not "ok, you think I'm scum, am I the only one lol". It reveals mafia's guilty conscience. More than that, and more important, it is a deflection of early pressure. He sees someone calling him scum and softly tries to shift pressure to someone else. If you ask "am I the only one?" a common response would be "no, I didn't like X as well" and if they keep talking about X, the pressure is shifted. The same reaction can be seen here: + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2015 19:54 KelsierSC wrote: This isn't going to lead to anything productive so I think it's best to just end it here. It can be interpreted in both ways: town not wanting to shit the thread, or scum deflecting pressure. Since Kelsier already displayed the deflection behaviour, the second option is more likely. 3) Wanting to lynch me then backtracking when having no reasons to + Show Spoiler + On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote: Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote: well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid On July 26 2015 05:39 KelsierSC wrote: simple reason why rsoul is angry? probably the same reason i appear "annoyed" idiots and snickers. but i repeat myself On July 26 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote: This is a really good post. Snickers I think you're town and I love the energy you're bringing but Onegu is not the lynch today. I'd lynch Scott or Tofu. Scott is partly because of his early play which I questioned him on and I think rayn's point about his spreadsheet is good. Tofu, his second "push" on palmar felt bad. his secondary scum also felt like he didn't really give a shit "rayn's been quiet"...yeh well it's a post restricted game but rayn had stepped up by that point. Then a throw away bf has a small filter. I don't like obi either People I think are town rayn, rsol, snickers, onegu, palmar there are others that I should try to work out; hopeless, clarity, obi, bf. I want to read more from them. GB you can just say nothing and that would be fine. The progression is this, for people that doesn't want to read the posts: Kelsier says he doesn't like me and he would lynch me happily. I ask him why he doesn't like me. He says everything I post looks stupid. I asked him what is stupid in them and why does that makes me mafia. He said it doesn't make me mafia but he would lynch me anyway, and that he is annoyed because idiots (like me) are annoying him, but never says what are the problems with my posts. He then comes to the thread and says he wants to lynch "hopeless, clarity, obi and bf", not wanting to lynch me. It's simple: he said he didn't like me hoping to have me as an option for mislynch. When I confront it, he says I look stupid but he forgets it's something he doesn't believe is alignment indicative for me. Then he says he would lynch me anyway implying that I annoy him. Well, I wasn't raising suspicions on him since that time. Now I've being pressuring him for the rest of day1 and he doesn't want to lynch me anymore LOL. He is not annoyed with it. What I mean with this is: his actions does not follows his discourse, which is mostly a scum trait. Add to this the fact that he answers almost NOTHING of my posts directed to him. He just deflects them, adding to point (2) of this case. 4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT HE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity). IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!! + Show Spoiler [WIFOM] + Points on Kelsier were brought many times and no one quickly jumped on it, not even Scott, who was suspicions on Kelsier in the first place. The quick and unreasonable town reads Kelsier got points out that scum didn't want him as a possible mislynch. I am POSITIVE Kelsier is mafia. Vote him with me. ##Vote: KelsierSC | ||
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On July 27 2015 03:55 Onegu wrote: GB is it ok if I not trust any of your reads? Only if you say why | ||
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Makes sense No, you should look the points and evaluate what is good or wrong in them, and not consider who is making those arguments | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:08 Palmar wrote: Everything you say is essentially correct and the bolded basically answers your own question. I feel there is a very real possibility he is just a baddie. Although maybe I should worry less about that and just lynch him for saying stuff that makes no sense. Im also heavily considering lynching clarity Palmar, what do you think of my case? | ||
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Everyone NOT voting Kelsier needs to tell me either why my points doesn't hold water or why someone else is a better lynch. He is goddammn Mafia!!! | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:27 rsoultin wrote: lol i'm here...i actually had a social life this weekend, wonder of wonders eh, i didn't like gb's case on ksc :/ blah, but that's more because it seems to me that gb isn't understanding what's being said in a lot of kelsier's posts. i guess i could be somewhat pocketed here but i don't think so? Tell me what I'm not understanding, then. | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:29 KelsierSC wrote: 1. I didn't "constantly whine about wasting posts" I made one comment because it was a stupid point and boxerfred couldn't look up a game from last week. At the time I posted "everyone was playing shit" I didn't have one single person as town because people kept posting stupid things. 2. I thought scott had posted scummy things, I quoted something he posted that didn't make sense. I'm giving scum leans snickers posting wasn't productive so I ended that whole argument 3. You are an idiot, that is why I would lynch you, it doesn't matter your alignment. If you are mafia I would happily lynch you. If you are town, you are a complete imbecile who will spout nonsense and actively harm town, for example , making terrible cases against people who are town. so I would happily lynch you. 4. I would lynch tofu or scott, at the time I was in the thread I thought tofu was the better lynch and voted him. you can sit down and be quiet now. Then do work and lynch me. Lynch the imbecile. You fail to point out ONE STUPID ARGUMENT I've brought. And no, I'm not falling for the shit fight invite, I'm sorry. Even if you're town here, you're not worth it. | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:33 rsoultin wrote: @ GB 1. he's used his posts to contribute and make reads - point is wrong 2. could be if the point is the very last sentence...but i interpreted it as him saying that (scott? i think it was?) shouldn't be shutting down my reads just because he thought ksc was "scummiest" 3. yeah, null read is null here still - point is wrong 4. you're still stuck on "annoyance" meaning that ksc thinks you're scum - point is wrong the only point that holds any water here, gb, is the second, just as rayn said, and frankly i can still easily see it coming from town so it doesn't outweigh all the things that i think makes ksc town this game Well, I think point 2 is damning enough. I can get what you're saying about the others. But, as I stated, he repeatedly deflected pressure. It wasn't only on that post. He never answered my other pushes on him, he shut snickers down too. I think it's very damning I don't see the points on tofu. I do see the point on scott | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:36 KelsierSC wrote: I don't care about lynching you today because I have scum reads. Just assume that everything you post and will ever post in any future game is stupid. Safe bet You are just disrupting town with terrible cases as usual. So be quiet So, another excuse to deflect pushes on you We are agreed then. You ignore me and I'll advocate your lynch until the end of the game. | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:39 rsoultin wrote: 2 isn't damning at all if it's how i interpreted it to be? like, i get it could be either way, i'm not ksc, but if i can interpret it as coming from both alignments and see nothing else to make me think ksc is scum, it's not enough for me to change my mind? that simple why not clarity, rayn? i really think he's scum :/ You're talking about the interpretation you have on his answer to scott, and I'm talking about him shutting down ANY pressure put towards him, that can't be object of double interpretation. It is a deflection of pressure. | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:40 KelsierSC wrote: I answered your "push" with a bullet to the head But go ahead and waste more of town's time. No, you defended yourself against a case that convinced some people that you could be Mafia. They started discussing you so you saw the need to defend yourself. But when I talked to you directly, you never answered. You just asked me to be quiet. And you see, I'm open to listen to why my case is wrong, because I'm not a douche. People are pointing out problems in some points and I'm okay with it. You could simply help me realising I'm wrong, but you decide to antagonise me without any reason. And I don't remember you being acting this douchey to anyone since your first game here. Which makes me think you are either Mafia or having serious IRL problems | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Kelsier and GlowingBear STOP! You are both town. Focus for fucks sake. He isn't. But I will stop discussing with him because I don't want to give Mafia space to shit the thread or to keep causing him problems IRL. Kelsier, if you're town, I hope everything turns out okay for you. I'm not lynching tofu today. If I have to choose between him and scott, I prefer scott | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:54 KelsierSC wrote: IRL is fine, It just makes me sad that someone like you is a real thing Please ignore me and let the game continue then. | ||
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I'll just sheep Rayn Who do you want to lynch? Final answer is now | ||
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Scott have been uninspiring and his play seems very stiff, fabricated. Clarity has been more careless, which makes him more fownie than Scott in my eyes | ||
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I just saw that he is clearly voting every other wagon other than him. ##vote: FirmTofu | ||
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Or, if you want to do the correct thing, lynch keksier | ||
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The possibility of having a Mafia between one of those is high | ||
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I've said all I could about Kelsier. I have no power to push his lynch further. It's up to you to convince others now | ||
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On July 27 2015 05:49 scott31337 wrote: Tofu is waffling pretty badly right now and I get this mafia feeling to try to pull off of him - so I do have a pretty strong (or strongest) at this time on him. I must say I also think it could be possible Scott, who are the Mafia doing that? | ||
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On July 27 2015 05:53 Palmar wrote: Like technically I'm okay with you guys lynching FT so one of the following scenarios happen: 1) he flips mafia, yay! 2) he flips town, I can call all of you bad AND he gets punished for his shitty push on me. Let's do better: Who do you think would be the best lynch today and why? | ||
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On July 27 2015 05:57 scott31337 wrote: I do not know if you are mafia but you seem to be fighting his lynch pretty strongly (posted your case on Kelsier a couple hours ago when it looked like Tofu's getting the noose when maybe it would be better for day 2, asked rayn to vote me, asked palmar to vote me, etc.) Cool What about the people you think are Mafia? | ||
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On July 27 2015 06:06 Palmar wrote: clarity Because he is not a dumbass and he is not trying to solve the game. Palmar, you know, there is this little imp on my shoulder saying "don't trust palmar, he is likely to be Mafia!" and I keep saying that it doesn't seem so but he keeps saying that you would be trying to convince people that someone is Mafia and moving them to your target instead of saying that you don't think firm tofu is Mafia but that you are ok with tofu being lynched. And I say "stop that, I don't have a solid meta on palmar" but he is now humping my ear lobe and I can't think properly | ||
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Like, I hate your flip on clarity. You say Mafia is trying to take the wagon out of Mafia tofu. Then you say clarity is an okay lynch? And you don't actually think that people that tried to switch the wagon off of tofu onto clarity are Mafia? Just boxerfred and a random vet??? That's bullshit, scotty :/ | ||
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On July 27 2015 05:40 scott31337 wrote: Why do I get this feeling we are right on Tofu and mafia are trying to get us to swap? On July 27 2015 05:49 scott31337 wrote: Tofu is waffling pretty badly right now and I get this mafia feeling to try to pull off of him - so I do have a pretty strong (or strongest) at this time on him. On July 27 2015 05:57 scott31337 wrote: I do not know if you are mafia but you seem to be fighting his lynch pretty strongly (posted your case on Kelsier a couple hours ago when it looked like Tofu's getting the noose when maybe it would be better for day 2, asked rayn to vote me, asked palmar to vote me, etc.) On July 27 2015 06:14 scott31337 wrote: I have just re-read Clarity's filter, never mind it's really bad - a vote on me and a comment on Hopeless's post (although Hopeless did a bit better) and nothing much else. I could vote for him too. Thought process does not compute. You think Tofu is Mafia Then you say Mafia is trying to take people out of the tofu wagon. The alternate wagon is clarity. I suppose you may think Mafia could be there. But you call Mafia people that were in other wagons and does not consider people that moved to the clarity wagon. You even raise suspicions on me but you don't call me Mafia (?), what's the point then? Then you dive clarity and suddenly he is bad? What about Mafia protecting tofu by forming another wagon????? Your thought process makes no sense and it completely fits Mafia perspective GUYS VOTE SCOTT PLEASE | ||
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EVEN if you believed in what you just said, it would make me completely Mafia, and not just something you would say "I don't know you're Mafia". Then other Mafia are boxerfred (?) and PROBABLY A VET? Why a vet, which vet, why not me. Then you simply say you could lynch clarity, man. You just said Mafia was taking votes off of tofu. You can't me town. PEOPLE PLEASE, SCOTT CAN'T BE TOWN | ||
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On July 27 2015 06:36 rsoultin wrote: good god gb >< he only had clarity at null/slight scum and said his vote was suspicious -_- then this, and he goes into clarity's filter and changes his mind? that doesn't seem so horrible? scott, what was townie about clarity when you said the post i quoted? It is horrible when he says Mafia is taking votes off of tofu but does not consider people forming the clarity wagon? It is horrible because if he thinks tofu is mafis he should instantly believe clarity is town under that circumstances, but he dives and say he could lynch clarity but does not reevaluate his read on tofu? In a vacuum, his flip isn't horrible. What is problematic is his thought process | ||
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On July 27 2015 06:35 GlowingBear wrote: I mean, if you THINK Mafia is trying to take votes off of Mafia!Tofu you MUST consider they are forming the alternate wagon INSTEAD of ignoring people forming the alternate wagon and placing votes somewhere else. There is no other option EVEN if you believed in what you just said, it would make me completely Mafia, and not just something you would say "I don't know you're Mafia". Then other Mafia are boxerfred (?) and PROBABLY A VET? Why a vet, which vet, why not me. Then you simply say you could lynch clarity, man. You just said Mafia was taking votes off of tofu. You can't me town. PEOPLE PLEASE, SCOTT CAN'T BE TOWN Rsoultin, dear, I think this post shows what I'm talking about in a more clear way | ||
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On July 27 2015 06:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah we don't have the people to switch to scott. Even then I still want to lynch FT. Let's go with that. This is bullshit, we only need 3 more votes on scott | ||
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On July 27 2015 06:46 rsoultin wrote: ummm why does him thinking clarity could be mafia mean he has to think tofu is town? i get the other way around but it's like you took this an extra step without thinking it through if he thinks clarity could be mafia then it doesn't matter who is trying to lynch clarity, and it doesn't mean he can't think that tofu is scum, too? it just means it doesn't make sense to pursue who is "scum" trying to switch the lynch to clarity? If he thinks clarity is Mafia, the hypothesis of Mafia desperately trying to switch off of tofu is wrong, which would cause some reevaluation. If he thinks both firm tofu and clarity are Mafia, he needs to believe everyone pushing other wagon is Mafia under the scenario he brought. He did. He called boxerfred Mafia and raised faint suspicions on me. But it was PRIOR from him calling clarity possible Mafia. He was townreading clarity before. | ||
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On July 27 2015 07:21 boxerfred wrote: Good job. That puts a really bad light on Kelsier now, given his last minute "let's get on scott" stuff. Nope Kelsier is almost confirmed town after tofu tried to lynch him | ||
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Yes I can. Your thought process still doesn't make sense and you were okay to move to clarity anyway | ||
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On July 27 2015 08:20 scott31337 wrote: @GB if you pretend I am town, who are the other two mafia? If you're town I think we should go against Clarity Clarity because he does look scummy and his flip will be very informational. Then maybe boxer cause his play is very uninspiring But yeah, clarity. | ||
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Best check is clarity. Second best is rsoultin. Bye. | ||
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This is good because it clears two problematic people I had in mind. I think people we should look at tomorrow should be clarity, boxer, palmar and Scott. I don't think remaining Mafia is outside these. I'm really suspicious of Palmar. Him saying that he would lynch Kelsier and clarity over tofu but not being very much against it raises some red flags. His hammer on tofu doesn't align to his discourse. I never played much with boxerfred but there was a game where he looked very scummy and it turned out he was town. Out of those in that list, he is the one I'm most insecure. | ||
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And palmar, stop overreacting? You guys are too over sensitive with people calling you suspicious. The game gets unpleasant. Well, this is my last post and I know I'll be alive in the next day so, that's it. To the thread: listen to rsoultin as she probably is town. If she wants to lynch clarity, lynch clarity. You guys have plenty of mislynches by now. Palmar COULD be Mafia but that's something you should look after only in later days. He had the opportunity to lynch clarity and he didn't. He could've tried to lynch Scott and he didn't. Palmar could be Mafia only if scott is Mafia imo. What I'm trying to advise is: don't take Palmar's hammer as a sign of him being town. Also, there isn't much to call him town either. So, just keep an eye on him Rayn is probably town. Onegu is probably town. Kelsier is probably town. Snickers is probably town. No townie asks to me shot at night like clarity did. If he is busy he would ask a replacement, but not do that. Trust rsoultin. Shoot him or lynch him day2. That's it. I'll see you until tonight. | ||
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On July 28 2015 03:42 boxerfred wrote: if I die in the night, read my GB case. I have a feeling I hit something. A tree, probably. Check if you have any internal bleeding God I was waiting until day post to make the joke | ||
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On July 28 2015 07:06 Palmar wrote: good shot mafia. Thanks for that. Was that your call? | ||
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On July 28 2015 07:13 boxerfred wrote: also I'm kind of confident in my GB read, especially since there wasn't anything constructive that would make me not think he's scum. ##vote GlowingBear Your read on me is basically associative. Do you have anything you find scummy in my play? | ||
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On July 28 2015 07:24 scott31337 wrote: Snickers. So you believe both wagons were mafia D1 at the end - is that correct? I try not to rely on associative reads. I just post that list to tell who I think are acting scummy and should be lynch targets | ||
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But when I consider that you both votes tofu, I get a little... wary. I mean, it totally makes sense that you were soft bussing and he was trying to go against clarity, and totally denied a lynch on you because you "used excel" so people would focus between firm and clarity. I really can see a standard scum play in that. But those are information I CAN'T rely on unless one of you flip. Why didn't he advocate harder a lynch on clarity or on Kelsier if he really thought tofu was town? His reaction to my suspicions on him are so off too... When I scum read him on previous games, he NEVER overreacted like that. But I'm afraid I'm confirmation biased. That's why I think you OR clarity is a better lynch. Both of you are playing scummy and I trust rsoultins read | ||
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I mean, although it could sound that he made a big post (that you didn't even read cause it was on me) to avoid a cop check, you can't assume that he did it for that because it's not a fact. It's a FEELING you're having. I think boxerfred is town for how freely he started posting and for a post that somehow it felt very genuine (I'll find it and quote it). I'm pretty sure there are better targets to lynch. Even hopeless is better | ||
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On July 28 2015 08:04 Snickers wrote: so we have to decide if scott is mafia not reading the game or town not reading the game. i lean more to scum. You're clearly not reading the game since he was asking me. I'm starting to want to lynch you | ||
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On July 28 2015 08:05 Snickers wrote: i really dont get how you are ignoring his multiple lies either I didn't see a lie? The guy clearly said he could see you coming from scum perspective, which doesn't necessarily means he is implying you're certainly scum. | ||
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On July 28 2015 08:15 Snickers wrote: and since people want to defend boxer let me be extra fucking clear. the only additional reason you would post that case post in the middle of the night is to respond to what people are saying to it before the day post which he never did. so make you choice is boxer a. bad town b. naive town c. scum d. paranoid town Snicker, as far as I knoe, boxer is a new player. He doesn't have to wait until close to end of night. Do you really think he was at any risk of dying?? | ||
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On July 28 2015 07:14 boxerfred wrote: Why is there an edited out vote from scott? I can't explain because my read on him is very tonal, but this post seems like coming from town. It's because he is paying attention to what's happening and reacting to things that are weird to him. I don't think Mafia play like that. He says he is gonna vote me, sees something wrong and comment it here. It, in the very least, shows that boxer AND Scott are never Mafia together, which means that, if one is scum, the other will never be. | ||
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On July 28 2015 08:52 Snickers wrote: no but he said he thought he was lol ##vote:GlowingBear Ok, why am I mafia? | ||
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On July 28 2015 09:00 Palmar wrote: ##vote Glowingbear Because my red check said so. Delicious to have you have you fake claiming like this | ||
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Which means your argument here is WIFOM for both sides | ||
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On July 28 2015 09:57 Palmar wrote: There is literally no way that this is a mafia response to a red check on a "townie" If he's mafia he immediately knows I'm fakeclaiming. He posts this within 1 minute of me posting my post. There is no way he considered the scenario so fast. That was a genuine post by scott. I will NEVER lynch him this game. Exactly, he knows you're fake claiming or you checked a Miller. He guarantees a mislynch + when I flip town he goes against you if you're mafia. Way better than trying to think about the claim | ||
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He guarantees TWO mislynches if he supports your claim. | ||
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On July 28 2015 10:01 Palmar wrote: It's the timeframe that matters. He didn't reach that conclusion in 60 secs. Dude, palmar, I'm Mafia and I see a red check on someone that isn't my partner = instant sheep. I won't even think before it. I don't think your argument is strong enough, sorry | ||
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On July 28 2015 10:06 Palmar wrote: I can't believe you're actually both mafia but this page heavily suggests you might be Please, palmar. You're scumreading rsoultin over WIFOM and associating it with me. Rsoultin was pushing and is still pushing your main scumread clarity. Suddenly, you forget clarity and go against rsoultin. Why? | ||
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On July 28 2015 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote: do YOU know why rayn called rsoul mafia? Yes, I do, and although I get where he is coming from, I can also see any town having that argument. If I have someone saying complete shit about me, how can I trust his other reads? It DOES make sense, although is a very contrived argument. I don't think it makes her Mafia. It's just an indicative that she could be. My mind melded with her last night. She HAS a shot at being town. There are way better player to lynch. We can deal with deciding on rsoultin later. Like you, hopeless. You're clearly reading. What are your reads and who you want to lynch? | ||
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On July 28 2015 10:16 rsoultin wrote: 7/80 yeah, i'm not scum -_- we should still lynch one of clarity/hopeless I was about to say I want scott, but I just remembered tofu ninja voted him, which makes scott probably town. Hmm... | ||
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On July 28 2015 10:16 Hopeless1der wrote: I'd lynch rsoul primarily because rayn said so. I'm actually rereading FT and rayn right now and also trying to work out if theres anything from a votecount perspective for mafia trying to save FT btw, rayn had rsoul AND palmar as mafia because they failed to see FT as scummy. No hopeless. Rayn had rsoultin as Mafia because she said she couldn't trust his other reads because he was reading her as Mafia. | ||
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On July 28 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote: 8/80 yeah of course scum is going to say sheep town!rayn on town!rsoul you better fucking come up with your own reason for scumreading me or you're next when i flip town ^^ This is your worst post in the game tbh | ||
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On July 28 2015 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I said this before and i say this again. I don't care to google the english words for what this is, look at foolishness' post about "book of bad arguments". "I cant trust your other reads because you cant even read me here". I am serious i have never seen rsoultin say anything this stupid in a game of mafia. She is scum, i dont care what she posts. This is enough. Palmar is also scum. Here, hopeless. | ||
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On July 28 2015 10:26 rsoultin wrote: 10/80 lynch me, then and when i flip town lynch fucking hopeless and clarity and if they're not scum look to palmar i know i'm town town may well play the part of stupid sheep, but his complete and utter lack of reasoning beyond rayn saying so is scummy as hell, and considering i wasn't townreading him before, i really could care less what you think about that post So lynch palmar? Why are you so defeatist instead of pointing out why palmar is scum and ACTUALLY trying to lynch him? You're wasting your breath just to defend yourself and call people bad, dear. Let's catch scum instead? | ||
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On July 28 2015 10:33 Hopeless1der wrote: that was a list of people i'd lynch....I know how to count GB Oh okay. Because I don't and that's why I'm into humanities. Well, since there aren't much people playing, I'll save my posts for later | ||
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With tofu leading the lynch, there is certainly one mafia jumping in clarity's wagon if the is town. And if he is mafia (which he may be), that's a lot better. So, please, STOP discussing stupid WIFOM things and let's focus on facts? God, it must be really bad when I, MYSELF, am asking YOU guys to NOT WIFOM. | ||
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You soft defended Tofu since the beginning of the game: + Show Spoiler + On July 26 2015 18:22 Palmar wrote: This makes FirmTofu dumb and bad. I don't know if it makes him mafia. On July 26 2015 18:37 Palmar wrote: Like if we're lynching people for doing dumb shit we would have to lynch half the town, so I don't know if we should use that as a parameter. I'm really struggling with some posts to try to determine if they're from mafia or just lazy/apathetic/bad townies. Also I'm tempted to lynch scott for this: He claims to be using a spreadsheet to help him determine people's alignments, but some of the stuff here is just complete fucking bullshit and 100% made up. Like I don't believe anyone who keeps a spreadsheet would do it in this way. Also check this out, detective Palmar is on the case: Things that bother me about the format of this thing:
However on the other hand this is clearly copy pasted from a spreadsheet so if he is lying about using a spreadsheet he at least opened up google docs or something and pasted this in. meeeeeeeehhhhhh~~~~ Maybe I should give him a pass based on that? Don't know, it actually feels like I should. It's so bad though... You were the only one that thought my case on kelsier was entirely good and wanted to lynch him out of it, although you townread him earlier and no really new information on him got to the thread On July 27 2015 04:17 Palmar wrote: This kelsier case is actually good You were okay to lynch clarity and now you completely forgot him to go against CLARITY'S MAIN PUSHER rsoultin basing your read out of a bad reaction testing that resulted in a conclusion that was COMPLETELY WIFOM. + Show Spoiler + On July 27 2015 06:06 Palmar wrote: clarity Because he is not a dumbass and he is not trying to solve the game. In other words, at Day1 you had this huge soft defense on FirmTofu and a big apathy for who was getting lynched, to reach the conclusion that you would lynch both Clarity and Kelsier (this last for a case that you liked and nobody else liked and even myself recognised later that only point two held water), but you had no firm or original opinion on Clarity nor on Kelsier. In fact, you TOWN READ Kelsier when I asked you to address to my points THAT, AFTER, I INCLUDED IN MY CASE LOL + Show Spoiler + On July 26 2015 03:42 Palmar wrote: I just don't think it's as relevant as you do. But I haven't actually gone back and reread Kelsier so maybe I'll come away with a different perspective when and if I do. Like the conversation isn't all that difficult to follow. Yes it's a slight overreaction (scott probably didn't mean it in the way Kelsier took it) but meeehhhh.... maybe I'm wrong, who knows. I don't trust a word you say in this game and you're most likely mafia. Every game I saw an active town Palmar, I saw a guy that had his own original scum reads and clearly tried to lead a lynch on them, something I'm not seeing here. ##Unvote ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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Onegu Rsoultin Kelsier Snickers GlowingBear Scott These are people that are OBJECTIVELY BAD to lynch today. We need to reach a conclusion. Please let's focus. Please, let's not derail in everyone screaming different names. These are people that SHOULDN'T be lynched today, objectively. Rsoultin could be mafia? Yes, she could. But objectively, her gameplay has no signs that she is mafia other than what rayn has brought to the thread. She's active, she's talking. We CAN deal with her in later days. We CAN'T deal with clarity/hopeless or even obi/boxer. Have in mind I HAVE obi AND boxer on my townreads but they aren't OBJECTIVELY bad to be lynched. I will fight against their lynches, but my town reads on them are soft town reads. Let's please narrow the discussion, at least for a while. I'd like people to comment on what I've brought on Palmar. | ||
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On July 28 2015 13:39 Snickers wrote: well theres the worst post of the day so far Snickers, those are the most damning points on Palmar. What is bad in it? And just have in mind that rayn was shot and Palmar relied on his read on rsoultin to push her without even considering that rayn also had a scumread on him. Like, please. | ||
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On July 28 2015 13:47 Snickers wrote: why are you pissed i have been voting palmar for awhile now. So why my post is the worst post in the day? You make no sense, dude... | ||
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On July 28 2015 13:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The bolded I really didn't understand. The cop thing was really weird tbh. I think I phrased it bad. He made the cop thing to scumread rsoultin. Then he used the argument that rayn scumread rsoultin and he is GOD TOWN!11!!!1!!!1! Unfortunately, GOD TOWN also scumread Palmar and he is not considering it. He picks from Rayn only what is important to his agenda. You DO agree with me that relying on the confirmation that Rayn is town and had a scumread on his target is a very opportunistic argument, don't you? Especially when the same Rayn also had a scumread on Palmar. If Palmar was town, he would take a step back when using Rayn's scum read on rsoultin to back up his vote. | ||
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On July 28 2015 13:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Gb, remind me if I missed it: why is Scott an objectively bad lynch? Firm Tofu ninja voted him yesterday | ||
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1) Soft defending Firm Tofu without actually having any strong scum reads he advocated for 2) Having a town read on Kelsier early game, agrees to lynch him based on a case he didn't properly analyse that contained points I've pointed out earlier that he dismissed just to call Kelsier town. 3) Wanting to lynch Clarity for he was the best lynch candidate. Completely forgetting him today just to go against Clarity's main pusher rsoultin. 4) Basing his read on rsoultin out of bad reaction testing that resulted in WIFOM conclusion. Also, basing his read on rsoultin out of Rayn's scumread on her. It's opportunistic because (i)Rayn also scum read Palmar and he doesn't take it in consideration. He does not consider that Rayn was wrong on him (if he was town) and could be wrong on rsoultin, also. And (ii) it's a very easy reason to get behind a lynch, to hide himself behind a dead confirmed townie's read. Too comfortable for mafia 5) Palmar has no fucking original scumread. All he does is rehashing what other people say | ||
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On July 28 2015 13:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The bolded is the key issue I had with his reasoning. I don't understand how it outweighs a clarity vote. It outweights because we are talking about a player we have a lot of information that makes him scum (Palmar) VERSUS a player we are scumreading for lack of information (Clarity). It also outweights because if you believe Palmar is Mafia, he was ready to lynch Clarity over Tofu and he clearly was soft defending Tofu, which makes Clarity mafia. | ||
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On July 28 2015 14:04 GlowingBear wrote: It outweights because we are talking about a player we have a lot of information that makes him scum (Palmar) VERSUS a player we are scumreading for lack of information (Clarity). It also outweights because if you believe Palmar is Mafia, he was ready to lynch Clarity over Tofu and he clearly was soft defending Tofu, which makes Clarity town. EBWOP | ||
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On July 28 2015 23:00 Palmar wrote: At the time I was kinda suspicious of scott, but yeah I didn't really have a strong alternative. I have an inherent bias (as very clearly evidenced here) to assume that mafia people generally try not to pick a fight with me on day 1. When presented with FT's attacks on me I had two options: 1) He's mafia, thinks he can get away with calling me scum for bs reasons. 2) He's just a dumbass townie I simply overthought the problem. I was certain no one would be dumb enough to actually go after me like that on day 1, so I kinda wifom'd myself into thinking he had to be town because it'd be too risky to do exactly what I did. I probably need to drop this line of thought from my play in the future and assume mafia are just as likely to go after me as any other player, especially now that I play more casually than I did in the past. Here's a quote from myself showing a similar line of thought: Thankfully rayn was here, completely disconnected from the situation (FT wasn't attacking him) and thus had a more objective viewpoint and lead town to a good lynch. I never voted for him or pushed for his lynch. He was clearly a secondary candidate to Clarity. If you go back and check my filter I mention probably several times that there exist valid tone reasons to doubt KelsierSC being town. I never had a strong town read on him, I simply had a "would not lynch" read. These aren't really the same thing, especially on day 1. He was attempting to contribute and getting into arguments, even if the main point of your case, and my worries back on day 1, the fact he was so annoyed, were still troubling. Your case kinda summarized all the reasons to think he's mafia and thinking you were town at the time I kind of just rolled with it. Also, part of early thinking he was town was if I recall based on interactions with scott, who gradually started to look more town throughout the day. On July 28 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote: 3) Wanting to lynch Clarity for he was the best lynch candidate. Completely forgetting him today just to go against Clarity's main pusher rsoultin. I haven't forgotten about clarity. I just think he's being genuine here: On July 27 2015 22:57 Clarity_nl wrote: Welp irl is shit and everything is shit. If there's a vigi they should shoot me as it doesn't look like I'll get the chance to play properly. I gtg I don't think he's the kind of player that pulls this as an excuse to lurk as mafia. I might be wrong and we shouldn't discount the possibility, but I don't really want to lynch him today. This is more of a meta/personality assumption and I would absolutely not be opposed to him being checked/shot because he's not contributing anything to the thread. Maybe I'm overthinking things again? Who knows? On July 28 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote: 4) Basing his read on rsoultin out of bad reaction testing that resulted in WIFOM conclusion. Also, basing his read on rsoultin out of Rayn's scumread on her. It's opportunistic because (i)Rayn also scum read Palmar and he doesn't take it in consideration. He does not consider that Rayn was wrong on him (if he was town) and could be wrong on rsoultin, also. And (ii) it's a very easy reason to get behind a lynch, to hide himself behind a dead confirmed townie's read. Too comfortable for mafia rayn is a good player who is, just like everyone else, sometimes wrong and sometimes right. He was right on FT He's wrong on me He might be right on rsoultin? Why would I take into any consideration the fact he was wrong on me? That has literally nothing to do with whether or not he's right on rsoultin. And I'm not really hiding behind it, I'm just pointing out he wanted to kill her. It's not the main reason I want to lynch her. I want to lynch her because I do not believe a townie would act the way she did. On July 28 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote: 5) Palmar has no fucking original scumread. All he does is rehashing what other people say That's the best way to play mafia. Take the credit for other people's ideas. Palmar: On July 26 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote: No, he's probably not. Sure I could be wrong, but Kelsier is not going to be lynched today. re:point1) This is a complementary argument. YES, you could have done this as town. It's a matter of believing if you did it or not. I mean, I think there is a difference between town and mafia defense. You simply said he might be or not be mafia but did not have any other strong read. I also said something in that way, but my answer was "we have better lynches", and I two pretty strong scumreads at that moment and pushed them. It's completely different. Considering all those other points can be brought from you, I tend to interpret that this is coming more from mafia than from town. Sorry, I UNDERSTAND you, but I don't TRUST you. re:point2) You only commented on Kelsier when I inquired you about him on early game. You only comment on him again to say my case is good and BOOM he is up to be lynched. It's all in your filter. How can he be a clearly second candidate when you basically said he wasn't going to be lynched that day? You just thought he would be AFTER I brought the case, Palmar, and the case had basically no new points that you didn't attack before. It can be seen in your filter two stances: the one you had before my case and the one you had after my case. You had no original scumreads yesterday. You led noone yesterday. You were just letting it happen. re:point3) So, clarity was the best lynch yesterday. Then he isn't anymore because he made a post at night saying he should be vigi. Palmar, man, you know that NO TOWNIE will say that at night. This is actually coming more from a mafia that is trying to say "lol look people, I'm not trying to survive, it's a waste" than an actual townie. I would expect a townie saying "guys don't shoot me, I'm town, I'm just too overwhelmed by real life, I've already asked for a replacement". In fact, your awareness that HTS is searching for a replacement is fairly suspicious. Yes, I know, anyone could reach this conclusion by looking at the player replacement, but it reeks TMI. In Himalaya's, Holyflare did the same thing, telling us bugs was going to get replaced. In other words, Clarity's quote at night, if not scummy, is not alignment indicative. You can't draw the fast conclusion that he is town just because of that, Palmar. re:point4) That's the problem. You say that rayn had a scumread on rsoultin to "fortify" your argument. If you think his ARGUMENT is valid, then it's okay. But you don't even bring his argument against her. You just keep repeating that rayn had a scum read on her. You either say that rayn has a good argument on her and follow it, or you say rayn is a good town player and you follow him. In the first perspective, I think it's okay that you follow him and do not consider his read on you. In the second, however, you're considering rayn's ability to read people, and not the read per se. So, if he has a bad read on you, he could have a bad read on her. You can't say you trust TOWN RAYN instead of TOWN RAYN'S ARGUMENT and not consider he was wrong on you. re:point5) you still have no original or strong scumread. Your strongest scumread today is rsoultin, based on WIFOM, only. Bah. | ||
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On July 29 2015 01:38 boxerfred wrote: Palmar's currently putting a lot of effort in. But those posts really seem like "you know, on the one hand, can be this way, on the other hand, can be that way." That feels really wishy washy, opposing the "you're scum as fuck" push on rsoultin. I re-read rsoultin's stuff on Clarity and it feels reasonable and townie to me. Palmar on the other hand makes a meh defense of clarity, mainly "look he got irl stuff so I believe it so don't lynch". After the lurker experience of Gaiden I'm actually fond of the idea of policy lynching afk's, namely Clarity and Onegu (although I still think the claim is genuine). This is the post Palmar scumread rsoul for after his fake cop claim. Tbh, I had the same thought, so go ahead and read me scum if you want to. My second thought was "Hm, unlikely given that there's a framer in already" but hey, who knows. I think this post is NAI. I can see the possibility of town palmar vs. town rsoultin here. Thought of that already when I said that they are probably not the same alignment, however I think that was a false prerequisite. I have no indicators that they have opposite alignments. So what I would suggest is that we lynch into Clarity instead of choosing between those wagons. The fact that both wagons started rolling rather quickly seems to me as if scum would be fine with lynching any of those two. Also I want to point out that my scum read on GB still stands. I think he soft defended so often, directly and indirectly, that he's still my top scum read. So if anyone wants to get aboard a GB wagon, just let me know. ##unvote ##vote Clarity_nl I'm starting to not believe you're town. You agree that palmar looks scummy, you agree that clarity is a good lynch, and you still scumread me? You think I'm double bussing? You've made a huge case on me but never fully went against me. Why? | ||
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On July 29 2015 02:08 boxerfred wrote: Dude, my vote was on you until I switched to clarity. I said in the post you quoted that you're still my top scum read. However I can't get a wagon going on you, so I switch. Yeah, but you're voting your top scumread's top scumreads. Do you think I'm mafia with Palmar and Clarity? Do you think Palmar is mafia? What do you think of the points I've brought on him? | ||
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On July 29 2015 03:09 KelsierSC wrote: I think I gave 3 good reasons why palmar is likely town this game Plus the fake red check and follow up to it with rsol felt town. I feel pretty strongly he is town @GB I noticed the first few points you raised but you have ignored other points that make palmar town. Plus point 4 palmar comes up with reasons to scum read rsol and then you say he has no original reasons to scum read people? That point 5 seems really stupid to me. I do not ignore points that makes Palmar town. I just think they aren't enough to dismiss the strong scum read I'm having. The reason Palmar used to scumread rsoultin is very WIFOMy, man. I can easily see town thinking I'm the miller OR the claim is fake. You played Himalayas with me and you saw what my red check on holyflare caused. Other than this reaction bullshit, you can see that he is rehashing people's arguments. He even admitted it in his defense post, Kelsier. You can add to that that he is totally focused on rsoultin, forgetting about both you and clarity. He says he didn't forget, that he reevaluated. He reevaluated both of you? How? You didn't answer his reaction test thing. | ||
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On July 29 2015 03:22 KelsierSC wrote: ok if you think scott is town can you explain palmar's actions EOD ? I think he said he was undecided on me actually but w/e Any kind of explanation would be WIFOM. I can't understand what goes on mafia's mind and what they would do to distance himself from his partners or to draw wrong connections. I do have a theory, but I think it's not relevant to town's interest. I'm evaluating Palmar's play, and solely it, and it doesn't make sense. Also, the only reason I'm reading scott as town is for the ninja vote from Firm Tofu to Scott. It is not a strong read due to what I've just wrote about not being able to know what is behind mafia's mind. Scott CAN be mafia. His play is very lackluster. I am pushing Palmar and not pushing Scott because I think my points on Palmar are very strong and dismisses his town points, where what I've brought on Scott is well balanced with the fact that Firm Tofu indeed voted Scott. Maybe Firm Tofu was okay to sacrifice Scott, I don't know. It's a possibility. Palmar could have been hard defending scum partner scott so people would vote clarity. Hmm... | ||
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Like, do you REALLY trust this? | ||
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On July 29 2015 03:33 KelsierSC wrote: hey it was your case on me that got him thinking that way =) hmm let me think some more I think that's the most problematic part lol. | ||
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I'VE DECIDED! WE ARE NOT LYNCHING CLARITY AND WE ARE LYNCHING PALMAR. Seriously, I just realised that no matter who is scum, clarity is a scum driven wagon | ||
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On July 29 2015 06:36 rsoultin wrote: 29/80 ??? based on what did you come to this conclusion, gb? i'm like one of the only people trying to push him -_- Trust my bear senses. His wagon was formed way too quickly | ||
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I would be okay with lynching hopeless today. | ||
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On July 29 2015 08:49 Palmar wrote: I have no intention of lynching clarity as clearly stated in my post about the two people not playing. I've been clear on that for a while since he told us he couldn't play. I didn't mean to imply you wanted to lynch him. I meant that you're advocating to lunch him | ||
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On July 29 2015 09:12 GlowingBear wrote: I didn't mean to imply you wanted to lynch him. I meant simply meant that I don't want lynch him. | ||
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On July 29 2015 13:30 rsoultin wrote: 35/80 lol >< there was once a coach. and this coach he says to me, rsoul, i've got something i like to call the gb read. and i said, hey, coach eden, what's the gb read? and he says to me, well rsoul my awesome pupil, the gb read is this thing where town bounces all over the place with his votes in response to new info. and to this day this is part of how i read the bear (and several other players, in truth)...it has yet to fail me your case is not really a case, snickers you weren't there to ask. clarity wasn't there to ask. i was already saying i didn't want to lynch scott lol, gb, you've been glowingbeared >< And I did what everyone does: never read the case lol | ||
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On July 28 2015 13:46 Snickers wrote: so boxer is confirmed town just to let you know Can you explain to me why you said this? | ||
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You see, I still think that, tone wise, you are Mafia. But when I objectively analyse your play, you're town. This struggle makes me postpone any further analysis of you today. I really want to get rid of scummy lurkers first. | ||
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On July 29 2015 21:19 Snickers wrote: I need posts but its not cause im the cop. Nice try for the nk. I only got two posts left. let m e clarify some points above. TOWN RSOUL is paying attention to the votes and trying to make accurate reads from them day one. she was around for the voting so it is super fresh in her heard and super clear. BUT SHE DOESNT READ gb town until i point out how he was posting her only defense for putting him top town is one small sentence. Even though she did a big post in the middle of the night so yea peasant snickers need more posts maybe rsoul would be so kinda since she isnt using them for anything townie. also i find it hilarious that both gb and rsoul are the ones saying that a clarity lynch would tell us so much about this game. also read rayns filter it goes well into the whole rsoul problem. Dude you don't need MORE posts to explain that shit, if I thought you were hinting you were the cop I would just stay quiet as Mafia and fucking shoot you Stop using your ass instead of your brain, man. | ||
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There is bread in the table that you don't want to eat, but suddenly you smell your grandma cooking that delicious plate you love but you CAN'T eat it because, well, it's cooking. You just threw some of that smell at me | ||
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Please be Mafia, Scott. Pretty please. I can't see you coming from town perspective in any post you post. Can you paste again your notes? | ||
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On July 30 2015 01:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: And yeah, I'm here but I'm playing MKX. I'm pretty happy with where we're headed today. Clarity is probably gonna get modkilled for not voting anyways so I don't see any problems atm. The problem is scott is voting hopeless with his main scumreads without having any prior suspicions or comments on hopeless when both boxer and snickers are voting for one of his top scum reads (me). | ||
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Meh. Scott may still be godfather if there is another investigative role | ||
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That's why I thought it was weird that he said boxer was like confirmed town. Now, I can't possibly believe scott isn't mafia after everything I just brought + his latest vote. It IS scummy. And I find it weird that hopeless didn't keep an eye on Rayn after he fake claimed at the beginning of the game. Hopeless just said he was indifferent on Rayn. He never showed suspicions on snickers either. Plus, why scott? We agreed that rsoultin was the best check here. I'm simply not comfortable with this green check. | ||
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On July 30 2015 02:18 Hopeless1der wrote: I have nothing to explain. Scott is town. Proceed Dude I just said Snickers softed he is a cop and you don't fucking care???? | ||
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On July 29 2015 06:18 Snickers wrote: would people listen to me clairty is the worst lynch On July 29 2015 06:22 Snickers wrote: well considering you dont know why clarity is the worst lynch This made me think he had a green check on Clarity But I just realised that he tries to imply rsoultin is retarded in the second quote. That's why I said SHUT UP, because I thought he was stupid enough to give more soft claims that would be more obvious | ||
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No hopeless. If you are the cop and you hear that someone soft claimed cop, you should AT LEAST be suspicious of the guy and NOT say that you have nothing to explain. If you're cop you DO have to explain how could you be indifferent to Rayn's joke and even to Palmar's check claim on early day2. | ||
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On July 30 2015 02:40 Snickers wrote: bout time you guys figured it out now lynch gb and then lynch rsoul gb flips mafai but not the godfather and rsoul godfather So you DON'T have a check on clarity? You're not the cop? | ||
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On July 30 2015 02:41 Hopeless1der wrote: rayn likes to fakeclaim, i was afk for palmars and he rescinded before I was back. Snickers is baiting shots. If he hard claimed I'd have CC'd How can you be so sure that he is baiting shots?????? | ||
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On July 30 2015 02:44 Snickers wrote: this is why boxer is confirmed town. because he posted the huge post in the middle of the night in order to get feedback. literally everyone ignored him and he comes in with this post. scum never plans a play that complex. this is why he posted it in the middle of the night and not at the end of the night and he specfically said he thought he would die. he wanted to talk about it not just post it. if you saw me debating to myself wtf he was i ended up saying paranoid town because of this. quite obvious and i specifically said im not the cop so gtfo gb. Why the FUCK is clarity a bad lynch then????? | ||
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On July 30 2015 02:45 Snickers wrote: too bad the cop outed we could have lynched rsoul and got the red check on gb so we dont have to go thru another 36 hours of bs cause rsoul prob wont concede Dude if I really play like you I will feel very bad because it must suck to having me spouting nonsense | ||
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On July 30 2015 02:48 Snickers wrote: CAUSE HE IS THE FUCKING ROLE THAT SAVES PEOPLE HE FUCKING SOFTED IT AND HE FUCKING SPECFICALLY TOLD THE VIGI TO SHOOT HIM CAUSE HE KNEW THERE WAS NO VIGI CAUSE OF ONEGUS FUCKING CLAIM JESUSSUSUSUSUSUUSUS Wow so he knew town had no other role like A FUCKING COP?????????? GODDAMN THERE IS NOTHING IN HIS FILTER WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? | ||
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Also, hi slam. I'm about to lynch you | ||
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And I'm okay with being mislynched because I can't argue against stupidity. The only reason you guys are pointing out I could be a good lynch is based on associative reads. Boxerfred is the worst out of this, because he voted outside the wagon too. Now, as I see Kelsier hard defending Palmae and that his play got worse and worse day2, and he simply votes whoever the wagon is, I will be voting him and if you want to lynch Mafia, vote him. If you want to mislynch, vote me. I really don't fucking care | ||
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One thing is certain: Palmar is Mafia. Adding to the points I've pointed out earlier, palmar put a lot if effort earlier when he was scum read, got his wagon shut down and returned to lurk. He sees I'm about to get lynched, someone he has as town, and doesn't care to fight it. So, after I flip, please lynch palmar. I will be the second dead tkwnie saying this. Then you can lynch whoever you want. I suggest someone between Kelsier and scott. I don't give a fuck for hopeless claim. Snickers, when I flip town, if you're not Mafia, this is your chance to reconsider your gameplay that has been tremendously bad. At least you are a newbie and still have time to change it. In my case, I can't. Don't be me. | ||
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I will lynch slam ultimately but I want my Palmar lynch. Yes, he came townie earlier, but at the moment he wasn't a wagon anymore, he didn't try any harder and never helped us to actually decide on the better target to lynch. Who is scum for palmar? I bet you can't say. When he got universally townread he fucked off | ||
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On July 30 2015 06:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Not feeling a slam lynch. Try again town. You're feeling a GB lynch? | ||
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I think we are both town wagons, but whatever I'll vote him | ||
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On July 30 2015 06:40 Palmar wrote: Technically I'm okay with you dying. I don't really have any strong inclinations bf is mafia and you're a pita. Yeah? Even when you say Mafia is between 4 people (not including me) and one of them IS the counter wagon? You don't want to vote him? Cute | ||
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You should think twice before switching | ||
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If you want him dead you have to be quick. | ||
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Hopeless and Onegu arent here | ||
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He is probably town but I'm xonfirmed town to myself | ||
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He is probably town but I'm xonfirmed town to myself NEVERMIND HOPELESS ISNHERE | ||
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VOTE SLAAAAM | ||
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I'm sorry palmar. But maaaaan... I'd lynch snickers over boxer to be honest | ||
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On July 30 2015 07:39 boxerfred wrote: though I'm still not willing to abandon my GB case. w/e gnite I almost died trying to shenannies out of you. Wtf | ||
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On July 30 2015 07:45 boxerfred wrote: sorry for consequently trying to lynch my top scumread Yeah but you must reevaluate people when new facts comes to the thread, dude. Why would I, as Mafia, risk dying to kill my partner instead of keeping my vote on you??? | ||
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On July 30 2015 07:58 KelsierSC wrote: Final Day 2 Vote Count Alakaslam (5): GlowingBear (4): boxerfred (2): Onegu, Hopeless1der (0): scott31337 (0): KelsierSC (0): Snickers (0): Palmar (0): rsoultin (0): Not Voting (0): Going to give where I'm at right now because I think this game is pretty close to over, don't know how many mislynches we have but w/e so Everyone who voted Slam is town, not just for that but other reasons aswell. It's safe to assume scott is town. It looks like we got Named Town and Cop as our roles so framer and GF is way too much cop hate. This probably means onegu is town aswell, he lynched mafia d1 and he claimed named town. Safe to think he is town imo. So that leaves bf, Snickers, Obi bf has voting history against him, he has vs GB against him. There are other things I could try to dive but I sort of found him town EOD 2, I think he probably needs to die next which could be a shame. In the case the game doesn't end with bf dying. It means we have two town wagons in which case mafia doesn't really give a fuck and probably tries to split votes. Which makes obi look worse than snickers, snickers has been posting a lot, most of it bad, but he has cared. I don't get that feeling from obi he basically didn't want town to vote anyone "not feeling GB","not lynching slam". The only town cred obi has is the vote on FT. Plus Snickers gave the tip that his own mafia partner has to be blue? that doesn't make a huge deal of sense. So Lynch Bf, obi, Snickers game ends likely This, basically | ||
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##Vote snickers because that protective role shit was bad and he can't call rsoultin godfather when he knows I'm not her partner (that is where he was coming from: I asked a check in rsoultin because she would turn green) | ||
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On July 31 2015 07:39 Onegu wrote: Why doesnt scum snickers tell scum slam to claim? Like slam is getting lynched why doesnt he say I am medic and not get lynched? Also why would scum go so hard after me day one for my claim. He could be scum here but I really think we lynch BF first. ##Vote: Boxerfred Because slam simply wasn't going to get lynched but we shennannied him. Why would he claim if boxerfred or me was going to get lynched? | ||
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I'd love to see scott dying today tbh. Not the best course of action but man I wish he is godfather. | ||
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By the way, Obi, I just opened a pack of cards today and a got a GODDAMN LEGENDARY! It was Milhouse Manastorm >( I don't really want to lynch snickers solely because he has 11 pages of filter and his play has been very paranoid town... But the fact that he thinks rsoultin is the godfather after I am totes town is so bad... | ||
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I'm lynching boxerfred first. He is objectively a better lynch today. | ||
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Slam votes Snickers: + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2015 03:16 Alakaslam wrote: FUCK DUCK SHIT ASS SHOT BITCH MORE POSTS I CNAT EXPLAIN SHIT BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH POST ##Donate: 10 posts Snickers I am coming to call your bullshit. You have posts now. BUT HOW ABOUT THIS UOU STOP SHITTING UP THE THREAD AND CONSOLIDATE ONE LONG, CLEAN, LOWERCASE POST MAKING USE OF SPOILERS SO THAT IT LOOKS CLEAN AND READABLE AND EXPLAIN WHATEVER SHIT UOU ARE TALKING ABOUT this way you will be readable, and get your point across. For now, since it looks like a big emotional act to look like you should be excused for shit, ##Vote: Snickers Man up, be town, perform. Or my vote stays because I have an exam tomorrow and barely have any time. See you all in depth tomorrow afternoon! Notices boxer, calls him possible mafia with snickers, does not drop a vote on boxer who was my counterwagon: On July 30 2015 03:23 Alakaslam wrote: See, boxer thinks whining about me coming late is a legit excuse to waste a post and snickers also feels this is just A-OK when he has a wealth of posts now, versus explaining his shit and chilling out on the posts- nope, he goes wasting them Classic mafia post restriction game play, prove me wrong I dare you On July 30 2015 03:21 Alakaslam wrote: And I see bitching/whining from boxer and dismissal from snickers. Sea, did I just find the team without even reading the thread? Votes me, boxer's counterwagon, out of bullshit + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2015 03:51 Alakaslam wrote: Apparently not. And fuck. I need to give this more thought when it's not 40 minutes before my final prep class. This really bites. Be back after some hours. Voting Glowingbear because he was the other one arguing madness and is the current wagon. My excuses are actual excuses, hence no time to read much (even had to duck out. I am playing purely from the toilet due to need to study) and apparently the blue shit is already out of the can. Whoever tipped it needs to think about whether it really actually advances the game versus hindering it. Thanks. Note: I claim nothing; I am not telling who or what I am. Period. Basically, if boxerfred wasn't mafia, slam could've just wasted his vote on Snickers. He preferred to vote me exactly when boxerfred's wagon was getting traction (see timestamps [14:51] - Hopeless claimed and boxer was gathering votes) | ||
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Just another (weak) indicator: boxerfred never voted FirmTofu and FirmTofu never voted boxerfred | ||
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On July 28 2015 17:22 boxerfred wrote: I'd say we lynch between Palmar and rsoultin since they are most likely to have opposite alignments from what I've read now. Also lateron I'd suggest a snickers lynch because he's just spamming up the thread without giving genuine arguments to follow up on. Clarity... still need to look into. However there is so much information coming up this day (and clarity completely disappeared, too) that we might actually consider a policy afk lynch. Fun fact. rsouls's xP rate is low as fuck so she probably town :>. Obi why ninja Palmar then? Day2 and this guy still needs to read clarity's 1 page filter lol | ||
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KEEP THE OLD DESIGN!! | ||
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On August 01 2015 02:46 boxerfred wrote: I mean it's even possible for scum to hardcore bus via voting early on since it wasn't clear if there'd be a replacement at all for clarity for a long time. I don't want to greenread GB yet. Boxer, if you're town, have in mind I almost killed myself to kill my Mafia partner when I simply just could have you lynched instead. Just think about it. | ||
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Please read the game with your eyes | ||
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On August 01 2015 12:42 Snickers wrote: town literally said three fucking stupid things last page gb is pissed he isnt cofirmed green for stupid reasons obi thinks he has actually did something important this game and I already forgot what you said I wasn't pissed, I was explaining to boxerfred that if I'm Mafia risking killing myself to lynch my Mafia partner instead of a town wagon, I must be pretty bold Mafia. You can't analyse this, all you did today is whining E EVEN when you're not the wagon, and you fail to present a better lynch today. I mean, you were wrong a lot in this game and you still have this obnoxious behaviour. I've being wrong a lot but at least I'm listening to people? | ||
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And it's fucking GlowingBear who is saying this to you. | ||
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On August 01 2015 12:50 Snickers wrote: Like yea I listen to no one else nothing was fucking said day two until three hours before lynch except lets lynch the dude getting modkilled. Still nothing much was said this day.I am here ready to listen to you mafia pros. Enlighten me please I'll say nothing then and lynch you, because you're like those flies that keeps making noise in your ear when you try to sleep | ||
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On August 02 2015 02:14 Palmar wrote: it's weekend. don't try to pretend it means anything. She's right Palmar. Again you are not pushing any scumread of yours :/ | ||
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On August 02 2015 07:17 Palmar wrote: never listen to palmar. my top town read dead. much sad. I liscenes to you But no sound came across on day 3 | ||
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On August 02 2015 08:58 Palmar wrote: early weekend. it's going to be a late weekend too as monday is off. Oh cool, gotta love Iceland | ||
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On August 02 2015 13:50 Onegu wrote: ' Why dont I like this post? Yeah I had snickers as much less likely to be scum as BF, BF needs to be the lynch tomorrow. I don't like that post either | ||
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On August 02 2015 14:27 boxerfred wrote: I think I'm a great vig shot target btw, if there is one in. would make town people play the game again. If you flip scum this will be the official "town never says this" | ||
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On August 03 2015 00:27 Palmar wrote: everyone who voted for snickers is an awful player. He was the confirmest town in history of mafia because of this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490661-mini-mafia-down-under-3?page=52#1022 So in conclusion rsoultin mafia. Town bad Palmar godlike If you keep doing this I will do everything I can to lynch you before boxerfred. Again, if you wanted to save snickers you should have done this before and weekend isn't an excuse. You only have put effort when I got your wagon rolling, Palmar. Come on. | ||
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You claim you will do nothing on day3 because it is weekend, does not try to save snickers, then at night bring something very strong to call snickers town (after he was lynched) while it's still weekend lol. In other words: you had the time to bring had argument earlier but you decided not to interfere in snickers lynch | ||
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On August 02 2015 14:47 GlowingBear wrote: If you flip scum this will be the official "town never says this" By the way, confirmed. | ||
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On August 03 2015 03:23 boxerfred wrote: Apart from my voting, there is no reason to scumread me. Seriously. Also apart from rsoultin, noone explained why they'd vote me. Noone asked me a single question. I mean okay, great, but if you'd actually have to provide reasons why I'm scum, and force EVERYONE to do it, you guys would at least have some information once I flip. Also vigi fucking shoot me and no, this is not a bad or scummy post. A vigi shot would be the best way to make town actually think about who the fuck is scum and remove the easy lynch opportunity that scum has in me. Like, no. Everybody knows there isn't a VIGI at this point so asking to be Vigi shot is very hypocritical | ||
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Hopeless being the night kill yesterday highly indicates they don't have a roleblocker | ||
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On August 03 2015 05:39 scott31337 wrote: You wanted to lynch Palmar earlier - now you want to lynch me if not boxerfred? Yes! I want to lynch you, boxerfred and palmar, in this order I'll just sheep townies since I was certainly wrong in at least 2 cases, but I really want to lynch you scott. I like you but man I can't get over the fact that you look so fucking scummy... Palmar at least hammered scum twice | ||
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On August 03 2015 06:43 Palmar wrote: Just in case I die Boxer, just like snickers and scott, will NEVER EVER flip scum this game. Probably not if you're scum | ||
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On August 03 2015 07:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Because Kelsier was pretty anti-BF. I don't see why he wouldn't shoot him. That was a fast conclusion obi | ||
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On August 03 2015 07:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Gb why is it that my conclusion was "fast" and rsoultin's wasn't? What exactly are you getting at by bringing it up? Just trying to bring debate on it. I think every player should be discussed | ||
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##Vote Palmar | ||
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I promise I'll do that Palmar. Then I can blame you if we lose | ||
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On August 03 2015 10:25 rsoultin wrote: eh maybe i'm just conceited and don't understand a ksc kill over me lol >< Any nightkill analysis at this point is WIFOM. Maybe scum thought Kelsier was unlynchable since even I was townreading him. IF you analyse nightkill, palmar should shoot ME since I'm the only one who starts his wagon in this game. Best course of action is still to lynch boxerfred. I just want to be right in one of my cases tho | ||
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Anyway, I get a feeling that he is town, but there is nothing strong in his filter that reinforces that. I mostly see him as null. I mean, he certainly is defending himself, but I don't see him putting too much work to point out a better lynch. He goes into Palmar mode to scumread rsoultin which kinda makes me feel that he could be sheeping someone that could possibly be mislynched? Then there is Scott casting suspicions on Onegu unnecessarily. Argh. | ||
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I have two WIFOM reasons to believe that we still could have a godfather role, which is 1) Hopeless died night 1 instead of being roleblocked. For some reason, I think Mafia wouldn't kill him as I was casting doubt on his claim. It would have been better to kill an almost confirmed town and roleblock him. 2) I remember HtS being annoyed by people in Himalaya that talked about not believing that she would put a godfather with a Miller and a framer in a game. She said something in the lines of "people that hosted with me should know the way I balance" and that she didn't see a problem with a framer AND a godfather So, yeah, I'm trying to fight the WIFOM within me | ||
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On August 03 2015 12:50 scott31337 wrote: So is Onegu 100% named town in your opinion? Yes. He parked his vote on a team mate day1. I find hard to believe Onegu is scum here | ||
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On August 03 2015 13:20 rsoultin wrote: we only have one blue role (hopeless) without onegu half the other players here have nearly been lynched without ever claiming anything the likelihood that onegu isn't named vt is pretty small imo, and we can be fairly certain after 3 nights without a shot that there's no vig. he's being lazy and not playing but that's not really any different than most of the town games i've seen him play gb, hopeless died n2 after clarity/slam and ft were both dead. killing him actually makes it more likely that there's no gf or anything to interfere (rb) with the cop role, rather than less i'd argue that there's nothing balanced about named vt/cop against framer/miller (lots of cop hate) and any form of a second mafia role, but that's setup wifom mixed with personal opinion the fact of the matter is hopeless was shot and he wasn't really a great target unless his role was dangerous...or the move was specifically to deny information that would be given by shooting a more prominent player it's just so very unlikely that scott is scum? You mean you believe Mafia has just one role (framer)? | ||
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Who do we lynch? | ||
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Other than the reaction test and Rayn's point, why? | ||
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On August 03 2015 23:12 Palmar wrote: Part tone Part PoE But mostly it's just reaction test sheeping rayn so meh? I'm not 100% certain of who is the mafia. I mostly just know who it isn't. Well, Palmar, if you are town because you couldn't hammer both your team mates, doesn't it make rsoultin more likely town because she probably won't push her scum partner clarity since day one, and won't lynch clarity when boxerfred was pratically dead? Won't Onegu be most likely town because he parked him vote on his scum partner plus he had the balls to claim named VT? Same to obi? Wouldn't boxerfred be an objectively better lynch? | ||
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On August 04 2015 00:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't think Palmar is calling Onegu scum, GB. He is saying Onegu is a good lynch when he is most likely town. Is that so, why saying that snickers lynch was bad? | ||
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I think my brain is regressing | ||
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I mean, nobody will be comfortable to lynch their townreads when they have you on the back of their heads. | ||
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On August 04 2015 14:34 boxerfred wrote: Do we have enough lynches for OWS AND Palmar or only for one of them? Only one of them. | ||
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I expect you to do stuff, unlike the player that replaced out | ||
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On August 03 2015 23:24 GlowingBear wrote: Well, Palmar, if you are town because you couldn't hammer both your team mates, doesn't it make rsoultin more likely town because she probably won't push her scum partner clarity since day one, and won't lynch clarity when boxerfred was pratically dead? Won't Onegu be most likely town because he parked him vote on his scum partner plus he had the balls to claim named VT? Same to obi? Wouldn't boxerfred be an objectively better lynch? You could start answering this since the 4 days weekend is over | ||
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I'm voting rsoultin If she is scum and survives I will have to listen to palmar saying how bad we are forever If she is town and we lynch scum Palmar in LYLO, I can say how good my case on Palmar was (and it was very good) If she is town and we lynch town Palmar I can call him bad every future game we play together | ||
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+ I actually feel she is scummy tonewise | ||
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Why are you so annoyed that I am willing to lynch you? Will the game end if that happens? | ||
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You have just 2 votes. Why are you so angry??? | ||
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It was to prove palmar isn't caring for the game. He scumread you all game long and when I get a vote on you, he votes OWS. What would you expect from a tunneled townie that just got someone to vote his main scumread? Jesus | ||
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Sorry BF, but it's basically PoE | ||
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On August 05 2015 06:28 boxerfred wrote: I bussed the shit out of my scum teammates in my first and only scum game ever you tards. #justsaying Well I did that in my first scum game so... Meh... | ||
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On August 05 2015 06:34 Palmar wrote: I'm almost okay with losing to rsoultin if she's mafia. That's how I'm thinking tbh | ||
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Palmar still scum, we have a team of 4!! | ||
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On August 05 2015 07:11 Palmar wrote: I'm taking a day off Weekend has come? | ||
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On August 05 2015 10:33 rsoultin wrote: ye so we have a problem i have a collection of townreads and a scum to find, and i'm more inclined to trust the strength of the reads based on behavior over claims/role actions y'all aren't going to like me for bringing this up, but i think we may have to seriously consider scott independent of the green check and take into account that ft may have bussed a scummate for the wifom if nothing else is true, it's certainly true that scott's investment in this game after getting "confirmed" has been practically nill onegu's as well, but the difference is onegu's claim will eventually come to kick him in the ass if he's scum (making it even more unlikely for him to make it) and he's not exactly known for investment even as town -_- eh i'll consider palmar, gb, and ows but only if someone has something i'm missing, something powerful, that makes them scum? that's where i'm at before the reread i may or may not get to before EoN. with palmar it's tonal and i'm def not 100% on it but at some point i just have to...stop...waffling back and forth on the what-ifs Last one is Palmar. You just have to lynch him. Seriously, he decided to read the game close to deadline then OH GOD BOXER IS SCUM. Please. | ||
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On August 05 2015 14:23 rsoultin wrote: well...yeah it's kinda convenient for palmar to suddenly agree and lynch bf, but what would have happened if he didn't? he wasn't getting lynched over bf at the time, so only 1. mislynch bf and look better for not being on another mislynch 2. mislynch someone else i fail to see how his read change benefited him as scum? I proved he wasn't caring for the lynch and he immediately had to do something. He suddenly read things and thought boxerfred was Mafia If he didn't do anything he could've been lynched, maybe. I will counter-question: why does a town let a lynch on someone he thinks is 100% Mafia go on and rant on it in the next day? Why does a town keeps pushing a lynch on someone (you) and does NOT try to lynch you when he can, but instead he decides to read the game ON DEADLINE and completely flip his read? | ||
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On August 05 2015 15:57 Onegu wrote: If I am alive with rsoul in lylo I will lynch her 100%. Until then we have another lynch and she isnt the lynch tomorrow. Obi/palmar is most likely... Will look into them if I had a filter but I dont.... you won't be alive | ||
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This is irrelevant to solve the game to be honest. You guys are deciding things that you can't rely on. You don't know what HTS had in mind when she decided the setup. Scott is most likely to be town for the cop check Rsoultin is most likely to be town for the effort he is putting and the constant reevaluation she is having. Onegu is most likely town for having the guts for claiming named VT AND parking his vote on his team power role. Onegu is the weakest here, because he could have the balls to claim named VT in the beginning of day1 as scum + he could've parked his vote because he wasn't really believing tofu would be killed day1 Obi is most likely town for his pushes and for a toneread I had on him. I have to admit though that he is my weakest townread at the moment. Palmar, man, I don't know, it's just that I see very towbie traits in you as I see scum traits in you. I CAN see you coming from town perspective and I can EASILY see you coming from Mafia perspective. For that, I immediately assume you're Mafia because I think you are the top 3 active players in this website. This is where I stand. I'm not Mafia. You can easily see my thought process on day1. Yes, I defended firm tofu and I call palmar Mafia for that, but that is because (1) I had a better read on Kelsier/scott and (2) as we had enough information on firm tofu, I thought we should lynch a scummy lurker instead. I wouldn't, as town, with a guaranteed mislynch (boxerfred), Unvote him and risk dying to have a scum partner dying | ||
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH OH GOD THANK YOU SO SO MUCH | ||
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On August 06 2015 07:02 rsoultin wrote: hmm palmar palmar wasn't really pushing anyone that hard i think it's more telling that onegu/scott still haven't been killed...how much you want to bet scum is in there somewhere. my bet's on scott personally My bet is on you And now I'm serious. | ||
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On August 06 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote: well gb it's hardly surprising you're being bad again lol >< do you have a reason for it this time? speaking of reasons for lynching people scott still hasn't said why I have no other reason other than you seemed like you were preparing this night kill. It's kinda dumb to shoot palmar. It's kinda bizarre that you kept throwing suspicions at both scott and Onegu instead of simply calling them town and letting scum shoot one of them instead of fucking palmar | ||
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Obi, who do we lynch? | ||
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Rayn said that you looked bad because he thinks you're smart and you couldn't react a certain way. I partially agree with this (I think you're smart but you COULD react the way you reacted to him) You've been arguing that the game doesn't have a godfather but probably a goon goon. You said this most of the time. Now that Palmar is dead you want to push scott. But you just said a lot that he is probably town for the green check. And here what bothers me: I usually go for my scum reads even if I face a lot of counter-arguments. I rely on WIFOM scenarios, sometimes. For instance, I think scott could be the godfather. That's me. I've NEVER seen you going through that direction. You're usually more like "GB, you know this is WIFOM". You're just saying to me that a green check from a confirmed cop is less reliable than a named VT claim. You're also saying that OWS is so town to you that a confirmed green check is less reliable than having OWS lynched. Revisit the reasons why you call OWS town. I've been thinking it myself and I can actually remember it well. It was something that I said "okay, I can't see OWS saying this as Mafia", and I actually started townreading you after you had the same opinion. That mind meld was so real that I couldn't see you coming from Mafia perspective at that time. | ||
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Mafia rsoultin: over agressively tone, weird reactions, odd voting patterns and shift of reads after clarity lynch. All I remember is that you wanted to lynch clarity but I don't remember you trying to find Mafia after that. Not like how you did regarding clarity. Actually, I can easily see you going after you useless AFK scum partner just to have him dead and get townread for that. The fact that you never read me as mafia day1 is also weird because when you have me a town pass it was before I was giving my town tell (voting like a popcorn). I remember this clearly. Town rsoultin: effortful, reevaluating reads, not going through the path of least resistance (you had no reason to read me as town and you had no reason to read OWS as town either), pushing a Mafia since day1. <hr> Mafia OWS: just asking questions and not actually putting town on the right track as he normally does as town (I expected more posts like: "Mafia never does this", "this is WIFOM" and other stuff). He basically ask questions without follow ups here. For example, when I brought suspicions on him, he asked my intention, I answered "I think we should discuss every player" and his interest in this stopped here. He never pushed that matter any further. I also never saw obi this game having a strong scum read on people. All I saw was him sheeping (as far as I remember). Town OWS: some posts felt like that could only come from town. I can't remember them, though. <hr> Mafia scott: all my points against him still stands to this point Town scott: he has a green check. Period <hr> Mafia Onegu: he is Onegu. Town Onegu: he parked his vote on a scum partner and never changed it. I clearly remember Onegu, as scum, saving a scum partner to hammer town. <hr> In other words, dear, I have better reasons to believe Onegu and scott are town instead of you and OWS are town. So the lynch must be between you. Palmar's death actually implicates OWS. But that looks too easy. | ||
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I have all the reasons to call you Mafia And I have all the reasons to call you town. If I use Occam's razor, you're town. And you have been so effortful that although I have this imo telling me you're mafia, I'll let you live simply because if you're Mafia you deserve it. That leaves me scott and OWS Presumably, OWS would be the best lynch. But scott has been SO scummy that I prefer to lynch him anyway. + Show Spoiler + I'm still with this idea that, as you have been hard defending me and OWS and townreading Onegu, you chose to go against scott because he was your only option. Let's do this | ||
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On August 06 2015 23:06 rsoultin wrote: lol gb i'm fully capable of changing my mind. did it on palmar. there's nothing preventing me from doing it now as town or scum but ye i want to lynch scott. could i be wrong on like ows/oneg ye, i could i don't think i am? i'm really gambling anyway here, cause i know that if oneg's scum...or even if he's town and it's you or ows i'm wrong on...i'm probably getting lynched in lylo Actually, obi and I are your top supporters. Going against me or him could mean your death (since both Onegu and scott are willing to vote you). On the other hand, if you would take the easiest path you would never shoot palmar here as scum, but rather Onegu. You could put me against him and make the thread look like shit. With the shot implicating obi but you going against the weirdest lynch, I don't know... Makes you probably town? Yeah, I don't know. I don't actually care anymore since the rest of the players are equally not giving a shit | ||
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On August 07 2015 00:01 rsoultin wrote: well you're more like a whirlagig...where he lands nobody knows! ows i'd imagine is either scum or a viable ml so him being around makes sense...palmar and ksc were much less likely to get lynched. regardless it's not terribly relevant at this point Here I am! Rock you like a hurricane! | ||
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On August 07 2015 00:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeh I don't know why you think the kill only benefits me. /shrug Palmar townread rsoultin and scumread you. With him dead, there is no one else pushing you. | ||
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Yes he did | ||
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Yes he did | ||
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My reason tells me obi is Mafia My GODDAMMIT personality wants scott to be Mafia. I don't know what to do | ||
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On August 07 2015 05:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: No. He didn't. Why do you keep saying this? Because he did, obi. He called boxerfred town and voted you. He then said that he is willing to let rsoultin win the game if she is scum | ||
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Anyway, not that I care, I want scott dead | ||
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I can't ever ever see Onegu as scum in this game. | ||
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On August 07 2015 10:11 rsoultin wrote: came back roughly 30 mins before EoD, citing his earlier reason for voting ft...second on the wagon, though, which is an early unnecessary buss, and there was ample opportunity to switch to scott considering palmar voted last minute pretty unlikely oneg is scum, imo. he was more than ballsy enough to save his scum partners last scum game i saw from him, and as i said, his play this game is more in line with his town than his scum meta Exactly. Also, clarity was clearly disposable since FirmTofu joined his wagon. Onegu could've joined clarity's wagon as well | ||
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I will keep my vote on Scott. Wagons today will probably be between obi and scott only | ||
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And if you're the Mafia, very well played (but have in mind I will always lynch you for tone reading instead of any other reasons if I ever play Mafia again) | ||
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I've just said it. Because it doesn't make sense to park your vote on your team's framer while you are at risk of being checked by the cop at night | ||
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On August 07 2015 14:14 scott31337 wrote: So my work put in a new firewall that blocks TL (sadface) so I won't have any more posts until deadline - but I'll just say if you don't lynch rsoul when I die and we lose I will laugh hard at you. If we win in lylo, yayy! If we lose to any one else, I'll be happy with it. Rsoul's mafia magic read is she doesn't leave epitaphs and she does as town. Has she? *bzzzzt* But you are voting and believe this gf/framer/miller combo - when I flip VT don't derp in lylo. Palmar said I'm town - he was town - hopeless had a green check on me - he flipped cop. rayn did too.. etc etc etc Please re-read Bear, don't fail the town. Use 3G I won't re read the game, I would read filters if I could It just crossed my mind: maybe filter can be accessed if a TL + user provides the links? | ||
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Why do you assume I'm town, by the way? | ||
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On July 26 2015 00:52 rsoultin wrote: ye i'm not lynching ksc, snickers, rayn today <- less sure on him due to obstinance after our vendetta strada game but none of those lynch rayn he's acting weird!/talking around the thread vibes are coming through want to sit on obi/oneg/scott...won't call them town yet but they don't bug me as much as some others the rest are fair game and i couldn't care less about currently hopeless/gb/clarity preferred lynches presently...maybe palmar cause i'm not sure what he's doing -_- (Quoting for future reference) | ||
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On July 26 2015 03:36 Onegu wrote: Rsoul why so angry? Also why dont you believe my claim. Legit scum read now. Wtf why shouldn't her lol (I'm re reading day1) | ||
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On August 07 2015 15:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I voted FT. You think I'm suspicious. Onegu voted FT. Onegu is not suspicious. How does that work? Yeah, but you were like the fifth vote? He was already probably getting lynched. I don't know. I maybe getting double standards. But I've already seen Onegu getting out of his partners wagon just to hammer town, and I think he would have done that this time too. It's the framer. And there is no Roleblocker on the Mafia team | ||
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On August 07 2015 15:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Gb, what makes you think a cop would check into the people who voted scum? Do you think Onegu thought this when he was on his partners wagon, obi? "I'm gonna kill my framer so the cop never checks me" | ||
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I ranted a lot that people didn't lynch the confirmed red check on Himalayas And now I'm lynching the confirned green check Karma is a bitch | ||
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On August 07 2015 15:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't really see how this holds much water. How would Onegu have saved him, exactly? By hammering scott | ||
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On August 07 2015 15:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote: No lol. I think the whole line of thinking behind this cop check business is weak. Fine, I can understand your argument. Still, I don't see Mafia Onegu not hammering town scott and having his partner tofu framing him | ||
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On July 26 2015 06:38 Snickers wrote: clarity why the fuck is onegu on ur do not lynch list. | ||
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On July 26 2015 06:42 Onegu wrote: Because I am the uncounterclaimed named town, who claimed in my first post. No way in hell does scum onegu do that as it is suicide if I am CC. And I enjoy playing scum and dont want to get lynched day 1 or 2... Onegu explain to me how you write this on day1 and day3 you say you're totally capable of doing this as scum | ||
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That clarity could've been protecting his scum partner? | ||
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Really Like, in a world where he isn't green checked he is 100% Mafia here | ||
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What the fuck mam... | ||
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On July 27 2015 02:49 FirmTofu wrote: Just looked into scott and hopeless because they're the top candidates. It seems that they are at odds with each other which leads me to believe that they are probably not on the same mafia team together. Mafia bussing each other this early seems like a risky play to me. Could be wrong on that one though. Hopeless seems like just bad town to me. (Yes, I know I'm giving town read now, fuck you) This post right here seems to have some genuine frustration/anger associated with it. He focuses on the the part of scott's post that refers specifically to himself and votes scott because scott has a scumlean on hopeless and didn't elaborate on why. This type of play usually only happens because a town player can't comprehend why any other player would accuse them of being scum because, after all, the town player is town and only scum would call a town player scum. It's terrible logic, but only logic that would come from someone who is town. I'm tentatively town on hopeless but I'll vote him for self-preservation if worse comes to worse. On to scott. I absolutely despise this post. There are so many things wrong here. Scott just posted all of his reads. This is another instance of the semblance of contribution without the actual contribution. Let's evaluate whether this post actually helps town. More than half of the people are just "Null" to him, meaning his read on them is completely useless to us. Of the scumleans he has, I'm one of them and I know I'm town. He's wrong about at least one of his scumleans. His other scumleans are just low posters(easy targets). It doesn't take a genius to point out easy targets. This is exactly the type of post I would expect from mafia. Low contribution, lots of fancy list making, and completely useless. (I actually used to do this as mafia when I was in Titanic mini mafia 2 on this site if anyone wants to have a look, rayn was in that game) Totally down to lynch scott. ##vote: scott31337 I don't know what I think of this. | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:36 rsoultin wrote: bueno, vote clarity ^^ clarity clarity clarity and if he's scum this game i get a cookie! \o/ so start baking Argh | ||
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I KNOW your reasons to call me town. But if you consider voting pattern day1, I should be the most suspicious to you both. I didn't vote tofu nor I voted scott | ||
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On August 08 2015 00:53 rsoultin wrote: also, not to be a bitch gb but >> you being wrong doesn't really mean anything lol >< OOOOOOHHHHHH NO YOU DIDN'T | ||
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On August 08 2015 01:04 rsoultin wrote: when scum looks like they're going to be lynched, generally trying to read into their reads is a bit of a shot in the dark he was clearly willing to lynch clarity. the case on scott has consistently given me pause, i'll admit but as i said...ows/oneg/you all have reasons for me to townread you guys, and the night kills strongly suggest one of oneg/scott because they would be two of the easiest "confirmed" town nks to deny town information. they're both alive what i'm failing to find is a reason in scott's own play, separate of all these other considerations, that makes him look town at all he fell off majorly since the greencheck on him...and not much in the way of bringing his own observations to the game...looks a lot more like treading water in gaiden he had a lot of interesting reads/comments/observations that he kept bringing forward that actually showed an interest in the game and solving it Scott is clearly not fighting his lynch for someone who is the last Mafia. | ||
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On August 08 2015 01:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Scott and Tofu are not the same person. ? I meant scott clearly isn't fighting his own lynch when a mislynch today is crucial for Mafia win con | ||
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On August 08 2015 01:57 rsoultin wrote: what don't you understand about my response to you gb? not only has scott not fought his lynch before as scum, but scum players have not fought their lynches before as final scum how is this stronger than what i've brought to the table? who do you suggest we lynch instead? meh, my only suggestion would be you | ||
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If you're mafia, killing clarity would clear both you and FirmTofu. It makes perfect sense. | ||
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On August 08 2015 02:31 rsoultin wrote: to believe what you are saying, you'd have to believe that i chose not to vote scott d1 you'd have to believe that i just got my second scum partner killed d2 for lolz if that's what you believe... 100% if i hadn't posted that when i did you or bf would have been lynched. tell me i'm scum gb with a straight face lol >< tell me i'm scum Yeah it's pretty hard to say you're scum. But you do understand my hesitation in voting scott right? I'll ask a different question: is there any chance that obi is Mafia? | ||
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On August 08 2015 02:36 rsoultin wrote: page 70 in case you can't remember that the lynch was between you and bf prior to that now who is scum if not scott, gb? I remember I just think clarity was disposable since day1, so it doesn't tell me much to be honest. You gain the town cred to claim it here, as you're doing now. I mean, your first scum read was clarity, and that was a fast one. Maybe TMI. I don't know. It's very very hard. | ||
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On August 08 2015 02:46 rsoultin wrote: lol tina you've never been mislynched as scum clearly you'd instigate a lynch on a scum partner slam who a townie was reading as blue just for the town cred, because you're not confident enough to win a game without that buffer you didn't just mislynch fucking hf and still manage to win without getting lynched huehuehue lynch scott, lynch me, or tell me who is scum You forgot the BRBR | ||
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On August 08 2015 03:35 rsoultin wrote: pssst what is brbr? lol Brazilians asking people if they are Brazilians Come on! If you know HUEHUEHUE you must know BRBR? GIBE MONEI PLX | ||
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On August 08 2015 03:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Going to work in 30 minutes, will be phoneposting if I have time. Still think Gb should put more thought into Onegu. I've put thought on him. I have a hard time reading him. I mean, you actually have to bring to me why Onegu is scum considering Onegu's standard play | ||
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If scott flips town, I lynch Onegu And I prefer lynch scott today because if we fight all the odds and hit a Mafia, it will be legendary. If he flips green people will call me bad and it doesn't matter because I'm used to it | ||
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We are all bad after all | ||
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Good night | ||
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On August 09 2015 04:46 Onegu wrote: Fairly certain GB is the NK. Will park my vote on rsoul. I figured the game out once again. Nice try wifoming. "GB will be the nightkill so that incriminates me lol" It won't work | ||
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No shenanigans is "an option", IMO The real problem I saw around N2 was that town never seemed to realize the position that they were in. There's like 10 people; if you find 4 other town (past the NK) you have an autowin. Your goal should as much (if not more) to be unlynchable obvious town than it is to find scum. Like it should be super easy to find 4 other town and convince them that you're town and that they're town too. You still want to his the last scum earlier rather than later; but it really doesn't matter so long as you're able to find 4 other strong town reads on D3, 3 on D4, 2 on D5, etc. This is very good, but that is basically what town thought. We were lynching by PoE. Obi got to the top townies for most people, so that's why the "series of mislynches" happened. You can see nobody was actually doing work to find the real scum. People were discussing like "ok, I think A B and C are town, who do we lynch today outside of this?" Obi's play was very good. No matter what people say, not even the obs QT had a consensus. By the way, can someone explain me the logic behind vote count analysis? Where do you people get the idea that there must be a Mafia bussing and a mafia outside the main wagon? | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:29 Hopeless1der wrote: Imo the replacement should have been announced whenever you decided and executed with the next cycle post. Other than that, good game, good hosts, all around enjoyable experience. I agree with this tho. Not that it was game changeable, but it sounds better. | ||
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On August 12 2015 02:50 rsoultin wrote: lol it wasn't very fair to slam, tbf True... | ||
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I laughed so hard whenever you posted "what the fuck are these guys doing? I don't know how to deal with this" hahahaha | ||
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