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ObiWanShinobi
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Snickers
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Hopeless1der
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rsoultin
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On July 28 2015 17:22 boxerfred wrote: I'd say we lynch between Palmar and rsoultin since they are most likely to have opposite alignments from what I've read now. Also lateron I'd suggest a snickers lynch because he's just spamming up the thread without giving genuine arguments to follow up on. Clarity... still need to look into. However there is so much information coming up this day (and clarity completely disappeared, too) that we might actually consider a policy afk lynch. Fun fact. rsouls's xP rate is low as fuck so she probably town :> Obi why ninja Palmar then? 21/80 heh >< if oats is actually right on that "xP" thing and i have to start policing my damn posts as scum for arbitrary emoticons i'm not gonna be happy lol >< ye, bf...i think you need to decide between the two of us, too. the votecount makes that clear. i can answer any questions you have for me? and i'm very interested in your reasoning on the matter as an aside, town shouldn't lynch snickers...i'm almost as sure on him being town as i am on gb (please see my big reads post for why, but it basically goes to snickers assuming that a scum member had posted a vt role pm, where posting your role pm is generally against the rules in these games, which would imply that snickers didn't know that ft was scum or he was putting on a very good act...obviously i think it means that he didn't know ft was scum and really thought that he'd just posted a real vt role pm) if that's not enough, though, snickers' enthusiasm while pushing people this game is something i generally consider to be town-indicative | ||
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Snickers
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so he says he mostly agrees with palmars reads. he also says he wants to lynch people who didnt vote firm tofu day one then he agrees with gb (didnt vote tofu) about lynhing palmar (voted tofu) also i think he said something along the lines of consolidation which i think thats why he said check snickers or rso but then he says he wanted to check us because we hard lynches agaisnt the main wagons or the scum. Not both of those reasons but one. but guess who also did a hard push. gb. not saying its scummy but it should make you cringe just like onegu's claim. | ||
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rsoultin
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speaking of which...where snickers had a similar reaction to mine upon seeing the "role pm" palmar didn't. you can read the quote tree here, but this was in response to ft questioning why snickers would say that ft was probably getting modkilled: yes, if you're aware that the OP has the same exact wording as ft posted you'd respond this way, but i know that i had to check cause palmar's comment confused me. granted, he just could have remembered, i guess, so it doesn't make him scum per se, but it could be an instance of tmi. i think snickers' reaction is much more natural to come from town also, gb's point on palmar liking the case on ksc where he'd already disagreed with part of it before is too good lol >< it doesn't help that palmar actually is a very smart player so he doesn't have the scrub defense to fall back on | ||
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Snickers
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in order of people to not lynch today first is clairty second is boxer third is scott (note: i really dont know how scott ended with so many votes i guess i should look into fi people consolidated on scott in order to not vote tofu and had good reasons) obi and onegu are prty town i will finish later. | ||
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rsoultin
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On July 28 2015 21:53 Snickers wrote: obi's play really irks me. so he says he mostly agrees with palmars reads. he also says he wants to lynch people who didnt vote firm tofu day one then he agrees with gb (didnt vote tofu) about lynhing palmar (voted tofu) also i think he said something along the lines of consolidation which i think thats why he said check snickers or rso but then he says he wanted to check us because we hard lynches agaisnt the main wagons or the scum. Not both of those reasons but one. but guess who also did a hard push. gb. not saying its scummy but it should make you cringe just like onegu's claim. 23/80 i understand that you key in on contradictions, snickers but if you read obi's thought process in context, it looks really good. he's adjusting to new info in a way that i'd consider pretty natural, just as you are lol >< ye our votes were bad -_- not consolidating in general is bad and honestly if i'd been more on top of the vote count i probably would have been on the ft wagon but it wouldn't have been alignment indicative at that point, anyway. scum should have been on his wagon there or trying to save him by voting scott | ||
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Snickers
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mine is townie as fuck | ||
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rsoultin
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ye i'm town -_- like, i get you guys scumreading me since i didn't jump all over the ft train but that doesn't make me scum. it just makes me wrong and i'm pretty sure gb is town, too i think you're stuck in the past, snickers | ||
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Snickers
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i mean i guess one could of been afk but idk you were also my #2 scum before the flip | ||
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Palmar
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On July 28 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote: Points on Palmar are basically this: 1) Soft defending Firm Tofu without actually having any strong scum reads he advocated for At the time I was kinda suspicious of scott, but yeah I didn't really have a strong alternative. I have an inherent bias (as very clearly evidenced here) to assume that mafia people generally try not to pick a fight with me on day 1. When presented with FT's attacks on me I had two options: 1) He's mafia, thinks he can get away with calling me scum for bs reasons. 2) He's just a dumbass townie I simply overthought the problem. I was certain no one would be dumb enough to actually go after me like that on day 1, so I kinda wifom'd myself into thinking he had to be town because it'd be too risky to do exactly what I did. I probably need to drop this line of thought from my play in the future and assume mafia are just as likely to go after me as any other player, especially now that I play more casually than I did in the past. Here's a quote from myself showing a similar line of thought: On May 04 2013 07:14 Palmar wrote: I'm not as up to date on the remaing six BC. I think WoS might be town based on effort alone, and TRN is pretty damn ballsy to go after me on n1 mason (if you assume I'm town). He couldn't have known (as scum) that I wouldn't put any effort into the following days, so it's more likely he wanted to buddy up with me as town. I'm reading Sharrant atm, but feel free to throw out thoughts as you go. Thankfully rayn was here, completely disconnected from the situation (FT wasn't attacking him) and thus had a more objective viewpoint and lead town to a good lynch. On July 28 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote: 2) Having a town read on Kelsier early game, agrees to lynch him based on a case he didn't properly analyse that contained points I've pointed out earlier that he dismissed just to call Kelsier town. I never voted for him or pushed for his lynch. He was clearly a secondary candidate to Clarity. If you go back and check my filter I mention probably several times that there exist valid tone reasons to doubt KelsierSC being town. I never had a strong town read on him, I simply had a "would not lynch" read. These aren't really the same thing, especially on day 1. He was attempting to contribute and getting into arguments, even if the main point of your case, and my worries back on day 1, the fact he was so annoyed, were still troubling. Your case kinda summarized all the reasons to think he's mafia and thinking you were town at the time I kind of just rolled with it. Also, part of early thinking he was town was if I recall based on interactions with scott, who gradually started to look more town throughout the day.[/QUOTE] On July 28 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote: 3) Wanting to lynch Clarity for he was the best lynch candidate. Completely forgetting him today just to go against Clarity's main pusher rsoultin. I haven't forgotten about clarity. I just think he's being genuine here: On July 27 2015 22:57 Clarity_nl wrote: Welp irl is shit and everything is shit. If there's a vigi they should shoot me as it doesn't look like I'll get the chance to play properly. I gtg I don't think he's the kind of player that pulls this as an excuse to lurk as mafia. I might be wrong and we shouldn't discount the possibility, but I don't really want to lynch him today. This is more of a meta/personality assumption and I would absolutely not be opposed to him being checked/shot because he's not contributing anything to the thread. Maybe I'm overthinking things again? Who knows? On July 28 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote: 4) Basing his read on rsoultin out of bad reaction testing that resulted in WIFOM conclusion. Also, basing his read on rsoultin out of Rayn's scumread on her. It's opportunistic because (i)Rayn also scum read Palmar and he doesn't take it in consideration. He does not consider that Rayn was wrong on him (if he was town) and could be wrong on rsoultin, also. And (ii) it's a very easy reason to get behind a lynch, to hide himself behind a dead confirmed townie's read. Too comfortable for mafia rayn is a good player who is, just like everyone else, sometimes wrong and sometimes right. He was right on FT He's wrong on me He might be right on rsoultin? Why would I take into any consideration the fact he was wrong on me? That has literally nothing to do with whether or not he's right on rsoultin. And I'm not really hiding behind it, I'm just pointing out he wanted to kill her. It's not the main reason I want to lynch her. I want to lynch her because I do not believe a townie would act the way she did. On July 28 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote: 5) Palmar has no fucking original scumread. All he does is rehashing what other people say That's the best way to play mafia. Take the credit for other people's ideas. | ||
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Palmar
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Glowingbear gets 1 scumpoint for asking the scum a "cheap" question and not following up: On July 26 2015 02:50 FirmTofu wrote: To be honest, I'm still trying to wrap my head around all the posts discussing meta and previous games. Once I get through all that, I'll jump into the current discussion. Kelsier gets 1 townpoint for the mafia actively trying to explain something to him: On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote: If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? Snickers gets 1 townpoint for prompting the mafia to do something (he came back 5 minutes later and announced GB was asking enough questions for his liking). On July 26 2015 03:13 FirmTofu wrote: Give me a sec, I'll look into his filter and get back to you on that. boxer gets a scumpoint for being the mafia's secondary lynch he never talks about again: On July 26 2015 03:42 FirmTofu wrote: Just looked into boxer. He has a trash 6 post filter. I wouldn't mind lynching him either. I wonder if he listed 3 townies? 2 townies? when he said this: On July 27 2015 04:43 FirmTofu wrote: Calling this game now. Mafia team is Clarity, scott, and Kelsier. It's just so perfect. Additionally, he never mentions Onegu and rsoultin. He interacts extensively with rayn who is town and me who I know to be town. He barely talks to OWS (who is in my mind rapidly dropping into scum territory the more i read). Not really sure what to make of all this. I guess the only real point I'm taking is that it reinforces my Snickers townread (who along with scott is best townies). Boxer is more on the map than before too, so is OWS. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
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Palmar
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On July 28 2015 23:23 Snickers wrote: who do you want to lynch today palmar? idk, probably rsoultin but maybe gb or ows. But I'm not quite sure yet. I'm reading stuff and being useless atm | ||
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