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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On July 28 2015 13:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The bolded I really didn't understand. The cop thing was really weird tbh. I think I phrased it bad. He made the cop thing to scumread rsoultin. Then he used the argument that rayn scumread rsoultin and he is GOD TOWN!11!!!1!!!1! Unfortunately, GOD TOWN also scumread Palmar and he is not considering it. He picks from Rayn only what is important to his agenda. You DO agree with me that relying on the confirmation that Rayn is town and had a scumread on his target is a very opportunistic argument, don't you? Especially when the same Rayn also had a scumread on Palmar. If Palmar was town, he would take a step back when using Rayn's scum read on rsoultin to back up his vote. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On July 28 2015 13:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Gb, remind me if I missed it: why is Scott an objectively bad lynch? Firm Tofu ninja voted him yesterday | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
your case on palmar gb is the first case i've seen from you that off memory i actually mostly agree with lol >< i'll look into it later...like there's no sense even wifoming the nk...if rayn is town he's getting shot for the push on ft 100% regardless of who the scum team is unless they're attempting to medic dodge...so the only real conclusion i can draw from it is they weren't dodging i'll look into your case deeper tomorrow morning after i get some sleep the soft defend could be something (though i didn't really disagree with him that ft couldn't be bad town doing that at the time -_-) him liking your case on ksc, though, was pretty damn awful. everyone else could see it was bad also the earlier comment on dropping clar the moment the day started...i also don't think he's reading my posts, which may not mean anything admittedly because a lot of y'all don't @.@ but i did specifically ask him to on the ones we disagree on which included you and ksc | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On July 28 2015 13:53 GlowingBear wrote: I think I phrased it bad. He made the cop thing to scumread rsoultin. Then he used the argument that rayn scumread rsoultin and he is GOD TOWN!11!!!1!!!1! Unfortunately, GOD TOWN also scumread Palmar and he is not considering it. He picks from Rayn only what is important to his agenda. You DO agree with me that relying on the confirmation that Rayn is town and had a scumread on his target is a very opportunistic argument, don't you? Especially when the same Rayn also had a scumread on Palmar. If Palmar was town, he would take a step back when using Rayn's scum read on rsoultin to back up his vote. The bolded is the key issue I had with his reasoning. I don't understand how it outweighs a clarity vote. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
1) Soft defending Firm Tofu without actually having any strong scum reads he advocated for 2) Having a town read on Kelsier early game, agrees to lynch him based on a case he didn't properly analyse that contained points I've pointed out earlier that he dismissed just to call Kelsier town. 3) Wanting to lynch Clarity for he was the best lynch candidate. Completely forgetting him today just to go against Clarity's main pusher rsoultin. 4) Basing his read on rsoultin out of bad reaction testing that resulted in WIFOM conclusion. Also, basing his read on rsoultin out of Rayn's scumread on her. It's opportunistic because (i)Rayn also scum read Palmar and he doesn't take it in consideration. He does not consider that Rayn was wrong on him (if he was town) and could be wrong on rsoultin, also. And (ii) it's a very easy reason to get behind a lynch, to hide himself behind a dead confirmed townie's read. Too comfortable for mafia 5) Palmar has no fucking original scumread. All he does is rehashing what other people say | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On July 28 2015 13:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The bolded is the key issue I had with his reasoning. I don't understand how it outweighs a clarity vote. It outweights because we are talking about a player we have a lot of information that makes him scum (Palmar) VERSUS a player we are scumreading for lack of information (Clarity). It also outweights because if you believe Palmar is Mafia, he was ready to lynch Clarity over Tofu and he clearly was soft defending Tofu, which makes Clarity mafia. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On July 28 2015 14:04 GlowingBear wrote: It outweights because we are talking about a player we have a lot of information that makes him scum (Palmar) VERSUS a player we are scumreading for lack of information (Clarity). It also outweights because if you believe Palmar is Mafia, he was ready to lynch Clarity over Tofu and he clearly was soft defending Tofu, which makes Clarity town. EBWOP | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
i'll admit that you may be right on clar, which would mean my d1 was pretty shitty -_- still will review the case but it jives and that's usually a good sign i need to think about clar. i don't really see a scum palmar making a play to try to push a mislynch on me over clar if we're both town cause path of least resistance and all, though...and frankly, dropping the scumread like that makes me twitchy anyway like, the only reason i can think of to push a mislynch on me over a mislynch on clar is he doesn't have to nk me that way lol >< and it kind of implies that he could be town if one of rayn's other scumreads flips town that's pretty next level though i think? i dunnae ye, i'll think on it. means nothing if palmar isn't scum, anyway -_- | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
This looks like something I can get behind. If Palmar is scum, who else goes with him? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
...possibly scott i guess? though that's an awful lot of interaction between the scumteam if that's the case @,@ i need to look deeper into the associations between clarity and palmar/ft and see if i was just being awful d1 nh...i think all my strong townreads still hold pretty well, regardless \o/ yay for strong reads i didn't like hopeless' entrance this day phase but i'm obviously biased | ||
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
Is that really scum/scum though? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Day 2 Vote Count Palmar (4): GlowingBear, Snickers, rsoultin, ObiWanShinobi rsoultin (3): Palmar, scott31337, Onegu GlowingBear (1): boxerfred, Clarity_nl (0): Not Voting (3): KelsierSC, Clarity_nl, Hopeless1der As the wind blows, Palmar is staring death in the face. Day 2 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted. The live voting tracker is located here. Please FORMAT YOUR VOTES CORRECTLY in the voting thread or the script will not pick your vote up! | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On July 28 2015 14:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Iuno, I forgot that he wrote that giant case on scott that went nowhere. Is that really scum/scum though? 20/80 ye...it's a lot of interaction for a scott/palmar/ft team but it does explain the hammer on ft that said, palmar scumread ksc for wanting/trying to switch to scott last minute, citing that ksc couldn't have known that palmar would switch trains couldn't the same be said for palmar, though? without ksc, palmar can't hammer scott anyway, so if you're scum it's better to be on your scummate's wagon than pushing the counterwagon (even if the counterwagon is scum) i dunnae, still kinda inclined to read scott town now that i've thought it out in here lol >< i had a definite feel that the main one ft wanted to lynch from his filter was scott the clarity scumread came from out of the blue when clarity was the alternate wagon and you needed to prompt him for him to even qualify it. it's tonal i guess but i felt like he was more excited about lynching scott than clar | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
Clarity... still need to look into. However there is so much information coming up this day (and clarity completely disappeared, too) that we might actually consider a policy afk lynch. Fun fact. rsouls's xP rate is low as fuck so she probably town :>. On July 28 2015 12:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It meant I want to lynch clarity and hopeless. Obi why ninja Palmar then? | ||
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
could you go into detail about rso or palmar? | ||
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