Newbie Student Mafia XIII

On July 27 2015 07:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
scott replaced Flexes...uh oh that may or may not be an improvement judging by how often scott posts. Anyway, welcome buddy.

On July 27 2015 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I gotta go to bed.
shoot Fexexs.
check tictactoe.

i think they are the last mafia.
i think moosy is not mafia.

be aware of sulf and breshke, mayyyybe NM.
i don't think anyone else has a chance of flipping mafia.

On July 27 2015 10:37 Sulfurus wrote:
I did NOT get roleblocked last night.

And if you did I recommend claiming cause it's kinda like a green check.

On July 27 2015 18:50 Rels wrote:
Why Sulfurus has to be mafia: the easiest case in the world

1. Did nothing for half of day 1
Yes. In spoiler you will find the only post Sulfurus made D1. Not even good apparently.
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2. His playstyle
Sulfurus played three games prior to this one: newbie X, XI and XII. He was lynched in all three.
In the first he was VT (see? I'm learning). In the other two he was GF. He had the same playstyle that is displayed is this game; very few posts, not much explanations, sudden attacks on people.

I just can't believe he would keep this style if he was townie.

3. Voting on Barakos
Sulfurus voted on Barakos after half of D1, clearly sheeping the thread sentiment. While voting for a mafia is never scum indicative, the way he did it is not town indicative either because:
- Barakos hadn't posted for 8 hours at the time.
- He almost only talked about Barakos. In fact, he only made two meaningful post: one case on Barakos, and one case on noobking. We'll talk about the noobking's post later, no worries.

4. No explanation on his list
Sulfurus posted this:

But he only explained a few of his reads, ignoring these posts:





He even quoted this last post but never answered:


Plus, in his Barakos post he said:

So he "started" and never continue.


5. He voted moosy with no explanation
Moosy was number 2 on his list, and he never explained his read of him. Just voted him off.

6. His case on noobking is bad
noobking's defense was good so I have nothing to add here.
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Conclusion
Mafia.

##Vote Sulfurus

On July 28 2015 00:06 Rels wrote:
Questions for scott:
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On July 26 2015 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You can also ask TicTock why he does nothing to push his scumread who is pushing Barakos. Like the latter part of the day he talks way more about me than he talks about Moosy, who is his preferred lynch. He has me as scumread so again (as he did with Rels/NocturneMage early on in the game), he is indirectly defending Barakos - as i said - by not attacking my argument on him (which apparently was even a good one as he said to Damdred on D1) but instead attacking me.

As i have pointed out this is really flimsy at best. Everyone knows that, (1) if there is a bad case you cut out the bullshit by telling why the case is bad as you do not want to lynch people based on bad cases as the lynch will most likely hit town, and (2) THEN you push your own case you think is better.

In this case, however, Tictock says nothing about the case being bad. If the case is not bad, then it is actually likely the person the case is on, is mafia, and the person making the case is town. It is basic logic.

He does not do that. Instead he attacks my credibility by calling me mafia (for reasons that never make anyone mafia). Whatever you say this actually is indirectly defending Barakos, because you cannot possibly think i am mafia for doing what i did on D1 in case Barakos is mafia. Therefore he must think Barakos is town, and then he logically should... well see the couple of paragraphs above. Furthermore he STILL thinks there is a chance i am mafia, which is fucking awful at it's best. Truth to be told based on D1 i am the towniest person in the game, period. PERIOD. If i am alive in LYLO please feel free to call me mafia because THEN it can make sense. Now it doesn't. Noone who is town can actually think i am mafia based on D1.

I am the person who has made the most contributive posts in this game. My thought process has been pretty clear all game long. Damdred, who knows me best in this game, thinks i am town. Somehow TicTock twists this into me being mafia. First of all if he cannot read and cannot understand why i say the stuff i do then it's his fault, because my filter is in fact VERY FUCKING CLEAR of what i am pushing and why i say the stuff i do. It never makes me mafia, claiming so is bullshit. I have posted the most in this game, it never makes me mafia, claiming so is bullshit. He claims i can be scum for "used a couple of questions with fordrawn conclusions while pushing Bara". Well yeah, i did that, specifically when i asked him why his scummy post is scummy. HE SAID HIS POST IS SCUMMY HIMSELF!!!! How am i NOT supposed to ask a question with "fordrawn conclusions"?!?!?!?! wow, such train of thought. And this; "2 scum reads (Noc & Bara) were largely parroting other peoples reads". I have NEVER parroted other people in this game regarding Barakos/NM. The conclusion is full-retared. Feel free to point out where my case on Barakos is parroting other people. Feel free to point out where me scumreading NM early on for "producing reads that always have an out" is parroting other people."

If you cannot do that, exactly 100% of your case on D1 is bullshit and you should be lynched for a bullshit case which you cannot think makes anyone mafia.

On July 25 2015 13:51 Tictock wrote:
I was a bit worried about n00b earlier in the game here which is why I gave him a card. He just didn't seem very interested, and opening with a vote against Ruxx didn't boad well.

However his posting has gotten much better and has been seeming more like his usual self.

This post especially sold me:


So n00b stands a solid green for me now, pretty much never lynching the guy.

On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:
I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post.



      At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia.

      Also please don't listen to his excuse about how that post was a 'trap' for NSMX people. He knows he messed up and he's trying to cover up.

On July 25 2015 17:26 n00bKing wrote:

Like, everything you say here is pointless, false, or BOTH. Would it help if I quoted FIFTY posts from Barakos in Newbie X that are neither block-y nor rectangular? Because they are there. And it also isn't true that in this game, the only post from him that is block-y and rectangular is the one you quoted. Posts 12 and 13 in his filter from this game use the formatting you're talking about, even though they were both after the post that you quoted. He ends a sentence, starts a new line, but does not put in a line break to start a new paragraph. Just as was often (but not always) seen in his posts in Newbie X, and that's what gives some of his posts that distinctive layout.

So again, even if what you were saying was true, I don't think it would matter. But it's not true. There are some good reasons to be suspicious of Barakos. This crap about the shape of his posts AIN'T those good reasons. So I understand why people are saying that it looks like you might be reaching for new reasons to sheep thread sentiment, instead of just sheeping the reasons that were already given.

On July 25 2015 22:06 ruXxar wrote:


##Unvote
##Vote rayn


Sorry buddy, it happens to everyone.

On July 26 2015 05:04 n00bKing wrote:

So yeah. All that stuff about him giving analysis on a better lynch target, and doing a better job of defending himself, obviously did not happen.

One of the other things I was scumleaning him for (which I don't remember reading from anyone else, though I might have skimmed some of the longer cases on him, since I was already scumleaning him myself, and was waiting to see if he would come back and perform better to change my mind) was the appeal to emotion in that same post (the post that everyone hates). Appeal to emotion is a mafia tactic.

He complains about the poor weather and feeling bad, and the headaches. So that he'll be a sympathetic figure in our subconscious, and not someone we want to kick out of the game right away before he can have any fun. I've seen scum players do this kind of thing in a few of the games I've been in (outside TL) and we also JUST saw JonnyLaw do it as scum in the Lost But Not Forgotten game. Any true-to-life excuse that they can use to get sympathy (without needing to lie about it) is a tough opportunity to pass up.

My other arguments against Barakos feel like a re-hash, so I'll stop after just adding that one point.

Since no one seems to want to help me pressure Rels...

##Unvote
##Vote: Barakos

On July 28 2015 03:16 scott31337 wrote:


Pretty decent case, I could sheep this..

##Vote Sulfurus

I'm still not caring for TT or n00bking either, n00b is really defensive and doesn't look like his town game. Pretty sure two of the mafia are in these three.

I'm doing some research on Chronic kidney disease, lipids and apolipoproteins so
I'll be on and off today.

On July 27 2015 13:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We most likely have a cop and a green check on moosy.

On July 29 2015 05:26 scott31337 wrote:
Fuck looks like votes are on me - I guess I have to do this now.

I'm the cop and have a green check on MoosyDoosy.

My crumb in this message -



If you look up "Chronic kidney disease, lipids and apolipoproteins" the first link is
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24607852
If you look up TL's post 24607852
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24607852
Is

So get your votes off of me NOW PLEASE!

On July 29 2015 15:55 ruXxar wrote:
Last mafia N00b + moosy.
It makes too much sense.

N00b insisted he would've gotten moosy lynched for sure if he was mafia.
Not so easy when moosy is your partner.
Also he was scared as shit of getting cop checked because he's the role blocker.

Moosy is the god father.
He admitted several times in the thread that he is mafia and doesn't give a shit about the game in general.
His day 1 was atrocious and he had no opinion of anyone all day.
He was paying 0 attention to the thread and threw ad hom attacks en masse after me.
He was figuratively begging to be cop checked by his play.

Moosy, get dunked. Your "hurr durr I'm mafia" play isn't going to work any longer.

On July 30 2015 04:22 n00bKing wrote:

Put yourself in my shoes. Why in the hell would I explain anything else to you, ever again? I've explained things and explained things, and explained things, and nothing ever penetrates. You just come back (EVERY time) with "Durrrr....I still don't understand!" So this is just another thing that I could explain until I'm blue in the face, and you'll either (by some miracle) still not get it, if you're Town, or pretend to not get it, if you're Scum. Moosy had the right attitude toward you all along. I'm ashamed that it took me longer to figure it out than it did for him.

Remember when I said I wanted you to play in my 4th Newbie game, so my mind could be blown by the notion that someone who plays like you do could be listed as a "veteran" player? I changed my mind. Please do not participate in my 4th Newbie game.

And Dear Mafia,

Remember how I asked you to not kill me on Night 1, because it was my birthday? I changed my mind about that too. PLEASE kill me on Night 2.

On July 29 2015 04:04 NocturneMage wrote:
Just got home from work.

So people don't want to lynch Sulfurus - reading his last few posts and I have some questions.

- why is he looking at disformation (between him and Breshke)
- one issue I have with him is why his read on Moosy isn't changing when Moosy's done a bit (he's saying his lynch list isn't changing except for the two names he's brought up)
- Moosy has done some things that appear towny to me (read on) so I don't know how he's making a determination why he's still scummy (and less so disformation)

Sulfurus if you can answer these it would be great.

Reading a few filters...

I already voiced a few potential scum issues with Breshke (the ruxxar read drop, not getting anywhere on Sulfurus despite discussing noobking) but I need to read the Moosy/Breshke convo again, it looks really difficult to read at first glance...

Right now, the only real argument I've seen all game against Moosy is the question dodging although I thought he answered at some point why his read on Breshke evolved, mainly based on lurkiness. He has provided town reads and a scum read d1, and his response to Rels regarding the Barakos wagon "in the event it was wrong....would I have achieved anything" I thought was pretty towny.

I really don't think Moosy is the choice to go to lynch today, still townlean, and although it would appear that Tictock has moved on to a Scott/Breshke scumteam, he still has Moosy in his bottom three so unless it's buried in this thread somewhere, I'm curious as to why Tictock wasn't moved once Moosy provided those questions other than the argument "he's active and he's posting but still not that great."

And actually that's another point against Breshke - Breshke cited question dodging against Moosy as well when he returned to the thread, and Moosy had before resolved the questions I'm pretty sure.

I checked the meta read on Breshke and the argument holds, even accounting to equal the number of days, since he didn't last long in his scum games.

On July 30 2015 05:07 Damdred wrote:
Scott, as town when your top scum read votes someone before you do. Do you become hesitant to lynch that person or just pile on.

On July 29 2015 03:26 Tictock wrote:


Humm.

You are voting for me, but you are not reading my posts...

I posted a list of all the games Bre's been in, his alignments, and links to his filters. Copied it from the TL Mafia Database...

Wondering if Ruxx is actually Mafia here now. He's been all over the place, voted off the Bara wagon (with me no less) and doesn't really seem to care where his vote goes EXPECT he never once put it on Bara. Interesting.

Just sayin that if I do get lynched here it's pretty obv that you all should look harder at Scott and Ruxx tomorrow for their votes on me.

On August 01 2015 06:56 ruXxar wrote:
Here's a tip people:

The scum is n00bking and Damdred.

On August 01 2015 08:30 Sulfurus wrote:


Speaking for myself the EOD heavily exhausted me so I took a much needed lunch break.

Look at this:
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This vote was taken pretty earlier in the day right after Breshke put his vote on NocturneMage and never took it off. You never do this as mafia especially in a split vote. I am going to be extremely hesitant to vote anyone who lynched NM but Breshke is basically confirmed town.

On August 01 2015 10:56 disformation wrote:


I could tell you a tale of waffleboy lynching his #2 scum read over his #1 scum read and getting pocketed by said #1 scum read the very next day. Turned out the #1 scum read was the GF. Said #2 scum read was VT Sulfurus btw.

On August 01 2015 08:31 scott31337 wrote:
You pulled up another sick bus if it's you - extremely doubtful.
Rels may have pulled off the sick RB play but is extremely doubtful too unless he doesn't die tomorrow or d5 (I'm 100% confirmed, Rels is like 99%, they may RB me another day and kill him)

N00b I'm still suspicious of, although he pulled off a lot during today - although extremely defensive.. I think he's second to last,

Sulfurus - He'd be third still - this sucks without filters right now (I know of Ruxx's link)

ruXxar - He's a possibility in a tinfoil hat world - I don't see the super tunnels and decent analysis though as mafia -but he's a paranoid one when I've read his last two games as mafia though.

disinformation - he just seems like honest, talking all the time on his thoughts town - he's probably second or third under Rels and you - One I'd probably let him win if he's the last mafia he's felt that "townie" and mafia award scum game if he is.

Breshke - lowest lean I'd say - he was slightly better this day - but he's just so "in the middle" it seems.

My heart says its ruxxar with some sickplays tinfoil.

My mind says it's Breshke.

On August 01 2015 08:31 scott31337 wrote:
You pulled up another sick bus if it's you - extremely doubtful.
Rels may have pulled off the sick RB play but is extremely doubtful too unless he doesn't die tomorrow or d5 (I'm 100% confirmed, Rels is like 99%, they may RB me another day and kill him)

N00b I'm still suspicious of, although he pulled off a lot during today - although extremely defensive.. I think he's second to last,

Sulfurus - He'd be third still - this sucks without filters right now (I know of Ruxx's link)

ruXxar - He's a possibility in a tinfoil hat world - I don't see the super tunnels and decent analysis though as mafia -but he's a paranoid one when I've read his last two games as mafia though.

disinformation - he just seems like honest, talking all the time on his thoughts town - he's probably second or third under Rels and you - One I'd probably let him win if he's the last mafia he's felt that "townie" and mafia award scum game if he is.

Breshke - lowest lean I'd say - he was slightly better this day - but he's just so "in the middle" it seems.

My heart says its ruxxar with some sickplays tinfoil.

My mind says it's Breshke.

On August 01 2015 22:36 disformation wrote:
Not much time today either. =/
Will have more time again. starting tomorrow.
But let us look at the votes:



If I remember right, Damdred was on scum way earlier, but his first vote didn't count because of a typo. So we have ruXxar voting for town. And of course some of the ppl on barakos who could have easily bussed him. n00bKing was kinda late to this wagon, but he had some posts through the day indicating that he will switch to barakos, should he not show up. Genuine or setting up for the bus?



Nocturne was on scott, lolz. A lot of very towny ppl were on TT... was scum at all on the TT wagon? There might not have been any need to. Left are ruXxar and n00bKing...



Here we either have an incredible bus by Breshke or Sulfurus (don't really think so though). I am still on Sulf because my last minute vote didn't go through. Might make me look a bit worse for trying to get last minute town cred or something. Otherwise we are left with Rels, n00bKing and ruXxar.

So yeah... unless Sulfurus or Breshke set up some really sick busses D1 AND D3 we are pretty much left with n00bKing or ruXxar. Shocking.
Other opinions? Did I miss something?

On August 02 2015 02:51 Rels wrote:


Day 1 final vote

barakos (8): raynpelikoneet, disformation, Damdred, Breshke, Sulfurus, Rels, n00bKing, NocturneMage
MoosyDoosy (2): ruXxar, Rels, Tictock, ruXxar
NocturneMage (0): Rels
ruxxar (0): n00bKing
rels (0): n00bKing
raynpelikoneet (0): ruXxar
Not voting (3): MoosyDoosy, Barakos, Flexes

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Day 2 final vote

MoosyDoosy (1): TicTock, Sulfurus, ruXxar, Breshke, ruXxar
sulfurus (0): n00bKing, disformation, Rels, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337, n00bKing
TicTock (7): raynpelikoneet, scott31337, Rels, raynpelikoneet, ruXxar, scott31337, Sulfurus, disformation, raynpelikoneet, Damdred, Breshke
n00bking (0): ruXxar
breshke (0): TicTock
scott31337 (1): TicTock, Damdred, disformation, Breshke, MoosyDoosy, n00bKing, NocturneMage, raynpelikoneet
NocturneMage (2): Damdred, TicTock, MoosyDoosy, scott31337
rels (1): n00bKing

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Day 3 final vote

NocturneMage (4): Breshke, Sulfurus, Damdred, scott31337
Sulfurus (3): Rels, disformation, n00bKing
n00bking (2): ruXxar, NocturneMage

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On August 02 2015 02:51 Rels wrote:


Day 1 final vote

barakos (8): raynpelikoneet, disformation, Damdred, breshke, sulfurus, Rels, n00bKing, NocturneMage
MoosyDoosy (2): ruXxar, Rels, Tictock, ruXxar
NocturneMage (0): Rels
ruxxar (0): n00bKing
rels (0): n00bKing
raynpelikoneet (0): ruXxar
Not voting (3): MoosyDoosy, Barakos, Flexes

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Day 2 final vote

MoosyDoosy (1): Tictock, sulfurus, ruXxar, breshke, ruXxar
sulfurus (0): n00bKing, disformation, Rels, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337, n00bKing
Tictock (7): raynpelikoneet, scott31337, Rels, raynpelikoneet, ruXxar, scott31337, sulfurus, disformation, raynpelikoneet, Damdred, breshke
n00bking (0): ruXxar
breshke (0): TicTock
scott31337 (1): TicTock, Damdred, disformation, breshke, MoosyDoosy, n00bKing, NocturneMage, raynpelikoneet
NocturneMage (2): Damdred, TicTock, MoosyDoosy, scott31337
rels (1): n00bKing

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Day 3 final vote

NocturneMage (4): breshke, sulfurus, Damdred, scott31337
sulfurus (3): Rels, disformation, n00bKing
n00bking (2): ruXxar, NocturneMage

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On August 02 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote:


This is super important and I think tis pretty alignment indicative, one of your top scum reads has a good chance to get lynched do you

A) Push against a TT lynch who you think is super town, so town that you post a town case and Vote for Mafia!Mages who you have had a scum read on since d1.
B) Vote Mages and push for mages to be lynched since there is a decent shot that he is lynched today with a bit of extra push against raynes lynch.
C) Make a town case on TT, never make a vote that can help save your town read and dont' vote for your mafia read who has a chance to ge tlynched while you are in thread.

Noob picked C, I don't see town motivation

On August 02 2015 06:47 Damdred wrote:


Yep I don't see how you can say you hard town read someone and not vote for the alternative wagon and afk your vote where it won't do any good? Whats the point of going out of your way to townread someone so hard and not relaly help the lynch in the right direction?

I only see scum trying to save a partner and not take any of the bad juju fro a town lynch.