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Like you are one of the few players i know who just makes 1000x more sense as mafia then they do as town.
Himalayas was a game i actually followed from the beginning to the end and when bugs replaced out he was one of my strongest townreads. When you get into the game i was like "yeah this ruxxar dude is definitely mafia because he is making sense but not really saying/doing anything". I also read Gaiden to some extent, and to be honest i thought you were town because from the beginning rsoultin was screaming red to me, apparently i read you town for your bus, as i only read your posts from something like D4 (when you were double bussing). I also think i read a start of some game you were town in and the difference of your town/scum play is like a fucking day and night.
Anyways, you aren't making any sense so it probably makes you town.
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Also this Moosyguy has a terrible basis of playing forum mafia.
Like who the hell says "please do not try to read into why people say the stuff they do". rofl. Worst post i have ever read i any game of mafia. But it doesn't make him mafia, especially when he actually follows his dumb narrative which makes him... tunnel the people he knows and doesn't like.
dumb, but not scum.
so yeah, you are both town.
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Current Day Votecount
barakos (6): raynpelikoneet, disformation, Breshke, Sulfurus, Rels, Damdred (misformated)
moosydoosy (1): Tictock
rels (1): n00bKing
rayn (1): ruXxar
so none of my scumreads are on the lynch i am pushing (except for maybe Sulfurus but i am back to thinking he is town).
I am fairly certain Flexes is mafia aswell. Another player i think is scum is Tictock. And he is ACTUALLY pushing something else (Moosy). It doesn't make any sense for him to disagree with the case AND to think i am mafia when he does never address my case at all. Also his reasoning for thinking i am mafia is terrible and has no substance. Like 2/4 of the reasons aren't even reasons that can possibly make someone scum. "you post much, therefore you are mafia". Does that seem like a reasonable read?
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On July 25 2015 23:12 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like you are one of the few players i know who just makes 1000x more sense as mafia then they do as town.
Himalayas was a game i actually followed from the beginning to the end and when bugs replaced out he was one of my strongest townreads. When you get into the game i was like "yeah this ruxxar dude is definitely mafia because he is making sense but not really saying/doing anything". I also read Gaiden to some extent, and to be honest i thought you were town because from the beginning rsoultin was screaming red to me, apparently i read you town for your bus, as i only read your posts from something like D4 (when you were double bussing). I also think i read a start of some game you were town in and the difference of your town/scum play is like a fucking day and night.
Anyways, you aren't making any sense so it probably makes you town. This is why I think moosy is mafia. The way he was so confident brimming with information about my meta when he was talking to breshke sounded to me like someone with perfect information just packing on excuses for why he's right and you're wrong. Like seriously, these 2 early posts by moosy are just so damn weird in my mind. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24594514http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24594619
I do not see anything weird in that.
In mafia you are supposed to shut down cases you think are bad. Because if you don't, dumb people / scum can believe (or "believe") a bad case. It's not once or twice when people get lynched for stupid shit, for no apparent reason, when everyone is just afraid to go against the read for whatever reason.
He is basically saying "ruxxar being stupid does not make him mafia - go do something else". He is reasonably explaining why he thinks so. There is nothing wrong in that. There is no contradiction. Basically the whole post makes sense if you put yourself into his mindset and consider the fact he actually believes what he says. Because i am pretty sure he does. Furthermore the rest of his play on this D1 - while being extremely unhelpful imo - follows this very same mindset.
It is extremely unlike Moosy is mafia because of the above.
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And please stop saying things like "if this then that".
Yes it is impossible i am mafia with Barakos, but you should not be saying/thinking like that.
What is the point of saying "if this then that" when there is no "this"?
What you say means absolutely nothing.
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yes you are right on that.
he just calls my case bad without saying why he thinks it is bad.
he calls me "sheeping others opinions" when my case is actually original.
he calls me mafia for that, something that is not even right at all.
basically he is not reading the thread at all and instead of pointing out why something is not right he goes into "around the argument" mode and instead of attacking the argument he attacks the player behind it to discredit the case in itself, which makes no sense at all.
usually people do that when they cannot attack the case. and it makes them mafia.
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On July 25 2015 23:31 ruXxar wrote:
MoosyDoosy
TicTock
NocturneMage
Flexes
Found barakos scum partners right here.
FTFY
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You obviously aren't thinking much are you?
Also I have posted more content and anyone else in this game so you are just straight out lying.
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On July 26 2015 05:36 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 05:07 Damdred wrote:
Ok so lets say for a minute that the post is towny by logic (which I'm not saying) the next logical step is to have reads at some point in the day with substantiated reasoning behind it.
One problem I had with this post was that the reads still aren't substantiated beyond a copy paste of the allegations against him. With a slight twist on why those people are town who point out the problems.
The second is he automatically accepts both of us as town for thinking he looks scummy which doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If someone starts a wagon/joims a wagon one of my first thoughts is is scum looking for an easy mislynch which he doesn't do.
if bara flips scum rels is town no matter what to me obviously The bolded is a fairly decent point.
How do you feel about the fact your scumread said that about a day ago?
Or are you even reading my posts?
I doubt.
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This is probably the best i have ever done. 
Make a mafia make a case on themselves then prove why it's a scumcase.
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If you are a cop i suggest you check Tictock or n00bKing.
If you are a vigilante 100% shoot Flexes. He is mafia.
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How can people possibly think NocturneMage is a top condidate for being scum when he is the only person in the game Barakos even semi-seriously points a finger at?
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Not to mention his conclusion about the Barakos/Moosy is really townie.
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On July 26 2015 17:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not to mention his conclusion about the Barakos/Moosy is really townie.
..or rather the way he ends up voting for Barakos to be exact.
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On July 26 2015 17:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
n00bKing you need to explain how you think it is possible Rels is mafia, or rather how does his stance on Barakos and what he has pushed on D1 not clear him but on the other hand your stance on Barakos and other people and what you did makes no sense from scum perspective.
Like let me clarify:
Rels; is the first one who points out Barakos' scummy post. Calls him mafia. Votes for him early on (tbh i pushed him to do it but i also pushed everyone else to do it). Does not push anything else on D1, doesn't even think about it.
n00bKing; Admits Barakos' post is bad. I don't remember what you called him, it's already evident you at least REALLY didn't call him mafia (because i DO remember when people ACTUALLY call someone mafia). Is one of the last people to vote for him. Pushes Rels all day long, never touches the case on Barakos aside from off-hand comments on him.
And from these actions you decide that "Rels is not clear but my stance on things make no sense from scum perspective"?!??!
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From re-reading a bit i actually do agree checking MoosyDoosy is not a bad cop action.
There should be no reason anyone should react to a mafia lynch like that as town. BUT.. to be fair i saw a townie did just that the last game i played. Anyways, indicative of being mafia.
Furthermore it makes sense if his partners are inactive and that's why he doesn't want to play the game properly anymore. It serves no purpose of saying "lynch me so i can forever call you bad ruxxar" if he is town.
If you are town moosy, you play. If you are not feel free to do anything you want. I am in two games atm, tomorrow will be in three games. I work around 12 hours a day during the week. You are not allowed to claim you will be getting busier, it is just a bullshit comment. People who are willing to play find the time to play even when they get "busier".
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On July 26 2015 09:26 Tictock wrote:
As for potential scum bussing their partner. Bre, sulf, and Rels look to be the most likely bussers.
Elaboration on this please.
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You can also ask TicTock why he does nothing to push his scumread who is pushing Barakos. Like the latter part of the day he talks way more about me than he talks about Moosy, who is his preferred lynch. He has me as scumread so again (as he did with Rels/NocturneMage early on in the game), he is indirectly defending Barakos - as i said - by not attacking my argument on him (which apparently was even a good one as he said to Damdred on D1) but instead attacking me.
As i have pointed out this is really flimsy at best. Everyone knows that, (1) if there is a bad case you cut out the bullshit by telling why the case is bad as you do not want to lynch people based on bad cases as the lynch will most likely hit town, and (2) THEN you push your own case you think is better.
In this case, however, Tictock says nothing about the case being bad. If the case is not bad, then it is actually likely the person the case is on, is mafia, and the person making the case is town. It is basic logic.
He does not do that. Instead he attacks my credibility by calling me mafia (for reasons that never make anyone mafia). Whatever you say this actually is indirectly defending Barakos, because you cannot possibly think i am mafia for doing what i did on D1 in case Barakos is mafia. Therefore he must think Barakos is town, and then he logically should... well see the couple of paragraphs above. Furthermore he STILL thinks there is a chance i am mafia, which is fucking awful at it's best. Truth to be told based on D1 i am the towniest person in the game, period. PERIOD. If i am alive in LYLO please feel free to call me mafia because THEN it can make sense. Now it doesn't. Noone who is town can actually think i am mafia based on D1.
I am the person who has made the most contributive posts in this game. My thought process has been pretty clear all game long. Damdred, who knows me best in this game, thinks i am town. Somehow TicTock twists this into me being mafia. First of all if he cannot read and cannot understand why i say the stuff i do then it's his fault, because my filter is in fact VERY FUCKING CLEAR of what i am pushing and why i say the stuff i do. It never makes me mafia, claiming so is bullshit. I have posted the most in this game, it never makes me mafia, claiming so is bullshit. He claims i can be scum for "used a couple of questions with fordrawn conclusions while pushing Bara". Well yeah, i did that, specifically when i asked him why his scummy post is scummy. HE SAID HIS POST IS SCUMMY HIMSELF!!!! How am i NOT supposed to ask a question with "fordrawn conclusions"?!?!?!?! wow, such train of thought. And this; "2 scum reads (Noc & Bara) were largely parroting other peoples reads". I have NEVER parroted other people in this game regarding Barakos/NM. The conclusion is full-retared. Feel free to point out where my case on Barakos is parroting other people. Feel free to point out where me scumreading NM early on for "producing reads that always have an out" is parroting other people."
If you cannot do that, exactly 100% of your case on D1 is bullshit and you should be lynched for a bullshit case which you cannot think makes anyone mafia.
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I still think Flexes is mafia.
There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so.
I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple.
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btw in case i die DO NOT, i repeat DO NOT lynch into people who voted for Barakos.
It is WAY more likely there are zero, or at most one mafia in that pool.
You will have way more chance to figure out the 1-2 mafia elsewhere, just because the people who voted for Barakos for whatever reason DO have a reason why they are town over the people who didn't vote for Barakos, and it will be impossible to argue otherwise.
Thinking a bit more, i think the best cop action is to check Moosy. It will bring more light to TicTock's alignment aswell. If Moosy is mafia, then i find it impossible to believe TicTock is mafia. If Moosy is town, TicTock simply cannot reasonably explain any of his actions otherwise than "fuck i was bad".
And then it's way easier for everyone to figure him out.
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