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On July 29 2015 06:57 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 06:53 Rels wrote:On July 29 2015 06:43 n00bKing wrote:On July 29 2015 06:40 Rels wrote:
Noobking i m convinced you're mafia and I think you're covering TT. But outside of TT alignment, the only reason for you not being mafia was you being cop and getting a green cbeck on me. That possibility being now dead as you didn't cc, I'm convinced you're mafia. I never once hinted at the idea that I was the Cop. I shall call you ruXxar Jr. Furthermore, your explanation on "if rels was cop he wouldn't check the person he SAID HE WOULD CHECK" made no sense. Exactly. Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:26 Rels wrote:
Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:
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noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.
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Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill. Those are not reasonable "possibilities." If Flexes is Scum, and knows there is a Vigilante in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be shot by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Vigilante, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). The second scenario is particularly ludicrous, because you're trying to tell me that after I spent Day 1 and Night 1 painting you as a suspect, I then up and ROLEBLOCKED you, in a game where there is a guaranteed Scum roleblocker but no possibility of a Town roleblocker. ??? Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:
lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."?
Seriously, your refusal to use reason and common sense is driving me crazy. Just STOP posting for a little while, THINK about what you've just said, and come back later.
What is this "Damaging town" talk? I don't understand what would be damaging to town.
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On July 29 2015 07:13 Rels wrote:I love you ruxx 
<3 Enjoy your party
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On July 29 2015 07:18 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 07:11 Rels wrote:
Alright getting back to party. Noobking we ll settle this, we have 3 whole days of talk (if you don't kill me)! In the meantime, you better explain fast what you meant by "damaging the town" cause that didn't mean you were cop. We don't need 3 days, I can answer that in one post. And as long as you're tunneled on a wrong target, you won't be getting killed. You're like the Mafia's best friend (again). What was damaging to the Town is my belief that RELS AIN'T NO POWER ROLE in this game. I blue hunt in my Town games, just as surely as in my Scum games. For two reasons. 1) It's good practice for whenever I DO draw a Scum role. 2) If I can figure out which blue role someone is, I can eliminate them as a Scum suspect, even if they aren't contributing to the Town win condition with their posts. Seems like a lot of players don't even think about which player might be a blue role, while they're Town. But I do. And you didn't look like one. At ALL. This is why I was so careful to correct the notion that I had said you weren't Cop or Vigilante. And I said no, I'm only ruling you out as Vig in the scenario where Flexes is Scum. And only ruling you out as Cop in a scenario where I'm Scum. I made sure that ALL other possibilities where you are Vig or Cop are left open. So that the Mafia could still think you're a blue role, even though I was pretty damn sure you weren't. So for me to say you weren't a blue role at that time is damaging to the Town. I can't say that, even though it helps me explain how I know this "n00bKing blocked Rels cuz he might be Cop that was gonna turn in a check him" is ridiculous. It's safe to say it now, because you've already ruled yourself out as one.
This doesn't make ANY sense when you've ALREADY said that he can't be cop?!!
How can your explanation be damaging UNLESS you are the cop?
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I still don't get it. There's something here that just isn't making sense to me.
I guess Im stupid.
Can someone other than n00bking explain to me why what he said makes sense?
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@n00bking
Let me try to process this:
You're saying that if you are scum then it's unlikely for rels to be the cop for reasons that are damaging to town.
This damaging reason that would convince all mafia that rels isn't the cop is this:
"cop rels would never announce his check on you, before checking you".
Yet he ended up being role blocked so *someone* must've believed he was the cop.
If you are mafia The fact that you said that you didn't think he was a cop and then RB him anyway is an easy way to look innocent from a town perspective.
The second point is this: no one else mentioned that they wanted to check you.
If you are the mafia and aren't the godfather, what do you do? Do you role block a random townie or do you role block those that mention that they want to check you?
The percentage play is to role block those that mentioned wanting to check you.
In fact if you are mafia you are 100% the mafia role blocker.
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I had a really nice theory about who was scum and I still want to stick to it.
The list included:
TT - town.
Flexes - mafia.
Nocturne - ?
Moosy - ?
I want to add n00bking to that list as well as breshke.
Tomorrow I want to lynch moosy.
Moosy is the mafia godfather 100%.
It's the only logical explanation I can find for his play.
His play was baiting a cop check so hard it's insanely obvious when you go back and look at it.
Yeah.
I'm lock voting moosy tomorrow.
Only a miracle will convince me otherwise.
Flame me all you want.
Likely mafia in order:
Moosy - mafia godfather.
N00bking - mafia role blocker.
Nocturne / breshke.
Game over, town wins.
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Last mafia N00b + moosy.
It makes too much sense.
N00b insisted he would've gotten moosy lynched for sure if he was mafia.
Not so easy when moosy is your partner.
Also he was scared as shit of getting cop checked because he's the role blocker.
Moosy is the god father.
He admitted several times in the thread that he is mafia and doesn't give a shit about the game in general.
His day 1 was atrocious and he had no opinion of anyone all day.
He was paying 0 attention to the thread and threw ad hom attacks en masse after me.
He was figuratively begging to be cop checked by his play.
Moosy, get dunked. Your "hurr durr I'm mafia" play isn't going to work any longer.
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On July 29 2015 15:21 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 07:49 ruXxar wrote:
I still don't get it. There's something here that just isn't making sense to me.
I guess Im stupid.
Can someone other than n00bking explain to me why what he said makes sense? For God's sakes, someone please do this. I avoided the thread for like 7 hours, come back, and no one has done this yet.
On July 29 2015 08:09 ruXxar wrote:
@n00bking
Let me try to process this:
You're saying that if you are scum then it's unlikely for rels to be the cop for reasons that are damaging to town.
This damaging reason that would convince all mafia that rels isn't the cop is this:
"cop rels would never announce his check on you, before checking you".
Yet he ended up being role blocked so *someone* must've believed he was the cop.
If you are mafia The fact that you said that you didn't think he was a cop and then RB him anyway is an easy way to look innocent from a town perspective.
The second point is this: no one else mentioned that they wanted to check you.
If you are the mafia and aren't the godfather, what do you do? Do you role block a random townie or do you role block those that mention that they want to check you?
You know that if you get cop checked mafia are screwed to hell and back
The percentage play is to role block those that mentioned wanting to check you.
In fact if you are mafia you are 100% the mafia role blocker.
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On July 29 2015 22:53 Rels wrote:A weird thing: in this post, ruxxar voted moosy (changing from TT) by mistake, and never corrected it, as if he never checked a votecount. In the final votecount he is still voting moosy.
I didn't vote for moosy.
I'm not going to re-vote just to fix broken vote tool.
I told the mod that I didn't switch and I expect him to count my vote properly.
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No one is getting your explanation about rels n00bking, so how about you explain it again.
If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)
Let me try to recap what you're saying and you can correct me if I'm wrong.
Please answer the questions in simple sentences that I can understand.
1) If you are scum, and know there is a cop in the game you can be very confident that you will not be checked by rels.
- Why? Give a clear answer.
2) There is a very low chance that rels is cop.
- Why? Give a clear answer.
These are the answers you gave to these questions so far, and they don't explain anything:
1) If Rels were the Cop, he would not check me, because during the Night Phase, he posted suggestions to the power roles, and he gave only ONE name to the Cop, and that name was MINE.
Children have wondrous imaginations, so use yours, and put yourself in the shoes of a Rels who is the Cop. Imagine you're the Cop, and during the Night Phase, you suggest who the Cop should target. Imagine you give only one name. Then imagine that you...go ahead and turn in a check on that name.
Did you notice how your brain stopped you and said "No, no, that's stupid"? Okay then. If there is a Cop in the setup, I don't think the Mafia can be particularly sure it isn't Rels. They can only be sure that if Rels is the Cop, he's not going to check ME. I gave suggestions to the Cop on who to check. Doesn't mean I'm not the Cop. But I wouldn't give a one-name suggestion, and if I did, I am not checking that guy.
This doesn't explain why it's stupid. Also rels still got role-blocked, so someone must've believed he was the cop.
2) No explanation of why it's a low chance that he's cop. You didn't explain why there is a low chance he's cop BECAUSE it's damaging to town.
Why was it damaging to town?
What was damaging to the Town is my belief that RELS AIN'T NO POWER ROLE in this game.
Doesn't explain why it's a low chance he's the cop, so your "damaging explanation for why he isn't the cop" isn't an explanation at all.
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Rels is it just us that are stupid?
Maybe I need to go take an IQ test.
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On July 30 2015 02:45 n00bKing wrote:Because his suggestions to the Cop included only ONE name, and I was that name. This is common sense, ruXxar. You asked me earlier to talk to you like you were 5. If you were 5, I still expect you to understand why Rels the Cop has a 0% chance of turning in a check on me in Night 1. 0.00% This is not an explanation.
On July 30 2015 02:45 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 01:58 ruXxar wrote:These are the answers you gave to these questions so far, and they don't explain anything: 1) If Rels were the Cop, he would not check me, because during the Night Phase, he posted suggestions to the power roles, and he gave only ONE name to the Cop, and that name was MINE.
Children have wondrous imaginations, so use yours, and put yourself in the shoes of a Rels who is the Cop. Imagine you're the Cop, and during the Night Phase, you suggest who the Cop should target. Imagine you give only one name. Then imagine that you...go ahead and turn in a check on that name.
Did you notice how your brain stopped you and said "No, no, that's stupid"? Okay then. If there is a Cop in the setup, I don't think the Mafia can be particularly sure it isn't Rels. They can only be sure that if Rels is the Cop, he's not going to check ME. I gave suggestions to the Cop on who to check. Doesn't mean I'm not the Cop. But I wouldn't give a one-name suggestion, and if I did, I am not checking that guy. This doesn't explain why it's stupid. Sure it does. That explains everything fully and perfectly. Whoever wrote that explanation has common sense, and is using it (which is all that is needed here). This is not an explanation.
On July 30 2015 02:45 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 01:58 ruXxar wrote: Also rels still got role-blocked, so someone must've believed he was the cop. WHY? Yes, it is *possible* that the Mafia thought Rels might be the Cop, even though I had reason to believe otherwise. They can't be sure that Rels the Cop does not exist, they can only be sure that Rels the Cop would not turn in a check on n00bKing. Nothing else. But them roleblocking him does not ensure that they believed he was the Cop. And we've already covered the alternative explanation ad nauseam. Why?
On July 30 2015 02:45 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 01:58 ruXxar wrote:2) No explanation of why it's a low chance that he's cop. You didn't explain why there is a low chance he's cop BECAUSE it's damaging to town. Again, low chance is not what I said. But yes, I did not explain why he was unlikely to be the Cop because the explanation would be damaging to the Town. If I explain why I believe that Rels ain't no power role in this game, then the Mafia can look at my reasoning and be like "Yeah, that adds up. He's probably right, Rels ain't no power role in this game." That's NOT information I want them to have. So I can't (and didn't) go into the details. We already have our 2 power role claims.
Unless you are EXACTLY the cop, there is no reason you can't tell us.
Please make your answers explicit for why what you said makes sense and don't refer to common sense as if I'm supposed to magically understand what you mean.
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On July 30 2015 04:09 n00bKing wrote:Of course it is. You don't have to like an explanation for it to be one. You don't have common sense? Okay. But the fact remains: 0.00% chance that Rels the Cop turns in a check on me. I'm not going to discuss this anymore. There is no chance in hell that check was ever going to happen, after what he posted. And no chance in hell that I (as Scum) could possibly fear it was going to happen, after what he posted. Rels being roleblocked is potent proof that I am Town. Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 03:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 02:45 n00bKing wrote:
Again, low chance is not what I said. But yes, I did not explain why he was unlikely to be the Cop because the explanation would be damaging to the Town. If I explain why I believe that Rels ain't no power role in this game, then the Mafia can look at my reasoning and be like "Yeah, that adds up. He's probably right, Rels ain't no power role in this game." That's NOT information I want them to have. So I can't (and didn't) go into the details.
We already have our 2 power role claims. Unless you are EXACTLY the cop, there is no reason you can't tell us. I was speaking of that moment. I can't (and didn't) go into the details at that moment. As for "already have our 2 claims"...what's the matter, ruXxar? Are you scum, and know that Scott is the Cop? And won't be counterclaimed by NocturneMage because he is your scumbuddy? Because that seems to me to be THE ONLY way for you to know that we don't have any more roleclaims coming. Additionally, I am STRONGLY reminded of this post: Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 02:23 ruXxar wrote:On July 29 2015 02:18 n00bKing wrote:
Going to take a minute to explain what I mean when I say "pure WIFOM" as it will be relevant in some of my posts throughout the rest of the game, including the Town Case on Ticktock (if it's needed today) and a Town Case on myself (if it's needed any other day).
If you look at the original WIFOM scenario, in the movie, it is what I would call "pure WIFOM." Disregard Westley's immunity, and the fact that it would turn out both goblets were poisoned. Instead, just consider the game as it is presented to Vizzini (and as it is presented to the audience).
In that scenario, there is really no incentive for the person staging the game to put the poison in one goblet as opposed to the other. There is no advantage or disadvantage to picking one or the other, since the opponent can just switch them. Everything is a pure 50/50, because the person being presented with the choice has NO way of knowing where the poison will be placed, and the person staging the game has NO way of knowing whether the opponent will choose to switch the goblets.
But although that WIFOM scenario was 50/50, not all of them are. Sometimes the person staging the game (in this case, the Mafia) will have incentive to not make a certain choice. And the only reason for them to go ahead and make that choice anyway is to "look Townie." They play against their own agenda, for the sake of hoping that people will think "Since Scum wouldn't want to do that...they must not be Scum." This is not pure WIFOM, because the Mafia has reasons NOT to do that thing. Thus, doing that thing is slighty-to-somewhat Town indicative. Not hugely indicative, because it's still WIFOM. But it isn't NAI, because it isn't pure WIFOM.
A couple of players in this game have made posts that indicate they aren't aware of (or at least aren't factoring in) these varying levels or degrees of WIFOM. Rels in particular is guilty of taking anything that a Mafia player could do that doesn't benefit them in any way except to "look Townie" and label it as WIFOM and then ignore it. There's a difference between things a Mafia player can do to look Townie that "don't benefit them" and things they can do to look Townie that "hurt them."
Not all WIFOM is created equal. I could swear this wasn't my coaching QT Am I here to train you in the strategies that I use to identify power roles, which enabled me to determine that Rels wasn't one? I would somehow have incentive to try and teach you what I know, after you mocked me the last time I tried to help you learn something? It's not like you and Rels are displaying any capacity to absorb knowledge anyway. Go ahead, ask me again, what methodology I used to rule out Rels as a power role.
That's fine, I'll never town-read you until you manage to explain it to me.
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On July 30 2015 04:22 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 04:15 ruXxar wrote:
That's fine, I'll never town-read you until you manage to explain it to me. Put yourself in my shoes. Why in the hell would I explain anything else to you, ever again? I've explained things and explained things, and explained things, and nothing ever penetrates. You just come back (EVERY time) with "Durrrr....I still don't understand!" So this is just another thing that I could explain until I'm blue in the face, and you'll either (by some miracle) still not get it, if you're Town, or pretend to not get it, if you're Scum. Moosy had the right attitude toward you all along. I'm ashamed that it took me longer to figure it out than it did for him. Remember when I said I wanted you to play in my 4th Newbie game, so my mind could be blown by the notion that someone who plays like you do could be listed as a "veteran" player? I changed my mind. Please do not participate in my 4th Newbie game. And Dear Mafia, Remember how I asked you to not kill me on Night 1, because it was my birthday? I changed my mind about that too. PLEASE kill me on Night 2.
I asked the thread for ANYONE else to explain why what you said makes sense.
NO ONE spoke up.
So on top of me and rels not understanding it, no one else has managed to explain how what you said makes sense.
Evidence is pointing towards you having a problem clearly explaining your point.
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On July 30 2015 04:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 04:22 n00bKing wrote:On July 30 2015 04:15 ruXxar wrote:
That's fine, I'll never town-read you until you manage to explain it to me. Put yourself in my shoes. Why in the hell would I explain anything else to you, ever again? I've explained things and explained things, and explained things, and nothing ever penetrates. You just come back (EVERY time) with "Durrrr....I still don't understand!" So this is just another thing that I could explain until I'm blue in the face, and you'll either (by some miracle) still not get it, if you're Town, or pretend to not get it, if you're Scum. Moosy had the right attitude toward you all along. I'm ashamed that it took me longer to figure it out than it did for him. Remember when I said I wanted you to play in my 4th Newbie game, so my mind could be blown by the notion that someone who plays like you do could be listed as a "veteran" player? I changed my mind. Please do not participate in my 4th Newbie game. And Dear Mafia, Remember how I asked you to not kill me on Night 1, because it was my birthday? I changed my mind about that too. PLEASE kill me on Night 2. I asked the thread for ANYONE else to explain why what you said makes sense. NO ONE spoke up. So on top of me and rels not understanding it, no one else has managed to explain how what you said makes sense. Evidence is pointing towards you having a problem clearly explaining your point. The reason why no one is explaining is because everyone stopped reading because n00bKing, Rels, and you are all town and just wasting your time trying to kill each other. I've understood n00bKing's viewpoint but you would just use your mass tunneling / confirmation bias to say "hur dur, Moosy is mafia with n00bKing he understands hur dur" which is why there's no point in me explaining. Can you not get it or do I need to explain it more?
Explain more please. Explain how this statement is "common sense":
On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:
If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town).
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On July 30 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he is obviously a smart guy.
he is not playing smart.
i cant explain it better.
Exactly this.
His push on rels was so bad I couldn't believe n00bking is doing this.
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On July 30 2015 04:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 04:40 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he is obviously a smart guy.
he is not playing smart.
i cant explain it better. Exactly this. His push on rels was so bad I couldn't believe n00bking is doing this. BULLSHIT. Remember our first Mafia game together. LOL. THAT game was a prime example of n00bKing with his confirmation bias at work. However even if he's guilty of having confirmation bias your's is 100x worse.
n00bking played a million times better in our last newbie game than he did this game imo.
I could actually understand his logic that game. i gained tremendous respect for n00bking after that game even if he just lived for 1 day.
This game he's literally throwing that image in the trash.
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On July 30 2015 04:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 04:47 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 04:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 30 2015 04:40 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he is obviously a smart guy.
he is not playing smart.
i cant explain it better. Exactly this. His push on rels was so bad I couldn't believe n00bking is doing this. BULLSHIT. Remember our first Mafia game together. LOL. THAT game was a prime example of n00bKing with his confirmation bias at work. However even if he's guilty of having confirmation bias your's is 100x worse. n00bking played a million times better in our last newbie game than he did this game imo. I could actually understand his logic that game. i gained tremendous respect for n00bking after that game even if he just lived for 1 day. This game he's literally throwing that image in the trash. I see the same things in both games. He has confirmation bias on a few people, is a bit overeager to pressure some over others, and his wordiness is kicking in when he's trying to explain something. It's just that your bias for Rels is kicking in and is shading n00bKing in a bad light while putting n00bKing in our first game into a better light. If you go back and read that game, you can see all the traits still carried over into this one. But then again you won't read it because you're dumb. And even if you DO read it, your confirmation bias will just kick in and refuse to accept that fact.
How about you go on and explain n00bkings statement on rels which you apparently had no problem understanding.
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On July 30 2015 05:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 05:00 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 04:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 30 2015 04:47 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 04:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 30 2015 04:40 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he is obviously a smart guy.
he is not playing smart.
i cant explain it better. Exactly this. His push on rels was so bad I couldn't believe n00bking is doing this. BULLSHIT. Remember our first Mafia game together. LOL. THAT game was a prime example of n00bKing with his confirmation bias at work. However even if he's guilty of having confirmation bias your's is 100x worse. n00bking played a million times better in our last newbie game than he did this game imo. I could actually understand his logic that game. i gained tremendous respect for n00bking after that game even if he just lived for 1 day. This game he's literally throwing that image in the trash. I see the same things in both games. He has confirmation bias on a few people, is a bit overeager to pressure some over others, and his wordiness is kicking in when he's trying to explain something. It's just that your bias for Rels is kicking in and is shading n00bKing in a bad light while putting n00bKing in our first game into a better light. If you go back and read that game, you can see all the traits still carried over into this one. But then again you won't read it because you're dumb. And even if you DO read it, your confirmation bias will just kick in and refuse to accept that fact. How about you go on and explain n00bkings statement on rels which you apparently had no problem understanding. There's no point in answering you unless someone asks the same question.
On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:50 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:26 Rels wrote:
Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:
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noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.
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Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill. Those are not reasonable "possibilities." If Flexes is Scum, and knows there is a Vigilante in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be shot by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Vigilante, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). The second scenario is particularly ludicrous, because you're trying to tell me that after I spent Day 1 and Night 1 painting you as a suspect, I then up and ROLEBLOCKED you, in a game where there is a guaranteed Scum roleblocker but no possibility of a Town roleblocker. ??? I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check. lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."? I don't understand. You are saying: - I'm probably not the cop - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part.
How about now?
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On July 30 2015 05:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 05:05 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 05:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 30 2015 05:00 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 04:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 30 2015 04:47 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 04:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 30 2015 04:40 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he is obviously a smart guy.
he is not playing smart.
i cant explain it better. Exactly this. His push on rels was so bad I couldn't believe n00bking is doing this. BULLSHIT. Remember our first Mafia game together. LOL. THAT game was a prime example of n00bKing with his confirmation bias at work. However even if he's guilty of having confirmation bias your's is 100x worse. n00bking played a million times better in our last newbie game than he did this game imo. I could actually understand his logic that game. i gained tremendous respect for n00bking after that game even if he just lived for 1 day. This game he's literally throwing that image in the trash. I see the same things in both games. He has confirmation bias on a few people, is a bit overeager to pressure some over others, and his wordiness is kicking in when he's trying to explain something. It's just that your bias for Rels is kicking in and is shading n00bKing in a bad light while putting n00bKing in our first game into a better light. If you go back and read that game, you can see all the traits still carried over into this one. But then again you won't read it because you're dumb. And even if you DO read it, your confirmation bias will just kick in and refuse to accept that fact. How about you go on and explain n00bkings statement on rels which you apparently had no problem understanding. There's no point in answering you unless someone asks the same question. On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:50 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:26 Rels wrote:
Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:
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noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.
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Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill. Those are not reasonable "possibilities." If Flexes is Scum, and knows there is a Vigilante in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be shot by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Vigilante, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). The second scenario is particularly ludicrous, because you're trying to tell me that after I spent Day 1 and Night 1 painting you as a suspect, I then up and ROLEBLOCKED you, in a game where there is a guaranteed Scum roleblocker but no possibility of a Town roleblocker. ??? I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check. lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."? I don't understand. You are saying: - I'm probably not the cop - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part. How about now? This won't make a difference because you'll use some form of confirmation bias but I'll give it a shot. n00bKing has been widely regarded as town until you two started piling shit on him after D2. No cop would and should waste a check on n00bKing because he is town. Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. However this ended up not mattering because Damdred made everyone pile votes on scott which made him role claim. ...Is that simple enough?
n00bKing has been widely regarded as town until you two started piling shit on him after D2. No cop would and should waste a check on n00bKing because he is town.
- Rels called n00bking mafia day 1. So this logic doesn't apply for why rels can't be cop.
Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town.
Really. So why does n00bking say this?
On July 29 2015 06:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 06:55 Rels wrote:On July 29 2015 06:48 n00bKing wrote:
Would lynch Sulfurus. Would also lynch Mage or Breshke, to save Ticktock. Would not be happy about lynching Scott without a CC, but...might still do it, to save Ticktock. That Night Action appeared by magic.
Can any of these things happen? Rayn was just called bad to entertain the idea of lynching a UN cc cop. And you would lynch UN cc cop over another player ? Actually tell me why we should lynch Scott over TT I'm interested.
On July 29 2015 06:58 n00bKing wrote:
Because Scott's Cop claim is illogical, and I know Ticktock is Town. Have you not been reading the thread?
Are you trying to convince me that n00bking knew scott was cop?
I can't believe what you're saying right now.
You are sooo far off base it's unbelievable. Holy shit.
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