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On July 30 2015 05:01 Damdred wrote:
Noob can you explain who you think is scum and why real fast
#1 - Scott if he's counterclaimed.
#2 - Sulfurus
#3 - NotcurneMage
#4 - Breshke
If Scott doesn't get counterclaimed, the order of 2-4 could move around some. I could re-read NocturneMage and Breshke, and figure out if either of them can jump Sulfurus. (I don't expect Breshke can though.) Mage's filter is surprisingly difficult to read, given how short it is. He keeps bringing up things that happened 50 pages ago that I haven't thought about in 3 days. If he's Scum, I'd say he's actually playing...good? Maybe? Because when I read posts in his filter, my eyes glaze over, and when I try to determine his allegiance, it makes me wish I was doing something else instead.
But no, I can't get reasoning out right now, as it continues to be a busy week at work. And I don't know that I'll feel like bothering later, given the absurdity I've had to contend with the in the thread lately. If I do, I'll have time to put out reads during Day 3, since there is no chance of me being night-killed when so many dufuses think I'm Scum. I expect to live, and I expect Scum will let dufuses live too.
If I die tonight....
Hallelujah!
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On July 30 2015 07:02 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 06:53 n00bKing wrote:On July 30 2015 06:14 ruXxar wrote:
N00bking, what do you think of this post? Not impressed. He doesn't even touch on the common sense truth that the reason we know Rels the Cop would never turn in a check on me on Night 1 is because he said that's exactly what he would do if he was the Cop, and gave no alternate suggestions. I have never seen an investigative role do something like that. I WILL never see an investigative role do something like that. If Rels is the Cop, I'm not getting checked on Night 1. PERIOD. So he also didn't get your point.
He never said he doesn't get that point. He just doesn't touch on it. Maybe he thought that part didn't need to be mentioned. You know...because it's common sense.
On July 30 2015 07:02 ruXxar wrote:What did you think of this part? Did you in fact warn moosy that scott was cop? Show nested quote +Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. However this ended up not mattering because Damdred made everyone pile votes on scott which made him role claim.
Gee, I guess I shouldn't talk about that, huh? Did you forget AGAIN that only Scum could be sure there won't be another Cop claim? If you want to claim Scum, there are easier ways to do it.
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Hey, not as many dufuses survived as I expected! I expect there are still plenty of them left, though, to get this mislynch accomplished!
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On July 30 2015 07:15 ruXxar wrote:
I asked him to SPECIFICIALLY to explain your statement on rels, so that we plebs could understand. And he failed HARD.
The fact that you don't scum-read him for that beyondworldly horrible post is confirming you as his mafia buddy.
You don't even know what he's saying in that post. But don't worry, if you want to scumread him for it, he'll probably oblige you himself.
Back to work. Later, fools!
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On July 30 2015 07:51 disformation wrote:
How would it be possible for me to be Scum, disformation? How can that reality exist, given the way that the game has played out? Are you just going to plaster a big "WIFOM" sticker over every single instance where I've done something that is detrimental to the Scum win condition? I knew Ticktock had to be Town because he and I had been step-for-step so much of the way, and there's NO chance that a Scum Ticktock plays against his own agenda so many times, in so many ways. There isn't enough WIFOM in the world to explain away all the things that he did (and I've done) that would have brought the Mafia closer to defeat, if either of us were on the team. I would really like to hear someone explain why, if I were Mafia, I would continuously be putting the dagger in my own heart. Is there even any theory at all for how that's possible, that can't simply be summarized as "WIFOM" and nothing more?
This post has 0 content. Of course it is possible for him to be scum. I could be scum, too. Damdred could be scum.[/quote]
Your reply has 0 content. Can you reason out a way (any way) that it is rational for me to be Scum here, or can nothing explain it but "cuz WIFOM?" I'll ask again after I post the Town Case on n00bKing.
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On July 30 2015 08:10 Damdred wrote:
Did anyone besides Scott claiming rb? XD
Not sure. Hey Moosy, was I roleblocked? If Moosy says I was roleblocked, I'll probably believe him.
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On July 30 2015 08:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:If anything else, you all should have lynched me off of a mistake in a post I made off the basis of TMI. Here I'll provide it to you all since ya'll be so clueless: Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:This basically leaves us just scott. But as someone pointed out, rayn's claim as Veteran leaves us with a Vigi. Which means we either have a dumb Vigi who didn't shoot N1 or scott as Vigi which makes me reluctant to lynch him because of this fact. Here we see me saying with complete confidence that we have a Vigi. I say this a couple of times as well and n00bKing is the only one who picks up on it and does this: Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 02:39 n00bKing wrote:On July 28 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm town, ruXxar's town, I think Tictock's town. This basically leaves us just scott. But as someone pointed out, rayn's claim as Veteran leaves us with a Vigi. Which means we either have a dumb Vigi who didn't shoot N1 or scott as Vigi which makes me reluctant to lynch him because of this fact. Decided my response to this post is counter-productive. Flagging just so I'll have it in my own filter to remind me later. So he's the only one who saw this while the rest of you were blind and running around like headless chicken. And you're all STILL telling me you want to lynch him? right...
It's Cuz WIFOM, Moosy! Just like a million zillion other things I've posted in this game that fail to further a Scum agenda, I must have done it Cuz WIFOM.
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On July 30 2015 08:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
So for your simple brain to process #2:
BEFORE CLAIM:
- scott has likely chance of being PR
AFTER CLAIM:
- scott says he has green check on me
- It's weird that Flexes was able to put in an action because he was inactive for more than 24 hours
- scott could have been lying
- n00bKing and rayn point this out
AFTERWARDS:
- no one counter claims -> means that scott has to be cop as weird as it may seem
![[image loading]](https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/rhmYlWFOtHDOaB4DlV.r7g--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9Mzg2O3E9OTU7dz01MDA-/http://ms-surface.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/citizen_kane_clapping_2.gif)
(With the caveat that Scott may still be counterclaimed)
There are also 2 more elements to it, but I still shouldn't comment on them.
MoosyDoosy wrote: However, note that there's a very simple explanation for it all. Before night time ended, Flexes comes back into the game after being inactive, hurriedly told host that he couldn't play, asked for a replacement, and inserted an action before leaving.
Sure. Not hard to understand HOW it could happen. Just seems SO bizarre THAT it would happen.
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On July 30 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:
1) you said that no one would check n00bking because he was universally town read.
He out confirmed town rayn said that n00b was a good cop check.
Our almost confirmed town reels said that n00b was mafia and also a good cop check.
Sulfurus also called n00bking mafia.
I said that n00bkung was playing weird.
So you see, people did have a reason to check n00b.
Okay, now put your thinking cap on. 4 of you acting suspicious of me, and/or suggesting me as a Cop check.
If I roleblock Sulfurus...eliminates him as a strong mislynch candidate. Sucks for me a little, since I had expressed some suspicion of him.
If I roleblock rayn...no problem! This works great! He was the strongest advocate for the Barakos lynch, and was being townread pretty widely.
If I roleblock you (ruXxar)....no problem! This works great! You were already being DumbTown-read pretty widely.
If I roleblock Rels...it WRECKS MY WHOLE FUCKING GAME TO THIS POINT.
If I am Scum, HOW on Earth did that roleblock target get turned in?!!
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On July 30 2015 09:08 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 08:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Have you read all my posts ruXxar. Based on your #2 posting you haven't. If we listened to you then we should have lynched rayn too. Like your reasoning makes no sense. Except according to you(n00bking has yet to confirm that what you're saying is correct) noob already thought that Scott was cop, so why would he then say his claim is illogical?
Because it was illogical. For reasons that have been explained by Moosy already. And by me. And by rayn. And we're all Town.
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To-Do List for Day 3:
1) Post Town Case on n00bKing.
I'm pretty sure this one will happen. It will be long, as you'd expect. But it will just be one post. Read it. Think about it. Make a decision. Once this is posted, I hope to never again have to say anything new about why I'm Town. And if someone says anything about me not being Town, I'll just copy & paste the appropriate counter-argument from this post. I make one post, you read one post, and then I am DONE with defending myself from dumb accusations that never had any foundation to begin with.
If I feel like it, I will also:
2) Post analysis of Breshke's filter/vote history.
3) Post analysis of NocturneMage's filter/vote history.
In the same manner that I already posted my complete analysis of Sulfurus a few pages back.
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On July 30 2015 11:11 Breshke wrote:
Also rels i don't think you should be using the fact that some people unvoted scott straight after his cop claim to make them more townie. I don't really think that logic holds up.
Rels doesn't use logic. Rels is immune to logic. ruXxar posted a "TownShield" and Rels has a "LogicShield."
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On July 30 2015 16:39 Rels wrote:
They both used ad hom attacks to attack the credibility of people multiple times.
Only after your pitiful "arguments" had been pummeled into the ground, and you blindly refused to acknowledge it. What are we supposed to do at that point?
On July 30 2015 16:39 Rels wrote:
noobking saying "I know TT is town".
And? Town players say things like that ALL the time. Only Mafia players are more careful to avoid sounding certain about the things they KNOW are true. Me saying that is TOWN-indicative.
On July 30 2015 16:39 Rels wrote:
noobking being OK lynching un cc cop over TT.
As was rayn for a time, despite having Ticktock as his TOP SCUM READ before the claim. Think about that. Ticktock was his TOP SCUM READ. And then when Scott claims Cop, the claim is SO ILLOGICAL, that rayn moved his vote to Scott. Meanwhile, Ticktock was one of my TOP TOWN READS. Of course I would not lynch him over an illogical Cop claim.
On July 30 2015 16:39 Rels wrote:
Moosy claiming nookbing knew about scott being cop.
That's not the phrasing I read. Hey look, you're misrepresenting someone's position. Yet again.
On July 30 2015 16:39 Rels wrote:
noobking and Moosy both claiming that "if Rels is cop, he wouldn't check noobking", but they still didn't explain it.
It's COMMON SENSE. And NO ONE besides you and ruXtard have tried to indicate they don't understand.
Do you know nothing of deductive reasoning? If A, then B.
If Rels the Cop says that if he were the Cop, he would check n00bKing (and offers the Cop no other suggestions)
THEN
Rels the Cop WILL NOT check n00bKing
It's like a LAW of the universe. Like I said before, I've NEVER seen any investigative role do something like that, and I never WILL see any investigative role do something like that.
Go ahead and pretend you were the Cop in this game. And pretend that during Night 1, you said that "If I was the Cop, I would check n00bKing" and that you offered no other suggestions to the Cop.
Is it likely (or probable, or whatever else you want to call it) that you would then turn in a check on n00bKing?
Yes
or
No
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On July 30 2015 22:58 Breshke wrote:
Someone said that noobking and NM are probably not a team but i dont reamember who?
If I remember right, disformation said it was unlikely, and it was rayn who called it "impossible."
On July 30 2015 22:58 Breshke wrote:
This could just be him not keeping a straight story but I want to lynch moosy first and when he flips scum ill probably want to lynch NM over Noobking
Moosy won't flip Red. But if he did, there's no way you could get Tweedledum and Tweedledee to lynch NM over me.
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ruXxar, you can ask me to act against the Town's interests all you want. But I told you that I won't.
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Off to work. Town Case on n00bKing should hopefully be later today. There are parts of it that ruXxar AND Rels have already both failed to address. So I don't expect they'll have any answers this time either. And you know why they won't be able to come up with answers?
Because I'm Town.
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On July 31 2015 02:37 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2015 02:31 n00bKing wrote:
ruXxar, you can ask me to act against the Town's interests all you want. But I told you that I won't. WHICH YOU ALREADY DID BY WANTING TO VOTE FOR OUR UN'CC'D COP?!!
There were reasons to doubt the claim that have been clearly explained to you. And a lynched Cop is not significantly worse than an outed/neutralized Cop, for reasons that have been clearly explained to you. He's a Vanilla, Ticktock was a Vanilla. There was reason to think Scott could be Scum, there were NO reasons to think Ticktock was Scum. Lynching Ticktock was what acted against the Town's interests.
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On July 31 2015 03:17 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2015 03:15 LightningStrike wrote:
MoosyDoosy has effectivly been Modkilled and I will do a flip for him at the Night Post. Stay strong people. This is mafia's last ditch effort to save n00bking. They knew they are screwed anyway, so this is their last desperate attempt.
Why do you NEVER think before you post?
If Moosy is going to flip Red after the modkill, then no matter who we lynch today, you're still lynching me on Day 4. And if your Moosy/n00b theory were correct, this play by Moosy has a 0% chance of success. Zero.
It's what...8/2 right now? Let's say we guess wrong with our other lynch today. 7/2. BUT Moosy flips Red in the Modkill. 7/1. Night kill makes it 6/1. If you're right, you lynch me and it's 6/0. Even if you're wrong, you lynch me and it's 5/1. Night kill makes it 4/1 and you still have ANOTHER chance after you mislynch me. If Moosy flips Red in the Modkill, there is basically NO possibility of a Scum win. How on Earth could you be foolish enough to still try to lynch me before seeing his flip, when knowing his allegiance not only tells you a ton about me, but also tells you a ton about Breshke?
This is ANOTHER instance where you are displaying a Scum mentality. You haven't done anything that remotely benefitted the Town since I don't know when.
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On July 31 2015 03:23 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2015 02:05 n00bKing wrote:
Gee, I guess I shouldn't talk about that, huh? Did you forget AGAIN that only Scum could be sure there won't be another Cop claim? If you want to claim Scum, there are easier ways to do it.
How about you do talk about it.
How about I DON'T talk about it, since it would be counter-productive for me to do so. (This is without even mentioning that you would just say "Durr....I still don't get it" anyway.)
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On July 31 2015 03:27 ruXxar wrote:
I don't like being ignored.
All you've done is ignore the good arguments posted by people like Ticktock and Moosy and myself, and instead focus on your own misguided notions, blinding yourself to everything that is actually going on in the game.
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