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edit: open player obviously I'll try and make do without a coach and see how I do. | ||
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Don't know the newbies that well.... | ||
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On July 11 2015 07:03 KelsierSC wrote: nice flavour ^^ <3 Onegu | ||
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The key to joining the town circle - if you aren't doing so already - is to start playing dota  If you already do, name your three favourite heroes. | ||
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noob why the vote on NHM? Can't tell whether your vote is a joke vote or not, the others I can. Fidei's first posting to me is NAI, he - or anyone for the matter - can talk anti spam. If you read other games, usually the first 1-2 pages are silly and most people make useless/silly/goofy posts. Sometimes with certain veterans it goes a bit longer than that. | ||
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If you look at my profile you can get a sense for my experience on TL. If you go to the database thread for any player who's played at least 1 game here (at least since Kitas last update here) you can also do the same. | ||
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On July 11 2015 22:32 Fidei86 wrote: @HTS I agree that it's easy to talk anti-spam. And it's also obviously possible to play a perfectly good scum game without either spamming or lurking. But my view is that if we build a good town atmosphere with all townies being active but not spammy, it makes it much harder for even good scum players to hide. If I start lurking or spamming, that'll be a good sign I'm Mafia. But since I'm town, I'll do my best to stick to my words. One thing that irks me is that I know that you aren't the biggest fan of spam either. Obviously this thread is much more in danger of being too quiet than too loud, but I would have hoped you'd join me echoing my words. Why the change of heart? Or have you just got your game face on (which, admittedly, wouldn't be very alignment indicative..) I honestly didn't feel it needed repeating (it stood on its own) and just wanted to start seeing what I could get out of the thread. I definitely agree to discourage spam as much as possible but at the same time don't ignore the lurkers. Similarly as was already said, there are high volume posters that do play well as mafia. Sometimes you might also get a milder form of spam if you have too many conversational posters. I can't remember where I said this before but I've said it multiple times now - there's conversational and case based posting and inevitably some people are going to have longer filters if they do engage in long - even if useful - conversation. That said I think either way if people keep things to the point, EBWOPs aside, spam really shouldn't be an issue. That said, this post by Grokken http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=129&topic_id=488742 was called into question and honestly I don't think this warrants a scum read - if he's scum, it's not going to be for this. In the context of that entire conversation, there's nothing but sarcasm, to me it's just a cheeky post especially considering the "oh shit you got me" response Gandhi posted after that. The two of them (him and Gandhi) seem pretty carefree like they don't really care what people think of them, which actually warrant a town tell. The second quote that was called into question - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488742-newbie-student-mafia-xii?page=8#148 First off - one liners aren't alignment indicative either way - like I said before someone might try to evaluate conversation as they have it. I don't think it's reasonable to scum read him largely because NHM hasn't been back to respond so how are you setting up the expectation already that he needs to follow up? There's nothing to follow up on. I think Grokken is a townlean based on his first few posts, it is reasonable for a new player to question something that seems off or may warrant an explanation - and I agree it does. I don't think TJ is being reasonable to set up the follow-up expectation when it's pretty clear where the expectation lies - the answer to that particular question. A haste to judgement is a scumlean (esp for a player I don't know). | ||
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On July 12 2015 02:32 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Grokken's first post seems pretty innocuous to me, and even if there was something sinister behind it, reading someone at all in the first few posts creates poor conclusions, imo. Second post there is sketchier to me, in that it seems serious in its attempts to prod the town, despite not actually bringing up any discussion that will lead to a conclusion. That's a little smelly to me. That said, it's tiny enough that it could fly either way. Day 1 reads are all luck anyways :| The irony here is that it did - although more on the asker of the question (Grokken) than the subject (NHM). In any case I do want to see what NHM says on Fidei's opening or subsequent posts. Also find it interesting that Sulfurus tells MD to create his big filter, yet he doesnt' comment on anything MD has posted so far nor does he derive a conclusion from the latest quote MD posted about creating a big filter. Usually hanging back like this is a scum tell for a newbie player. On July 12 2015 04:09 Sulfurus wrote: @Moosy If you want a monster filter do it yourself. | ||
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On July 12 2015 02:59 MoosyDoosy wrote: Let's talk guys. I want to create a monster filter so that no one can accuse me of Mafia. :3 On this quote itself, this could be self-consciousness (a scum tell) or it could be an earnest townie just wanting to play the game, but then again scum wouldn't make this so obvious. Newbie scum....ehhhh probably not. Probably a slight townlean, maybe I'm wrong, I don't know how MD played last game. | ||
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On July 12 2015 04:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Right now its basically impossible to read into anything effectively, so Day 1 we might as well just flush out all of the lurkers, which I may work on when I get off work in a couple hours. If I'm reading you correctly you want to lynch lurkers (bolded). Policy lynches are something you resort to (or calling for a potential vigilante to shoot them or any DT to check them at night) for lurkers. You always want to give some effort to look for some sort of scummy behaviour. I did gloss quick over the first few pages of the one game you played. You seemed a bit clueless as town in some of your posts, so I am inclined this could be another deer in the headlights reaction from you however, pretending to do nothing is a meta that can be easily faked. It's a null read for now until I see the first wave of reads from you - which you did eventually offer in your town game. | ||
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The same thing would also apply for (at this point in time) WannaPlay who has yet to post. SW is a null read as he is repeating most of the points said and repeating (parroting is another term you'll see used) is something that can be done as either alignment early on, exclusively parroting the entire game is usually scum indicative. Looking through the thread I would say my top three lynches at this point in time are Sulfurus (the post on MD), MD (self-meta) - I know I've seen veterans try to trash/adjust their meta, but for someone who's only played one game on site, I don't understand why you'd want to make the game more difficult for yourself as town - and to a lesser extent NHM (the post on Fidei). On MD, aside from what others have said, I also don't like the comment "creating specific scenarios" - unless you are directly accusing noobking of actually lying about what happened last game, it would otherwise seem he's relating from another game - database on NSM shows what noob said actually happened re: the nightkills so that is a clear indication you were in decent standing amongst the playerbase in that game. | ||
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On July 12 2015 12:06 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I'm strictly against considering policy lynches this early in the day. I'm saying we should get everyone to start talking because lurkers quickly become scapegoats, especially in newbie games where lurkers are often people who are just unsure of what to say. Alright, good, thanks for clarifying. I wasn't sure by when you said "flush out" - I usually think "get rid of" but you simply meant "expose" or force them to play. Fair enough. From what I read of your other game you have admitted some hesitation as town to read people. Do you have even a slight thought on the most discussed lynch targets (from what I can tell - scott/Nydus/Moosy/Sulfurus)? | ||
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Another thing of note - for MD - question for you On July 12 2015 07:49 MoosyDoosy wrote: For people wondering, what I do is find townreads and work from there so don't expect me to be finding Mafia anytime soon. In the earlier stages of the game, and especially when there are at least 3-4 individuals that have little to no posting with (I think approx 19h left in the day cycle), how do you expect to ultimately decide whom you want to lynch for the D1? | ||
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You're not particularly answering the question. Maybe it might help if you answered the one I just posed. | ||
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