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Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 14 2015 22:26 GMT
#6802
Morning guys my reads are confirmed the greatest I hard townread both scum at one point, bow down.

HF talk me through your scum reads I'll listen
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 14 2015 22:46 GMT
#6819
I didn't think anything of it at the time because I was fairly certain ksc was town but that post you pointed out from Ruxxar about "if ksc flips mafia" really gives me weird feelings now. It felt like such a fluff post like was Ruxxar even scum or null on ksc? I'm getting on my computer now but if he was town reading then I don't even see why a post like that crosses your mind.

Also if it was that important to him to post before the flip I thought he would be the first to look at their interactions but this is week since its been like 45 mins
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 14 2015 23:23 GMT
#6832
Lol Ruxxar SOZ didn't know you stopped town reading ksc I'll take a look at your filter for it later anyway but internet is down and filters on phone suck.

The post isn't as bad if he has suspicion on KSC already but is still just like a meh thing to post in my opinion
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 15 2015 01:37 GMT
#6863
It is a really weird day to actually martyr aswell since this is the first day where there is no like "mechanical" reason to lynch someone so people would actually be talking about reads. Add onto that the two other times this game HF has matyred and both seeming really fake im actually fine with lynching him if he is going to choose to give up. IRL stuff sucks but I know like even if your mafia HF not sure why you are talking about quiting or giving up, that aint you and i dont even know you.

Although I still kind of want to lynch ruxxar first even though the stuff I don't like about him never seems to be as bad as i think it is.

BF still kinda has me like wtf especially since he keeps saying HTS played in himalayas which she hosted and he seems to be basing a read on that?

Trefel are you around?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 15 2015 02:40 GMT
#6871
So who arw we lynching today EBH
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 15 2015 02:48 GMT
#6872
I mean why obi, i would like to be enlightened
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 15 2015 11:42 GMT
#6881
So if HF is scum he has all these people basically commuting to only lynching him if he doesn't come back so he will come back right near the end and start posting again to throw us for a loop because people are already saying they won't lynch him if he comes back
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 15 2015 14:17 GMT
#6906
hey sorry had problems at work.

@clarityyes im scumreading ruxxar.

Also im townreading

LS, rsoul, trfel and HTS. I am also townreading OWS and clarity but i am less sure about these two but i think thats because i am not as familiar with them.

Does anyone have problems with these people (other than ruxxar concerning rsoul)
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 16 2015 00:23 GMT
#7063
On July 16 2015 00:25 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
Not sure why I ever dropped my scumread on breshke lower he clearly has no reason to solve the game.

so he townreads the entire game and then has his one "whacky" read of scumreading ruxxar and then just leaves off all the low content posters generically. The ruxxar read is simply to seem as if he is somehow engaged to the game, this is textbook mafia.

if only I had any pull this game...


This takes me post fairly out of context and is half bullshit

I townread 6 people which isn't even half of the game. it also wasn't even a reads list. Saying I had ruxxar as scum was actually a direct response to clarity. The townreads were there because it is my platform to work off of and I wanted to see if anyone disagreed because I have been so wrong this game. As an aside if OWS is actually mafia and you are town EBH you are probably the biggest hindrance to town since you arn't even trying to convince people. Like OWS is me least sure townread so i ask you to explain your read and you just ignore it, it's reallt frustrating

Trfel is right about BF pplaying dumb his first game but I think this dumbtell is different because its less of playing dumb and more of just purely misunderstanding something. I'm not sure how to explain this but i think clarity has done so already. Add BF to my townlist.

Leaves me with 3 scum in

24) Holyflare (filter)
25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter)
19) Oatsmaster (filter)
5) ruXxar (filter)
6) Vivax (filter)
3) WaveofShadow (filter)

which i will be looking through today
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 16 2015 00:31 GMT
#7065
I also NEVER said lynching damdred over milo would be bad i said it didnt matter at the time WHO we lynched because i was under the assumption there was 1 RB and they were BOTH mafia. In wich case the two claimed investigative roles who had claimed a the time that i believed were never getting a cheack off no matter who we lynched.

Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 16 2015 00:38 GMT
#7066
On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.

I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.

Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.

I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town)


genuinely thankyou for this.

Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from?

Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 16 2015 01:21 GMT
#7085
On July 16 2015 09:56 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote:
On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.

I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.

Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.

I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town)


genuinely thankyou for this.

Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from?

Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate?


Well, oats pushed geript for his "scum slip" thing all of day one right?

Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun.

Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you?

Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:
On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun.

Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you?

First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op.

scumslip


It genuinely looks like Oats is a VT and "caught" out geript in his scum slip thing and besides that he had actual logical reasons to scum read geript too, he elaborated more on it later:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 01:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 08 2015 01:55 Harkon wrote:
Let's look at oats scumslip accusations:
On July 07 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:
On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun.

Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you?

First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op.

scumslip

This is extremely stupid since geript says in the very same post that roles (for example the VT role investigator) are listed in the OP.
On July 07 2015 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators.

scumslip x2

This is weird because geript doesn't connect the investigator to the VT role like I just said. I also already pointed that out when it happened. The 2 investigators comment itself is perfectly fine.

except geript isnt referring to the VT role pm when he says "roles", hes referring to the blue roles available in the game.

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 02:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:11 geript wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:04 geript wrote:
On June 19 2015 05:29 Blazinghand wrote:

DMLE Investigator (Vanilla Townie): You’ve been working in Precinct 16 for a long time. You’ve seen a lot of messed up things in your day. When the going gets tough, you don’t stop. Every case takes a little bit out of you, but someone has to do this work. You are a VT.

Investigator Extraordinaire (Vigilante): You keep on thinking back to your idol, Rita Skeeter. You want to be just like her. You’re not gonna let things like an “ongoing investigation” or “hostage situation” stop you from writing your character assassination pieces. You’re a journalist; you and your quick-quotes quill doesn’t afraid of anyone. At night, you can fire a bullet to deal 1 kp to a target. You can't shoot during night 1.

Very hard to read the OP. Much tough. Very braindead.

So why didnt you say something referring investigator to vt?

Why would I need to?

because thats clearly what I was talking about if you had gotten the vt role pm.

But you didnt, so you messed up.


To oats, it was obvious that geript did not get the VT pm and he spent ages tunneling on it (I actually really like all of his posts d1 and maybe I should ignore oats less ) so if he was mafia he'd know that geript was actually blue.




Vivax is a bit hard to quantify but i'll try in a bit


I kinda wrote this off because i thought it was dumb. Like the last quote chain especially im not sure what interaction oats was looking for with geript. I found it weird but not alignment indicative weird more like i dont get this weird. I thought it was fairly clear that geript ment that the word investigator shouldn't mean anything to anyone because the pms are listen in the OP. I do understand the logic though that oats seemed fairly certain it meant geript was not VT so if he was mafia he would have likely pushed for that nightkill. This is a good reason to townread oats.

On July 16 2015 09:59 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote:
On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.

I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.

Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.

I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town)


genuinely thankyou for this.

Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from?

Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate?


Nah, I just explained I don't have a read on ruxxar. His situation is also a bit different because he JUST played in a mafia game with me together so I expected him to have a different insight into things than Clarity for example who keeps denying anything being told to him. Ruxxar's read is based on his anecdotal facts and own point of view and Clarity's is based purely on.... who knows and when you don't really know a player and everyone is screaming in your face otherwise and you still keep that read then it's pretty fucking scummy to me. Yeh, I do have a weakness for people defending me too and rsoultin should know that because she did exactly the same to me in another game so saying it's weird is pretty bad for her anyway.

Did you read my stuff on Obi Breshke? Both the night posts and post I just made now? Why do you have him as town?


Okay i see how that doesn't really apply but can you look at this post please.

On July 14 2015 01:29 ruXxar wrote:
I was scum with HF last game, and I have a townlean on him this game.

In general I find HF hard to read, he doesn't conform to the stereotypic mafia player.
There are however small nuances that I think makes him town this game, compared to last game.

1) He's actually pushing logical targets. I find myself agreeing with a lot of his reasoning, as compared to just trying to tunnel people to death with weak arguments and a play on emotions.
Last game he tried to lynch people by ridiculing them and their arguments and being over the top and shouting at them. Blowing things out of proportions and trying to make them look stupid.
I'm seeing a relatively more "calm" and reasoning HF this game. More serious and down to business.

2) He's more wishy washy. This doesn't mean that he IS wishy washy in a general sense, but in a relative sense compared to last game. Especially the night when were lynched BM he seemed a bit all over the place, uncertain where to go. You see that he sometimes have a hard time picking a target to lynch, I can relate to that very well.
That isn't the scum HF I played with last game. He mainly picked one target and stuck with it, and didn't waver much.

3) He's re-evaluating his stance.
You can see multiple times throughout the game that he's re-evaluating his stance on people.
This is apparent in how he's re-evaluating his stance on both trfel, hts, milo and others continuously, jumping from towny to scummy based on their actions/reactions.

That's my opinion on HF so far this game, I don't agree that shooting him is a good idea.
If anything, shoot Rsoul.


Do you think these reasons could make him have such a strong townread that he doesn't really seem to second guess it. I think all of these things are entirely possible for you to do as town. Number 1 is the best reason i find but it still shouldn't make his read so concrete. He speaks with such authority like he knows your play so well and hey maybe he does but i find it really hard to believe coming from someone who has played what? 1 game with you?

Also if anything the second reason concerning the BM lynch I wouldn't really say is townie since we know it was town v town and this was posted after the MZ flip but he doesn't even take this into account in his read.

I have read your obi stuff but i don't really remember it, i will definitely go back and take a look at it sometime soon like this phase though.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 16 2015 01:23 GMT
#7087
Also i forgot to add that im townreading OWs for his early play when he was posting stuff I was thinking it felt like we were along the same lines. I said recently that he was my least sure townread and thats because i had the same feelings about KSC and kinda damdred super early so i could very well be wrong.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 16 2015 02:45 GMT
#7095
Obi can you explain how your read on clarity evolved from scumreading him to whatever it is now?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 16 2015 05:07 GMT
#7133
Ruxxar all your martying stuff about HF means jack shit though because he never truely left. And if he is mafia he was probably planning on doing exactly what I said and coming back right near the end to get votes off of himself.

That being said I do not want to lynch HF this cycle. Obi can you give a read on clarity that doesn't give him a pass for activity i want to see it please
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 16 2015 06:41 GMT
#7191
On July 16 2015 14:47 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 14:44 rsoultin wrote:
On July 16 2015 14:40 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
On July 16 2015 14:38 rsoultin wrote:
On July 16 2015 14:37 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
well that was also the first thought that entered my head when i read my role because i didnt look at role list beforehand, so its relevant


nope


What is nope? I don't see why anyone wants me to explain anything if they dont follow that same mantra. At least dont all be massive hypocrites.


nope as in anyone can read the op, go look vt has investigator in the role, and make that post

it's a ridiculous thing to townread someone for beyond maaaaaybe the very start of the game and an even more ridiculous thing to still be townreading someone for as your main reason

i didn't realize that was what you were referring to -_- and i know i've already commented on this and frankly this "oh i thought that too!" crap always makes me roll my eyes


frankly I think you are only refuting it because you do not want HF to be townread, the game is over with HF and mine mislynches. You can already see the game leaning that way as people slowly start consolidating their scum reads to me and hf out of nowhere.


This is weird like dont you scumread me? I jsut said i dont wanna lynch HF
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 16 2015 06:42 GMT
#7193
like its fairly simple why i flipped on Hf a little obi, im a sucker for people who engage with me. I dont know why you are flipping a shit.

Rsoul how behind in the game are you?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 16 2015 06:56 GMT
#7208
On July 16 2015 15:48 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 15:42 Breshke wrote:
like its fairly simple why i flipped on Hf a little obi, im a sucker for people who engage with me. I dont know why you are flipping a shit.

Rsoul how behind in the game are you?


i'm not? i'm behind in the work i usually put into a game that y'all never see much of, just the results from lol >< should have been in bed half an hour ago

right now my main concern is seeing if hf's case on obi has any validity


Ahh okay it is just weird for you not to have a read on me.

Also yeah HF wasn't around when we misslynched him
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 16 2015 14:03 GMT
#7270
Rsoul I think it is unfair to say HF has been shitting up the thread since he came back from his most recent matry i agree he has been fairly resonable like at least towards me the way he dissasembled my attempt at POE was rather useful and he was the only person to actually like interact with me about that. Im not saying it makes him town because he would probably do that as mafia aswell because i dont see how he would think coming back to the thread and shitting it up would help him if he was mafia at this stage.

Also HF i really think rsoul is town like i know it was ages ago but i really feel like that read I gave on her was legit and the like one thing this game i feel really confident about other than HTS being town.

It is really strange obi just left like that IDK i get if he is town where the frustration comes from but i don't get why it was so intense so fast. urghh i don't even know if i want to lynch clarity there is seriously like noone i have strong feelings about lynching cant we just kill wos he will probs get modkilled anyway
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 16 2015 14:08 GMT
#7272
On July 16 2015 23:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 23:03 Breshke wrote:
Rsoul I think it is unfair to say HF has been shitting up the thread since he came back from his most recent matry i agree he has been fairly resonable like at least towards me the way he dissasembled my attempt at POE was rather useful and he was the only person to actually like interact with me about that. Im not saying it makes him town because he would probably do that as mafia aswell because i dont see how he would think coming back to the thread and shitting it up would help him if he was mafia at this stage.

Also HF i really think rsoul is town like i know it was ages ago but i really feel like that read I gave on her was legit and the like one thing this game i feel really confident about other than HTS being town.

It is really strange obi just left like that IDK i get if he is town where the frustration comes from but i don't get why it was so intense so fast. urghh i don't even know if i want to lynch clarity there is seriously like noone i have strong feelings about lynching cant we just kill wos he will probs get modkilled anyway


No, that's a terrible idea.

yeah the extra death doesnt actually matter my bad
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