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On July 14 2015 10:29 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 10:27 Trfel wrote:
Seriously, someone please give me actual reasons why I'm wrong about Holyflare/scott31337/ruXxar. If I'm wrongly confirmation biasing against them, I need to know why before I read more. i dont get your scott damdred case so can you explain that RuXxar townread scott31337 and Damdred for a nonexistent reason (or at least a nonsensical one, that or I'm completely missing it). It's not as important as the other things that scott31337 did, though.
On July 14 2015 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 10:27 Trfel wrote:
Seriously, someone please give me actual reasons why I'm wrong about Holyflare/scott31337/ruXxar. If I'm wrongly confirmation biasing against them, I need to know why before I read more. yeah, is there any reason why you feel like your stuff isnt getting traction? Other than everyone thinking you are mafia. Does this comment have a purpose, or are you just taking a potshot at me for no reason?
Assuming the former, it's obvious that if people are reading my posts, they don't care to actually respond. Before, I didn't mind so much. Now, I mind much more.
You CANNOT scumread me until you explain why I am wrong. "You are mafia" and "you didn't read the game" do not qualify.
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On July 14 2015 10:38 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 10:29 KelsierSC wrote:On July 14 2015 10:27 Trfel wrote:
Seriously, someone please give me actual reasons why I'm wrong about Holyflare/scott31337/ruXxar. If I'm wrongly confirmation biasing against them, I need to know why before I read more. i dont get your scott damdred case so can you explain that RuXxar townread scott31337 and Damdred for a nonexistent reason (or at least a nonsensical one, that or I'm completely missing it). It's not as important as the other things that scott31337 did, though. Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 14 2015 10:27 Trfel wrote:
Seriously, someone please give me actual reasons why I'm wrong about Holyflare/scott31337/ruXxar. If I'm wrongly confirmation biasing against them, I need to know why before I read more. yeah, is there any reason why you feel like your stuff isnt getting traction? Other than everyone thinking you are mafia. Does this comment have a purpose, or are you just taking a potshot at me for no reason? Assuming the former, it's obvious that if people are reading my posts, they don't care to actually respond. Before, I didn't mind so much. Now, I mind much more. You CANNOT scumread me until you explain why I am wrong. "You are mafia" and "you didn't read the game" do not qualify.
i agree on your point about scott
i'll check your otjer sut
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i dont think any of the reasons for scott are alignment indicative.
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Making no sense isnt a scumtell.
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I actually think ruxxar could be mafia aswell trefel.
Something about him always coming to HF's defense when he fake matrys jsut doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't have the fear in him that HF is mafia. I also have a problem with him talking about "lynch him later lynch him at lylo." As he already complained about the amount of lurkers in the game and it would just be the same situation he himself and HF took advantage of last game where they could easily steer the thread because they were some of the msot active.
Basically I don't think ruxxar is showing that townie paranoia and is too sure of his HF read especially when thread eladers like harkon and marv are unsure/flipfloppy on hf's allighnment
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On July 14 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:
I actually think ruxxar could be mafia aswell trefel.
Something about him always coming to HF's defense when he fake matrys jsut doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't have the fear in him that HF is mafia. I also have a problem with him talking about "lynch him later lynch him at lylo." As he already complained about the amount of lurkers in the game and it would just be the same situation he himself and HF took advantage of last game where they could easily steer the thread because they were some of the msot active.
Basically I don't think ruxxar is showing that townie paranoia and is too sure of his HF read especially when thread eladers like harkon and marv are unsure/flipfloppy on hf's allighnment
Does this make them mafia together or what?
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On July 14 2015 11:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:
I actually think ruxxar could be mafia aswell trefel.
Something about him always coming to HF's defense when he fake matrys jsut doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't have the fear in him that HF is mafia. I also have a problem with him talking about "lynch him later lynch him at lylo." As he already complained about the amount of lurkers in the game and it would just be the same situation he himself and HF took advantage of last game where they could easily steer the thread because they were some of the msot active.
Basically I don't think ruxxar is showing that townie paranoia and is too sure of his HF read especially when thread eladers like harkon and marv are unsure/flipfloppy on hf's allighnment Does this make them mafia together or what?
No it doesn't really mean much about HF's allighnment
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On July 14 2015 11:16 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 11:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 14 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:
I actually think ruxxar could be mafia aswell trefel.
Something about him always coming to HF's defense when he fake matrys jsut doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't have the fear in him that HF is mafia. I also have a problem with him talking about "lynch him later lynch him at lylo." As he already complained about the amount of lurkers in the game and it would just be the same situation he himself and HF took advantage of last game where they could easily steer the thread because they were some of the msot active.
Basically I don't think ruxxar is showing that townie paranoia and is too sure of his HF read especially when thread eladers like harkon and marv are unsure/flipfloppy on hf's allighnment Does this make them mafia together or what? No it doesn't really mean much about HF's allighnment
really?
Dont you think its hard to call your mafia teammate town when hes obviously not?
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On July 14 2015 11:16 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 11:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 14 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:
I actually think ruxxar could be mafia aswell trefel.
Something about him always coming to HF's defense when he fake matrys jsut doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't have the fear in him that HF is mafia. I also have a problem with him talking about "lynch him later lynch him at lylo." As he already complained about the amount of lurkers in the game and it would just be the same situation he himself and HF took advantage of last game where they could easily steer the thread because they were some of the msot active.
Basically I don't think ruxxar is showing that townie paranoia and is too sure of his HF read especially when thread eladers like harkon and marv are unsure/flipfloppy on hf's allighnment Does this make them mafia together or what? No it doesn't really mean much about HF's allighnment
It just seems like such a weird point to focus on.
I don't really get how this says anything about ruxxar really?
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On July 14 2015 09:44 Trfel wrote:Adding ruXxar to the scum pool. + Show Spoiler [Reasons, if you're interested in…] +He scumread me (Trfel) without explaining his reasoning. He seemed to really want to lynch me (enough to repeat himself without prompting about it), but not enough to clearly state why, for people who hadn't read Student Mafia 11. Furthermore, his scumread on me was posted well after my opening post, and his vote was made even after that. This doesn't feel like a town mindset.
The first main push in the thread was Damdred's push on LightningStrike. RuXxar was one of the people who didn't say anything about the push. However, a few pages later, RuXxar seemed accepting of the push (asked LightningStrike what he was trying to say with his list of scott31337's games). He didn't mention LightningStrike again for a while, though. His interest in LightningStrike doesn't feel very high at all, which is strange, especially since he townread Damdred. If he didn't like the push, he should have said so; as it is, he gave himself room to jump on it later, while largely avoiding it.
His townread of Damdred and scott31337 seems to be for a trap, which made no sense whatsoever. Making a post that contains no relevant information or reads generally isn't a reason for someone to be town.
RuXxar switching his main scumread from me to Clarity_nl has several problems. First, it shows he wasn't really reading the game clearly, or he would have thought of this at the start, not only when someone mentioned something that had been said many times already. Second, why did he scumread and vote Clarity_nl and completely ignore Holyflare, while scumreading Clarity_nl for an association with Holyflare early on? His interest in Holyflare is nonexistant.
Then, instead of discussing his scumreads, he just says that everyone questioning or being suspicious of Clarity_nl is towny.
Yes, this is different from how he played last game (as mafia). But it's also very different from how he played as town. Having done well as scum last game, I can see him excited to play scum again (especially if it's with Holyflare again, as I suspect). And his early play is very, very hard to see from a town perspective, while the mafia motivation seems clear.
1) I scum read you at the start for 2 reasons :
- Your comments were pointless and contributed nothing. I gained a lot of respect for you after the newbie game and expected a lot more.
- You were evasive when asked for your opinion.
2) I did not try to interject on damdreds push because I wanted to see what information could be gained from it.
3) The #battrap comment to damdred and scott was an inside joke from our newbie game(you were there).
4) Ok, here's my reasonining around clarity:
At first I had the thought that she was mafia with HF, because her comments on HF seemed pre-planned.
Then at a later point a thought struck me that she could actually be masoned with HF.
When clarity said "Do not lynch me and HF today" I thought she strongly alluded to them being masoned together.
I decided to give her time. This is also why I asked her a few times how she would feel if HF got lynched / died.
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On July 14 2015 11:24 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 11:16 Breshke wrote:On July 14 2015 11:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 14 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:
I actually think ruxxar could be mafia aswell trefel.
Something about him always coming to HF's defense when he fake matrys jsut doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't have the fear in him that HF is mafia. I also have a problem with him talking about "lynch him later lynch him at lylo." As he already complained about the amount of lurkers in the game and it would just be the same situation he himself and HF took advantage of last game where they could easily steer the thread because they were some of the msot active.
Basically I don't think ruxxar is showing that townie paranoia and is too sure of his HF read especially when thread eladers like harkon and marv are unsure/flipfloppy on hf's allighnment Does this make them mafia together or what? No it doesn't really mean much about HF's allighnment really? Dont you think its hard to call your mafia teammate town when hes obviously not?
I don't think you could say HF is "obviously not" town.
On July 14 2015 11:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 11:16 Breshke wrote:On July 14 2015 11:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 14 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:
I actually think ruxxar could be mafia aswell trefel.
Something about him always coming to HF's defense when he fake matrys jsut doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't have the fear in him that HF is mafia. I also have a problem with him talking about "lynch him later lynch him at lylo." As he already complained about the amount of lurkers in the game and it would just be the same situation he himself and HF took advantage of last game where they could easily steer the thread because they were some of the msot active.
Basically I don't think ruxxar is showing that townie paranoia and is too sure of his HF read especially when thread eladers like harkon and marv are unsure/flipfloppy on hf's allighnment Does this make them mafia together or what? No it doesn't really mean much about HF's allighnment It just seems like such a weird point to focus on. I don't really get how this says anything about ruxxar really?
Tell me why does ruxxar townreadread HF?
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On July 14 2015 11:29 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 11:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 14 2015 11:16 Breshke wrote:On July 14 2015 11:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 14 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:
I actually think ruxxar could be mafia aswell trefel.
Something about him always coming to HF's defense when he fake matrys jsut doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't have the fear in him that HF is mafia. I also have a problem with him talking about "lynch him later lynch him at lylo." As he already complained about the amount of lurkers in the game and it would just be the same situation he himself and HF took advantage of last game where they could easily steer the thread because they were some of the msot active.
Basically I don't think ruxxar is showing that townie paranoia and is too sure of his HF read especially when thread eladers like harkon and marv are unsure/flipfloppy on hf's allighnment Does this make them mafia together or what? No it doesn't really mean much about HF's allighnment really? Dont you think its hard to call your mafia teammate town when hes obviously not? I don't think you could say HF is "obviously not" town. Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 11:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 14 2015 11:16 Breshke wrote:On July 14 2015 11:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 14 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:
I actually think ruxxar could be mafia aswell trefel.
Something about him always coming to HF's defense when he fake matrys jsut doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't have the fear in him that HF is mafia. I also have a problem with him talking about "lynch him later lynch him at lylo." As he already complained about the amount of lurkers in the game and it would just be the same situation he himself and HF took advantage of last game where they could easily steer the thread because they were some of the msot active.
Basically I don't think ruxxar is showing that townie paranoia and is too sure of his HF read especially when thread eladers like harkon and marv are unsure/flipfloppy on hf's allighnment Does this make them mafia together or what? No it doesn't really mean much about HF's allighnment It just seems like such a weird point to focus on. I don't really get how this says anything about ruxxar really? Tell me why does ruxxar townreadread HF?
Do me a favor and tell me instead? Or at least quote it? I'm not reading through this slog of a game to find something about a player that I haven't really had any ill-will towards this game, especially when it seems like such an irrelevant point to me.
Also, I'm going to start posting bigger posts to hopefully keep my filter/the game readable.
If anything I thought kelsier's analysis of Hf was scummy because he fixated on things that didn't really exist in order to read Hf as town, especially when I've seen him pull that kind of analysis as mafia before.
Dnu. Kelsier had a really strong early game and I know people are dropping his name but I can't really seem to find the basis for that either. /shrug
What did you think of that and how is ruxxar's read on Hf scummier than that?
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i think it's kinda obvious what trfel is saying, ows? (and a really good point, lol ><)
ruxxar just got out of a game where he was scum with hf and saw him somehow survive a red check through three consecutive day phases, so if anything he should at least be somewhat wary of hf's alignment? almost the entirety of the rest of the game is, and we've all seen hf play as both alignments numerous times. it's weird he's that certain
like if hf is town this game, i think ruxx buddying up like this and acting like his parrot is even scummier, to be completely honest
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like, in general, i do not understand ruxxar's approach to either holyflare or myself given last game. he's seen exactly what happens when people start nitpicking my shit and he saw how i defended gb and damdy last game but this game i'm scum for "defending" trfel?
and hf is town cause he's not being as cantankerous?
but trfel's right in that ruxx hasn't seemed to be concerned about hf at all this game
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On July 14 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 11:29 Breshke wrote:On July 14 2015 11:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 14 2015 11:16 Breshke wrote:On July 14 2015 11:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 14 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:
I actually think ruxxar could be mafia aswell trefel.
Something about him always coming to HF's defense when he fake matrys jsut doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't have the fear in him that HF is mafia. I also have a problem with him talking about "lynch him later lynch him at lylo." As he already complained about the amount of lurkers in the game and it would just be the same situation he himself and HF took advantage of last game where they could easily steer the thread because they were some of the msot active.
Basically I don't think ruxxar is showing that townie paranoia and is too sure of his HF read especially when thread eladers like harkon and marv are unsure/flipfloppy on hf's allighnment Does this make them mafia together or what? No it doesn't really mean much about HF's allighnment really? Dont you think its hard to call your mafia teammate town when hes obviously not? I don't think you could say HF is "obviously not" town. On July 14 2015 11:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 14 2015 11:16 Breshke wrote:On July 14 2015 11:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 14 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:
I actually think ruxxar could be mafia aswell trefel.
Something about him always coming to HF's defense when he fake matrys jsut doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't have the fear in him that HF is mafia. I also have a problem with him talking about "lynch him later lynch him at lylo." As he already complained about the amount of lurkers in the game and it would just be the same situation he himself and HF took advantage of last game where they could easily steer the thread because they were some of the msot active.
Basically I don't think ruxxar is showing that townie paranoia and is too sure of his HF read especially when thread eladers like harkon and marv are unsure/flipfloppy on hf's allighnment Does this make them mafia together or what? No it doesn't really mean much about HF's allighnment It just seems like such a weird point to focus on. I don't really get how this says anything about ruxxar really? Tell me why does ruxxar townreadread HF? Do me a favor and tell me instead? Or at least quote it? I'm not reading through this slog of a game to find something about a player that I haven't really had any ill-will towards this game, especially when it seems like such an irrelevant point to me. Also, I'm going to start posting bigger posts to hopefully keep my filter/the game readable. If anything I thought kelsier's analysis of Hf was scummy because he fixated on things that didn't really exist in order to read Hf as town, especially when I've seen him pull that kind of analysis as mafia before. Dnu. Kelsier had a really strong early game and I know people are dropping his name but I can't really seem to find the basis for that either. /shrug What did you think of that and how is ruxxar's read on Hf scummier than that?
Sorry that question was jsut kind of a set up.
Iirc tell he doesn't really qualify it anywhere other than saying "HF is making sense" which i cant seem to find now but yeah that is totally possible from a scum HF. His big thing this game was pushing the scummyness of rsoul interupting HF's pressure which he seemed to be really convinced that it made rsoul scummy which means he must be really sure the pressure came from a town. Yet i don't see how he can be so sure HF is town
Is this making sense? I don't think it is.
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On July 14 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:
I actually think ruxxar could be mafia aswell trefel.
Something about him always coming to HF's defense when he fake matrys jsut doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't have the fear in him that HF is mafia. I also have a problem with him talking about "lynch him later lynch him at lylo." As he already complained about the amount of lurkers in the game and it would just be the same situation he himself and HF took advantage of last game where they could easily steer the thread because they were some of the msot active.
Basically I don't think ruxxar is showing that townie paranoia and is too sure of his HF read especially when thread eladers like harkon and marv are unsure/flipfloppy on hf's allighnment
I gave my reasons for my HF town-read here
I feel fairly confident in my read as I was mafia with him last game and I paid very close attention to what he said and how he said it.
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On July 14 2015 11:29 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 11:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 14 2015 11:16 Breshke wrote:On July 14 2015 11:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 14 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:
I actually think ruxxar could be mafia aswell trefel.
Something about him always coming to HF's defense when he fake matrys jsut doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't have the fear in him that HF is mafia. I also have a problem with him talking about "lynch him later lynch him at lylo." As he already complained about the amount of lurkers in the game and it would just be the same situation he himself and HF took advantage of last game where they could easily steer the thread because they were some of the msot active.
Basically I don't think ruxxar is showing that townie paranoia and is too sure of his HF read especially when thread eladers like harkon and marv are unsure/flipfloppy on hf's allighnment Does this make them mafia together or what? No it doesn't really mean much about HF's allighnment really? Dont you think its hard to call your mafia teammate town when hes obviously not? I don't think you could say HF is "obviously not" town. Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 11:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 14 2015 11:16 Breshke wrote:On July 14 2015 11:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 14 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:
I actually think ruxxar could be mafia aswell trefel.
Something about him always coming to HF's defense when he fake matrys jsut doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't have the fear in him that HF is mafia. I also have a problem with him talking about "lynch him later lynch him at lylo." As he already complained about the amount of lurkers in the game and it would just be the same situation he himself and HF took advantage of last game where they could easily steer the thread because they were some of the msot active.
Basically I don't think ruxxar is showing that townie paranoia and is too sure of his HF read especially when thread eladers like harkon and marv are unsure/flipfloppy on hf's allighnment Does this make them mafia together or what? No it doesn't really mean much about HF's allighnment It just seems like such a weird point to focus on. I don't really get how this says anything about ruxxar really? Tell me why does ruxxar townreadread HF?
what i meant was not obviously town, in the view of the thread.
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that was this day phase ruxx...lol is hf your trfel? xP
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oh i'm sorry that wasn't trfel's point lol that was breshke's
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On July 14 2015 11:37 rsoultin wrote:
i think it's kinda obvious what trfel is saying, ows? (and a really good point, lol ><)
ruxxar just got out of a game where he was scum with hf and saw him somehow survive a red check through three consecutive day phases, so if anything he should at least be somewhat wary of hf's alignment? almost the entirety of the rest of the game is, and we've all seen hf play as both alignments numerous times. it's weird he's that certain
like if hf is town this game, i think ruxx buddying up like this and acting like his parrot is even scummier, to be completely honest
I get the point, but I've been in the same position because I hard townread Hf in a game a long, long time ago right after he beat me as scum.
Just because it's Hf doesn't mean that people can't legitimately townread him.
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