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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2015 23:15 GMT
#1459
On July 07 2015 08:13 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 08:10 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 07 2015 07:59 geript wrote:
Idk what it is about Palmer. But I think too many people have brought him up seriously for him to likely be mafia. It's possible. But I got a hint of interest from him. Those two things make me think he's likely town.


How do you differentiate (like a quote or something) his interest in being town versus his interest as either alignment? I think to his last two games, particularly the large normal Guardians and some people weren't having the greatest towny vibes there either and his vote d1 several cited as particularly suspect.

Palmer hates playing scum unless he's on a super stacked team in my experience.
Palmar generally plays the game more seriously as scum than as town.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2015 23:16 GMT
#1463
Can someone please answer my question:

Is it normal for scott31337 to miss obvious jokes?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2015 23:17 GMT
#1466
On July 07 2015 08:16 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 08:15 Trfel wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:13 geript wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:10 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 07 2015 07:59 geript wrote:
Idk what it is about Palmer. But I think too many people have brought him up seriously for him to likely be mafia. It's possible. But I got a hint of interest from him. Those two things make me think he's likely town.


How do you differentiate (like a quote or something) his interest in being town versus his interest as either alignment? I think to his last two games, particularly the large normal Guardians and some people weren't having the greatest towny vibes there either and his vote d1 several cited as particularly suspect.

Palmer hates playing scum unless he's on a super stacked team in my experience.
Palmar generally plays the game more seriously as scum than as town.

Not really. He plays to troll and/or not get modkilled.
As town, often this is the case... But lately, Palmar's meta is definitely to play seriously as scum and troll as town (though this is in regards to posting style, and not effort/time expended).
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2015 23:18 GMT
#1467
On July 07 2015 08:17 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 08:16 Trfel wrote:
Can someone please answer my question:

Is it normal for scott31337 to miss obvious jokes?


...

there a particular reason you're sucking?
I'd rather not go into it.

I'd like to know the answer to the question, please. It's somewhat important to me.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2015 23:19 GMT
#1473
Also, LightningStrike, what do think about ritoky now that he has claimed?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2015 23:27 GMT
#1482
LightningStrike, hypothetically, what if someone counterclaimed ritoky? What would you think then?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2015 23:29 GMT
#1485
On July 07 2015 08:27 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 08:16 Trfel wrote:
Can someone please answer my question:

Is it normal for scott31337 to miss obvious jokes?


I don't know but I think he's joking/jovial in this post, if you are referring to his response to the Ras emoticons -

Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 07:40 scott31337 wrote:
xP over-compensation - extremely suspicious...


Given the smiley face, he did the same thing when telling milo not to unvote early game and he wasn't scumreading him for that, at that time. It didn't look like a missed joke to me.
I was going further back...
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2015 23:31 GMT
#1492
I think that I want to lynch LightningStrike.

Anyone disagree? If so, please state why.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2015 23:36 GMT
#1502
On July 07 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote:
I don't disagree with lynching LS.

However

Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 08:31 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:27 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike, hypothetically, what if someone counterclaimed ritoky? What would you think then?


Do you have an opinion on ritoky independent of any claims?

I don't have a read on him.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2015 23:43 GMT
#1518
On July 07 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 08:36 Trfel wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote:
I don't disagree with lynching LS.

However

On July 07 2015 08:31 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:27 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike, hypothetically, what if someone counterclaimed ritoky? What would you think then?


Do you have an opinion on ritoky independent of any claims?

I don't have a read on him.


Hes probably been the most talked about person for the last.... 5-10 pages maybe? claim and all, you have no opinions but quizzed ls about his?
I wasn't asking to find out about ritoky, I don't really care about ritoky.

I was asking to learn more about LightningStrike.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2015 23:50 GMT
#1528
On July 07 2015 08:46 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 08:43 Trfel wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:36 Trfel wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote:
I don't disagree with lynching LS.

However

On July 07 2015 08:31 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:27 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike, hypothetically, what if someone counterclaimed ritoky? What would you think then?


Do you have an opinion on ritoky independent of any claims?

I don't have a read on him.


Hes probably been the most talked about person for the last.... 5-10 pages maybe? claim and all, you have no opinions but quizzed ls about his?
I wasn't asking to find out about ritoky, I don't really care about ritoky.

I was asking to learn more about LightningStrike.


well i'm asking you for a ritoky read.

Or atleast some form of fleshed out LS read, instead of you just throwing out there i'd lynch him. You relaly didn't even try to find out any information from him though?
Ritoky's a fairly good scum player IMO, and I don't think he's posted enough for me to get a read on him. But I don't really care yet, because I am not lynching him today.

I'm currently working on my LightningStrike read.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2015 23:55 GMT
#1532
On July 07 2015 08:51 Half the Sky wrote:
Going to check the timestamps to see where it came from for myself, although Trfel really needs to explain himself at this point, what changed his read?
Sorry, it's not something I'm going to explain.

And there is much more to my LightningStrike scumread than his latest few posts.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 07 2015 00:04 GMT
#1545
On July 07 2015 09:03 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:43 Trfel wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:36 Trfel wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote:
I don't disagree with lynching LS.

However

On July 07 2015 08:31 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:27 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike, hypothetically, what if someone counterclaimed ritoky? What would you think then?


Do you have an opinion on ritoky independent of any claims?

I don't have a read on him.


Hes probably been the most talked about person for the last.... 5-10 pages maybe? claim and all, you have no opinions but quizzed ls about his?
I wasn't asking to find out about ritoky, I don't really care about ritoky.

I was asking to learn more about LightningStrike.


hts saw the questioning

why are you so blind, hf?


QUESTIONING

QUESTIONING

what in his answers lead to him reversing his earlier stance

why is he asking lightningstrike questions when he had the stance of not wanting to lynch him

none of those are answers
This is actually pretty scummy. Note for later.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 07 2015 00:41 GMT
#1599
LightningStrike
  • Responses to scumreads
    + Show Spoiler +
    On July 06 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 07:28 geript wrote:
    On July 06 2015 07:26 LightningStrike wrote:
    On July 06 2015 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
    ##vote trfel

    Super over explained afk entry excuse post

    You already got a vote on someone like he's scum it not going to be just his entrance it would be for other things as the game goes on...

    Scum #2 I've caught.

    I not what are smoking bro? Weed? Crack?
    When he gets scumread by geript, he just says he's not scum, and then says that something must be impeding geript's ability to read him. He responds to geript's scumread, but without providing any content. He doesn't actually ask geript why he had this scumread, doesn't think about geript's alignment at all, and seemingly assumes that geript is town.

    Furthermore, I'm not used to LightningStrike being this aggressive in his wording.
    On July 06 2015 08:36 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 08:35 Breshke wrote:
    I also really like damdreds read on LS here. The fact that you didn't meta scott straight away makes it more likely you are your lazy scum self LS

    It always feels good sheeping damdred. Choo Choo

    ##Vote Lightningstrike

    I not scum what are you and Damdred smoking? Cocaine? Weed? Alcohol? Jesus Christ you are bad Breshke.
    Again, he's really aggressive about the claim, and assumes that Breshke is town.

    There are more examples, they're all similar.

    Contrast this to other games, for example Himalayas:
    On June 17 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
    So ok claiming town which means ls is scum

    Really because I actually rolled scum so therefore you must be scum!
    + Show Spoiler +
    Jokes man jokes lol
    I've never seen LightningStrike respond to scumreads as aggressively as he has in this game.

  • Changes his play in response to pressure, early townread on Damdred
    + Show Spoiler +
    On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
    If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.

    Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him?

    Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o
    On July 06 2015 07:48 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 07:47 Damdred wrote:
    On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:
    On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
    If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.

    Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him?

    Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o


    Oh? I think I've played with town Scott once. But ls any other thoughts about him?

    Not much to go on him yet.
    This is his first discussion about reading people in this game.

    Damdred responds like this:
    On July 06 2015 07:55 Damdred wrote:
    Maybe I'm expecting to much but you obviously are leaning one way on Scott currently and you have said that you played multiple times with him.

    Usually you would throw that meta and five me a preliminary call now you just lazily tell me you don't have enough. Even if it is super early you do it as town a lot but never as scum.
    And LightningStrike responded like this:
    On July 06 2015 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 08:10 Damdred wrote:
    That might seriously be the laziest I've ever seen ls. It just seems like he's phoning it in.

    I'm like 99% sure ls is scum here

    Fight me I not scum(Seriously though it kinda hard to tell the difference early on but later it's easier to tell the difference from what I had looked).
    If anyone want all his games here they are and correct he rolled town 50% of the time and scum 50% of the time:
    Town:
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?user=scott31337
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?user=scott31337
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=scott31337
    Scum:
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?user=scott31337
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483087-newbie-student-mafia-viii?user=Scott31337
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?user=scott31337
    From what I can tell it's easier to read him later than earlier(Also quick note on the first game I linked he replaced in the night before)
    Which doesn't actually do anything to help his case. "Hey LightningStrike, you're scum because you didn't do this." "Okay, I did it, am I cool now?"
    On July 06 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 08:09 KelsierSC wrote:
    On July 06 2015 08:08 LightningStrike wrote:
    On July 06 2015 08:05 Damdred wrote:
    @ rs maybe your new read should go in the trash the damdred train is going past the ls lynch this day.

    Na her read on me is correct maybe your LS reading machine is overheating from last game thus not working correctly?
    Also on the note about scott: As scum seems to be more obvious as the game progresses I only skimmed some of his filter from his last two town games and I still need more posts from him to determine his alignment by meta.


    do you have any town at this point?

    Damdred even if he's wrong on me I see Town Damdred this game.
    The townread on Damdred feels very out of place. This is the only read he's made to this point in the game. Also, note the wording, he says "if" instead of "though". LightningStrike ought to know that he is town...
    On July 06 2015 11:18 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 11:16 KelsierSC wrote:
    On July 06 2015 11:13 Damdred wrote:
    On July 06 2015 11:06 KelsierSC wrote:
    On July 06 2015 11:04 Damdred wrote:
    On July 06 2015 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:
    On July 06 2015 10:57 Damdred wrote:
    I'm back.

    Kel I don't get it, you really like my points on ls which I feel is really strong and getting stronger by the second.

    But instead you judge me based on the structure of a town read and don't even mention the ls read that you liked? That's kind of strange


    how i like to read you and rsoul is how you read eachother, your town read on her is less developed than usual i cant explain that shit.
    so i liked the ls case, but ls....like i just fucking hate whenever he types so if i ignore all that shit and try to play outside of that id ont like you
    make sens


    I'm not sure I follow 100%.
    example if you don't like a town read that's ok, but you like another read is developed with support you want to discard because you don't like him anyway? So you don't like me.

    that doesn't make sense and you are discarding part of my game play for no real reason it feels uneven and unnecessary coming from you


    im basically not sure i believe your LS read anymore and anything connected to LS is always slightly aids
    so im looking at your rs read and it doesnt feel as good
    im not 100% i just dont like you in my gut i guess
    it dpeends what ls does


    What does it even mean that my RS read didn't feel as good? Not as condensed as assassins where I had to be vs different here and the last game I played in?

    So you are scum reading me (sorta) on style rather than content?

    And you don't think my Ks read is good anymore when he is 100% still going against meta?


    well..it is like this. scott apparently has few games played and LS did explain the read of like "oh you get him later"
    LS is...well like you never know wtf is happening. so i think a few pages its hard to say well fuck yeh he is lazy...it just doesnt feel good...fuck i cant explain that properly
    so i feel like your LS scum is dishonest and your rsoul is town feels like a cheap rsoul is town comparitively


    Damdred is wrong about my alignment and Damdred does normally rsouls alignment correctly but he wrong on my alignment this game but that wont make him scum if he is scum.
    And it continues. He doesn't take any effort to explain this Damdred read at all. And he's so aggressive towards others who scumread him. It feels like he just townread Damdred to appease him.

    When LightningStrike finally gives a reason for townreading Damdred (in his list post), it's because Damdred is putting in effort. Which wasn't the case when LightningStrike first gave his townread of Damdred.

  • Meek tone when asking people for reads
    + Show Spoiler +
    One of LightningStrike's most commonly asked questions to people is "what are your reads, please?"

    On July 06 2015 08:41 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
    hi, i am town. i will be back when relevant information is being posted. bye.

    Drive By Posting seems common this game O_o
    Normally, I would expect LightningStrike to ask a question to ritoky, such as "When you return, please share your reads" or something like that. In the Himalayas game, he asked this question very early on. But here, he just comments. No question, no conclusion, just a comment.

    On July 06 2015 11:49 LightningStrike wrote:
    Also Oats while you at it can you explain your reads on the people you quoted please?
    On July 06 2015 12:30 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 12:29 milo109 wrote:
    Alright you people are boring. I'll be back in the morning.

    When you wake up care to give me your thoughts?
    On July 06 2015 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
    Good morning Tina any thoughts you would like to share?


    Compare this to Assassination Mafia:
    On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:
    @Marv: What are your current reads?
    @Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread?
    On May 14 2015 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On May 14 2015 05:57 Damdred wrote:
    Sorry been afk had a hell of a day. Should cat h up and be productive shortly

    When you are caught up can I have your reads please?
    On May 14 2015 22:47 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On May 14 2015 22:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
    On May 13 2015 09:00 Hapahauli wrote:
    Final Day 1 Vote Count:


    Vivax (8) - BlazingHand, Marvellosity, Xatalos, Half The Sky, KelsierSC, TalkingDead, Justanothertownie, Oatsmaster,
    Xatalos (2) - Vivax, LightningStrike
    Rsoultin (1) - Onegu
    Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend
    Sandroba (2) - Palmar, Batsnacks
    BlazingHand (7) - rsoultin, Sandroba, Yamato77, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Trfel, GlowingBear,

    Just for informational purposes.

    Hello VE thoughts so far on everyone?


    There's a very clear difference in tone between these games.

    On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
    Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.

    Kel is a town lean.

    I'm town, this is a good start

    Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all.
    Here's a counter-example from Himalayas. However, I haven't seen LightningStrike play like this as town before, and it still feels like his tone is more meek in this game than his other town games (even the Himalays quote).

    Furthermore, he's being more aggressive towards people who scumread him this game than in other games. Why is he more aggressive in response to scumreads, but more defensive when asking people for reads? It doesn't make sense.
There is one more reason, possibly the strongest reason. But I need to see what people think about this before I could consider sharing it. And no, I'm not going to say what it is at this time, so don't ask.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 07 2015 00:55 GMT
#1611
On July 07 2015 09:53 ruXxar wrote:
@Trfel

Is something wrong with you? Did something traumatic happen in your life?
You played like a fucking god in our newbie game.
What changed?
My play in this game is different from my play last game.

I was scum last game.

It's your responsibility to arrive at a conclusion.

What do you think about LightningStrike now?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 07 2015 01:01 GMT
#1616
On July 07 2015 10:00 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 09:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 07 2015 09:49 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 07 2015 09:47 ruXxar wrote:
On July 07 2015 09:26 Holyflare wrote:
I've played like 2 games with trfel and both times i've been mafia. He never played this poorly ever. I even complimented him when I was mafia in a newbie game because he thought he played badly and he was playing well. This is below trash tier and I have much more respect for him than this.


Pretty much my thoughts as well, I don't recognize Trfel at all.
And I don't even know what Rsoul is doing, fucking deflection to the max.

Am I the only one seeing HF making sense here? Jesus christ, the man just wanted an answer.

I see HF trying to make sense of the stuff rsoul is just being a douche to him atm which could mean 1 of them is scum based on past experience regarding them.


Who is scummier, though?

Well maybe rsoul but yet HF is known as a good scum player so idk exactly. Who you think is scummier and why?
I think that the fact that rsoultin looks somewhat scummy is actually a good reason for her being town.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 07 2015 01:36 GMT
#1655
On July 07 2015 10:03 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 09:55 Trfel wrote:
On July 07 2015 09:53 ruXxar wrote:
@Trfel

Is something wrong with you? Did something traumatic happen in your life?
You played like a fucking god in our newbie game.
What changed?
My play in this game is different from my play last game.

I was scum last game.

It's your responsibility to arrive at a conclusion.

What do you think about LightningStrike now?


So you're saying you play like trash as town, yet when you were town in HF's game you also played good.
So it doesn't explain anything.

I like LS, I told you that already.
Which Holyflare game are you referring to?

And why aren't you re-evaluating based on what I said? If you disagree, then why?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 07 2015 01:39 GMT
#1657
On July 07 2015 10:21 LightningStrike wrote:
If q.e.d means quit eating dicks I not eating dicks?
LOL XD
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 07 2015 01:44 GMT
#1660
LightningStrike, why did you townread Damdred?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 07 2015 05:21 GMT
#1784
On July 07 2015 10:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 10:44 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike, why did you townread Damdred?

Him casing me so early and pushing town agenda when he was around and actually playing better than he did last game me and him played together.
How is pushing (presumably) town following a town agenda?
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