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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 01:51 GMT
#4487
If you aren't going to contribute anything useful to my discussion please leave.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 02:05 GMT
#4491
On July 10 2015 10:53 milo109 wrote:
What discussion? I agree that rsoultin needs to be considered. By the time we have the next lynch, we will have much more information though.


Yes well I don't like to play with "considering". I specifically want to talk about all her gameplay that she has already done. People flipping mafia won't change that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 02:08 GMT
#4492
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=139#2776

This probably makes one chunk of it easier to read. Her treating of me is extremely strange considering how mafia she thinks I am.

Did you read her case on me today ritoky?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 02:15 GMT
#4494
On July 09 2015 21:47 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 21:10 Harkon wrote:
There is no world where milo is mafia and damdred isn't.

On July 09 2015 21:49 Holyflare wrote:
Well yes there is lol. Damdred rb stacks with mafia rb and milo is mafia but yes quite unlikely.



Her whole mini case is because I'm voting milo over damdred??
On July 10 2015 02:54 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 21:49 Holyflare wrote:
Well yes there is lol. Damdred rb stacks with mafia rb and milo is mafia but yes quite unlikely.


this post

you were still on milo

you'd seen harkon's claim

besides which, hf, i never dropped the scumread on you...i backed off when you actually said something REMOTELY intelligent about your scumread on truffle that could actually make him scum...not hard-pushing you is pure pragmatism, and i still failed at it anyway cause i have a hard time letting bs just sit in thread...personality flaw of mine

also lol @ no reads. it's like you didn't read my post during the night phase or the very one you're criticizing. keep it up ^^


And she's making it based on a hypothetical lol?? Clearly the hypothetical even implies damdred is not likely town anyway.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 02:20 GMT
#4496
I mean. Her whole premise of every scum read seems so like it's clutching at straws.

Her d1 scum read of ruxxar (queen of tone reads scum reading this guy after last game is baaaaaaaaad) is based on the phrasing of one post. Her scum read on me is for nothing that I even can comprehend because she keeps pushing useless stuff like it means something??

And

That

Is

All
Her

Scum reads

Lolololol
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 02:21 GMT
#4497
On July 10 2015 11:17 ritoky wrote:
Alright so your scum read is from her being wrong on you and making her arguments up, her having sudden tonal shifts that make no sense (screaming 1 second then entertaining your thoughts as town the next), and her arguing for the sake of arguing rather than for a point.

I know it is a drastic over-simplification but is that the jist of the case?


Yup. Not just scum reads on me though. Scum read on ruxxar is impossible after last game. There is no way she can think he's mafia. That's pretty much it yeh.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 03:05 GMT
#4505
On July 10 2015 12:02 milo109 wrote:
rsoul Sigh. Town. Hate myself
Breshke Sigh. Town
kelsier Sigh. Town
waveofshadow mafialean
vivax mafialean
boxer Mafia
trfel town


So rsoul is in your mafia list day 1
Rsoul afk's all day 2 and presents a wifom bomb post and afk's more and you are sigh town??
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 11:28 GMT
#4611
On July 10 2015 12:12 ritoky wrote:
@HF: your vote is not on damdred last i checked, why? are you considering if he could be town making some derp plays or is it more to do with milo being more mafia?


Because there's already a majority and it's irrelevant
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 11:43 GMT
#4612
On July 10 2015 14:17 Breshke wrote:
And i thought HF and rsoultin shitfights were tedious . HF arguing with milo who is confirmed scum/getting lynched anyway probably tops it.

Anything important last 10 pages?


Milo isn't confirmed scum
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 11:55 GMT
#4615
If all of you people are going to say my push on rsoultin is shit while simultaneously saying her play is sub par and wonder why i keep copy and pasting the case WHILE STILL NOBODY BUT RITOKY SAYS A WORD ABOUT IT
Then I'm seriously not going to give a crap and will just treat her as confirmed town no matter what anyone says ever.

You don't even look at her filter while spewing nonsense jat it's so tedious.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 12:15 GMT
#4618
Fine fine. It just annoys me when nobody says a word to me and then calls me mafia anyway. Can see my mislynch being set up forever.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 12:55 GMT
#4631
On July 10 2015 21:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 21:03 marvellosity wrote:
On July 10 2015 20:55 Holyflare wrote:
If all of you people are going to say my push on rsoultin is shit while simultaneously saying her play is sub par and wonder why i keep copy and pasting the case WHILE STILL NOBODY BUT RITOKY SAYS A WORD ABOUT IT
Then I'm seriously not going to give a crap and will just treat her as confirmed town no matter what anyone says ever.

You don't even look at her filter while spewing nonsense jat it's so tedious.

look, i'll listen when i need to listen.

just every time you're in the thread, the thread goes all angry, and i'm generally in a fairly docile state of mind lately and i don't want to have to wade through the anger to get to the nub of it.

i imagine we'll both be alive d3, and possibly d4 too, so yea.


This mimics my thoughts completely.

HF, every time you go "waah no one pays attention to me and rsoultin is scum and waaaaaaah" the thread does dumb things for like 10 pages and the fact that you've repeated this cycle a good five times is ridiculous to me.

Like we get it, you think rsoultin is scum. I've spent a lot of energy on other things today and I'm not lynching rsoultin d2 or d3 soooooo. Your posts won't get deleted, I can come back to them.

What I'm wondering is if you could keep this up at scum, just constantly be the bitchy moany type. Honestly I've just been glancing over you and rsoultin. But at least you have thoughts about actual current affairs while rsoultin seems locked in the past and has no thoughts about the goings on. She keeps talking about her read on trfel for whatever reason and it's just all blah.

How about every time you wanna post about rsoultin you do it in a notepad and tomorrow or whenever you can regurgitate the entire thing in one post, yes?


Look. I don't care if you're doing any other thing. There's nothing else to do today but vote damdred. The least people can do is try and find more mafia. I know I'm moaning but that's genuinely because I have good reasons to scum read someone and you say I'm wasting 10 pages but it literally takes up 1 post to requote my case. Ritoky has talked about it and summed it up pretty nicely. You say you agree with marv but that's literally what I've been saying this entire time. How can someone that is so egotistical and loves how all her reads are always right have me as mafia and instantly drop it when marv says he had an 80% town read and she says her scum read is better and how on earth can anyone scum read ruxxar.

Maybe it's because you didn't read himalayas but he's very very different. How long has she had those scum reads? The entire game. It doesn't fit with an rsoultin that badgers people constantly to find stuff out and get her way. Even though she says afk excuses she wasn't afk day 1 and that is when her play was entirely mediocre.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 13:10 GMT
#4637
Oh god she's here.....

Your scum read on ruxxar was based on the wording of his one post which I told yoh was bad. It didn't make sense at all. You still kept bringing it up. Now it's changed to "being a hf parrot" but he isn't at all he actually took his time to go back and rethink through the whole situation. It was very good.

It makes perfect sense since im accusing you of the exact same thing. You aren't similar at all, like my summary says.

Either way if you're going to be around I'll leave the thread. Cya.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 13:14 GMT
#4641
like, i do not get how you can think like this as town, or how you can say lolol you mafia, not gonna reconsider ever, concede bitch to truffle and then call that questioning him -_-


I mean i think everyone in this game knows i make fake cases or fake pressure on people at the start of the game to get reactions and make them do things. It's not exactly strange and i did already explain this and you agreed and now you bring it up again.

Anyway. Last Post :p
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 15:03 GMT
#4703
On July 10 2015 23:55 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 23:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 11:24 milo109 wrote:
It's harder to read Damdred when you aren't mafia. I'm gonna call him mafia here though.


Milo went from calling Kelsier scum immediately after Kelsier said Damdred is scum, to scumreading damdred when there was no longer pressure on him, without reasons.


This is pretty much the simular thing that went down in Holy Guardians he was hard defending the scummy townies in Chocolate and Templar who both eventually got mislynched because they were legitimately playing scummy. No one picked up on it that game. TMI is the pattern here.


So why did you ignore the question when i was asking about milo defending trfel? :s

I mean like... You never even acknowledged it and you're telling me you knew this all along and didn't say anything about it when it's his mafia meta to do exactly what i was saying? :s:s
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 15:13 GMT
#4709
OK now that all the annoying people are out of the thread can someone talk to me about trfel, specifically his case on me when he returned at deadline on day 1:

On July 08 2015 05:17 Trfel wrote:
I need to leave soon, and I haven't caught up in the thread.

I see that milo109 claimed two-shot cop, and Holyflare claimed vigilante.

If it's between milo109 and ritoky, I think I lynch ritoky.

I don't want to lynch Half the Sky, but I also don't know why people are scumreading her?

Anyway, (very) short version of why Holyflare is scum:

Someone once said that Holyflare gets mad as town, but not as scum. This isn't really true, but Holyflare's tone seems to be a fairly good way of reading him.

For example, in Linux Mafia, Holyflare was mad at most people in the game and towards the end of Day 1 started throwing suspicion more wildly at everyone. His anger didn't really have justification. Contrast with Guardians of the Galaxy, where Holyflare and Alakaslam scumread each other early on. Despite Alakaslam being somewhat scummy (he always is, to some extent), Holyflare eventually agreed that Alakaslam could be town, despite objectively having little reason for it. And he didn't let his anger get in the way of scumhunting.

Here, Holyflare's felt way too angry, way too often. One example of this is that he was angry at me. If Holyflare is very confident that I am scum, he should be happy at having caught me, not angry at me for doing scummy things. It makes sense for him to be angry at townies who don't want to lynch me. However, Holyflare's posting didn't at all seem interested in showing people why I am mafia, but instead focused on pointless arguing with me. Holyflare knows when an argument isn't going anywhere, especially when it's with one of his scumreads. Holyflare has no problem filling the thread with nonsense and arguing with no goal in mind.


Does this post align with what's happened this game? His comparisons are just based on anger but when he includes gameplay (such as guardians of the galaxy) he says i'm angry but i drop things despite objectively having no reason to. Yet, he should be able to see if he was reading the thread that i've done that several times (especially on him??) which should fit with stuff that he thinks is my town meta.

Furthermore, it seems like his post doesn't even realise that I wasn't scum reading him anymore since it states stuff like "if he's so sure why is he treating me this way" but doesn't acknowledge that I'm not actually reading him that way any more.

+ Show Spoiler +
I don't even know what i'm concluding from this but i'd like to know if he was actually caught up when writing this post because if he has this is pretty scummy.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 15:15 GMT
#4712
On July 11 2015 00:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 23:55 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 10 2015 23:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 11:24 milo109 wrote:
It's harder to read Damdred when you aren't mafia. I'm gonna call him mafia here though.


Milo went from calling Kelsier scum immediately after Kelsier said Damdred is scum, to scumreading damdred when there was no longer pressure on him, without reasons.


This is pretty much the simular thing that went down in Holy Guardians he was hard defending the scummy townies in Chocolate and Templar who both eventually got mislynched because they were legitimately playing scummy. No one picked up on it that game. TMI is the pattern here.


So why did you ignore the question when i was asking about milo defending trfel? :s

I mean like... You never even acknowledged it and you're telling me you knew this all along and didn't say anything about it when it's his mafia meta to do exactly what i was saying? :s:s


I could be wrong but may have been the time I had you on ignore. I had been scum reading milo for other reasons anyhow through d1.


you are a mean person
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 15:25 GMT
#4718
On July 11 2015 00:24 milo109 wrote:
Fine. I'll vote for myself on the condition that if I flip two-shot cop, you lynch HF and if he flips red you lynch boxer.


uhh huh?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 15:33 GMT
#4729
On July 11 2015 00:25 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 00:13 Holyflare wrote:
OK now that all the annoying people are out of the thread can someone talk to me about trfel, specifically his case on me when he returned at deadline on day 1:

On July 08 2015 05:17 Trfel wrote:
I need to leave soon, and I haven't caught up in the thread.

I see that milo109 claimed two-shot cop, and Holyflare claimed vigilante.

If it's between milo109 and ritoky, I think I lynch ritoky.

I don't want to lynch Half the Sky, but I also don't know why people are scumreading her?

Anyway, (very) short version of why Holyflare is scum:

Someone once said that Holyflare gets mad as town, but not as scum. This isn't really true, but Holyflare's tone seems to be a fairly good way of reading him.

For example, in Linux Mafia, Holyflare was mad at most people in the game and towards the end of Day 1 started throwing suspicion more wildly at everyone. His anger didn't really have justification. Contrast with Guardians of the Galaxy, where Holyflare and Alakaslam scumread each other early on. Despite Alakaslam being somewhat scummy (he always is, to some extent), Holyflare eventually agreed that Alakaslam could be town, despite objectively having little reason for it. And he didn't let his anger get in the way of scumhunting.

Here, Holyflare's felt way too angry, way too often. One example of this is that he was angry at me. If Holyflare is very confident that I am scum, he should be happy at having caught me, not angry at me for doing scummy things. It makes sense for him to be angry at townies who don't want to lynch me. However, Holyflare's posting didn't at all seem interested in showing people why I am mafia, but instead focused on pointless arguing with me. Holyflare knows when an argument isn't going anywhere, especially when it's with one of his scumreads. Holyflare has no problem filling the thread with nonsense and arguing with no goal in mind.


Does this post align with what's happened this game? His comparisons are just based on anger but when he includes gameplay (such as guardians of the galaxy) he says i'm angry but i drop things despite objectively having no reason to. Yet, he should be able to see if he was reading the thread that i've done that several times (especially on him??) which should fit with stuff that he thinks is my town meta.

Furthermore, it seems like his post doesn't even realise that I wasn't scum reading him anymore since it states stuff like "if he's so sure why is he treating me this way" but doesn't acknowledge that I'm not actually reading him that way any more.

+ Show Spoiler +
I don't even know what i'm concluding from this but i'd like to know if he was actually caught up when writing this post because if he has this is pretty scummy.

You backing off in the end doesn't invalidate his point though. Trfel is no beacon of townyness but this is still easily his best post.


Yes it does. It fits exactly with what he calls me town for. Being angry just means nothing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 16:13 GMT
#4755
On July 11 2015 01:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Mainly HF being mad at rsoultin over points about Tfrel early on about the way Tfrel acts and how rsoultin came to a different conclusion about Tfrel than him and they kept arguing about for a good portion of Day 1 and the Night Phase. She right on one thing about HF: He been mainly sniping at Tfrel.


I'm sorry what? How have I just been sniping at trfel? I brought up legitimate points against him multiple times.
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