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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 09 2015 10:56 GMT
#3921
Unless you believe in a 2 mafia RB world, then the pieces fit really well with damdred / milo mafia.
Milo even seemed prepared with a plan to get clarity lynched.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 09 2015 10:58 GMT
#3922
The thing I don't understand though, Is that if he pursued his clarity lynch and he flipped green, then milo would be outed the next day.
So it's a terrible play from mafia perspective to claim a red check on a townie.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 09 2015 10:59 GMT
#3923
Idk ruxor, he probably did not expect this clarity thing to fly because he could never justify not being roleblocked.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 09 2015 10:59 GMT
#3924
On July 09 2015 19:50 marvellosity wrote:
the problem for damdred (and milo) is that it just makes a lot of sense for mafia not to kill into the cop claims, rb the one that is legit and hope for mass confusion the next day. that seems like the correct play from mafia PoV.


I don't get this. Why shoot Harkon over either the "second cop" or you, if there are two cops?

On July 09 2015 19:16 Harkon wrote:
How likely is it that claimed the fucking JK over mafia anyways? JK is literally the only role damdred could have possibly ckaimed



This post makes no sense. His claim makes sense as both town and scum so it must be scum?

I mean whatever I believe your vet claim I think. That said it's not impossible for scum to have shot marv and now use that opportunity to claim vet but I don't think it would be Harkon as you've generally been read town by everyone.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 09 2015 11:00 GMT
#3925
There is literally no benefit for me to claim vet as mafia. 0.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 09 2015 11:01 GMT
#3926
On July 09 2015 19:58 ruXxar wrote:
The thing I don't understand though, Is that if he pursued his clarity lynch and he flipped green, then milo would be outed the next day.
So it's a terrible play from mafia perspective to claim a red check on a townie.


Nah he was obviously gonna withdraw the statement. It's just that it would never have accomplish anything if he were town. As scum however he can twist it into "Lol Clarity's reaction so fake", however then the JK claim happens and he just kinda goes "the reactions don't matter now because.... reasons"
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2015 11:01 GMT
#3927
On July 09 2015 19:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 19:50 marvellosity wrote:
the problem for damdred (and milo) is that it just makes a lot of sense for mafia not to kill into the cop claims, rb the one that is legit and hope for mass confusion the next day. that seems like the correct play from mafia PoV.


I don't get this. Why shoot Harkon over either the "second cop" or you, if there are two cops?

see bolded

obviously hitting me is/was a bad idea.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 09 2015 11:02 GMT
#3928
Like if milo is mafia wanting to appear as a believable cop, then the play that gives him the best chance of survival is absolutely to claim a fake green check on someone.
Instead he makes the suboptimal play of claiming a red check, then rescinding.
I can't really make that fit in a milo mafia world.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2015 11:03 GMT
#3929
On July 09 2015 20:02 ruXxar wrote:
Like if milo is mafia wanting to appear as a believable cop, then the play that gives him the best chance of survival is absolutely to claim a fake green check on someone.
Instead he makes the suboptimal play of claiming a red check, then rescinding.
I can't really make that fit in a milo mafia world.

bolded and italics are two different things
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 09 2015 11:04 GMT
#3930
The fact that I softed being an investigative role all game might have helped them in their KP choice although that's just speculation.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 09 2015 11:04 GMT
#3931
On July 09 2015 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 19:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 09 2015 19:50 marvellosity wrote:
the problem for damdred (and milo) is that it just makes a lot of sense for mafia not to kill into the cop claims, rb the one that is legit and hope for mass confusion the next day. that seems like the correct play from mafia PoV.


I don't get this. Why shoot Harkon over either the "second cop" or you, if there are two cops?

see bolded

obviously hitting me is/was a bad idea.


I mean maybe I'm just bad but that's something that can easily backfire. I think ritoky with a red check on say... Vivax would have been able to pull town around.

Like when milo claimed a red check on me HF immediately went "always killing clarity first here always"
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2015 11:05 GMT
#3932
On July 09 2015 20:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
On July 09 2015 19:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 09 2015 19:50 marvellosity wrote:
the problem for damdred (and milo) is that it just makes a lot of sense for mafia not to kill into the cop claims, rb the one that is legit and hope for mass confusion the next day. that seems like the correct play from mafia PoV.


I don't get this. Why shoot Harkon over either the "second cop" or you, if there are two cops?

see bolded

obviously hitting me is/was a bad idea.


I mean maybe I'm just bad but that's something that can easily backfire. I think ritoky with a red check on say... Vivax would have been able to pull town around.

Like when milo claimed a red check on me HF immediately went "always killing clarity first here always"

i don't quite understand what you're saying
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 09 2015 11:07 GMT
#3933
On July 09 2015 20:05 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 20:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 09 2015 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
On July 09 2015 19:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 09 2015 19:50 marvellosity wrote:
the problem for damdred (and milo) is that it just makes a lot of sense for mafia not to kill into the cop claims, rb the one that is legit and hope for mass confusion the next day. that seems like the correct play from mafia PoV.


I don't get this. Why shoot Harkon over either the "second cop" or you, if there are two cops?

see bolded

obviously hitting me is/was a bad idea.


I mean maybe I'm just bad but that's something that can easily backfire. I think ritoky with a red check on say... Vivax would have been able to pull town around.

Like when milo claimed a red check on me HF immediately went "always killing clarity first here always"

i don't quite understand what you're saying


I think I would never agree to letting a cop get a check off as scum if both cops were known.. to "cause confusion". Seems super convoluted to me.

Like what town medic is gonna guess between ritoky/milo and protect one?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2015 11:08 GMT
#3934
On July 09 2015 20:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 20:05 marvellosity wrote:
On July 09 2015 20:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 09 2015 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
On July 09 2015 19:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 09 2015 19:50 marvellosity wrote:
the problem for damdred (and milo) is that it just makes a lot of sense for mafia not to kill into the cop claims, rb the one that is legit and hope for mass confusion the next day. that seems like the correct play from mafia PoV.


I don't get this. Why shoot Harkon over either the "second cop" or you, if there are two cops?

see bolded

obviously hitting me is/was a bad idea.


I mean maybe I'm just bad but that's something that can easily backfire. I think ritoky with a red check on say... Vivax would have been able to pull town around.

Like when milo claimed a red check on me HF immediately went "always killing clarity first here always"

i don't quite understand what you're saying


I think I would never agree to letting a cop get a check off as scum if both cops were known.. to "cause confusion". Seems super convoluted to me.

Like what town medic is gonna guess between ritoky/milo and protect one?

but the point is only one of them is a real cop and they rbed him, so there is no check
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 09 2015 11:08 GMT
#3935
On July 09 2015 20:03 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 20:02 ruXxar wrote:
Like if milo is mafia wanting to appear as a believable cop, then the play that gives him the best chance of survival is absolutely to claim a fake green check on someone.
Instead he makes the suboptimal play of claiming a red check, then rescinding.
I can't really make that fit in a milo mafia world.

bolded and italics are two different things


What are you trying to say?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 09 2015 11:08 GMT
#3936
There are 2 worlds:

1) Town damdred decided to make the worst play of his life AND got tracked by geript by pure chance.
2) Mafia damdred got tracked by geript and fakeclaimed the only thing he could fakeclaim once he got outed.

Occam's razor please.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 09 2015 11:09 GMT
#3937
No I think there has to be scum between ritoky/milo and because there's no missing KP that means milo is scum unless we're living in bizzaro world of scum having two roleblocks and used them on both cops.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2015 11:10 GMT
#3938
On July 09 2015 20:08 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 20:03 marvellosity wrote:
On July 09 2015 20:02 ruXxar wrote:
Like if milo is mafia wanting to appear as a believable cop, then the play that gives him the best chance of survival is absolutely to claim a fake green check on someone.
Instead he makes the suboptimal play of claiming a red check, then rescinding.
I can't really make that fit in a milo mafia world.

bolded and italics are two different things


What are you trying to say?

wanting to appear believable = a red check more so than an easy-to-make green check. if he wants to appear believable, claim a red.

if i assume milo is mafia, then the scumteam mentality is that milo is dead in the water, and it's just how much time he can buy before he goes under. the goal for milo is not to survive indefinitely.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2015 11:11 GMT
#3939
like if milo can take down a townie before he goes down, then that's a good result.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 09 2015 11:11 GMT
#3940
On July 09 2015 20:10 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 20:08 ruXxar wrote:
On July 09 2015 20:03 marvellosity wrote:
On July 09 2015 20:02 ruXxar wrote:
Like if milo is mafia wanting to appear as a believable cop, then the play that gives him the best chance of survival is absolutely to claim a fake green check on someone.
Instead he makes the suboptimal play of claiming a red check, then rescinding.
I can't really make that fit in a milo mafia world.

bolded and italics are two different things


What are you trying to say?

wanting to appear believable = a red check more so than an easy-to-make green check. if he wants to appear believable, claim a red.

if i assume milo is mafia, then the scumteam mentality is that milo is dead in the water, and it's just how much time he can buy before he goes under. the goal for milo is not to survive indefinitely.

^^^^
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