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You're basically expecting her to play exactly the way you would want town to play.
That argument has never worked in the history of ever.
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On July 08 2015 13:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 13:41 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 13:28 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 13:22 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.
HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.
The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.
Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.
Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction? go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims i've answered all your leading questions already i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information? lol >< I read your interaction just fine. Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something. 1st interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia" RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure" HF: "I don't need your opinion RS" RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!". HF: "I don't need you go away". Mod: Interrupts. 2nd interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner" RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel" HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning) RS: "You were trying to shit on me!" HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information" RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else" (topic changed) 3rd interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why". RS: "HF, you can't read!" RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!" HF: "How is that not reading?" RS: "Trfel already explained it!" HF: "Explained it how?" RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?" HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?" RS: "You are stupid HF!" (Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed) It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view. Once again you're derailing. I'm not going away anytime soon. just because you paraphrase it this way doesn't make it correct ^^ why don't you talk to me about your other reads instead of trying to convince me i'm scum? you're clearly not attempting to determine my alignment at all with the bias-laden wording in your posts If it's incorrect then you should correct it. If you don't I'll assume its correct. I went through all the posts and wrote down my interpretation of them. I don't need to convince you that you're scum, I'm trying to convince everyone else. What bias? This is my interpretation of the events. I encourage everyone that don't believe me to go read for themselves and make up their own mind. lol you're never lynching me off a faulty paraphrase, pup, and i don't feel the need to "correct" what is clearly visible just reading the posts i asked you what other reads you had an exercise! \o/ you treat me like you're reading me town and i'll treat you like i'm reading you town, even if i don't much believe it...this tunnel of yours is at best wrong and at worst scummy, so give me something else to read you off if you're actually town This is the incorrect response as town. A town person would want to project town by proving that their actions benefits town. Since you are unwilling to do that, i can only assume that you can't prove that you had town motives behind your actions. This argument is bad.
Why?
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On July 08 2015 13:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
You're basically expecting her to play exactly the way you would want town to play.
That argument has never worked in the history of ever.
She's denying the fact that she derailed the questioning of trfel multiple times.
I showed her evidence.
She refused to look at the evidence and just called it wrong without correcting it.
It's pretty simple really.
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On July 08 2015 13:43 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 13:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 08 2015 13:41 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 13:28 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 13:22 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.
HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.
The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.
Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.
Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction? go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims i've answered all your leading questions already i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information? lol >< I read your interaction just fine. Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something. 1st interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia" RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure" HF: "I don't need your opinion RS" RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!". HF: "I don't need you go away". Mod: Interrupts. 2nd interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner" RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel" HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning) RS: "You were trying to shit on me!" HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information" RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else" (topic changed) 3rd interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why". RS: "HF, you can't read!" RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!" HF: "How is that not reading?" RS: "Trfel already explained it!" HF: "Explained it how?" RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?" HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?" RS: "You are stupid HF!" (Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed) It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view. Once again you're derailing. I'm not going away anytime soon. just because you paraphrase it this way doesn't make it correct ^^ why don't you talk to me about your other reads instead of trying to convince me i'm scum? you're clearly not attempting to determine my alignment at all with the bias-laden wording in your posts If it's incorrect then you should correct it. If you don't I'll assume its correct. I went through all the posts and wrote down my interpretation of them. I don't need to convince you that you're scum, I'm trying to convince everyone else. What bias? This is my interpretation of the events. I encourage everyone that don't believe me to go read for themselves and make up their own mind. lol you're never lynching me off a faulty paraphrase, pup, and i don't feel the need to "correct" what is clearly visible just reading the posts i asked you what other reads you had an exercise! \o/ you treat me like you're reading me town and i'll treat you like i'm reading you town, even if i don't much believe it...this tunnel of yours is at best wrong and at worst scummy, so give me something else to read you off if you're actually town This is the incorrect response as town. A town person would want to project town by proving that their actions benefits town. Since you are unwilling to do that, i can only assume that you can't prove that you had town motives behind your actions. This argument is bad. Why?
I just explained it.
Summarize your case for me and I'll tell you why I don't like it. I know it's here somewhere but I lost in in all of the nonsense fights she started probably.
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On July 08 2015 13:46 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 13:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
You're basically expecting her to play exactly the way you would want town to play.
That argument has never worked in the history of ever. She's denying the fact that she derailed the questioning of trfel multiple times. I showed her evidence. She refused to look at the evidence and just called it wrong without correcting it. It's pretty simple really.
Except that's not really a case though. It's just a list of things that she did.
Rso can be illogical as town and her fight with Hf is no exception to that heuristic.
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This thread derailing shit people keep talking about isnt actually a thing.
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@obi
If you read her response to post 1, you can see that she dodges my questions by discrediting my post saying "my facts don't check out"
Well when I bring her the facts in post 2 she still evades the topic, and again discredits my post by simply calling it "wrong".
I still want an answer from her to my questions in post 1, now that I've brought her the facts.
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Okay, but, like, whatever though.
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On July 08 2015 13:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
This thread derailing shit people keep talking about isnt actually a thing.
Why not?
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On July 08 2015 14:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Okay, but, like, whatever though.
That's all you got?
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I know what you're saying.
I don't think what you're saying is inherently incorrect. I understand the point of what you're bringing up - you think rso is scum derailing the thread and doesn't have a rebuttal to what you're bringing up.
The point is that I don't think scum!rso makes a big poopy in the middle of the thread for everyone to see. I don't see how her tirade on white-knighting Trfel is inherently scum-motivated because there's no scum end-goal to her actions - it's just a giant sloppy mess that I don't think she would go through the trouble of perpetrating unless there was something in it for her as scum.
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On July 08 2015 14:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I know what you're saying.
I don't think what you're saying is inherently incorrect. I understand the point of what you're bringing up - you think rso is scum derailing the thread and doesn't have a rebuttal to what you're bringing up.
The point is that I don't think scum!rso makes a big poopy in the middle of the thread for everyone to see. I don't see how her tirade on white-knighting Trfel is inherently scum-motivated because there's no scum end-goal to her actions - it's just a giant sloppy mess that I don't think she would go through the trouble of perpetrating unless there was something in it for her as scum.
That's exactly the point, *we won't know why unless she answers the question of why she did it*.
In what world does a town person not want to explain their actions?
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On July 08 2015 14:09 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 14:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I know what you're saying.
I don't think what you're saying is inherently incorrect. I understand the point of what you're bringing up - you think rso is scum derailing the thread and doesn't have a rebuttal to what you're bringing up.
The point is that I don't think scum!rso makes a big poopy in the middle of the thread for everyone to see. I don't see how her tirade on white-knighting Trfel is inherently scum-motivated because there's no scum end-goal to her actions - it's just a giant sloppy mess that I don't think she would go through the trouble of perpetrating unless there was something in it for her as scum. That's exactly the point, *we won't know why unless she answers the question of why she did it*. In what world does a town person not want to explain their actions?
Because she read trfel as town and HF as scum and she thought HF was trying to misrepresent trfel to bury him.
Look im doing it aswell now
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On July 08 2015 14:12 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 14:09 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 14:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I know what you're saying.
I don't think what you're saying is inherently incorrect. I understand the point of what you're bringing up - you think rso is scum derailing the thread and doesn't have a rebuttal to what you're bringing up.
The point is that I don't think scum!rso makes a big poopy in the middle of the thread for everyone to see. I don't see how her tirade on white-knighting Trfel is inherently scum-motivated because there's no scum end-goal to her actions - it's just a giant sloppy mess that I don't think she would go through the trouble of perpetrating unless there was something in it for her as scum. That's exactly the point, *we won't know why unless she answers the question of why she did it*. In what world does a town person not want to explain their actions? Because she read trfel as town and HF as scum and she thought HF was trying to misrepresent trfel to bury him. Look im doing it aswell now
I want you to look deeper than that.
Not just at what she did, but how she responds when she's questioned about it.
Does that look like a natural towny response to you?
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On July 08 2015 14:09 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 14:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I know what you're saying.
I don't think what you're saying is inherently incorrect. I understand the point of what you're bringing up - you think rso is scum derailing the thread and doesn't have a rebuttal to what you're bringing up.
The point is that I don't think scum!rso makes a big poopy in the middle of the thread for everyone to see. I don't see how her tirade on white-knighting Trfel is inherently scum-motivated because there's no scum end-goal to her actions - it's just a giant sloppy mess that I don't think she would go through the trouble of perpetrating unless there was something in it for her as scum. That's exactly the point, *we won't know why unless she answers the question of why she did it*. In what world does a town person not want to explain their actions?
Plenty of worlds, like the ones where they think the answer is obvious or don't feel like getting dunked with 50 billion questions.
But that's not the point I'm making anyway because her actions don't have an underlying motivation to them.
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Ruxx, talk to me about someone else for now.
Talk to me about clarity or EBH.
Even if rso is mafia she isn't getting lynched tomorrow just by virtue of her being active so surely you have other scumreads/alternatives you want to explore.
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On July 08 2015 14:15 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 14:12 Breshke wrote:On July 08 2015 14:09 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 14:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I know what you're saying.
I don't think what you're saying is inherently incorrect. I understand the point of what you're bringing up - you think rso is scum derailing the thread and doesn't have a rebuttal to what you're bringing up.
The point is that I don't think scum!rso makes a big poopy in the middle of the thread for everyone to see. I don't see how her tirade on white-knighting Trfel is inherently scum-motivated because there's no scum end-goal to her actions - it's just a giant sloppy mess that I don't think she would go through the trouble of perpetrating unless there was something in it for her as scum. That's exactly the point, *we won't know why unless she answers the question of why she did it*. In what world does a town person not want to explain their actions? Because she read trfel as town and HF as scum and she thought HF was trying to misrepresent trfel to bury him. Look im doing it aswell now I want you to look deeper than that. Not just at what she did, but how she responds when she's questioned about it. Does that look like a natural towny response to you?
What is a "natural townie response"? If i could explain it soe asily you dont think she could have made up some bullshit as mafia? Explain to me how it is mafia indicative to be stubborn thats what she was being. In your perfect world of how people are ment to act wouldn't the mafia be more likely to try and explain this because they want approval from town?
The logic can be used both ways
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On July 08 2015 14:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Ruxx, talk to me about someone else for now.
Talk to me about clarity or EBH.
Even if rso is mafia she isn't getting lynched tomorrow just by virtue of her being active so surely you have other scumreads/alternatives you want to explore.
Clarity was one of my top scum reads early on.
I dropped his vote due to a personal theory of mine that I'd rather not share.
I'm going to re-evaluate him tomorrow.
Ebh I also haven't been tracking since his opening post.
Didn't care for his blue hunting obviously, but didn't strike me as particularly scummy outside of that.
I haven't been keeping up on everyone today a lot of noise towards the lynch.
I'll be reevaluating people throughout the night now that things slowed done a bit.
I'll give you my updated reads on them tomorrow and other people I find noteworthy tomorrow.
Going to bed for now, good night 
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