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basically, your theory is possible but not the most likely
it's probably best just to hold mz to actually playing this game -shrugs- and read him from there
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On July 08 2015 12:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 12:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
MZ not getting lynched pretty much means hes mafia tbh.
Shut up.
You are telling me an inactive townie managed to convince the whole town to lynch someone else?
Get outta here.
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On July 08 2015 06:41 Clarity_nl wrote:I'll switch and I'll switch back if it doesn't happen. At least MZ is likely going to talk day 2 whereas BM I expect he will not. I thought the /confirm thing made MZ mafia but as pointed out that was 6 days before game start. ##Vote Bill Murray
lol wtf thats the worst argument in existence, you didnt even bother to check when he actually confirmed.
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On July 08 2015 12:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 12:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 08 2015 12:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
MZ not getting lynched pretty much means hes mafia tbh.
Shut up. You are telling me an inactive townie managed to convince the whole town to lynch someone else? Get outta here.
And its not even like MZ posted anything mindblowing, you guys took all the pressure off of him.
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I have literally 0 interest in even discussing MZ anymore.
I don't care. You can resolve it amongst yourselves.
Clarity is mafia. Discuss.
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I am confused as to why we lynched an easily confirmable role that had already claimed but I digress. I will share additional thoughts shortly.
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On July 08 2015 13:02 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I am confused as to why we lynched an easily confirmable role that had already claimed but I digress. I will share additional thoughts shortly.
^ this doesn't make sense
how is wanderer an easily confirmable role?
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On July 08 2015 13:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I have literally 0 interest in even discussing MZ anymore.
I don't care. You can resolve it amongst yourselves.
Clarity is mafia. Discuss.
oh yeah totes.
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On July 08 2015 13:02 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I am confused as to why we lynched an easily confirmable role that had already claimed but I digress. I will share additional thoughts shortly.
So whats the difference between wanderer and scum carrying kp, or a scum doing other stuff?
Also we might not even have a tracker?
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On July 08 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.
HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.
The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.
Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.
Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction? go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims i've answered all your leading questions already i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information? lol >< I read your interaction just fine. Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something. 1st interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia" RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure" HF: "I don't need your opinion RS" RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!". HF: "I don't need you go away". Mod: Interrupts. 2nd interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner" RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel" HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning) RS: "You were trying to shit on me!" HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information" RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else" (topic changed) 3rd interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why". RS: "HF, you can't read!" RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!" HF: "How is that not reading?" RS: "Trfel already explained it!" HF: "Explained it how?" RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?" HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?" RS: "You are stupid HF!" (Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed) It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view. Once again you're derailing. I'm not going away anytime soon. just because you paraphrase it this way doesn't make it correct ^^ why don't you talk to me about your other reads instead of trying to convince me i'm scum? you're clearly not attempting to determine my alignment at all with the bias-laden wording in your posts
If it's incorrect then you should correct it.
If you don't I'll assume its correct.
I went through all the posts and wrote down my interpretation of them.
I don't need to convince you that you're scum, I'm trying to convince everyone else.
What bias?
This is my interpretation of the events.
I encourage everyone that don't believe me to go read for themselves and make up their own mind.
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Rso is not mafia go do something else ruxxar.
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On July 08 2015 13:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso is not mafia go do something else ruxxar.
Why not?
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Additional townreads
Oatsmaster - Going to go ahead and say that it is likely that oatsmaster is town. He is already up to a 10 page filter and I don't remember him ever being able to accomplish anything near that as scum, where he is more reserved usually. I mean his only games on record with double digit filters as mafia are 5+ days so I highly doubt he is mafia here based on that alone.
If that isn't convincing, then looking at the way he is approaching the game should be. I think he has called at least half of the game scum by now and seems very paranoid at the slightest post. Hard to fake as town and you'll see he is much more selective and careful of his scumreads in his scum games. He isn't afraid here to be loud and annoying which ironically gets him mislynched a lot as town so the jury is out on whether that playstyle is beneficial or not...
Harkon - Not as sure on this one given I have nothing to go by but his gameflow is very good. He is looking out for town's best interest and is keeping in mind the parameters of the game for a town win. Knowing what to do in a majority lynch game and getting people on track even if it doesn't align with your reads is + town points. I also cannot find anything suspicious in his filter like a series of events that doesnt make sense or a place he contradicts himself, his voting pattern and posts check out with what he has said this game.
Additional Scum Reads
None at this time.
As an aside, boxerfred's 6 or so anger posts in a row (before the flip even happened) are concerning. Seems super fake given how spaced out they are time wise and dont add anything of value, just very suspicious complaining really.
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On July 08 2015 13:22 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.
HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.
The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.
Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.
Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction? go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims i've answered all your leading questions already i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information? lol >< I read your interaction just fine. Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something. 1st interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia" RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure" HF: "I don't need your opinion RS" RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!". HF: "I don't need you go away". Mod: Interrupts. 2nd interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner" RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel" HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning) RS: "You were trying to shit on me!" HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information" RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else" (topic changed) 3rd interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why". RS: "HF, you can't read!" RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!" HF: "How is that not reading?" RS: "Trfel already explained it!" HF: "Explained it how?" RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?" HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?" RS: "You are stupid HF!" (Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed) It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view. Once again you're derailing. I'm not going away anytime soon. just because you paraphrase it this way doesn't make it correct ^^ why don't you talk to me about your other reads instead of trying to convince me i'm scum? you're clearly not attempting to determine my alignment at all with the bias-laden wording in your posts If it's incorrect then you should correct it. If you don't I'll assume its correct. I went through all the posts and wrote down my interpretation of them. I don't need to convince you that you're scum, I'm trying to convince everyone else. What bias? This is my interpretation of the events. I encourage everyone that don't believe me to go read for themselves and make up their own mind.
lol you're never lynching me off a faulty paraphrase, pup, and i don't feel the need to "correct" what is clearly visible just reading the posts
i asked you what other reads you had
an exercise! \o/ you treat me like you're reading me town and i'll treat you like i'm reading you town, even if i don't much believe it...this tunnel of yours is at best wrong and at worst scummy, so give me something else to read you off if you're actually town
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On July 08 2015 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 13:02 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I am confused as to why we lynched an easily confirmable role that had already claimed but I digress. I will share additional thoughts shortly. So whats the difference between wanderer and scum carrying kp, or a scum doing other stuff? Also we might not even have a tracker?
well the odds of a wanderer going somewhere that was KP'ed is incredibly slim in such a big game.
the question isn't whether we have the role or not, its the opportunity that we had the role.
Its just a very meh cop out lynch that could have been solved as the game went on. lynches are too valuable in large games like this where later in the game scum can actually swing and control them quite easily.
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On July 08 2015 13:27 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 13:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso is not mafia go do something else ruxxar. Why not?
Experience.
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On July 08 2015 13:28 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 13:22 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.
HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.
The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.
Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.
Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction? go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims i've answered all your leading questions already i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information? lol >< I read your interaction just fine. Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something. 1st interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia" RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure" HF: "I don't need your opinion RS" RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!". HF: "I don't need you go away". Mod: Interrupts. 2nd interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner" RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel" HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning) RS: "You were trying to shit on me!" HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information" RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else" (topic changed) 3rd interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why". RS: "HF, you can't read!" RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!" HF: "How is that not reading?" RS: "Trfel already explained it!" HF: "Explained it how?" RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?" HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?" RS: "You are stupid HF!" (Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed) It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view. Once again you're derailing. I'm not going away anytime soon. just because you paraphrase it this way doesn't make it correct ^^ why don't you talk to me about your other reads instead of trying to convince me i'm scum? you're clearly not attempting to determine my alignment at all with the bias-laden wording in your posts If it's incorrect then you should correct it. If you don't I'll assume its correct. I went through all the posts and wrote down my interpretation of them. I don't need to convince you that you're scum, I'm trying to convince everyone else. What bias? This is my interpretation of the events. I encourage everyone that don't believe me to go read for themselves and make up their own mind. lol you're never lynching me off a faulty paraphrase, pup, and i don't feel the need to "correct" what is clearly visible just reading the posts i asked you what other reads you had an exercise! \o/ you treat me like you're reading me town and i'll treat you like i'm reading you town, even if i don't much believe it...this tunnel of yours is at best wrong and at worst scummy, so give me something else to read you off if you're actually town
This is the incorrect response as town.
A town person would want to project town by proving that their actions benefits town.
Since you are unwilling to do that, i can only assume that you can't prove that you had town motives behind your actions.
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On July 08 2015 13:41 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 13:28 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 13:22 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.
HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.
The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.
Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.
Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction? go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims i've answered all your leading questions already i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information? lol >< I read your interaction just fine. Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something. 1st interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia" RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure" HF: "I don't need your opinion RS" RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!". HF: "I don't need you go away". Mod: Interrupts. 2nd interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner" RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel" HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning) RS: "You were trying to shit on me!" HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information" RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else" (topic changed) 3rd interaction: Starts hereRecap: HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why". RS: "HF, you can't read!" RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!" HF: "How is that not reading?" RS: "Trfel already explained it!" HF: "Explained it how?" RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?" HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?" RS: "You are stupid HF!" (Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed) It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view. Once again you're derailing. I'm not going away anytime soon. just because you paraphrase it this way doesn't make it correct ^^ why don't you talk to me about your other reads instead of trying to convince me i'm scum? you're clearly not attempting to determine my alignment at all with the bias-laden wording in your posts If it's incorrect then you should correct it. If you don't I'll assume its correct. I went through all the posts and wrote down my interpretation of them. I don't need to convince you that you're scum, I'm trying to convince everyone else. What bias? This is my interpretation of the events. I encourage everyone that don't believe me to go read for themselves and make up their own mind. lol you're never lynching me off a faulty paraphrase, pup, and i don't feel the need to "correct" what is clearly visible just reading the posts i asked you what other reads you had an exercise! \o/ you treat me like you're reading me town and i'll treat you like i'm reading you town, even if i don't much believe it...this tunnel of yours is at best wrong and at worst scummy, so give me something else to read you off if you're actually town This is the incorrect response as town. A town person would want to project town by proving that their actions benefits town. Since you are unwilling to do that, i can only assume that you can't prove that you had town motives behind your actions.
This argument is bad.
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On July 08 2015 13:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 13:27 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 13:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso is not mafia go do something else ruxxar. Why not? Experience.
Right.
Now go look at my case and tell me where I'm wrong.
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