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On July 08 2015 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 11:52 milo109 wrote:
This is operating under the assumption that MZ is mafia. I can explain that if others can't see what I see, but... to me it is pretty clear. So, what do mafia do if they know their buddy is about to get mislynched? They throw out any other reasonable alternative. In this case, BM. It obviously follows that some of the first to start the lynch on BM were scum partners. I chose those I thought were most scummy while also being the earliest to switch. I 100% think holyflare is mafia now, which I can also explain if others can't see it. This hinges on MZ being mafia. Can you make a case on MZ being mafia at this point in time? Otherwise you have nothing.
Er. Yes it does. Read the first two sentences please.
Okay. The case on MZ!
First, I think he was trying to buy town credit by not voting on BM. After all, all scum care about is self-preservation, right? He reallllly overplays it.
On July 08 2015 07:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
and milo whatever the fuck you claimed in order to get the heat off of you is worthless in my mind until you can prove it.
This is silly. It is impossible to prove a cop claim. Impossible to prove beyond any shred of doubt. Maybe if I get a red and we lynch him, I was only bussing, right? There is always a case to be made.
On July 08 2015 07:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 07:04 Holyflare wrote:
lol all of these fake reactions
i literally couldn't give a shit if he flipped town ^honesty looks a lot better than fake surprise/indignation now let's wait for all the people who weren't around at the deadline to come in and say how bad we were and how they knew BM was town.
Hey look at all the cuddles between the scum partners!
On July 08 2015 09:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 09:49 KelsierSC wrote:On July 08 2015 09:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 08 2015 09:43 KelsierSC wrote:On July 08 2015 09:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Ohh also the post here: On July 08 2015 02:58 Vivax wrote:
Would lynch Wave.
He didn't do jack all to push something. As town he should compose a certain threat level to scum players but i I were scum this game I would just assume he's a docile sheep that won't hurt me, simply cause he'd be on my team.
There's a bit of questioning there, a few townreads here, an angry vote on HF somewhere, but I totallly don't get a vibe of ambition to find the mafia from his posts. zero follow up after this and given how wave has been playing it smells like scum vivax throwing out a safe read onto a fellow red who is in no danger of being lynched (wave). But more on Wave later. <3 5ever mang but I haven't seen the sunshine and rainbows I was expecting in your filter  i would now be interested in your read on damdred tell me what you think I'm on page 123, he hasn't had any posts that gave me serious concern that I remember. Null town? I feel like he had a post where he shared some suspicions I had. do you have any thoughts on rsoul or LS sorry to keep distracing you I think rsoultin is probably town and I also think the RS/HF dispute is green on green. idk about LS, not really on my radar but probably worth a read through when I finish.
Fence/green reads on people who changed the wagon to BM.
On July 08 2015 09:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I finally got to Milo's claim and for the record I think it's complete bullshit
cc: the people who were asking me if I wanted to lynch a claimed cop earlier.
He doesn't believe either claims? What, do we have no cop at all? Are we going to believe a cop that outs day 2? Probably with a green check on a partner?
Also... inactive all game until he is about to be lynched. Explain it however you wish. Still weird.
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On July 08 2015 11:58 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 11:30 milo109 wrote:
It had to be people who led the train on BM. And I hated most of them already. 1. They didn't lead the lynch on BM 2. Why did you hate them already?
1. I looked through the voting thread and compared it with my notes.
2. Cause they all played scummy.
I didn't start the fire.
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On July 08 2015 11:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Even if you think there were people going out of their way to save MZ, why were they only scum for doing so and why can't they be town trying to save someone they think is town?
It's the same concept. The theory you're bringing up COULD hold water, but even if it did you'd be able to make cases on those players anyway without the associative reads involved.
I don't have time tonight. Trust in your power role.
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On July 08 2015 12:06 milo109 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 11:58 geript wrote:On July 08 2015 11:30 milo109 wrote:
It had to be people who led the train on BM. And I hated most of them already. 1. They didn't lead the lynch on BM 2. Why did you hate them already? 1. I looked through the voting thread and compared it with my notes. 2. Cause they all played scummy. I didn't start the fire.
How did they play scummy?
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1) Doesn't matter. He might not have thought BM was mafia. He still voted BM to save himself which is pretty much exactly what I would expect and "overplaying it" is irrelevant.
2) Your point on him doubting your claim doesn't mean a whole lot. People doubt claims. It's normal.
3) I don't see how what MZ said to HF means that he can only be interacting with a scum partner. I thought the same thing about Hf's post, so why am I not mafia for saying something similar?
4) There's no fence there. I don't really see the issue with this post. I thought the same thing about the Rso/HF fight.
5) Again, the fact that he doubts claims isn't weird.
The best aspect of your case is that he was inactive until he was about to be lynched. That's it. If he continues to fail to participate then he will be lynched for it, not because of the other points you brought up.
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As an aside, I don't think milo is mafia.
I just wanted to point that out in case someone asks me about it later.
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On July 08 2015 12:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 12:06 milo109 wrote:On July 08 2015 11:58 geript wrote:On July 08 2015 11:30 milo109 wrote:
It had to be people who led the train on BM. And I hated most of them already. 1. They didn't lead the lynch on BM 2. Why did you hate them already? 1. I looked through the voting thread and compared it with my notes. 2. Cause they all played scummy. I didn't start the fire. How did they play scummy?
It's an individual thing. As I said, I don't have time tonight to make full cases against all of them. Made a quick one against MZ. Holy has been MZ's buddy, and said some very odd things. I commented on some of them in an earlier post. LS... LS is the one I might be wrong on, but.... he plays so odd. SO odd. Scott has been making weird noises at everyone but not doing anything, quite different from our game together. The last two I dislike how they have been playing and how happy they were to jump on the new train. Damdred isn't usually this caustic.
Remember, the truth is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.
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Actually, now that I think about it, MZ wasn't inactive until he was about to be lynched. He was inactive, then he became slightly active at an awkward time, and THEN people tried to lynch him.
So it was, at its core, an inactive lynch: a fun lynch, but not always a productive one.
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On July 08 2015 12:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
1) Doesn't matter. He might not have thought BM was mafia. He still voted BM to save himself which is pretty much exactly what I would expect and "overplaying it" is irrelevant.
No it isn't. I did the -exact- same thing as mafia last game. It is an easy way to gain town credit.
2) Your point on him doubting your claim doesn't mean a whole lot. People doubt claims. It's normal.
No no. Doubting both claims is the weird thing. We do have cop(s).
3) I don't see how what MZ said to HF means that he can only be interacting with a scum partner. I thought the same thing about Hf's post, so why am I not mafia for saying something similar?
Because you didn't town read MZ before hand and as a response.
4) There's no fence there. I don't really see the issue with this post. I thought the same thing about the Rso/HF fight.
By itself, the quote is fine. But when used in context? MZ is picking the low-hanging fruit.
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I still think there are way too many possibilities in that case to consider it iron-clad.
It's not that I don't give credence to your theory - it's that I think there's a world where MZ is town and does those things.
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If your determination to shut your eyes will carry you as far as this, ObiWanShinobi, we have reached a parting of the ways. You must act as you see fit. And I -- I shall act as I see fit.
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If you waste your check on MZ I will jump through time and space to murder you.
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If you think I'm actually getting a check off at any point in this game....
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On July 08 2015 12:24 milo109 wrote:
If you think I'm actually getting a check off at any point in this game....
Still.
Just.
Don't use it on MZ.
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It's an objectively bad check.
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It tells us so much.. Jk. JK.
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On July 08 2015 11:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Even if you think there were people going out of their way to save MZ, why were they only scum for doing so and why can't they be town trying to save someone they think is town?
It's the same concept. The theory you're bringing up COULD hold water, but even if it did you'd be able to make cases on those players anyway without the associative reads involved.
^ this milo
like...i actually think it's a very good idea to know the alignments of all wagons to help get a clearer picture, but if your scumread just centers around you thinking the shenanigans were odd...eh
even if some of the voters were odd, that speaks more to their alignment
i don't know if you were following the recent game where hf was scum, but a couple of the scumteam switched off super suspiciously and the other wagon was town xP i got a ton of flak for not just jumping to a scumread on gb while scumreading the wagon jumpers
pre-flipped associations rarely end well, in other words
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MZ not getting lynched pretty much means hes mafia tbh.
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On July 08 2015 12:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
MZ not getting lynched pretty much means hes mafia tbh.
Shut up.
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eh if i were basing a read on mz completely on the circumstances surrounding the wagon i'm leaning slightly town. i see 3 possibilities:
1. MZ is town not wanting to lynch into inactive
2. MZ is scum making MAD PLAYZ for ultimate WIFOM presumably with his scummates to back up the wagon switch <- possible but town far outweigh scum right now so that's pretty ballsy, especially when he can just let the switch to confirmed town bm happen
3. MZ is scum and going for that no-lynch play by trying to divide the votes by starting a third lynch <- much more likely scum play if he is scum, but still a bit risky, and i don't see how it benefits scum to no-lynch over lynching a townie unless it's simply to deny info
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