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On June 18 2015 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? he wasn't necessarily obvious townie prior to the claim but any and all doubts should have been erased to people who understand the slightest thing when it comes to town/mafia motivation when he ended up claiming. He had 1 vote and was in no serious threat of being lynched and yet he blue claimed on day 1. What kind of scum move would that be? It literally makes 0 sense from a scum perspective, especially when we all know how bad LS's scum play is.
You say too dumb to be scum.
They say too anti-town to be town.
Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time.
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On June 18 2015 04:49 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? he wasn't necessarily obvious townie prior to the claim but any and all doubts should have been erased to people who understand the slightest thing when it comes to town/mafia motivation when he ended up claiming. He had 1 vote and was in no serious threat of being lynched and yet he blue claimed on day 1. What kind of scum move would that be? It literally makes 0 sense from a scum perspective, especially when we all know how bad LS's scum play is. You say too dumb to be scum. They say too anti-town to be town. Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time.
people say "too anti-town to be town" when they really mean "I think that play was stupid and you deserve to die for it"
That kind of mentality literally ignores all possible motivational reads because it doesn't involve motivation at all and is simply a surface-level misinterpretation of what is going on. Try to think through it from the perspective of LS being scum and it makes no sense at all for him to do that
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conspiracy theory, kelsier and lightning are both mafia together so he is legit mad
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On June 18 2015 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:49 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? he wasn't necessarily obvious townie prior to the claim but any and all doubts should have been erased to people who understand the slightest thing when it comes to town/mafia motivation when he ended up claiming. He had 1 vote and was in no serious threat of being lynched and yet he blue claimed on day 1. What kind of scum move would that be? It literally makes 0 sense from a scum perspective, especially when we all know how bad LS's scum play is. You say too dumb to be scum. They say too anti-town to be town. Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time. people say "too anti-town to be town" when they really mean "I think that play was stupid and you deserve to die for it" That kind of mentality literally ignores all possible motivational reads because it doesn't involve motivation at all and is simply a surface-level misinterpretation of what is going on. Try to think through it from the perspective of LS being scum and it makes no sense at all for him to do that
I can see scum LS panicking when a single vote is casted on him and claiming named VT because this role has no night power (easy to claim) and it's not a common role (low chances of counter claiming)
It doesn't make sense from a town perspective either.
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Alright bugs, could we lynch VA?
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and my read on him is not a "too dumb to be scum" thing which falls into the same category as what I described. It is dumb, but you need to ignore the fact that it is a dumb play. Dumb plays are normally not alignment indicative. It's the fact that the play attracts attention that is important. A claim day 1 attracts too much attention to ever be made by scum. Scum counter claim and make claims in situations where they absolutely have to in order to win. When they don't they've usually made a huge mistake and they often get punished really hard for it. If LS were scum here he'd know that a fake claim on day 1 would cause him to take a lot of attention and he'd never do that because his style is to slide by without actually doing anything or taking any attention.
To call him scum for a play that is quite literally antithetical to his playstyle is quite possibly dumber than the play he did himself.
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On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Alright bugs, could we lynch VA?
no, not right now. His last post here was enough for me to give him a slide:
While I think he is wrong on Kelsier he actually took some time to substantiate his counter point to me which I don't think scum would do that fast and on demand
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On June 18 2015 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:49 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? he wasn't necessarily obvious townie prior to the claim but any and all doubts should have been erased to people who understand the slightest thing when it comes to town/mafia motivation when he ended up claiming. He had 1 vote and was in no serious threat of being lynched and yet he blue claimed on day 1. What kind of scum move would that be? It literally makes 0 sense from a scum perspective, especially when we all know how bad LS's scum play is. You say too dumb to be scum. They say too anti-town to be town. Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time. people say "too anti-town to be town" when they really mean "I think that play was stupid and you deserve to die for it" That kind of mentality literally ignores all possible motivational reads because it doesn't involve motivation at all and is simply a surface-level misinterpretation of what is going on. Try to think through it from the perspective of LS being scum and it makes no sense at all for him to do that
This is coming from a brain of someone who claimed jk or rb on day 1 with 2 votes on him; so the fact that you seem to think you have some level of comprehension of his thought process astounds me. Also, you're way too dismissive of other people's arguments; I can see why people fight with you.
But let me place you in a stupid scenario where he can be mafia: LS's brain: "Oh hey, you know what would be trixxy? I claim blue day 1 a bunch so it is kinda in my meta now. Oh hey look there is named VT in this game, man maybe I should wifom bomb and ride my meta by fake claiming a blue day 1; they'll totally write it off as me being dumb again"
Wow look, I imagined a scenario where he could be mafia! Do I think it is likely the case? No he is probably town. Do I want to lynch him for his play? Yeah, kinda.
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On June 18 2015 04:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
and my read on him is not a "too dumb to be scum" thing which falls into the same category as what I described. It is dumb, but you need to ignore the fact that it is a dumb play. Dumb plays are normally not alignment indicative. It's the fact that the play attracts attention that is important. A claim day 1 attracts too much attention to ever be made by scum. Scum counter claim and make claims in situations where they absolutely have to in order to win. When they don't they've usually made a huge mistake and they often get punished really hard for it. If LS were scum here he'd know that a fake claim on day 1 would cause him to take a lot of attention and he'd never do that because his style is to slide by without actually doing anything or taking any attention.
To call him scum for a play that is quite literally antithetical to his playstyle is quite possibly dumber than the play he did himself.
What if I say that claiming a blue role with little pressure is his scum meta?
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On June 18 2015 04:56 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:49 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? he wasn't necessarily obvious townie prior to the claim but any and all doubts should have been erased to people who understand the slightest thing when it comes to town/mafia motivation when he ended up claiming. He had 1 vote and was in no serious threat of being lynched and yet he blue claimed on day 1. What kind of scum move would that be? It literally makes 0 sense from a scum perspective, especially when we all know how bad LS's scum play is. You say too dumb to be scum. They say too anti-town to be town. Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time. people say "too anti-town to be town" when they really mean "I think that play was stupid and you deserve to die for it" That kind of mentality literally ignores all possible motivational reads because it doesn't involve motivation at all and is simply a surface-level misinterpretation of what is going on. Try to think through it from the perspective of LS being scum and it makes no sense at all for him to do that This is coming from a brain of someone who claimed jk or rb on day 1 with 2 votes on him; so the fact that you seem to think you have some level of comprehension of his thought process astounds me. Also, you're way too dismissive of other people's arguments; I can see why people fight with you. But let me place you in a stupid scenario where he can be mafia: LS's brain: "Oh hey, you know what would be trixxy? I claim blue day 1 a bunch so it is kinda in my meta now. Oh hey look there is named VT in this game, man maybe I should wifom bomb and ride my meta by fake claiming a blue day 1; they'll totally write it off as me being dumb again" Wow look, I imagined a scenario where he could be mafia! Do I think it is likely the case? No he is probably town. Do I want to lynch him for his play? Yeah, kinda.
don't tell me what I do and do not know. The simple fact is that if I actually believed LS were scum right now I'd be tunneling the shit out of him, and he'd most probably flip red. I read enough of his games and I saw his play in the previous game and it is enough for me to be confident on this read. If he's done it before then that's literally another point in his favour. As scum to understand that such a play would attract attention and then do it anyway is so ballsy that I don't think even the best scum would even consider it.
The latter half of your post is just fitting a whimsical scenario to this read that LS is scum. You don't come to a conclusion first and then attempt to explain it later, that's not how scumhunting works. That's basically the definition of confirmation bias.
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On June 18 2015 04:56 wherebugsgo wrote:no, not right now. His last post here was enough for me to give him a slide: While I think he is wrong on Kelsier he actually took some time to substantiate his counter point to me which I don't think scum would do that fast and on demand
He linked an old game filter, in which VA was playing, I think, and that's Kelsier's first game.
This is very easy to do as scum.
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On June 18 2015 04:57 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
and my read on him is not a "too dumb to be scum" thing which falls into the same category as what I described. It is dumb, but you need to ignore the fact that it is a dumb play. Dumb plays are normally not alignment indicative. It's the fact that the play attracts attention that is important. A claim day 1 attracts too much attention to ever be made by scum. Scum counter claim and make claims in situations where they absolutely have to in order to win. When they don't they've usually made a huge mistake and they often get punished really hard for it. If LS were scum here he'd know that a fake claim on day 1 would cause him to take a lot of attention and he'd never do that because his style is to slide by without actually doing anything or taking any attention.
To call him scum for a play that is quite literally antithetical to his playstyle is quite possibly dumber than the play he did himself. What if I say that claiming a blue role with little pressure is his scum meta?
If you're saying that you are truly terrible as town. He didn't do that last game and I didn't see him do that in the games that I read. If he has done it as scum before then it's probably complete coincidence, because the claim itself is not alignment indicative.
I don't know how many different ways I can say this but surface-level things are not indicators of anything. Stop using them in shitty ways to confirm your own biases.
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On June 18 2015 05:00 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Alright bugs, could we lynch VA? no, not right now. His last post here was enough for me to give him a slide: While I think he is wrong on Kelsier he actually took some time to substantiate his counter point to me which I don't think scum would do that fast and on demand He linked an old game filter, in which VA was playing, I think, and that's Kelsier's first game. This is very easy to do as scum.
what exactly is your reasoning for wanting to lynch me
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On June 18 2015 05:00 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Alright bugs, could we lynch VA? no, not right now. His last post here was enough for me to give him a slide: While I think he is wrong on Kelsier he actually took some time to substantiate his counter point to me which I don't think scum would do that fast and on demand He linked an old game filter, in which VA was playing, I think, and that's Kelsier's first game. This is very easy to do as scum.
yeah, that's a good point, and it's partly the reason I don't really agree with him. And you're right in that he didn't actually give me any specificity, just a link to a filter. I don't feel strongly about VA tbh.
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let's all just bypass this whole discussion and lynch the real mafia, boxerfred!
thanks
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like the only people to comment on boxerfreds posts are nydus and rsoultin, shame on all of you
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On June 18 2015 05:04 Holyflare wrote:
like the only people to comment on boxerfreds posts are nydus and rsoultin, shame on all of you
I was frying my own mafia
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On June 18 2015 05:05 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 05:04 Holyflare wrote:
like the only people to comment on boxerfreds posts are nydus and rsoultin, shame on all of you I was frying my own mafia
who turned out to be very likely town :D
either way, chop chop!
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On June 18 2015 05:06 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 05:05 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 05:04 Holyflare wrote:
like the only people to comment on boxerfreds posts are nydus and rsoultin, shame on all of you I was frying my own mafia who turned out to be very likely town :D either way, chop chop!
he isn't town
we can lynch shockey aswell.
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