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On June 25 2015 03:35 ruXxar wrote:I have a hard time reading damdred. I just played a game with him where he was lurking hardcore, so I won't judge him based on his activity. I'll respond to your points about damdred: - Early town reads:+ Show Spoiler +I really don't know where he gets this from.
There's no reasoning, so I'll have to assume it's all based on meta.
Maybe damdred knows people well enough to make that call, I don't know.
I've heard that judging people from their first posts is actually not as inaccurate as you may think, but I have a hard time believing that.
I'll have to assume that his list is very inaccurate. I saw damdred do this as town in his last game, and he was right.
However I was very suspicious of him doing so and I still think it's a crapshoot.
I generally dislike people calling others 100% town and defending them.
Let people defend themselves so that you can actually extract information from them.
If you put yourself in the line of fire then you make it seem like you have ulterior motives.
This is not a point in his favor He does seem a little wishy washy, and doesn't justify most of his call outs. I'm also not sure how he went from this: To this: Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 06:13 Damdred wrote:
ok GB and Mig are off the table today
Get on yamato. In just 2 pages. I really wish he would qualify his reads more.
By the way, that flip on Damdred's read is because I claimed a green check on mig
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On June 25 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 03:35 ruXxar wrote:I have a hard time reading damdred. I just played a game with him where he was lurking hardcore, so I won't judge him based on his activity. I'll respond to your points about damdred: - Early town reads:+ Show Spoiler +I really don't know where he gets this from.
There's no reasoning, so I'll have to assume it's all based on meta.
Maybe damdred knows people well enough to make that call, I don't know.
I've heard that judging people from their first posts is actually not as inaccurate as you may think, but I have a hard time believing that.
I'll have to assume that his list is very inaccurate. I saw damdred do this as town in his last game, and he was right.
However I was very suspicious of him doing so and I still think it's a crapshoot.
I generally dislike people calling others 100% town and defending them.
Let people defend themselves so that you can actually extract information from them.
If you put yourself in the line of fire then you make it seem like you have ulterior motives.
This is not a point in his favor He does seem a little wishy washy, and doesn't justify most of his call outs. I'm also not sure how he went from this: On June 22 2015 05:40 Damdred wrote:
Mig is mafia and we should lynch Mig To this: On June 22 2015 06:13 Damdred wrote:
ok GB and Mig are off the table today
Get on yamato. In just 2 pages. I really wish he would qualify his reads more. By the way, that flip on Damdred's read is because I claimed a green check on mig
and what about the flip on shockey that shockey pointed out? completely unexplained
i also really dislike how you aren't talking about anything when you return, if you're being lazy then it's better that you just don't post
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On June 25 2015 03:36 GlowingBear wrote:
We are lynching Holyflare
Then we are lynching Mig
Too late to switch targets. Doing shenanigans here is absolutely dangerous. Lynch HF first, then lynch Mig
Did you read my post about you?
If you are what you say you are, then explain to me why you want to lynch HF first.
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I am only here for like 20 min then gotta go to a tourney.
So we know we have a jk/vanisher right (kp stopped n1)If they protected gb last night, no way he could have gotten a check off. So gbs story is 1) didnt claim day1 when the lynch was insanely close in the hopes that people who he thinks are mafia (me) would randomly switch to boxer. 2) then after claiming day2 mafia proceed to not shoot or rb him and 3) the jk apparently must not have protected the claimed dt either.
All of these things have to be true for gb to actually be dt. Doesn't it seem more likely that gb fake claimed dt day 2 when he looked fucked and now is fake claiming a red check to get one of the 2 mislynches needed?
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Ok look.
Considering I'm town, scenarios:
1) Mig is Mafia and he is not GF/Framed. There is a Roleblocker in the team
Mafia sees a green check on an impossible green check. It means town is fake claiming and that guy is obviously not cop. If he lives one more day he will be an easy lynch because he won't be able to sustain that fake claim for long, or he is so stupid that he will keep our Mafia partner mig alive because of it. Let him live. Fish for the protective role and roleblock him.
2) Mig is Mafia and he is GF/Framed. There is a roleblocker on the team
Mafia sees a correct green check. Mafia roleblocks the guy so they can WIFOM day3 and try to kill possible protective roles. Or the opposite. Kill the cop and try to roleblock the protective role.
3) A variation of (1) = no roleblocker on the team
Claimer is fake claiming, shoot possible protective roles, mislynch fake claimer on day3
4) A variation of (2) = no roleblocker on the team
Cop claim is believable. He could have correct checks at night unless we frame the specific player this guy will be checking (difficult, because he checked mig and he had no intention of doing it). Kill him.
But if we kill him, we risk having him jail kept.
Oh god we are facing a huge problem. We could kill Fidei. We could kill Rsoultin. We could kill GB. Since they are all Claimers, shooting them is dangerous. Let's avoid it and shoot EVERYONE ELSE
The only possibilities where the roleblocker got roleblocked is in (1) and (2). That is, if the protective role REALLY was so accurate or so wrong that he roleblocked the most townie people in the game and they are Mafia. For example, 3 people claimed. I obviously wasn't roleblocked, so no protective roles on me. Rsoultin and Fidei claimed, and if protective role roleblocked the roleblocker, it means Rsoultin/Fidei are Mafia.
So Holyflare, for you to believe the roleblocker got roleblocked, you have to believe both Fidei and Rsoultin are Mafia.
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On June 25 2015 03:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:On June 25 2015 03:35 ruXxar wrote:I have a hard time reading damdred. I just played a game with him where he was lurking hardcore, so I won't judge him based on his activity. I'll respond to your points about damdred: - Early town reads:+ Show Spoiler +I really don't know where he gets this from.
There's no reasoning, so I'll have to assume it's all based on meta.
Maybe damdred knows people well enough to make that call, I don't know.
I've heard that judging people from their first posts is actually not as inaccurate as you may think, but I have a hard time believing that.
I'll have to assume that his list is very inaccurate. I saw damdred do this as town in his last game, and he was right.
However I was very suspicious of him doing so and I still think it's a crapshoot.
I generally dislike people calling others 100% town and defending them.
Let people defend themselves so that you can actually extract information from them.
If you put yourself in the line of fire then you make it seem like you have ulterior motives.
This is not a point in his favor He does seem a little wishy washy, and doesn't justify most of his call outs. I'm also not sure how he went from this: On June 22 2015 05:40 Damdred wrote:
Mig is mafia and we should lynch Mig To this: On June 22 2015 06:13 Damdred wrote:
ok GB and Mig are off the table today
Get on yamato. In just 2 pages. I really wish he would qualify his reads more. By the way, that flip on Damdred's read is because I claimed a green check on mig and what about the flip on shockey that shockey pointed out? completely unexplained i also really dislike how you aren't talking about anything when you return, if you're being lazy then it's better that you just don't post
I'm sorry I'm correcting the guy's wrong read on Damdred?
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Rsoul, were you still able to mason yesterday? You seem like the only other possible target for the JKer. If you were able to then wouldnt that mean the JKer protected gb? How did he get this check off?
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On June 25 2015 04:01 Mig wrote:
I am only here for like 20 min then gotta go to a tourney.
So we know we have a jk/vanisher right (kp stopped n1)If they protected gb last night, no way he could have gotten a check off. So gbs story is 1) didnt claim day1 when the lynch was insanely close in the hopes that people who he thinks are mafia (me) would randomly switch to boxer. 2) then after claiming day2 mafia proceed to not shoot or rb him and 3) the jk apparently must not have protected the claimed dt either.
All of these things have to be true for gb to actually be dt. Doesn't it seem more likely that gb fake claimed dt day 2 when he looked fucked and now is fake claiming a red check to get one of the 2 mislynches needed?
No, because if I mislynch, I'm dead day4, so IT would be way easier for me, for example, to claim bring roleblocked or to claim having Breshke green checked
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1) Mig is Mafia and he is not GF/Framed. There is a Roleblocker in the team
Mafia sees a green check on an impossible green check. It means town is fake claiming and that guy is obviously not cop. If he lives one more day he will be an easy lynch because he won't be able to sustain that fake claim for long, or he is so stupid that he will keep our Mafia partner mig alive because of it. Let him live. Fish for the protective role and roleblock him.
you seem to be going by this situation but then never take into account that he kills were almost certainly medic dodges
medic dodges while fishing for a medic with a rb in a game where there's no notifications?
really gb that's your story?
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On June 25 2015 04:06 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 04:01 Mig wrote:
I am only here for like 20 min then gotta go to a tourney.
So we know we have a jk/vanisher right (kp stopped n1)If they protected gb last night, no way he could have gotten a check off. So gbs story is 1) didnt claim day1 when the lynch was insanely close in the hopes that people who he thinks are mafia (me) would randomly switch to boxer. 2) then after claiming day2 mafia proceed to not shoot or rb him and 3) the jk apparently must not have protected the claimed dt either.
All of these things have to be true for gb to actually be dt. Doesn't it seem more likely that gb fake claimed dt day 2 when he looked fucked and now is fake claiming a red check to get one of the 2 mislynches needed? No, because if I mislynch, I'm dead day4, so IT would be way easier for me, for example, to claim bring roleblocked or to claim having Breshke green checked
not if you have a role clop and know i'm miller 
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and situation 4 is entirely possible if they were thinking "oh medic might wifom the kill and protect the blue roles too, let's kill unlynchable people"
PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT WIFOM SCENARIOS ANYWAY TY
On June 25 2015 03:08 Holyflare wrote:
SO.
Rather than looking at all the millions of possibilities that rely on complete wifom and sillyness, why don't we evaluate people's actual play in the game?
talk to me about damdred, did you read my post?
If you can come up with 4 scenarios and 2 of them include him being town then you fucking suck and shouldn't pick into wifom
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Ruxxar, lynching Holyflare will reveal my alignment to town. Lynching mig won't
Also, I just realised there is a small possibility that Mafia really didn't care for me checking people. It's small, but it exists and I don't want to disclose this
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On June 25 2015 04:06 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +1) Mig is Mafia and he is not GF/Framed. There is a Roleblocker in the team
Mafia sees a green check on an impossible green check. It means town is fake claiming and that guy is obviously not cop. If he lives one more day he will be an easy lynch because he won't be able to sustain that fake claim for long, or he is so stupid that he will keep our Mafia partner mig alive because of it. Let him live. Fish for the protective role and roleblock him.
you seem to be going by this situation but then never take into account that he kills were almost certainly medic dodges medic dodges while fishing for a medic with a rb in a game where there's no notifications? really gb that's your story?
Hmm yeah, you're right with this... Let me think...
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On June 25 2015 04:06 GlowingBear wrote:
No, because if I mislynch, I'm dead day4, so IT would be way easier for me, for example, to claim bring roleblocked or to claim having Breshke green checked
If you are a dt you could have very easily died day1 but chose to take a risk and not claim. Clearly you don't mind gambling, maybe you know hf is miller, maybe you think you can talk your way out it by saying there was a framer etc.
Mafia only needs 2 mislynches to win and you could be trying to mislynching one of the last strong townies. Seems worth it to me. You would have to explain why you are still alive eventually anyway might as well just go for it.
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On June 25 2015 04:09 Holyflare wrote:and situation 4 is entirely possible if they were thinking "oh medic might wifom the kill and protect the blue roles too, let's kill unlynchable people" PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT WIFOM SCENARIOS ANYWAY TY Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 03:08 Holyflare wrote:
SO.
Rather than looking at all the millions of possibilities that rely on complete wifom and sillyness, why don't we evaluate people's actual play in the game?
talk to me about damdred, did you read my post? If you can come up with 4 scenarios and 2 of them include him being town then you fucking suck and shouldn't pick into wifom
He was Mafia in all of those scenarios? Wtf HF...
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If rsoul couldnt mason last night the medic stuff is moot, would like to hear from her.
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On June 25 2015 04:13 Mig wrote:
If rsoul couldnt mason last night the medic stuff is moot, would like to hear from her.
it's an all game mason
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The simple fact is that I am shitting town rainbows and rather than talk about the other 3 mafia members (from gb's perspective) he'd rather talk about wifom actions and what happened at night before he even knows what's going on even though he was told repeatedly it was just wifom and people should stop. It feels really forced that he continues to say that I should be lynched while he knows that there are so many alternatives that could make his check wrong and from the evidence it is wrong.
On June 25 2015 03:06 Holyflare wrote:
man i don't want to go through all of these scenario's it's so much effort??? there's many possibilities for mig so i dunno how you arrive at just 2, he could be mafia and mafia thought gb fake claiming, he could be town and mafia thought gb got lucky since gb didn't claim d1, he could be town and they don't have a rber, he could be mafia and they don't have a rber and wanted to medic dodge, he could be town and mafia wanted to medic dodge
stop it gb
talk about other people
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Why, it is a blue power role. Wouldn't a jk stop that. Either way jk would have most likely protected the claimed dt.
Gb you seem more confident that I am scum than holy, but you want to lynch him just because it says more about your alignment? That's it?
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On June 25 2015 04:17 Mig wrote:
Why, it is a blue power role. Wouldn't a jk stop that. Either way jk would have most likely protected the claimed dt.
Gb you seem more confident that I am scum than holy, but you want to lynch him just because it says more about your alignment? That's it?
ding ding ding
biggest reason i think i've been role copped
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